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bshot44
11/26/2018 12:19 PM
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Lost in this disappointment is how much this Ohio team dominated the conference this year.

-Beating the MAC East champion by 35 points
-In MAC games won, winning by an average of 29 points
-In MAC games lost, lost by an average of 2.5 points
-In all losses, losing by an average of 5.5 points
-In all wins, winning by an average of 25 points
-MAC average per game scoring differential -- 21 points
-The team averaged more than 6 yards per rushing attempt
-Rourke is in the top 15 in the nation in passing efficiency
-Zerfoss is in the top 25 in scoring
-AJ in the top 20 in rushing yards
-Irons and Rourke in the top 20 in yards per carry
-Team is in the top 10 in scoring

Great performances. Came up two points short at Miami. Three points short at NIU. Disappointing.

But I enjoyed the season overall. The guys played well. The coaches coached well. Will enjoy the bowl game and look forward to another good season next year and competing for the MAC title. I hope, for Frank's sake more than anyone else, that we get that.
I think that's what makes it so hard to see ... again.

Just like last year, Ohio was arguably the best team in the league ... but a few plays cost them a chance to play for the title, just like last year.

I think these were two of Solich's best teams .... and unfortunately he doesn't have a title to go along with them. I, too, hope he gets one! It would be quite a void to retire as the MAC's all-time winningest coach and NOT have a MAC title on the resume.
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OhioBobcat
11/26/2018 3:01 PM
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My guess is the number one goal of any mid American conference football team Is to win a Division and play in/win the championship. Those other things, while laudable, are icing on the cake.
I agree.
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OUBob
11/26/2018 9:39 PM
Love the grumpin.

Here’s a season where we didn’t lose to a team with a losing record. Of the teams we lost to, only one lost to a team with a losing record and that was Florida State. Not too shabby.

Would I like three of those games back? Hell yes. Would we beat UCF? I wouldn’t bet on it, but if we played up to our ability it would be fun.

Oh well, bring on North Texas or UAB or Marshall, cuz no way will we be paired with an opponent like App St.
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Sam bobcat
11/27/2018 8:21 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
You are the one putting me before the players and misconstruing my message.
Lol
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allen
11/27/2018 11:24 AM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
You are the one putting me before the players and misconstruing my message.
Lol
I go from fan to someone who goes before the players all because of a comment. Is it go at Allen day? Did I touch a nerve? Sorry, I enjoy your post and didn't mean to rattle your cage. I just make honest assessments.
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Bcat2
11/27/2018 1:47 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
You are the one putting me before the players and misconstruing my message.
Lol
I go from fan to someone who goes before the players all because of a comment. Is it go at Allen day? Did I touch a nerve? Sorry, I enjoy your post and didn't mean to rattle your cage. I just make honest assessments.
Forgive us if we take your "honest assessments," read as "opinions," with a grain of salt. You being the fan whose "honest assessment" of playing Bradd Ellis was he would lead Ohio to a losing season. Your "honest assessment" was playing Ellis was "insane." Thankfully Ohio's "incompetent" coaches who need to be "assessed" played him and he delivered All Mac play leading the MAC with 19 PBU, ranking third in all FBS. So, pass the salt. Please.

edit to correct spelling of "Bradd." credit to allen, thank you.
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allen
11/27/2018 2:22 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
You are the one putting me before the players and misconstruing my message.
Lol
I go from fan to someone who goes before the players all because of a comment. Is it go at Allen day? Did I touch a nerve? Sorry, I enjoy your post and didn't mean to rattle your cage. I just make honest assessments.
Forgive us if we take your "honest assessments," read as "opinions," with a grain of salt. You being the fan whose "honest assessment" of playing Brad Ellis was he would lead Ohio to a losing season. Your "honest assessment" was playing Ellis was "insane." Thankfully Ohio's "incompetent" coaches who need to be "assessed" played him and he delivered All Mac play leading the MAC with 19 PBU, ranking third in all FBS. So, pass the salt. Please.
You might want to spell his name right. I am glad that Ellis proved me wrong, I wish the coaches would prove me wrong. Ellis had a good year, he gave up big plays and made big plays. He was a solid corner on a defense that finished 120th against the pass. Of course, I want us to be better than 120th against the pass, we were 114th this year and in both years we had weak schedules and face at least two backup qb’s or it may have been worst. In order to improve our pass defense, we need to recruit better corners or have a better defensive backs coach. I hate to put salt in your koolaid, but sometimes a reality check is in order.
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rpbobcat
11/27/2018 2:55 PM
Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
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OhioStunter
11/27/2018 5:07 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.
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allen
11/27/2018 6:41 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
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Bcat2
11/27/2018 10:36 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 9-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 10-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
Last Edited: 11/27/2018 10:59:21 PM by Bcat2
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OhioCatFan
11/27/2018 10:46 PM
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Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 8-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 9-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
bcat2, I believe the regular season record was 9-3 and with the bowl win it was 10-3, during Frank's final year at Nebraska.
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allen
11/27/2018 11:00 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 8-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 9-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
His record was 9-3. Solich is a good coach, he just needs to push some buttons and we will get that elusive MAC championship.
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Bcat2
11/27/2018 11:14 PM
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Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 8-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 9-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
bcat2, I believe the regular season record was 9-3 and with the bowl win it was 10-3, during Frank's final year at Nebraska.
Correct. Thank you. A time, like the song says, when "the music died."
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bshot44
11/27/2018 11:44 PM
So bcat2 are you even an Ohio fan if Solich isn't coach? Are you a transplanted Nebraska fan? Just angry the way he was ousted in Lincoln?

I agree ... casual fans don't know Ohio's painful recent history of falling just short of championships. And most do know the brand name of Frank Solich. And that most certainly is a plus.

But for those that follow the program more closely ... spend hard earned money on season tickets and travel ... and precious time to support Ohio football I think it's okay to remember the tough losses and desire a championship.

This "be happy because Ohio wins 58% of their games" might be satisfying for you as a Solich fanatic ... but after 14 years, some would like to see something more. Is that wrong. According to you ... it is. SMH
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Mike Johnson
11/28/2018 8:54 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 9-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 10-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
Please forgive me if my memory is flawed, but if I'm right Coach Solich at Ohio isn't 105-77 but 105-75.
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Cbus Convo
11/28/2018 9:51 AM
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Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 9-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 10-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
Please forgive me if my memory is flawed, but if I'm right Coach Solich at Ohio isn't 105-77 but 105-75.

Correct, Frank is 105-75, winning percentage of 58.33% and 30 games above .500.
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bshot44
11/28/2018 10:48 AM
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Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 9-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 10-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
Please forgive me if my memory is flawed, but if I'm right Coach Solich at Ohio isn't 105-77 but 105-75.

Correct, Frank is 105-75, winning percentage of 58.33% and 30 games above .500.
Yep. That's an average of 7.5-5.35

Paint that on your chest and run shirtless down Court Street
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allen
11/28/2018 11:11 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 9-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 10-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
Please forgive me if my memory is flawed, but if I'm right Coach Solich at Ohio isn't 105-77 but 105-75.

Correct, Frank is 105-75, winning percentage of 58.33% and 30 games above .500.
Yep. That's an average of 7.5-5.35

Paint that on your chest and run shirtless down Court Street
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ShoreCat
11/28/2018 12:11 PM
can you imagine the national perception of Ohio if we got rid of Frank? I vaguely remember the criticism we got when we let go of Larry Hunter (I remember Vitale going off on ESPN about it), and that would pale in comparison if that happened.

It's great that people are passionate about wanting a MAC title. I want one too. But's its not the sole measure of success, and by any reasonable definition, Solich is running a successful program.

Let me put it another way that may bring some levity to this discussion. My wife is an awful cook. Awful. And good food is important to me. She excels in all other areas of our marriage. Does the fact that she is an awful cook make my marriage unsuccessful?

Well, that analogy probably went nowhere but I tried ;)
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Bcat2
11/28/2018 1:04 PM
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Last night on WFAN Mike Francessa was talking to a caller about college football coaches and the difficulty of "in state" recruiting in places like Kansas and Nebraska.

He talked about the issues at Nebraska, and how Solich was fired.

Then he talked about what a great job Solich had/was doing at Ohio.

So there is at least some recognition, outside of Athens,of just what Solich has accomplished for Ohio,even without winning the MAC.
I'm no Francessa fan, but I think you are right that the national reputation of Solich and Ohio is very, very high. I'm not sure they could honestly tell you if he's ever won a MAC title. I would even bet they assume he has. They know that Ohio is consistently a bowl-eligible team that wins year after year.

Solich is a good guy and a good coach. He got pushed out of Nebraska because they no longer believed in the power I and the option and they didn't think that Solich could reinvent his self. He has, thank God. His biggest problem is winning the big games. If you are an announcer and you are in his presence, you have to appreciate his knowledge and longevity. I agree, I bet they don't know that he has not won a MAC and they don't keep a record of all of the games that he let slip away. You can tell from the press conferences that he knows football and can game plan. He has questioned the play calling and the tackling so he is not clueless, he is just too loyal.
allen. Please. Coach was fired from Nebraska because of a 6-6 season. It took the AD til Solich was 9-3 the next season to get him out. Polini got to coach that team to a win in their bowl, becoming 10-3. You are correct most don't know he has not won the MAC. They are painfully aware their mighty Huskers have not won any since 99 with coach Solich. Again correct about their not keeping record of games that got away. News flash allen, most fans don't. What purpose does it serve? Most are aware generally that he has brought winning to Ohio, 105-77 or .58. Nebraska 2005 - present is 112-71 or.61. Oh, allen there have been wins in big games. The thing about big games is you are up against teams as good or better than you. In those you win some and lose some. If you can not deal with that you need to be an Alabama or OSU fan.
Please forgive me if my memory is flawed, but if I'm right Coach Solich at Ohio isn't 105-77 but 105-75.

Correct, Frank is 105-75, winning percentage of 58.33% and 30 games above .500.
Thank you. Made me look at the 14 years before coach Solich. I get 50-104-2, winning percentage of 32% and 28 games below .500. 30 games above, not to shabby, when you came from 28 below.

Note. If Frost does not get Nebraska turned around soon coach Solich will have Ohio, see above, winning at a higher rate than the Huskers over the period since he left. That could be the result of consistency. There are those who would trade that for a single CC.

Note 2. But what matters is what have they done lately. It seems that a last five year comparison Ohio/Nebraska shows Ohio 38-25 and 63% while Nebraska is 31-31 and 50% on their fourth coach since Solich. So at Ohio 58% over 14 seasons and 63% over the last five seasons.
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11/28/2018 3:20 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Thank you. Made me look at the 14 years before coach Solich. I get 50-104-2, winning percentage of 32% and 28 games below .500. 30 games above, not to shabby, when you came from 28 below.

Note. If Frost does not get Nebraska turned around soon coach Solich will have Ohio, see above, winning at a higher rate than the Huskers over the period since he left. That could be the result of consistency. There are those who would trade that for a single CC.
Your ability to continue to compare apples to oranges is fascinating.

I'm not going to dig too deep in to your ridiculous comparisons of Nebraska football and Ohio football. A team that has won ZERO conference titles in 50 years to a program that has 46 bowl appearances, 18 conference titles, and FIVE national titles in the last 50 years.

Tom Osbourne never lost more than 3 games in a season. 24 years. Frank Solich lost 4 in his first year at Nebraska. Am I saying Solich deserved to be run out of Lincoln ... no. Absolutely not. But quit acting like Nebraska ran football's equivalent to John Wooden out of UCLA.

Nebraska's downfall wasn't as much about Solich's departure as it was about their move to the Big 10. Callahan set them back years ... and the switch to B1G helped cripple them more.

Either way ... winning in the Big 12 or Big Ten is FAR more difficult than it is to run up a 58% win percentage in the MAC East.

Oh wait. Nebraska has already done that! They're 111-71 in the last 14 years with a 5-6 bowl record and five division titles. That's a .609 win percentage. Which is understandably frustrating for a fan base that has seen conference titles and national titles in the last half century.

Are the glory days of Nebraska football in the rearview mirror ... most likely? I'm guessing Scott Frost doesn't agree ... nor does their rabid fan base. And while their expectations of challenging for national titles again might be far-fetched ... it's understandable at least.

What were the expectations of Ohio football for those 14 years before Solich arrived? What was energy around it?

I'd wager to say both were approximately ZERO.

What reason did Ohio football give to fans to be excited or to have any expectations?

Let's make it an even 15 years ... from 1990-2004. That's Tom Lichtenberg, Jim Grobe and Brian Knorr.

There were two winning seasons during that time period. An 8-3 and 7-4 year during the Grobe era ... both resulting in no bowl game because there were not 40 bowl games back then and 6+ MAC teams didn't "earn" bowl bids.

Other than that you were littered with 7 seasons that saw 2 or less wins ... and a lot of other forgettable years.

Other than maybe a couple years under Grobe, was Ohio expected to do anything in terms of competing for a league title? Did fans care? Did anyone take notice at all during that time?

I'm going to say barely, if at all.

How is that comparable to the Solich era? From the time he stepped on campus in Athens, expectations rose. As you've said multiple times, this was a coach who led Nebraska to the national championship game!

How could Ohio fans not have expectations?!

So after elevating the program from the depths of despair and into a very competitive MAC program ... the expectations aren't allowed to rise with it?

We should just be ecstatic that Ohio is now a 7.5-5.35 program the last 14 years! We should not aspire for anything greater ... and anyone who would want to see Ohio continue to improve as a program should just stop and bathe in the waters of a winning percentage of 58%?

C'mon man. You can't be serious.

Having the same expectations for 2018 Ohio football as you had for 2004 Ohio football is just absurd.

Ohio has improved leaps and bounds in these last 14 years .... but expectations shouldn't?

In 2004, nobody was thinking MAC title ... so when they failed to achieve it ... it obviously is no big deal.

But in 2018, when Ohio was projected to win the MAC title ... and then they failed to achieve it ... it obviously isn't a big deal. Fans cannot be disappointed or frustrated?

Yep. That comparison seems absolutely fair.

This isn't 1997 ... when Grobe and the 'Cats were on a magic carpet ride starting 8-1 and controlling their destiny for a MAC division title. They fell short their final two games and it was a total bummer. But, man, what a season that was! After 15 years without a winning record, falling short of the MAC title and finishing 8-3 was a pretty good consolation.

But here we are ... over 20 years later ... with 4 division titles ... 9 winning seasons ... and we're supposed to think going 8-4 is a good consolation for a team that was projected to not just win the division, but win the championship game?

Talk about apples and oranges.

But keep comparing current era Ohio football to that forgettable era of 1990-2004. Keep the expectations even steven. Fits well with your narrative.

58% of the time ... it works every time.
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11/28/2018 4:16 PM
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Thank you. Made me look at the 14 years before coach Solich. I get 50-104-2, winning percentage of 32% and 28 games below .500. 30 games above, not to shabby, when you came from 28 below.

Note. If Frost does not get Nebraska turned around soon coach Solich will have Ohio, see above, winning at a higher rate than the Huskers over the period since he left. That could be the result of consistency. There are those who would trade that for a single CC.

Note 2. But what matters is what have they done lately. It seems that a last five year comparison Ohio/Nebraska shows Ohio 38-25 and 63% while Nebraska is 31-31 and 50% on their fourth coach since Solich. So at Ohio 58% over 14 seasons and 63% over the last five seasons.
[/QUOTE]Purely coincidental you made an amendment to your post nearly an hour after my response?

[QUOTE=Bcat2]Last Edited: 11/28/2018 4:11:56 PM by Bcat2
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11/28/2018 10:15 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Thank you. Made me look at the 14 years before coach Solich. I get 50-104-2, winning percentage of 32% and 28 games below .500. 30 games above, not to shabby, when you came from 28 below.

Note. If Frost does not get Nebraska turned around soon coach Solich will have Ohio, see above, winning at a higher rate than the Huskers over the period since he left. That could be the result of consistency. There are those who would trade that for a single CC.
Your ability to continue to compare apples to oranges is fascinating.

I'm not going to dig too deep in to your ridiculous comparisons of Nebraska football and Ohio football. A team that has won ZERO conference titles in 50 years to a program that has 46 bowl appearances, 18 conference titles, and FIVE national titles in the last 50 years.

Tom Osbourne never lost more than 3 games in a season. 24 years. Frank Solich lost 4 in his first year at Nebraska. Am I saying Solich deserved to be run out of Lincoln ... no. Absolutely not. But quit acting like Nebraska ran football's equivalent to John Wooden out of UCLA.

Nebraska's downfall wasn't as much about Solich's departure as it was about their move to the Big 10. Callahan set them back years ... and the switch to B1G helped cripple them more.

Either way ... winning in the Big 12 or Big Ten is FAR more difficult than it is to run up a 58% win percentage in the MAC East.

Oh wait. Nebraska has already done that! They're 111-71 in the last 14 years with a 5-6 bowl record and five division titles. That's a .609 win percentage. Which is understandably frustrating for a fan base that has seen conference titles and national titles in the last half century.

Are the glory days of Nebraska football in the rearview mirror ... most likely? I'm guessing Scott Frost doesn't agree ... nor does their rabid fan base. And while their expectations of challenging for national titles again might be far-fetched ... it's understandable at least.

What were the expectations of Ohio football for those 14 years before Solich arrived? What was energy around it?

I'd wager to say both were approximately ZERO.

What reason did Ohio football give to fans to be excited or to have any expectations?

Let's make it an even 15 years ... from 1990-2004. That's Tom Lichtenberg, Jim Grobe and Brian Knorr.

There were two winning seasons during that time period. An 8-3 and 7-4 year during the Grobe era ... both resulting in no bowl game because there were not 40 bowl games back then and 6+ MAC teams didn't "earn" bowl bids.

Other than that you were littered with 7 seasons that saw 2 or less wins ... and a lot of other forgettable years.

Other than maybe a couple years under Grobe, was Ohio expected to do anything in terms of competing for a league title? Did fans care? Did anyone take notice at all during that time?

I'm going to say barely, if at all.

How is that comparable to the Solich era? From the time he stepped on campus in Athens, expectations rose. As you've said multiple times, this was a coach who led Nebraska to the national championship game!

How could Ohio fans not have expectations?!

So after elevating the program from the depths of despair and into a very competitive MAC program ... the expectations aren't allowed to rise with it?

We should just be ecstatic that Ohio is now a 7.5-5.35 program the last 14 years! We should not aspire for anything greater ... and anyone who would want to see Ohio continue to improve as a program should just stop and bathe in the waters of a winning percentage of 58%?

C'mon man. You can't be serious.

Having the same expectations for 2018 Ohio football as you had for 2004 Ohio football is just absurd.

Ohio has improved leaps and bounds in these last 14 years .... but expectations shouldn't?

In 2004, nobody was thinking MAC title ... so when they failed to achieve it ... it obviously is no big deal.

But in 2018, when Ohio was projected to win the MAC title ... and then they failed to achieve it ... it obviously isn't a big deal. Fans cannot be disappointed or frustrated?

Yep. That comparison seems absolutely fair.

This isn't 1997 ... when Grobe and the 'Cats were on a magic carpet ride starting 8-1 and controlling their destiny for a MAC division title. They fell short their final two games and it was a total bummer. But, man, what a season that was! After 15 years without a winning record, falling short of the MAC title and finishing 8-3 was a pretty good consolation.

But here we are ... over 20 years later ... with 4 division titles ... 9 winning seasons ... and we're supposed to think going 8-4 is a good consolation for a team that was projected to not just win the division, but win the championship game?

Talk about apples and oranges.

But keep comparing current era Ohio football to that forgettable era of 1990-2004. Keep the expectations even steven. Fits well with your narrative.

58% of the time ... it works every time.
This sums up exactly how I feel and why I don't care to spend another 14 years in neutral.
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11/29/2018 10:00 AM
Well said both bshot44 and bobcat695. I agree.

I can remember the 1997-98 season like it was yesterday. It was Jim Grobe's third (3rd) year as HC for the Bobcats. For that matter, I can remember being in Peden during Jim Grobe's first season at Ohio when we beat Illinois State in Week 2 to break a 12 game losing streak during which the previous season we had went 0-11. I remember the students/fans rushing the field as the game ended. I can also remember the feeling of hope that perhaps Ohio now had a chance with a coach that could elevate the program. Back to that 8-3 season during Jim Grobe's third season, I was at Maryland in Week 2 when we beat the Terrapins and then listened to the radio broadcast the next week when we lost but went toe-to-toe with the 20th ranked Kansas State Wildcats losing 20-23. We then went 8-1 until we lost a brawl with Miami and were still in the hunt for the MAC East title when we went to Huntington the final week of the season to play eventual MAC East and MAC Champion Marshall. Actually, that game determined who won the MAC East that year. There was a huge Bobcat presence in the Joan that rainy/snowy cold afternoon. Even the 110 were present and put on a great show. There was also a certain buzz/excitement with Ohio fans realizing that for the first time in decades we were knocking on the door of once again being significant/relevant in football. In short, we had hope. Unfortunately, Marshall played that game with seven (7) players who would go on to play professional football (Chad Pennington, Randy Moss, Doug Chapman, John Wade, Rogers Beckett and John Grace). Even with the loss I left Huntington thinking that Ohio football was back. However more unfortunate was the fact that Jim Grobe left after the next season and then we were got Brian Knoor and the program tanked along with any hope/buzz/excitement about the program. That hope stayed away until 2005 when Ohio hired Frank Solich.

I was in a sold-out and packed Peden on a Friday night when the Bobcats took on Pitt in a nationally televised game on ESPN. WOW pretty much sums up the feeling in the stadium that night, especially after Dion Byrum's pick-six to end the game in OT. I again had the opportunity to watch as the students/fans rushed the field. After that game there was no doubt that hope/buzz/excitement were back amongst the Ohio faithful. I realized that Coach Solich would need time and resources to build the program but thought we finally had our man to take the program to a higher level. Because of that hope, I was willing to give Coach time to get us there and to increase my support for the program. However, after 14 years that hope is gone. As bshot44 is fond of stating, "wash, rinse, repeat". I stated early this season that I no longer have faith that Frank Solich can elevate the program any further. I still have that feeling.


We play in the MAC East which is one of if not the weakest division in FBS football. We also play a watered down schedule which pretty much guarantees at least a six (6), seven (7) or eight (8) win season but no MACC or national ranking.


I posted earlier in another thread figures which showed that Ohio spends the most in the MAC to fund its football program. I have no problem with that and would actually argue for increasing the spending if it would help us get a MACC and perhaps a New Year's day bowl game. After all, two (2) MAC teams have been able to achieve that goal (Western Michigan and Northern Illinois). If they can accomplish that level while spending less than we were/are, then why can we not achieve the same?


I have a feeling that there are other Bobcat faithful who feel the same way. Attendance/season ticket sales are down and are trending further in that direction. Traffic on this Board is down as people tend to stay away. In short and at least for me, hope is gone.


I appreciate what Coach Solich has brought to the program, but I just do no see him and his current staff elevating this program any further. I would have loved to see what Jim Grobe could have done with the resources/support we now throw at the football program.


Just like bobcat 695, not only am I staying away to a great extent from this Board, I am also channeling my giving/support of this program to something else. I dropped my normal season tickets and giving to the OBC this year. I did buy a Family package after listening to a sales pitch from the good people in the ticket office. I did this not because I could not afford my previous level of giving but because I no longer believe or have hope with this program. To me, fourteen (14) years speaks for itself.


Just my $.02.
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