I agree with Diamond Cat about some fans expecting more. If you read some of the other threads which have been posted in the last 24 hours, and actually before that, you will notice that some are quietly telling us the same thing.

Bobcat695 stated it well when he said in another thread that "my checkbook is closed and my feelings are apathetic". Then SBH stated in another thread he "downgraded my seats" this year for football and will do the same next year. To echo what these two have stated, my checkbook is also closed and I too am now apathetic. Funny, I also downgraded my season tickets which I have had on the Tower side of Peden for a number of years for this season. Actually, I was not going to renew season tickets at all until the nice young lady at the ticket office talked me into buying 4 GA season tickets for $165 without any contribution to the OBC. Trust me, that is a lot less then I have spent in previous years on Ohio Football. I did so not because I could not afford what I had shelled out in previous years to the Program but because even though I had high hopes for a banner season, in my "gut" I just had a sinking feeling we would tank this year as well. Boy, I did not have to wait long for that feeling to come to fruition. Sadly, I think the same thing is going to happen this year in Ohio Basketball. I hope I am wrong! Either way, if things improve my money and I suspect others' will come back. Take a look at how season ticket sales have tanked this year. That should give you pause for concern. People want a winner. As SBH talked about in another thread, I too had a feeling when we were up 21-0 that we would still lose the game. Why, because of where this program has gone for the last number of years. We are in year 14 of this regime. I do not see us having any chance of going to the next level or winning a MACC as long as things remain the same. I have not had that type of feeling since the Knoor, Cleve or Lichty years.

As for supporting this Program, I go back to the 1960's and was there in the 1970's. If Bill Hess had the budget/resources and support this staff has had he and his staff would have accomplished even more than they did.

We won the bowl game last year 41-6 but I guess its go undefeated and a New Year's bowl or bust by a lot of the fans at this point. Even if this is another 8-4 season its still Frank cruising over the 100 win mark at Ohio, another best case scenario dating to the time he was brought in back in 2005. Then its Bill Hess sitting at 108 wins and Don Peden at 121 wins, both of which are in range (theoretically at least) for next season. Frank may not be the one to take us to the New Year's Day paradise but a lot of credit has to be given for laying ground work for the next guy to do so. This applies also to winning MACCs in the future and better recruiting.

This program continues to grow and grow. Just look at the increase in Ohio players playing in the NFL as an example of this. I love it that we can actually have a conversation about the next level of Ohio football (imagine that), when Ohio for so many years was consistently at the bottom of Division 1 football. I have personally seen a lot of growth from this team from game one through the game on Saturday. (Was the loss heartbreaking, Heck yes!) I don't know how this team will match up in the MAC this year, but I wouldn't abandon ship quite yet. Besides, Solich deserves an off year. Have we reached the top of the MAC yet, of course not. Is this program competitive: "yes." Is that enough: "no." Do we need to throw the baby kitty out with the bathwater: "come on, really?" These are adolescent brains that we are dealing with, folks. Hats off to Solich and company for having the patience to continue to coach young men year in and year out.

For those talking about the next level, you better start figuring out how you are going to fund the next level. Winning does not come cheap, folks. Never has, and, well, it never will.

I just laugh at the comments about "well, we sucked in the 80s & 90s ... so we should be excited about Ohio football now"

No s**t Ohio sucked a** for a loooong time. Anybody knows that.

And yes ... Ohio football being relevant now is great. Anybody knows that.

But when are folks "allowed" to expect or want more? Do we have to wait until 2030s?

How many 7-5 & 8-4 seasons that can be predicted years in advance ... the same stale outcomes of losing games they should win before we hold anyone accountable?

Season tickets are in the trash. I cancelled mine too. Three Saturday home games?!?!?! WTF?!?! And against Howard, UMass & BG. C'mon!

The product is stale. It's been nearly 15 years of the same thing.

And when Ohio is poised, on paper, to have a big year ... they flop to open the season.

This team should probably be 2-1 right now.

That 2H performance was pretty bleak. All they needed was one TD to lock that game up. Instead they get beat 27-6 in 2H. Bad play calling (as usual) and some costly mistakes (Rourke INT obviously ... but Papi fumble was MASSIVE & totally shifted momentum)

Ohio football is as boring as a Solich Friday night in April right now. Zero buzz.

It's the same thing every year.

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Frank for resurrecting this pile of garbage. But c'mon ... can we have at least one breakout season that doesn't involve either a heartbreaking loss or head scratching loss?

We might very well go 9-0 to finish regular season. Talent is there vs subpar MAC.

But from what you've seen do you really think this coaching staff has it in them to

Win at NIU
Win at WMU
Win at Miami
Beat UB & Akron in Athens

Do you? Based in what we've already seen and historical trends of this program the last 14 years?

I don't. Sorry. That's just where I'm at.

Yesterday was a BLAST! Tons of fun. But I looked at buddies I was with ... up 24-7 at halftime and said "if I offered you UC -18 in the 2H ... you know you'd take it" .... and they all sadly nodded.

It's the sad reality of this program. We expect to blow these kind of games. Just like they did at Akron & UB last year. Just like MAC title game vs NIU. Just like they did at Miami in 2012 (where Tettleton didn't throw an INT like someone said ... he took a TERRIBLE sack)

A friend of mine said Ohio is a "good ham sandwich" and we should be fine with that. I asked why can't we just have one good turkey sandwich ... just once? I'm not asking for a deluxe hoagie with all the toppings. Just one decent turkey sandwich instead of the same old ham sandwich every year.

Are we saying we don't invest in football enough to win a MAC championship? I'm not saying the "next level" is Orange & Sugar Bowls. But c'mon! Is it too much to expect a coaching staff 14 years in the MAC to win a few league titles? Or at least one?!?!

Again ... no coach in MAC history has been at a school for this long and NOT won a MAC title. Not. One.

Not asking for 12-0 seasons ... but also tired of traditionally being 4th or 5th best team in a subpar league each year

No, I don't seem to grasp it. You said that yesterday was a BLAST. And then you go on a rant about canceling season tickets and the team being boring and likely to blow games and how they should be 2-1 and instead of 1-2. Why do you do that to yourself? Either enjoy it or don't. Sure, let's have a discussion, but you're going to serious extremes, man.

Weren't you the one who said you wanted the goal for Ohio Football to be a perennial MAC title contender? Do they not at least contend for the title every year?

But it doesn't sound like you are enjoying it, according to these posts. It does sound like total misery for you. Torture that these Bobcats are boring, prone to blow leads and don't fulfill lofty expectations. Why do I have this vision that you are Randy Quaid in Major League?

The More You Know.

At this point then for me personally, it would either be wise to build a press box on the other side of the stadium or build new offices near our practice facility which we don't even run.

The money part scares me to maintain what we got now. On top of a crippling football stadium, we don't have enough guarantee games to plug budget holes.

We are about a 57% run v pass team, we have a QB situation where he completes roughly 52% of his career passes (which is very low by today’s standards) and has proven to be turnover prone), your creativity is often times only limited by your talent level. We have limitations on what we can do and we do a good job playing to our strengths.

On the year Rourke is hitting 45% of his passes, that’s not good! And that is a severe limitation to “being creative”.

There are lots of ways to be creative, including motion, misdirection, and different formations. We have basically the same formation, with little or no movement. The defense gets a really good look at what we're doing. Yesterday, about the only movement involved putting the RB out wide, then having him come back next to the QB about 10 seconds before the ball was snapped. And the RBs nearly always run UTM. Same ol, same ol.

You just don’t need to cry about it like a spoiled child. Stop expecting them to win every game they play and then acting like it’s a personal insult aimed at you if they don’t. I’ve never experienced as many grown men whining and b/$&@ing like I have on this site.

I stand corrected on Tettleton.

I don't get it. I really don't. People are calling for Albin's head after this loss? The offense put up a respectable 414 yards, and 30 points against a very good defense, by far the most they have given up this year. Meanwhile the defense played for 20 minutes, and then reverted to giving up yards and points by the boatload. In the last 40 minutes of the game, they gave up 418 yards, and 34 points. If they had they played the first 20 minutes the same way they played the last 40, UC would have had 51 points and 627 yards, right at Ohio's average for the year.

This one is on the defense, or lack thereof, as far as I'm concerned. The defense was also to blame for the loss to UVA, and the near loss to Howard. Let's be brutally honest. Ohio has a good, but not great, offense, but one that is improving. On the other hand, Ohio has one of the worst defenses in all of college football. Someone needs to be fired! I know! Let's fire, um, the offensive coordinator?