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bobcatsquared
9/23/2018 6:03 PM
Nothing (or very little) has been said about the lack of discipline showed by Ohio yesterday. I don't care that the other team had even less discipline and a boatload of penalty yards. Ohio continued to shoot itself in the foot with certain penalties that I blame on self-discipline.

Two examples: on one of UC's 4th-quarter touchdown drives, UC had a wide open receiver fall down on the wet turf and the pass fell incomplete on 3rd and long, apparently forcing a punt if not for a personal foul on the defense. The drive stays alive and UC ends up with 7. Later, on UC's go-ahead TD, the Bearcats RB was called for unsportsmanlike conduct which would have meant they would have to kick off from their own 20. However, a personal foul on Ohio off set that penalty.

There were other examples, but these two stand out.
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bshot44
9/23/2018 6:06 PM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
You just don’t need to cry about it like a spoiled child. Stop expecting them to win every game they play and then acting like it’s a personal insult aimed at you if they don’t. I’ve never experienced as many grown men whining and mailto:mailto:b/$&@ing like I have on this site.
Please re-read this and tell me who's crying like a spoiled child.

You throw around more personal insults on this message board than most.

Are you the grown man we're supposed to aspire to be?

Healthy debate and discussion is good ... especially when there are differing opinions.

But I'll let you get back to your high horse.

I'll just sit here in the corner and cry.

If you can't stand the way we "bitch & moan" why engage?

I certainly do NOT expect them to win every game. Never have I ... nor have I ever said this. But again, you turn people's comments into whatever fits your narrative.

Sorry I'm disappointed in watching Ohio blow a 21-0 lead in what would've been one of the better wins of the Solich era ... and a possible springboard to turning the narrative of this season around.

Instead, it was a crushing loss that left players questioning coaching decisions and leaves many wondering how they'll respond next week vs UMass. Could be a pretty important loss depending on how they bounce back. These type of losses can be season killers.

Ohio doesn't really have a good track record bouncing back from these (i.e. Akron last year ... Miami in 2012 ... Buffalo 2013 ... WMU 2015)
Last Edited: 9/23/2018 6:15:09 PM by bshot44
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bshot44
9/23/2018 6:21 PM
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I don't get it. I really don't. People are calling for Albin's head after this loss? The offense put up a respectable 414 yards, and 30 points against a very good defense, by far the most they have given up this year. Meanwhile the defense played for 20 minutes, and then reverted to giving up yards and points by the boatload. In the last 40 minutes of the game, they gave up 418 yards, and 34 points. If they had they played the first 20 minutes the same way they played the last 40, UC would have had 51 points and 627 yards, right at Ohio's average for the year.

This one is on the defense, or lack thereof, as far as I'm concerned. The defense was also to blame for the loss to UVA, and the near loss to Howard. Let's be brutally honest. Ohio has a good, but not great, offense, but one that is improving. On the other hand, Ohio has one of the worst defenses in all of college football. Someone needs to be fired! I know! Let's fire, um, the offensive coordinator?
Agree. Defense is abysmal.

As far as Albin ... he ain't going anywhere. We are who we are offensively. You said it perfect. Good, not great.

Sadly they might have to be great to offset defense. Unfortunately, Albin will hold them back. His decision making & playcalling is suspect at best. But Frank will NOT part ways with him. Never happening.
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bobcat695
9/23/2018 6:56 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I don't get it. I really don't. People are calling for Albin's head after this loss? The offense put up a respectable 414 yards, and 30 points against a very good defense, by far the most they have given up this year. Meanwhile the defense played for 20 minutes, and then reverted to giving up yards and points by the boatload. In the last 40 minutes of the game, they gave up 418 yards, and 34 points. If they had they played the first 20 minutes the same way they played the last 40, UC would have had 51 points and 627 yards, right at Ohio's average for the year.

This one is on the defense, or lack thereof, as far as I'm concerned. The defense was also to blame for the loss to UVA, and the near loss to Howard. Let's be brutally honest. Ohio has a good, but not great, offense, but one that is improving. On the other hand, Ohio has one of the worst defenses in all of college football. Someone needs to be fired! I know! Let's fire, um, the offensive coordinator?
The problem with Albin is that we had 414 instead of 415. When they have to get one yard to win a game, they cannot get it. The last three plays are an indictment of the staff. Not strong enough, not tough enough, not disciplined enough. Should've been 4 straight QB sneaks off the strongest guard. Albin continues to make the wrong call. I don't care if Ohio has 800 yards of offense if they can't get the yards that matter.
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Maddog13
9/23/2018 7:13 PM
God, I love the passion on this board. If only we could strap some helmets on some of you and send each of you out on the gridiron to play. That said, I think the criticism regarding play calling and all is justified; however, I still think that it comes down to the fact that the kids that Ohio is able to recruit are not recruited by the big boys not because they don't have the talent to compete with the best of the best on any given Saturday, but because they are simply too inconsistent. Is it possible that Solich and company are actually limited to working with what they have and that this often mandates the way they call plays? Did some of you see how physically carved some of the Cincinnati defense was. I too would have tried to push the line of scrimmage on that last series of plays with one quarterback sneak after another, but, perhaps, the coaches knew that we just didn't have the strength to compete with Cincinnati in the trenches. Even Luke Fickle, who was a pretty well known defensive coordinator before he became a head coach, looked pretty carved on the sidelines. Cincinnati is undefeated, was a favorite to win the game, and made their own share of boneheaded mistakes. It hurts to lose a game that was within our grasp, but I believe that the best team was actually the one that came away with a victory on Saturday. Hats off to our kids for leaving it all out there on the field on Saturday and sacrificing their bodies for our mutual enjoyment. It is tempting to want to let the Lions in to finish them all off, but we are civilized society after all.
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BillyTheCat
9/23/2018 10:33 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
For a lot of us the success of the last 14 years has raised the expectations for the program. We can appreciate no longer being the doormat of the MAC and being considered a "team to beat" every year. But comparisons to the situations of the present coaching staff and their predecessors are a bit unfair. The present staff has been able to get almost everything they want in facilities, etc. That probably can't be said of Knorr, Grobe, Lichtenberg, Bryant, and the rest. The new facilities are supposed to make Ohio more competitive in recruiting and preparation. Solich long ago said that there aren't any moral victories at Ohio anymore. The standard is actual wins and losses.

Part of what's been holding Ohio back this season is the plain vanilla play calling we've had. Opponents are expecting a run UTM -- especially on first and second down -- and are loading up the box. We recognize it as fans; the TV announcers have recognized it; but apparently the Ohio play callers haven't. They keep going to it and winding up with 2nd and long or 3rd and long on almost every series. The result is 1-2, and could've been 0-3. This has to change.
We are about a 57% run v pass team, we have a QB situation where he completes roughly 52% of his career passes (which is very low by today’s standards) and has proven to be turnover prone), your creativity is often times only limited by your talent level. We have limitations on what we can do and we do a good job playing to our strengths.

On the year Rourke is hitting 45% of his passes, that’s not good! And that is a severe limitation to “being creative”.
There are lots of ways to be creative, including motion, misdirection, and different formations. We have basically the same formation, with little or no movement. The defense gets a really good look at what we're doing. Yesterday, about the only movement involved putting the RB out wide, then having him come back next to the QB about 10 seconds before the ball was snapped. And the RBs nearly always run UTM. Same ol, same ol.
You do realize against some defensive sets motion is totally meaningless? The game is all about numbers and angles and using motion has a time and place against some but against many schemes it’s totally worthless.
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BillyTheCat
9/23/2018 10:34 PM
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I just laugh at the comments about "well, we sucked in the 80s & 90s ... so we should be excited about Ohio football now"

No s**t Ohio sucked a** for a loooong time. Anybody knows that.

And yes ... Ohio football being relevant now is great. Anybody knows that.

But when are folks "allowed" to expect or want more? Do we have to wait until 2030s?

How many 7-5 & 8-4 seasons that can be predicted years in advance ... the same stale outcomes of losing games they should win before we hold anyone accountable?

Season tickets are in the trash. I cancelled mine too. Three Saturday home games?!?!?! WTF?!?! And against Howard, UMass & BG. C'mon!

The product is stale. It's been nearly 15 years of the same thing.

And when Ohio is poised, on paper, to have a big year ... they flop to open the season.

This team should probably be 2-1 right now.

That 2H performance was pretty bleak. All they needed was one TD to lock that game up. Instead they get beat 27-6 in 2H. Bad play calling (as usual) and some costly mistakes (Rourke INT obviously ... but Papi fumble was MASSIVE & totally shifted momentum)

Ohio football is as boring as a Solich Friday night in April right now. Zero buzz.

It's the same thing every year.

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Frank for resurrecting this pile of garbage. But c'mon ... can we have at least one breakout season that doesn't involve either a heartbreaking loss or head scratching loss?

We might very well go 9-0 to finish regular season. Talent is there vs subpar MAC.

But from what you've seen do you really think this coaching staff has it in them to

Win at NIU
Win at WMU
Win at Miami
Beat UB & Akron in Athens

Do you? Based in what we've already seen and historical trends of this program the last 14 years?

I don't. Sorry. That's just where I'm at.

Yesterday was a BLAST! Tons of fun. But I looked at buddies I was with ... up 24-7 at halftime and said "if I offered you UC -18 in the 2H ... you know you'd take it" .... and they all sadly nodded.

It's the sad reality of this program. We expect to blow these kind of games. Just like they did at Akron & UB last year. Just like MAC title game vs NIU. Just like they did at Miami in 2012 (where Tettleton didn't throw an INT like someone said ... he took a TERRIBLE sack)

A friend of mine said Ohio is a "good ham sandwich" and we should be fine with that. I asked why can't we just have one good turkey sandwich ... just once? I'm not asking for a deluxe hoagie with all the toppings. Just one decent turkey sandwich instead of the same old ham sandwich every year.

You just don’t need to cry about it like a spoiled child. Stop expecting them to win every game they play and then acting like it’s a personal insult aimed at you if they don’t. I’ve never experienced as many grown men whining and mailto:b/$&@ing like I have on this site.
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Pataskala
9/23/2018 10:44 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
For a lot of us the success of the last 14 years has raised the expectations for the program. We can appreciate no longer being the doormat of the MAC and being considered a "team to beat" every year. But comparisons to the situations of the present coaching staff and their predecessors are a bit unfair. The present staff has been able to get almost everything they want in facilities, etc. That probably can't be said of Knorr, Grobe, Lichtenberg, Bryant, and the rest. The new facilities are supposed to make Ohio more competitive in recruiting and preparation. Solich long ago said that there aren't any moral victories at Ohio anymore. The standard is actual wins and losses.

Part of what's been holding Ohio back this season is the plain vanilla play calling we've had. Opponents are expecting a run UTM -- especially on first and second down -- and are loading up the box. We recognize it as fans; the TV announcers have recognized it; but apparently the Ohio play callers haven't. They keep going to it and winding up with 2nd and long or 3rd and long on almost every series. The result is 1-2, and could've been 0-3. This has to change.
We are about a 57% run v pass team, we have a QB situation where he completes roughly 52% of his career passes (which is very low by today’s standards) and has proven to be turnover prone), your creativity is often times only limited by your talent level. We have limitations on what we can do and we do a good job playing to our strengths.

On the year Rourke is hitting 45% of his passes, that’s not good! And that is a severe limitation to “being creative”.
There are lots of ways to be creative, including motion, misdirection, and different formations. We have basically the same formation, with little or no movement. The defense gets a really good look at what we're doing. Yesterday, about the only movement involved putting the RB out wide, then having him come back next to the QB about 10 seconds before the ball was snapped. And the RBs nearly always run UTM. Same ol, same ol.
You do realize against some defensive sets motion is totally meaningless? The game is all about numbers and angles and using motion has a time and place against some but against many schemes it’s totally worthless.
But to not use it at all is foolish.
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BillyTheCat
9/23/2018 10:50 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
For a lot of us the success of the last 14 years has raised the expectations for the program. We can appreciate no longer being the doormat of the MAC and being considered a "team to beat" every year. But comparisons to the situations of the present coaching staff and their predecessors are a bit unfair. The present staff has been able to get almost everything they want in facilities, etc. That probably can't be said of Knorr, Grobe, Lichtenberg, Bryant, and the rest. The new facilities are supposed to make Ohio more competitive in recruiting and preparation. Solich long ago said that there aren't any moral victories at Ohio anymore. The standard is actual wins and losses.

Part of what's been holding Ohio back this season is the plain vanilla play calling we've had. Opponents are expecting a run UTM -- especially on first and second down -- and are loading up the box. We recognize it as fans; the TV announcers have recognized it; but apparently the Ohio play callers haven't. They keep going to it and winding up with 2nd and long or 3rd and long on almost every series. The result is 1-2, and could've been 0-3. This has to change.
We are about a 57% run v pass team, we have a QB situation where he completes roughly 52% of his career passes (which is very low by today’s standards) and has proven to be turnover prone), your creativity is often times only limited by your talent level. We have limitations on what we can do and we do a good job playing to our strengths.

On the year Rourke is hitting 45% of his passes, that’s not good! And that is a severe limitation to “being creative”.
There are lots of ways to be creative, including motion, misdirection, and different formations. We have basically the same formation, with little or no movement. The defense gets a really good look at what we're doing. Yesterday, about the only movement involved putting the RB out wide, then having him come back next to the QB about 10 seconds before the ball was snapped. And the RBs nearly always run UTM. Same ol, same ol.
You do realize against some defensive sets motion is totally meaningless? The game is all about numbers and angles and using motion has a time and place against some but against many schemes it’s totally worthless.
But to not use it at all is foolish.
No, not really, to use it when it has no effect is foolish. If motion gives you a distinct numerical or tactical advantage you use it. If you can make them chase motion or hard corner the secondary then I motion can be useful. Frankly motion is overrated against many defenses, as it tips many plays, and actually limits an offense unless you are getting an advantage. We’ve used motion and will use motion again when it meets a tactical advantage.
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bshot44
9/23/2018 11:17 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I just laugh at the comments about "well, we sucked in the 80s & 90s ... so we should be excited about Ohio football now"

No s**t Ohio sucked a** for a loooong time. Anybody knows that.

And yes ... Ohio football being relevant now is great. Anybody knows that.

But when are folks "allowed" to expect or want more? Do we have to wait until 2030s?

How many 7-5 & 8-4 seasons that can be predicted years in advance ... the same stale outcomes of losing games they should win before we hold anyone accountable?

Season tickets are in the trash. I cancelled mine too. Three Saturday home games?!?!?! WTF?!?! And against Howard, UMass & BG. C'mon!

The product is stale. It's been nearly 15 years of the same thing.

And when Ohio is poised, on paper, to have a big year ... they flop to open the season.

This team should probably be 2-1 right now.

That 2H performance was pretty bleak. All they needed was one TD to lock that game up. Instead they get beat 27-6 in 2H. Bad play calling (as usual) and some costly mistakes (Rourke INT obviously ... but Papi fumble was MASSIVE & totally shifted momentum)

Ohio football is as boring as a Solich Friday night in April right now. Zero buzz.

It's the same thing every year.

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Frank for resurrecting this pile of garbage. But c'mon ... can we have at least one breakout season that doesn't involve either a heartbreaking loss or head scratching loss?

We might very well go 9-0 to finish regular season. Talent is there vs subpar MAC.

But from what you've seen do you really think this coaching staff has it in them to

Win at NIU
Win at WMU
Win at Miami
Beat UB & Akron in Athens

Do you? Based in what we've already seen and historical trends of this program the last 14 years?

I don't. Sorry. That's just where I'm at.

Yesterday was a BLAST! Tons of fun. But I looked at buddies I was with ... up 24-7 at halftime and said "if I offered you UC -18 in the 2H ... you know you'd take it" .... and they all sadly nodded.

It's the sad reality of this program. We expect to blow these kind of games. Just like they did at Akron & UB last year. Just like MAC title game vs NIU. Just like they did at Miami in 2012 (where Tettleton didn't throw an INT like someone said ... he took a TERRIBLE sack)

A friend of mine said Ohio is a "good ham sandwich" and we should be fine with that. I asked why can't we just have one good turkey sandwich ... just once? I'm not asking for a deluxe hoagie with all the toppings. Just one decent turkey sandwich instead of the same old ham sandwich every year.

You just don’t need to cry about it like a spoiled child. Stop expecting them to win every game they play and then acting like it’s a personal insult aimed at you if they don’t. I’ve never experienced as many grown men whining and mailto:mailto:b/$&@ing like I have on this site.
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Bobcatzblitz
9/24/2018 3:59 AM
AJ was in. Article in the Post qoutes AJ saying he was in but Coaches missed it
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bshot44
9/24/2018 7:51 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
AJ was in. Article in the Post qoutes AJ saying he was in but Coaches missed it
I encourage you to go back & watch the play again. His elbow hit right before ball crossed the plane.

Wish they would have at least reviewed it at the time ... but I think they got it right.

It was close ... so who knows what review clowns would've seen?

Bottom line ... don't come out and run EXACT same play again. That's poor coaching.
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AlumDadDad
9/24/2018 9:23 AM
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I don't get it. I really don't. People are calling for Albin's head after this loss? The offense put up a respectable 414 yards, and 30 points against a very good defense, by far the most they have given up this year. Meanwhile the defense played for 20 minutes, and then reverted to giving up yards and points by the boatload. In the last 40 minutes of the game, they gave up 418 yards, and 34 points. If they had they played the first 20 minutes the same way they played the last 40, UC would have had 51 points and 627 yards, right at Ohio's average for the year.

This one is on the defense, or lack thereof, as far as I'm concerned. The defense was also to blame for the loss to UVA, and the near loss to Howard. Let's be brutally honest. Ohio has a good, but not great, offense, but one that is improving. On the other hand, Ohio has one of the worst defenses in all of college football. Someone needs to be fired! I know! Let's fire, um, the offensive coordinator?
Completely agree. One stop after the Papi fumble and we win...we got zero. One thing does puzzle me about the final series, though. Why put a 5'9" 177 receiver in the position of fighting for a ball on short yardage in the corner of the end zone? Don't get me wrong, I love Papi to death, but why on earth do you do that when you have a 6'6" 263 redshirt senior tight end? It would seem to be a good idea to have someone who can out-physical the coverage if necessary in that situation (which was exactly what was needed).

But enough about hindsight. We have to improve on defense (for an entire game), work more receivers into the passing game, and improve QB accuracy if this team is to have a chance of reaching their goal in conference play.
Last Edited: 9/24/2018 9:42:19 AM by AlumDadDad
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allen
9/24/2018 9:28 AM
AlumDadDad wrote:expand_more
I don't get it. I really don't. People are calling for Albin's head after this loss? The offense put up a respectable 414 yards, and 30 points against a very good defense, by far the most they have given up this year. Meanwhile the defense played for 20 minutes, and then reverted to giving up yards and points by the boatload. In the last 40 minutes of the game, they gave up 418 yards, and 34 points. If they had they played the first 20 minutes the same way they played the last 40, UC would have had 51 points and 627 yards, right at Ohio's average for the year.

This one is on the defense, or lack thereof, as far as I'm concerned. The defense was also to blame for the loss to UVA, and the near loss to Howard. Let's be brutally honest. Ohio has a good, but not great, offense, but one that is improving. On the other hand, Ohio has one of the worst defenses in all of college football. Someone needs to be fired! I know! Let's fire, um, the offensive coordinator?
Completely agree. One stop after the Papi fumble and we win...we got zero. One thing does puzzle me about the final series, though. Why put a 5'9" 177 receiver in the position of fighting for a ball on short yardage in the corner of the end zone? Don't get me wrong, I love Papi to death, but why on earth do you do that when you have a 6'6" 263 redshirt senior tight end? It would seem to be a good idea to have someone who can out-physical the coverage if necessary in that situation (which was exactly what was needed).

But enough about hindsight. We have to improve on defense (for an entire game), work more receivers into the passing game, and improve QB accuracy if this team is to have a chance of reaching their goal in conference play.
Great observation. We do need to use our tight ends more. Albin has gotten better and Burrow has gotten worse. The DB coach definitely needs to be addressed. They have been continuously plagued by face guarding and poor tackling and I can’t remember the last time that our safeties have took away a tight end.
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GoCats105
9/24/2018 10:32 AM
I was watching the game with OUCountry and told him I'd rather they get blown out than play really well and then rip my gut out. It was a heat of the moment comment, but as soon as UC scored their first touchdown in the 2nd half we knew it wasn't going to end well.

Anyway, 10-2/9-3 is still on the table as much as we don't want to think it is. Northern Illinois can't score on offense. Akron is Akron. The one team I'm worried about the most is Buffalo, even though we get them at home. We always drop at least one at home, most of them when we shouldn't.

Seriously, can we go undefeated at home just once?

2017: Central Michigan
2016: Texas State, Eastern Michigan
2015: the WMU blowout
2014: BG, NIU
2013: CMU, Kent
2012: BG
2011: Ball State
2010: Toledo
2009: UConn, Kent
2008: CMU, Buffalo, BG
2007: Wyoming, Kent,
2006: BG
2005: Toledo, Miami
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BillyTheCat
9/24/2018 10:50 AM
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AJ was in. Article in the Post qoutes AJ saying he was in but Coaches missed it
I encourage you to go back & watch the play again. His elbow hit right before ball crossed the plane.

Wish they would have at least reviewed it at the time ... but I think they got it right.

It was close ... so who knows what review clowns would've seen?

Bottom line ... don't come out and run EXACT same play again. That's poor coaching.
Guaranteed that the play was reviewed, and unless there is a camera directly down the goal line their should be no reversal of any call.
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Casper71
9/24/2018 1:08 PM
I hope the coaching staff has a bit of time to watch Bama's second TD vs A&M. QB under center, I formation with third back/te in backfield. Fake dive and roll out with option to pass, QB runs it in. As has been said before running the same play on the goal line twice in a row is not exactly creative or smart.

Holy crap, still watching the Bama/A&M game replay. Third Bama TD they are in the spread, fake pitch wide and hit TE down the middle for a TD. It is really nice to watch a creative offense. Did we throw to the TE Sat?
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bshot44
9/24/2018 1:21 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
AJ was in. Article in the Post qoutes AJ saying he was in but Coaches missed it
I encourage you to go back & watch the play again. His elbow hit right before ball crossed the plane.

Wish they would have at least reviewed it at the time ... but I think they got it right.

It was close ... so who knows what review clowns would've seen?

Bottom line ... don't come out and run EXACT same play again. That's poor coaching.
Guaranteed that the play was reviewed, and unless there is a camera directly down the goal line their should be no reversal of any call.
It was not reviewed. At least not from what I read via Arkley or what Ohio players were saying after the game.

"I thought I was in. Lowery was right there, he said he pushed me in. We got to review that. I mean if we have to call a time out to review that, so what?" - AJ Ouelette

"The play wasn't officially reviewed" - Direct quote from Athens Messenger article by Jason Arkley.

After seeing the replay myself, I agree that they did get the call right on the field ... his elbow touched before the ball crossed. A millisecond the other way, and it's a TD.

But the fact they did NOT review the play is an indictment on either A) OUr coaching staff for not issuing a challenge considering the ramification of that play or B) the officials who review WAAAAY too much already. Why not take a look at a play that could decide the outcome of the game?

Either way ... can't run same play right after and not expect them to see it and attack it like they did for a substantial loss.
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bshot44
9/24/2018 1:32 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I was watching the game with OUCountry and told him I'd rather they get blown out than play really well and then rip my gut out. It was a heat of the moment comment, but as soon as UC scored their first touchdown in the 2nd half we knew it wasn't going to end well.

Anyway, 10-2/9-3 is still on the table as much as we don't want to think it is. Northern Illinois can't score on offense. Akron is Akron. The one team I'm worried about the most is Buffalo, even though we get them at home. We always drop at least one at home, most of them when we shouldn't.

Seriously, can we go undefeated at home just once?

2017: Central Michigan
2016: Texas State, Eastern Michigan
2015: the WMU blowout
2014: BG, NIU
2013: CMU, Kent
2012: BG
2011: Ball State
2010: Toledo
2009: UConn, Kent
2008: CMU, Buffalo, BG
2007: Wyoming, Kent,
2006: BG
2005: Toledo, Miami
Pretty remarkable when you look at it, right?

I've been blasted by some for pointing out similar facts.

Ohio drops games just about every year that are just head scratchers?

And sadly, in front of usually what is the biggest crowd of the year in Homecoming, we've pretty bad the last 7 years.

After going 6-0 in his first 6 homecoming games ... Ohio is just 3-4 since with losses to CMU (twice), BG and Ball State. Two of those were 6-6 teams.
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BillyTheCat
9/24/2018 3:29 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
AJ was in. Article in the Post qoutes AJ saying he was in but Coaches missed it
I encourage you to go back & watch the play again. His elbow hit right before ball crossed the plane.

Wish they would have at least reviewed it at the time ... but I think they got it right.

It was close ... so who knows what review clowns would've seen?

Bottom line ... don't come out and run EXACT same play again. That's poor coaching.
Guaranteed that the play was reviewed, and unless there is a camera directly down the goal line their should be no reversal of any call.
It was not reviewed. At least not from what I read via Arkley or what Ohio players were saying after the game.

"I thought I was in. Lowery was right there, he said he pushed me in. We got to review that. I mean if we have to call a time out to review that, so what?" - AJ Ouelette

"The play wasn't officially reviewed" - Direct quote from Athens Messenger article by Jason Arkley.

After seeing the replay myself, I agree that they did get the call right on the field ... his elbow touched before the ball crossed. A millisecond the other way, and it's a TD.

But the fact they did NOT review the play is an indictment on either A) OUr coaching staff for not issuing a challenge considering the ramification of that play or B) the officials who review WAAAAY too much already. Why not take a look at a play that could decide the outcome of the game?

Either way ... can't run same play right after and not expect them to see it and attack it like they did for a substantial loss.
Plays are reviewed without you ever knowing it. Every play is watched in the booth and every play that is close is watched multiple times. Video just confirmed what was called on the field, no reason to shut it down. There was no need to shut the action down because they had already seen the play and there was no smoke. I promise you that play was looked at by the replay booth.

As for challenge, point to me last time you saw a game where a coaches challenge was made.
Last Edited: 9/24/2018 3:30:49 PM by BillyTheCat
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OU_Country
9/24/2018 4:26 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I was watching the game with OUCountry and told him I'd rather they get blown out than play really well and then rip my gut out. It was a heat of the moment comment, but as soon as UC scored their first touchdown in the 2nd half we knew it wasn't going to end well.

Anyway, 10-2/9-3 is still on the table as much as we don't want to think it is. Northern Illinois can't score on offense. Akron is Akron. The one team I'm worried about the most is Buffalo, even though we get them at home. We always drop at least one at home, most of them when we shouldn't.

Seriously, can we go undefeated at home just once?

2017: Central Michigan
2016: Texas State, Eastern Michigan
2015: the WMU blowout
2014: BG, NIU
2013: CMU, Kent
2012: BG
2011: Ball State
2010: Toledo
2009: UConn, Kent
2008: CMU, Buffalo, BG
2007: Wyoming, Kent,
2006: BG
2005: Toledo, Miami
Three thoughts:

1) With the remaining schedule, and what I've seen so far this season on defense, I can see 9-3 if they right the ship on D, but 10-2, and running the table from here on out....no chance that happens in my opinion.

2) The remaining home slate to pull off undefeated isn't terribly daunting, but my immediate gut feeling says it's unlikely that they manage to beat Buffalo and Akron in those last two games. Seems like 1-1 in those to me, and to win the MAC East, it's probably going to take both of those in the win column.

3) Hey, at least the bar, the company & the beer was good while we watched!
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bshot44
9/24/2018 4:32 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
AJ was in. Article in the Post qoutes AJ saying he was in but Coaches missed it
I encourage you to go back & watch the play again. His elbow hit right before ball crossed the plane.

Wish they would have at least reviewed it at the time ... but I think they got it right.

It was close ... so who knows what review clowns would've seen?

Bottom line ... don't come out and run EXACT same play again. That's poor coaching.
Guaranteed that the play was reviewed, and unless there is a camera directly down the goal line their should be no reversal of any call.
It was not reviewed. At least not from what I read via Arkley or what Ohio players were saying after the game.

"I thought I was in. Lowery was right there, he said he pushed me in. We got to review that. I mean if we have to call a time out to review that, so what?" - AJ Ouelette

"The play wasn't officially reviewed" - Direct quote from Athens Messenger article by Jason Arkley.

After seeing the replay myself, I agree that they did get the call right on the field ... his elbow touched before the ball crossed. A millisecond the other way, and it's a TD.

But the fact they did NOT review the play is an indictment on either A) OUr coaching staff for not issuing a challenge considering the ramification of that play or B) the officials who review WAAAAY too much already. Why not take a look at a play that could decide the outcome of the game?

Either way ... can't run same play right after and not expect them to see it and attack it like they did for a substantial loss.
Plays are reviewed without you ever knowing it. Every play is watched in the booth and every play that is close is watched multiple times. Video just confirmed what was called on the field, no reason to shut it down. There was no need to shut the action down because they had already seen the play and there was no smoke. I promise you that play was looked at by the replay booth.

As for challenge, point to me last time you saw a game where a coaches challenge was made.
I'm not 100% sure why you're being so stubborn on this one. I think we agree they got the call right ... it was NOT a TD

But the idea that you are 1000% certain they reviewed the play seems a little off?

Why would Ohio players be so adamant they didn't review it?

Why would Arkley report there was no official review? Do you think he made that up or someone lied to him, telling him it wasn't reviewed?

It's pretty cut and dry ...

"Each team gets one per game, with a second if the first challenge is successful. The coach has to call a timeout to request the challenge. If his team is already out of timeouts, he can’t challenge, but if a challenge is successful, he gets the timeout back. There are no red challenge flags, like they have in the pros."

Ohio had a timeout ... which was Ouelette's point. Why wouldn't Ohio, in that moment with less than a minute left, on a play that could've given them the win ... not at least want to have someone take a closer look. Lord knows, we've seen more absurd plays get overturned.

Plus ... plays where "The outcome of a review would “have a direct, competitive impact” on the game” can be reviewed. I would think that play would fall under this.

This is a pretty good summation of the CFB replay rules ... which are obviously different than NFL.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/30/17489...
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bshot44
9/24/2018 4:34 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I was watching the game with OUCountry and told him I'd rather they get blown out than play really well and then rip my gut out. It was a heat of the moment comment, but as soon as UC scored their first touchdown in the 2nd half we knew it wasn't going to end well.

Anyway, 10-2/9-3 is still on the table as much as we don't want to think it is. Northern Illinois can't score on offense. Akron is Akron. The one team I'm worried about the most is Buffalo, even though we get them at home. We always drop at least one at home, most of them when we shouldn't.

Seriously, can we go undefeated at home just once?

2017: Central Michigan
2016: Texas State, Eastern Michigan
2015: the WMU blowout
2014: BG, NIU
2013: CMU, Kent
2012: BG
2011: Ball State
2010: Toledo
2009: UConn, Kent
2008: CMU, Buffalo, BG
2007: Wyoming, Kent,
2006: BG
2005: Toledo, Miami
Three thoughts:

1) With the remaining schedule, and what I've seen so far this season on defense, I can see 9-3 if they right the ship on D, but 10-2, and running the table from here on out....no chance that happens in my opinion.

2) The remaining home slate to pull off undefeated isn't terribly daunting, but my immediate gut feeling says it's unlikely that they manage to beat Buffalo and Akron in those last two games. Seems like 1-1 in those to me, and to win the MAC East, it's probably going to take both of those in the win column.

3) Hey, at least the bar, the company & the beer was good while we watched!
Agree. I also think they only go 2-1 at best with road games at NIU, WMU and Miami.

So where does that leave us?

Yup! You know it! 8-4 (6-2) or 7-5 (5-3)

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Ohio Football.
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OU_Country
9/24/2018 4:34 PM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
The problem with Albin is that we had 414 instead of 415. When they have to get one yard to win a game, they cannot get it. The last three plays are an indictment of the staff. Not strong enough, not tough enough, not disciplined enough. Should've been 4 straight QB sneaks off the strongest guard. Albin continues to make the wrong call. I don't care if Ohio has 800 yards of offense if they can't get the yards that matter.
I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. Not being able to get 2/3 of a yard right there isn't acceptable. For all the talk about we hear about wanting to have a reputation to play physical football, well there's the opportunity. Line up and ask your big guys to move theirs about 25-30 inches so your strong running QB can get the TD. And, there were multiple downs and time remaining to do it. Puzzling to me.

Those decisions, combined with the Papi fumble, in my mind were the plays that ultimately decided the game.
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bshot44
9/24/2018 4:43 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
The problem with Albin is that we had 414 instead of 415. When they have to get one yard to win a game, they cannot get it. The last three plays are an indictment of the staff. Not strong enough, not tough enough, not disciplined enough. Should've been 4 straight QB sneaks off the strongest guard. Albin continues to make the wrong call. I don't care if Ohio has 800 yards of offense if they can't get the yards that matter.
I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. Not being able to get 2/3 of a yard right there isn't acceptable. For all the talk about we hear about wanting to have a reputation to play physical football, well there's the opportunity. Line up and ask your big guys to move theirs about 25-30 inches so your strong running QB can get the TD. And, there were multiple downs and time remaining to do it. Puzzling to me.

Those decisions, combined with the Papi fumble, in my mind were the plays that ultimately decided the game.
+1. Bingo
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