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Gman
11/23/2018 11:55 PM
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First off, if you're going to complain, at least get the facts straight. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East, not third. Yes Miami beat Ohio and also finished 6-2 in the East, but Ohio and Miami tied for second. When it comes to conference standings, it's simply based off order of finish concerning wins and losses. Tie-breakers do not affect the order in conference standings. Both teams finished tied for second at 6-2, period.
First Off... we did in all reality finish 3RD Place in the MAC East, If you want to say we Tied for 2nd to make it sound better so be but the REALITY of it all is .....we finished 3rd place in the MAC East. End of Story !!!
The "reality?" Do you understand how you just proved yourself wrong with that word and example??? The "REALITY" is that Ohio did indeed finish tied for second. The NCAA, MAC, Ohio, etc all acknowledge that Ohio finished tied for second - because it did, It's a fact. Clearly you do not understand what conference standings mean or how they're determined. Yes, the team which Ohio finished tied with was Miami, which beat Ohio head-to-head, but that doesn't make Miami second and Ohio third, They are BOTH second. Period, End of story. I understand the angle you're taking, but it is incorrect no matter how you try and justify it. Had UB lost today, Ohio would have finished in a three-way tie for first. Miami would have gone to Detroit because a tie-breaker would have been needed to determine who played in the MACC, but all three teams would have STILL been tied for first. Miami would not have finished in front of UB or OU. Understand now??? It's not very difficult to comprehend.
Seed the East right now 1. Buffalo 2. Miami 3. Ohio <<<<< 3rd we ended up 3rd in the East that's why you have all these Tiebreakers when you have the same records, Where I come from if there is 2 teams ahead of you, then you are in 3rd place. There is NO Ties that's why Conference's have Tiebreakers, You are the one that's not getting it !!!
I'm not even going to waste any more time trying to explain this to you because you clearly do not get in and cannot understand. It's obviously going right over your head. Do yourself a favor, on Monday, walk into the Ohio Media Relations Office and politely ask the Ohio football contact, Mike Ashcraft, to explain this difficult-to-understand process to you. It will save you from any further embarrassment on here with each post you make about it. You can thank me later.

P.S. - Make sure to bring something along for Mike for the headache you're going to leave him with following your discussion.
I'm not a bit embarrassed but you can say it slice it anyway you want Ohio ended up 3rd in the MAC East due to Buffalo and Miami finishing ahead of them, So I suggest you call Mike and set up ya own appointment.
Buffalo finished 7-1, Ohio and Miami finished TIED at 6-2. That means ONE, not two, teams finish in front of Ohio in the standings. Got it??? Further, there is no "seeding" in the conference standings either, so I don't know where that "logic" came from??? It not applicable here.
Are you really that stupid ? Buffalo 7-1 Miami 6-2 & Ohio 6-2 Lets say Buffalo would of lost to BG, then Miami would of went to MAC Championship instead of Ohio why ? because even though Ohio & Miami had 6-2 records Miami owned the Tie-Breaker over Ohio both of them 6-2 don't mean squat Just because you have the same record there is other factors that figure in to separate teams and those factors figured in Ohio finishing 3rd in the end.
Nope, no, you're wrong again. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East. Period. End of story. It's a FACT and one that can't and won't ever change no matter how you want to look at it or slice it. I understand the point you're trying to make, I honesty do, but it's simply not applicable here whatsoever. UB finished first, OU & MU finished tied for second. I'm honestly done trying to explain it any more because it's useless. Please, PLEASE, just do yourself a huge favor and pay Mike a visit.
Gonna make this very very easy for YOU to understand. I want you to fill in all 3 places after all the factors and Tie-Breakers are figured in, hmmmm Ohio is in the 3rd spot if you figured right, Even tho Miami & Ohio are 6-2 there is NO ties in Conference, Miami won which puts them ahead of Ohio End of Story !!!

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OhioBobcat
11/24/2018 12:03 AM
Gman wrote:expand_more
First off, if you're going to complain, at least get the facts straight. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East, not third. Yes Miami beat Ohio and also finished 6-2 in the East, but Ohio and Miami tied for second. When it comes to conference standings, it's simply based off order of finish concerning wins and losses. Tie-breakers do not affect the order in conference standings. Both teams finished tied for second at 6-2, period.
First Off... we did in all reality finish 3RD Place in the MAC East, If you want to say we Tied for 2nd to make it sound better so be but the REALITY of it all is .....we finished 3rd place in the MAC East. End of Story !!!
The "reality?" Do you understand how you just proved yourself wrong with that word and example??? The "REALITY" is that Ohio did indeed finish tied for second. The NCAA, MAC, Ohio, etc all acknowledge that Ohio finished tied for second - because it did, It's a fact. Clearly you do not understand what conference standings mean or how they're determined. Yes, the team which Ohio finished tied with was Miami, which beat Ohio head-to-head, but that doesn't make Miami second and Ohio third, They are BOTH second. Period, End of story. I understand the angle you're taking, but it is incorrect no matter how you try and justify it. Had UB lost today, Ohio would have finished in a three-way tie for first. Miami would have gone to Detroit because a tie-breaker would have been needed to determine who played in the MACC, but all three teams would have STILL been tied for first. Miami would not have finished in front of UB or OU. Understand now??? It's not very difficult to comprehend.
Seed the East right now 1. Buffalo 2. Miami 3. Ohio <<<<< 3rd we ended up 3rd in the East that's why you have all these Tiebreakers when you have the same records, Where I come from if there is 2 teams ahead of you, then you are in 3rd place. There is NO Ties that's why Conference's have Tiebreakers, You are the one that's not getting it !!!
I'm not even going to waste any more time trying to explain this to you because you clearly do not get in and cannot understand. It's obviously going right over your head. Do yourself a favor, on Monday, walk into the Ohio Media Relations Office and politely ask the Ohio football contact, Mike Ashcraft, to explain this difficult-to-understand process to you. It will save you from any further embarrassment on here with each post you make about it. You can thank me later.

P.S. - Make sure to bring something along for Mike for the headache you're going to leave him with following your discussion.
I'm not a bit embarrassed but you can say it slice it anyway you want Ohio ended up 3rd in the MAC East due to Buffalo and Miami finishing ahead of them, So I suggest you call Mike and set up ya own appointment.
Buffalo finished 7-1, Ohio and Miami finished TIED at 6-2. That means ONE, not two, teams finish in front of Ohio in the standings. Got it??? Further, there is no "seeding" in the conference standings either, so I don't know where that "logic" came from??? It not applicable here.
Are you really that stupid ? Buffalo 7-1 Miami 6-2 & Ohio 6-2 Lets say Buffalo would of lost to BG, then Miami would of went to MAC Championship instead of Ohio why ? because even though Ohio & Miami had 6-2 records Miami owned the Tie-Breaker over Ohio both of them 6-2 don't mean squat Just because you have the same record there is other factors that figure in to separate teams and those factors figured in Ohio finishing 3rd in the end.
Nope, no, you're wrong again. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East. Period. End of story. It's a FACT and one that can't and won't ever change no matter how you want to look at it or slice it. I understand the point you're trying to make, I honesty do, but it's simply not applicable here whatsoever. UB finished first, OU & MU finished tied for second. I'm honestly done trying to explain it any more because it's useless. Please, PLEASE, just do yourself a huge favor and pay Mike a visit.
Gonna make this very very easy for YOU to understand. I want you to fill in all 3 places after all the factors and Tie-Breakers are figured in, hmmmm Ohio is in the 3rd spot if you figured right, Even tho Miami & Ohio are 6-2 there is NO ties in Conference, Miami won which puts them ahead of Ohio End of Story !!!

MAC East Division

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Mike is waiting on ya call !!!
MAC East Division

1. Buffalo 7-1
t-2. Ohio (6-2)
t-2. Miami (6-2)

There ARE ties in conference standings. It happens all the time. This this is not a unique situation. Look over at the MAC West, there was a 3-way tie for second with EMU, UT and WMU. There are not tie-breakers in the conference "standings." The mere definition of a tie when referenced in sports is a matching score, placement or finish. A tie-breaker is used to determine which team would advance to further play - if applicable - based on a tie-breaking procedure. But it still does not change the order of the conference standings.
Last Edited: 11/24/2018 12:11:56 AM by OhioBobcat
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oubobcatjohn
11/24/2018 1:35 AM
Bobcats had second best overall record in the MAC at 8-4. Bobcats also played a difficult schedule with road games vs Virginia, Cincinnati, NIU and Miami. Bobcats were perfect at Peden Stadium. They won the games the should have and lost the games they were not favored. Bobcats had big second half leads on Cincinnati and NIU. Virginia and Miami games were games that they fell behind big early and really ran out of time. 8-4 after a 3-3 start is pretty good way to finish. They earned a good bowl game.
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allen
11/24/2018 8:28 AM
This is a medi revolt, congrats to the seniors for winning their last two games. Let’s hope we win a bowl game. We know that you great young men that put in a lot of work, we also know that you know that finishing third in the MAC East does not get you a parade, so please stay engaged with the younger bobcats and help them win a MAC. As to the coaches, these kids were robbed of an opportunity to win a MAC because of sometimes their errors, but mostly your incompetence, lack of preparation, and bad play calling on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. You need to do real after action review with no medi’s invited and come up with some solutions. Go Cats
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Gman
11/24/2018 10:38 AM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
First off, if you're going to complain, at least get the facts straight. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East, not third. Yes Miami beat Ohio and also finished 6-2 in the East, but Ohio and Miami tied for second. When it comes to conference standings, it's simply based off order of finish concerning wins and losses. Tie-breakers do not affect the order in conference standings. Both teams finished tied for second at 6-2, period.
First Off... we did in all reality finish 3RD Place in the MAC East, If you want to say we Tied for 2nd to make it sound better so be but the REALITY of it all is .....we finished 3rd place in the MAC East. End of Story !!!
The "reality?" Do you understand how you just proved yourself wrong with that word and example??? The "REALITY" is that Ohio did indeed finish tied for second. The NCAA, MAC, Ohio, etc all acknowledge that Ohio finished tied for second - because it did, It's a fact. Clearly you do not understand what conference standings mean or how they're determined. Yes, the team which Ohio finished tied with was Miami, which beat Ohio head-to-head, but that doesn't make Miami second and Ohio third, They are BOTH second. Period, End of story. I understand the angle you're taking, but it is incorrect no matter how you try and justify it. Had UB lost today, Ohio would have finished in a three-way tie for first. Miami would have gone to Detroit because a tie-breaker would have been needed to determine who played in the MACC, but all three teams would have STILL been tied for first. Miami would not have finished in front of UB or OU. Understand now??? It's not very difficult to comprehend.
Seed the East right now 1. Buffalo 2. Miami 3. Ohio <<<<< 3rd we ended up 3rd in the East that's why you have all these Tiebreakers when you have the same records, Where I come from if there is 2 teams ahead of you, then you are in 3rd place. There is NO Ties that's why Conference's have Tiebreakers, You are the one that's not getting it !!!
I'm not even going to waste any more time trying to explain this to you because you clearly do not get in and cannot understand. It's obviously going right over your head. Do yourself a favor, on Monday, walk into the Ohio Media Relations Office and politely ask the Ohio football contact, Mike Ashcraft, to explain this difficult-to-understand process to you. It will save you from any further embarrassment on here with each post you make about it. You can thank me later.

P.S. - Make sure to bring something along for Mike for the headache you're going to leave him with following your discussion.
I'm not a bit embarrassed but you can say it slice it anyway you want Ohio ended up 3rd in the MAC East due to Buffalo and Miami finishing ahead of them, So I suggest you call Mike and set up ya own appointment.
Buffalo finished 7-1, Ohio and Miami finished TIED at 6-2. That means ONE, not two, teams finish in front of Ohio in the standings. Got it??? Further, there is no "seeding" in the conference standings either, so I don't know where that "logic" came from??? It not applicable here.
Are you really that stupid ? Buffalo 7-1 Miami 6-2 & Ohio 6-2 Lets say Buffalo would of lost to BG, then Miami would of went to MAC Championship instead of Ohio why ? because even though Ohio & Miami had 6-2 records Miami owned the Tie-Breaker over Ohio both of them 6-2 don't mean squat Just because you have the same record there is other factors that figure in to separate teams and those factors figured in Ohio finishing 3rd in the end.
Nope, no, you're wrong again. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East. Period. End of story. It's a FACT and one that can't and won't ever change no matter how you want to look at it or slice it. I understand the point you're trying to make, I honesty do, but it's simply not applicable here whatsoever. UB finished first, OU & MU finished tied for second. I'm honestly done trying to explain it any more because it's useless. Please, PLEASE, just do yourself a huge favor and pay Mike a visit.
Gonna make this very very easy for YOU to understand. I want you to fill in all 3 places after all the factors and Tie-Breakers are figured in, hmmmm Ohio is in the 3rd spot if you figured right, Even tho Miami & Ohio are 6-2 there is NO ties in Conference, Miami won which puts them ahead of Ohio End of Story !!!

MAC East Division

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2.
3.

Mike is waiting on ya call !!!
MAC East Division

1. Buffalo 7-1
t-2. Ohio (6-2)
t-2. Miami (6-2)

There ARE ties in conference standings. It happens all the time. This this is not a unique situation. Look over at the MAC West, there was a 3-way tie for second with EMU, UT and WMU. There are not tie-breakers in the conference "standings." The mere definition of a tie when referenced in sports is a matching score, placement or finish. A tie-breaker is used to determine which team would advance to further play - if applicable - based on a tie-breaking procedure. But it still does not change the order of the conference standings.
And you have a college degree ? Miami finished ahead of Ohio in the MAC East due to head to head Miami's win over Ohio, are you really that stupid ? when teams have the same record at the END OF THE SEASON, they use head to head and other factors to determine the order. So Ohio ended up 3rd in the East. Behind Buffalo & Miami.
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bobcat2nc
11/24/2018 11:06 AM
This thread reminds me of why I tuned out of BA for a while. Since I dabbled again in pointless arguments, I will probably next start watching Steve A Smith again.
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giacomo
11/24/2018 2:21 PM
Where are the clowns? Send in the clowns. Don't bother, they're here.
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OhioBobcat
11/24/2018 2:36 PM
Gman wrote:expand_more
First off, if you're going to complain, at least get the facts straight. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East, not third. Yes Miami beat Ohio and also finished 6-2 in the East, but Ohio and Miami tied for second. When it comes to conference standings, it's simply based off order of finish concerning wins and losses. Tie-breakers do not affect the order in conference standings. Both teams finished tied for second at 6-2, period.
First Off... we did in all reality finish 3RD Place in the MAC East, If you want to say we Tied for 2nd to make it sound better so be but the REALITY of it all is .....we finished 3rd place in the MAC East. End of Story !!!
The "reality?" Do you understand how you just proved yourself wrong with that word and example??? The "REALITY" is that Ohio did indeed finish tied for second. The NCAA, MAC, Ohio, etc all acknowledge that Ohio finished tied for second - because it did, It's a fact. Clearly you do not understand what conference standings mean or how they're determined. Yes, the team which Ohio finished tied with was Miami, which beat Ohio head-to-head, but that doesn't make Miami second and Ohio third, They are BOTH second. Period, End of story. I understand the angle you're taking, but it is incorrect no matter how you try and justify it. Had UB lost today, Ohio would have finished in a three-way tie for first. Miami would have gone to Detroit because a tie-breaker would have been needed to determine who played in the MACC, but all three teams would have STILL been tied for first. Miami would not have finished in front of UB or OU. Understand now??? It's not very difficult to comprehend.
Seed the East right now 1. Buffalo 2. Miami 3. Ohio <<<<< 3rd we ended up 3rd in the East that's why you have all these Tiebreakers when you have the same records, Where I come from if there is 2 teams ahead of you, then you are in 3rd place. There is NO Ties that's why Conference's have Tiebreakers, You are the one that's not getting it !!!
I'm not even going to waste any more time trying to explain this to you because you clearly do not get in and cannot understand. It's obviously going right over your head. Do yourself a favor, on Monday, walk into the Ohio Media Relations Office and politely ask the Ohio football contact, Mike Ashcraft, to explain this difficult-to-understand process to you. It will save you from any further embarrassment on here with each post you make about it. You can thank me later.

P.S. - Make sure to bring something along for Mike for the headache you're going to leave him with following your discussion.
I'm not a bit embarrassed but you can say it slice it anyway you want Ohio ended up 3rd in the MAC East due to Buffalo and Miami finishing ahead of them, So I suggest you call Mike and set up ya own appointment.
Buffalo finished 7-1, Ohio and Miami finished TIED at 6-2. That means ONE, not two, teams finish in front of Ohio in the standings. Got it??? Further, there is no "seeding" in the conference standings either, so I don't know where that "logic" came from??? It not applicable here.
Are you really that stupid ? Buffalo 7-1 Miami 6-2 & Ohio 6-2 Lets say Buffalo would of lost to BG, then Miami would of went to MAC Championship instead of Ohio why ? because even though Ohio & Miami had 6-2 records Miami owned the Tie-Breaker over Ohio both of them 6-2 don't mean squat Just because you have the same record there is other factors that figure in to separate teams and those factors figured in Ohio finishing 3rd in the end.
Nope, no, you're wrong again. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East. Period. End of story. It's a FACT and one that can't and won't ever change no matter how you want to look at it or slice it. I understand the point you're trying to make, I honesty do, but it's simply not applicable here whatsoever. UB finished first, OU & MU finished tied for second. I'm honestly done trying to explain it any more because it's useless. Please, PLEASE, just do yourself a huge favor and pay Mike a visit.
Gonna make this very very easy for YOU to understand. I want you to fill in all 3 places after all the factors and Tie-Breakers are figured in, hmmmm Ohio is in the 3rd spot if you figured right, Even tho Miami & Ohio are 6-2 there is NO ties in Conference, Miami won which puts them ahead of Ohio End of Story !!!

MAC East Division

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2.
3.

Mike is waiting on ya call !!!
MAC East Division

1. Buffalo 7-1
t-2. Ohio (6-2)
t-2. Miami (6-2)

There ARE ties in conference standings. It happens all the time. This this is not a unique situation. Look over at the MAC West, there was a 3-way tie for second with EMU, UT and WMU. There are not tie-breakers in the conference "standings." The mere definition of a tie when referenced in sports is a matching score, placement or finish. A tie-breaker is used to determine which team would advance to further play - if applicable - based on a tie-breaking procedure. But it still does not change the order of the conference standings.
And you have a college degree ? Miami finished ahead of Ohio in the MAC East due to head to head Miami's win over Ohio, are you really that stupid ? when teams have the same record at the END OF THE SEASON, they use head to head and other factors to determine the order. So Ohio ended up 3rd in the East. Behind Buffalo & Miami.
No, you're wrong, again, that is not at all how it's done at all. I'm literally laughing out loud at someone repeatedly calling me stupid while trying to prove an incorrect point. I bet your eyes must be burning when you look at conference standings.
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Buck.Cat
11/25/2018 1:42 AM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
First off, if you're going to complain, at least get the facts straight. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East, not third. Yes Miami beat Ohio and also finished 6-2 in the East, but Ohio and Miami tied for second. When it comes to conference standings, it's simply based off order of finish concerning wins and losses. Tie-breakers do not affect the order in conference standings. Both teams finished tied for second at 6-2, period. [/QUOTE]Laugh out loud!

Would you prefer 4-8 ? 'Cause that's what we had before Frank.
Exactly! As soon as you see complaints about going 8-4, you know immediately how long certain fans have been following Ohio football. There were days not long ago that an 8-4 season seemed a million miles away. Those who know the history of this program and where it has come from can appreciate a good season instead of bashing one.
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This post made my day. You know watching them win bothered this guy.
I would prefer for Frank to win a MAC championship someday but that is just having unreasonably minimum expectations I suppose.
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Bobcat1998
11/25/2018 7:40 AM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
First off, if you're going to complain, at least get the facts straight. Ohio finished tied for second in the MAC East, not third. Yes Miami beat Ohio and also finished 6-2 in the East, but Ohio and Miami tied for second. When it comes to conference standings, it's simply based off order of finish concerning wins and losses. Tie-breakers do not affect the order in conference standings. Both teams finished tied for second at 6-2, period.
Laugh out loud!

Would you prefer 4-8 ? 'Cause that's what we had before Frank.
Exactly! As soon as you see complaints about going 8-4, you know immediately how long certain fans have been following Ohio football. There were days not long ago that an 8-4 season seemed a million miles away. Those who know the history of this program and where it has come from can appreciate a good season instead of bashing one.
This post made my day. You know watching them win bothered this guy.
I would prefer for Frank to win a MAC championship someday but that is just having unreasonably minimum expectations I suppose.
I went to OU in 1994. We were awful and we stayed awful for a bit until Frank came. Then he led our Renaissance and I rejoiced and loved every minute of it. As the 14 years have gone by I have watched Northern stay as consistent as us yet win MAC titles. I have watched Miami and BG win MAC titles. I have seen our men's hoops win titles. Do not say we are anything less than fans because we are people who want to reach the apex. You can be content with "very good" every year and that is fine. Some of us are ready for "excellence" and getting to the top. 2nd or 3rd does not matter. We, yet again, will not be champs.
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Bcat2
11/25/2018 8:05 PM
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This is a medi revolt, congrats to the seniors for winning their last two games. Let’s hope we win a bowl game. We know that you great young men that put in a lot of work, we also know that you know that finishing third in the MAC East does not get you a parade, so please stay engaged with the younger bobcats and help them win a MAC. As to the coaches, these kids were robbed of an opportunity to win a MAC because of sometimes their errors, but mostly your incompetence, lack of preparation, and bad play calling on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. You need to do real after action review with no medi’s invited and come up with some solutions. Go Cats
I would love to gather the seniors for allen to inform them of his low regard for their coaches. Together those seniors and coaches have orchestrated a truly fine season. End of season MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in scoring, total offense, rushing offense, pass efficiency, interceptions, punting, PAT kicking, first downs, third down conversions, fourth down conversions and turnover margin. They ranked #2 in five other statistical areas. I am impressed by all this because I believe there is some really fine coaching in the MAC; Toledo, Buffalo, NIU, WMU, Miami and BSU. Guess that statistical dominance was dumb luck given the Ohio coach's incompetence, lack of preparation and bad play calling. We can only hope allen will storm the AD's office, demand he replace coach Solich and rescue the team from the current coaching incompetence.
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allen
11/25/2018 8:58 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
This is a medi revolt, congrats to the seniors for winning their last two games. Let’s hope we win a bowl game. We know that you great young men that put in a lot of work, we also know that you know that finishing third in the MAC East does not get you a parade, so please stay engaged with the younger bobcats and help them win a MAC. As to the coaches, these kids were robbed of an opportunity to win a MAC because of sometimes their errors, but mostly your incompetence, lack of preparation, and bad play calling on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. You need to do real after action review with no medi’s invited and come up with some solutions. Go Cats
I would love to gather the seniors for allen to inform them of his low regard for their coaches. Together those seniors and coaches have orchestrated a truly fine season. End of season MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in scoring, total offense, rushing offense, pass efficiency, interceptions, punting, PAT kicking, first downs, third down conversions, fourth down conversions and turnover margin. They ranked #2 in five other statistical areas. I am impressed by all this because I believe there is some really fine coaching in the MAC; Toledo, Buffalo, NIU, WMU, Miami and BSU. Guess that statistical dominance was dumb luck given the Ohio coach's incompetence, lack of preparation and bad play calling. We can only hope allen will storm the AD's office, demand he replace coach Solich and rescue the team from the current coaching incompetence.
Everybody picked Ohio to win the MAC this year and we fell short again because of inconsistency, poor tackling and poor coverage, so yes coach Solich needs to make some adjustments because his goal is to be a perennial contender and win the MAC and be in the top 25, he doesn’t want a parade for going 8-4. He would not approve of emotional Stan’s trying to turn players against fans to protect him. Nice try, divide and conquer medi style
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Bcat2
11/25/2018 10:20 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
This is a medi revolt, congrats to the seniors for winning their last two games. Let’s hope we win a bowl game. We know that you great young men that put in a lot of work, we also know that you know that finishing third in the MAC East does not get you a parade, so please stay engaged with the younger bobcats and help them win a MAC. As to the coaches, these kids were robbed of an opportunity to win a MAC because of sometimes their errors, but mostly your incompetence, lack of preparation, and bad play calling on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. You need to do real after action review with no medi’s invited and come up with some solutions. Go Cats
I would love to gather the seniors for allen to inform them of his low regard for their coaches. Together those seniors and coaches have orchestrated a truly fine season. End of season MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in scoring, total offense, rushing offense, pass efficiency, interceptions, punting, PAT kicking, first downs, third down conversions, fourth down conversions and turnover margin. They ranked #2 in five other statistical areas. I am impressed by all this because I believe there is some really fine coaching in the MAC; Toledo, Buffalo, NIU, WMU, Miami and BSU. Guess that statistical dominance was dumb luck given the Ohio coach's incompetence, lack of preparation and bad play calling. We can only hope allen will storm the AD's office, demand he replace coach Solich and rescue the team from the current coaching incompetence.
Everybody picked Ohio to win the MAC this year and we fell short again because of inconsistency, poor tackling and poor coverage, so yes coach Solich needs to make some adjustments because his goal is to be a perennial contender and win the MAC and be in the top 25, he doesn’t want a parade for going 8-4. He would not approve of emotional Stan’s trying to turn players against fans to protect him. Nice try, divide and conquer medi style
This is rich. allen the emotional fan makes an address to seniors deriding their coaches. allen the divider in chief. Clearly coach Solich needs no protection. Oh, there is no one suggesting/talking parade, save allen. allen, stop digging, every time you post, your hole gets deeper.
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TWT
11/25/2018 10:21 PM
Let this sink in for a moment, Ohio was 6-0 at home and averaged 52 points per game while doing it. They came up short of winning the championship but they destroyed MAC foes this season. Five of the eight MAC games were high octane destruction. Three others were close within a FG and the Cats ended 1-2 in those. They didn't let anyone run them off the field regardless of a slow start in a couple of games. Its unbelievable to be this good and not make it to the MACC but I think the program is showing potential beyond what was thought possible.
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TWT
11/25/2018 10:26 PM
If going by the Monroe Slavin test: either win the MAC or get very, very close Ohio passes that test. The last two years were very close too. In 2016 Ohio was 35 yards away from putting in the winning score to beat WMU and seal a MACC. If the goal is to stay in range of the Top 2 of the MAC the program has been there the last 3 years.
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allen
11/26/2018 6:52 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
This is a medi revolt, congrats to the seniors for winning their last two games. Let’s hope we win a bowl game. We know that you great young men that put in a lot of work, we also know that you know that finishing third in the MAC East does not get you a parade, so please stay engaged with the younger bobcats and help them win a MAC. As to the coaches, these kids were robbed of an opportunity to win a MAC because of sometimes their errors, but mostly your incompetence, lack of preparation, and bad play calling on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. You need to do real after action review with no medi’s invited and come up with some solutions. Go Cats
I would love to gather the seniors for allen to inform them of his low regard for their coaches. Together those seniors and coaches have orchestrated a truly fine season. End of season MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in scoring, total offense, rushing offense, pass efficiency, interceptions, punting, PAT kicking, first downs, third down conversions, fourth down conversions and turnover margin. They ranked #2 in five other statistical areas. I am impressed by all this because I believe there is some really fine coaching in the MAC; Toledo, Buffalo, NIU, WMU, Miami and BSU. Guess that statistical dominance was dumb luck given the Ohio coach's incompetence, lack of preparation and bad play calling. We can only hope allen will storm the AD's office, demand he replace coach Solich and rescue the team from the current coaching incompetence.
Everybody picked Ohio to win the MAC this year and we fell short again because of inconsistency, poor tackling and poor coverage, so yes coach Solich needs to make some adjustments because his goal is to be a perennial contender and win the MAC and be in the top 25, he doesn’t want a parade for going 8-4. He would not approve of emotional Stan’s trying to turn players against fans to protect him. Nice try, divide and conquer medi style
This is rich. allen the emotional fan makes an address to seniors deriding their coaches. allen the divider in chief. Clearly coach Solich needs no protection. Oh, there is no one suggesting/talking parade, save allen. allen, stop digging, every time you post, your hole gets deeper.
You are the one putting me before the players and misconstruing my message. That is your emotional attachment to Solich, heck I like him too. He said his goal is to win championships and finish near the top 25 (his words), why would anybody congratulate him and dance around their living room because he went 8-4. Now let’s disgust emotions, why would somebody take my message and imagine me storming in before the players and firing all the coaches, the correlation is very negative. Either the person is not rational or they are overly emotional, possibly head over heels in love. Back to my post, the coaches need to address the lack of preparation at times, the poor tackling, off and one play calling and poor coverage. As far as dividing, you have to learn how to separate emotions from facts, it’s ok to want to win. This is not little league where each week a different parent brings the juice boxes.
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11/26/2018 7:56 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
This is a medi revolt, congrats to the seniors for winning their last two games. Let’s hope we win a bowl game. We know that you great young men that put in a lot of work, we also know that you know that finishing third in the MAC East does not get you a parade, so please stay engaged with the younger bobcats and help them win a MAC. As to the coaches, these kids were robbed of an opportunity to win a MAC because of sometimes their errors, but mostly your incompetence, lack of preparation, and bad play calling on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. You need to do real after action review with no medi’s invited and come up with some solutions. Go Cats
I would love to gather the seniors for allen to inform them of his low regard for their coaches. Together those seniors and coaches have orchestrated a truly fine season. End of season MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in scoring, total offense, rushing offense, pass efficiency, interceptions, punting, PAT kicking, first downs, third down conversions, fourth down conversions and turnover margin. They ranked #2 in five other statistical areas. I am impressed by all this because I believe there is some really fine coaching in the MAC; Toledo, Buffalo, NIU, WMU, Miami and BSU. Guess that statistical dominance was dumb luck given the Ohio coach's incompetence, lack of preparation and bad play calling. We can only hope allen will storm the AD's office, demand he replace coach Solich and rescue the team from the current coaching incompetence.
Everybody picked Ohio to win the MAC this year and we fell short again because of inconsistency, poor tackling and poor coverage, so yes coach Solich needs to make some adjustments because his goal is to be a perennial contender and win the MAC and be in the top 25, he doesn’t want a parade for going 8-4. He would not approve of emotional Stan’s trying to turn players against fans to protect him. Nice try, divide and conquer medi style
This is rich. allen the emotional fan makes an address to seniors deriding their coaches. allen the divider in chief. Clearly coach Solich needs no protection. Oh, there is no one suggesting/talking parade, save allen. allen, stop digging, every time you post, your hole gets deeper.
You are the one putting me before the players and misconstruing my message. That is your emotional attachment to Solich, heck I like him too. He said his goal is to win championships and finish near the top 25 (his words), why would anybody congratulate him and dance around their living room because he went 8-4. Now let’s disgust emotions, why would somebody take my message and imagine me storming in before the players and firing all the coaches, the correlation is very negative. Either the person is not rational or they are overly emotional, possibly head over heels in love. Back to my post, the coaches need to address the lack of preparation at times, the poor tackling, off and one play calling and poor coverage. As far as dividing, you have to learn how to separate emotions from facts, it’s ok to want to win. This is not little league where each week a different parent brings the juice boxes.
allen. You have done this before. Posted something and when called on it admitted you wished you had not. What you posted originally was the coaches were "incompetent." Now you are on issues "at times" and "off and on." About your concerns needing addressed, I submit Oho's 5-1 run in the final six games as evidence that these "incompetent" coaches are constantly addressing issues. Surely they do appreciate your 20/20 hindsight.
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Andrew Ruck
11/26/2018 8:33 AM
I'm just wondering if OhioBobcat and/or Gman extend their record-breaking quote streak. That last one was to the 12th degree and was a thing of beauty. Got me wondering if Ryan Carey has a cap on sub-quotes.
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11/26/2018 9:14 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
This is a medi revolt, congrats to the seniors for winning their last two games. Let’s hope we win a bowl game. We know that you great young men that put in a lot of work, we also know that you know that finishing third in the MAC East does not get you a parade, so please stay engaged with the younger bobcats and help them win a MAC. As to the coaches, these kids were robbed of an opportunity to win a MAC because of sometimes their errors, but mostly your incompetence, lack of preparation, and bad play calling on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. You need to do real after action review with no medi’s invited and come up with some solutions. Go Cats
I would love to gather the seniors for allen to inform them of his low regard for their coaches. Together those seniors and coaches have orchestrated a truly fine season. End of season MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in scoring, total offense, rushing offense, pass efficiency, interceptions, punting, PAT kicking, first downs, third down conversions, fourth down conversions and turnover margin. They ranked #2 in five other statistical areas. I am impressed by all this because I believe there is some really fine coaching in the MAC; Toledo, Buffalo, NIU, WMU, Miami and BSU. Guess that statistical dominance was dumb luck given the Ohio coach's incompetence, lack of preparation and bad play calling. We can only hope allen will storm the AD's office, demand he replace coach Solich and rescue the team from the current coaching incompetence.
Everybody picked Ohio to win the MAC this year and we fell short again because of inconsistency, poor tackling and poor coverage, so yes coach Solich needs to make some adjustments because his goal is to be a perennial contender and win the MAC and be in the top 25, he doesn’t want a parade for going 8-4. He would not approve of emotional Stan’s trying to turn players against fans to protect him. Nice try, divide and conquer medi style
This is rich. allen the emotional fan makes an address to seniors deriding their coaches. allen the divider in chief. Clearly coach Solich needs no protection. Oh, there is no one suggesting/talking parade, save allen. allen, stop digging, every time you post, your hole gets deeper.
You are the one putting me before the players and misconstruing my message. That is your emotional attachment to Solich, heck I like him too. He said his goal is to win championships and finish near the top 25 (his words), why would anybody congratulate him and dance around their living room because he went 8-4. Now let’s disgust emotions, why would somebody take my message and imagine me storming in before the players and firing all the coaches, the correlation is very negative. Either the person is not rational or they are overly emotional, possibly head over heels in love. Back to my post, the coaches need to address the lack of preparation at times, the poor tackling, off and one play calling and poor coverage. As far as dividing, you have to learn how to separate emotions from facts, it’s ok to want to win. This is not little league where each week a different parent brings the juice boxes.
allen. You have done this before. Posted something and when called on it admitted you wished you had not. What you posted originally was the coaches were "incompetent." Now you are on issues "at times" and "off and on." About your concerns needing addressed, I submit Oho's 5-1 run in the final six games as evidence that these "incompetent" coaches are constantly addressing issues. Surely they do appreciate your 20/20 hindsight.
Incompetent at times, FS is fine, his coordinators needs to be addressed. The play calling was great after the Miami game. The face guarding and poor tackling has been an issue for the last two years and it costs us four games and a chance to play for the MAC Chaampionship, these are facts. Your 5-1 moral victory is a defense mechanism to avoid dealing with the problems. Have I posted things that I regretted in the past, I certainly have. You being my nemesis is causing you to ignore the issues. I tell again, I was wrong about something else, it’s not your head over heals love for FS causing you to be emotional. It is me, I own a a lot of space in your head. You follow my post and refute them with lies. It’s me lol, I will auction the space off on eBay.
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11/26/2018 11:04 AM
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Let this sink in for a moment, Ohio was 6-0 at home and averaged 52 points per game while doing it. They came up short of winning the championship but they destroyed MAC foes this season. Five of the eight MAC games were high octane destruction. Three others were close within a FG and the Cats ended 1-2 in those. They didn't let anyone run them off the field regardless of a slow start in a couple of games. Its unbelievable to be this good and not make it to the MACC but I think the program is showing potential beyond what was thought possible.
Actually ... they averaged 49 points per game in going 6-0 at home.

Regardless ...

The fact that 5 of 8 MAC games were absolute annihilation is why the other three are incredibly puzzling? But I get it ... teams have off-days/nights and stuff happens.

But what's most puzzling is the way in which it happened in two of those games. You can toss the Kent game into the "they just had an off-day" bucket. But they overcame it and won.

The NIU and Miami losses are really, really tough to swallow. 14-point 4th quarter lead at NIU ... poof! I think you can definitely point the finger at coaching in that one. You just cannot let that kind of lead evaporate. They continued to try and run the ball into the teeth of the NIU defense in the 4th quarter when it was obvious it was not working. Ouellette had 11 carries for 16 yards in that game ... by far his worst game maybe of his career at Ohio. And you just can't let their QB run wild on you when you know that is their best source of offense. Very little adjustments made in that 4th quarter after playing solid football for three quarters. That loss stings.

But not as much as the Miami game. That loss ultimately cost them the East title. There is certainly blame to go around. A big share goes to the MAC for their absolute trash philosophy on scheduling. Miami had 8 days between games ... Ohio had 6. What a way to decide a league champion! But scheduling aside, to come out and drive the ball down the field on the first drive for a TD and then go silent on offense the rest of the half was tough to watch? Any adjustments? Not until halftime when they came out and moved the ball up and down the field. It was the reverse on defense .... four straight Miami drives where they looked like the LA Rams in the 1H ... and Ohio did little to adjust. But after the half, thanks in large part to Miami going into prevent mode, they shut them down.

Once again, in a huge November spot with the MAC East on the line, Ohio didn't do what needed to be done to win. 2010 vs. Kent ... 2012 BG, Ball, Kent ... 2013 UB, BG, Kent ... 2017 vs. Akron ... almost 2016 vs. Akron ...

November's have not been great for the Solich era

2018 3-1 (loss cost them MAC East)
2017 1-2 (loss cost them MAC East)
2016 2-1 (9-3 win over Akron in finale ... barely enough to win MAC East)
2015 3-1
2014 2-1
2013 1-3 (played themselves out of MAC East)
2012 1-3 (played themselves out of MAC East)
2011 4-0 (MAC East Champs)
2010 2-1 (loss cost them MAC East)
2009 3-0 (MAC East Champs)
2008 2-1
2007 2-1
2006 3-0 (MAC East Champs)
2005 0-3

Total: 29-18 in November

A closer look ... in season's where they were out of running for MAC (2005, 2007, 2008, 2014, 2015) ... 9-7

So in years when MAC East is on the line, Ohio is 20-11 in November ... win percentage of 63%

Break that down even further ... opponents records in each November

2018 (W 7-5, L 6-6, W 10-2, W 4-7)
2017 (W 11-3, L 7-7, L 6-6)
2016* (W 2-10, L 6-7, W 5-7)
2015 (L 10-4, W 3-9, W 3-9, W 8-6)
2014 (W 5-6, L 11-2, W 2-10)
2013 (L 10-4, L 8-5, L 4-8, W 1-11)
2012 (W 2-10, L 8-5, L 9-4. L 11-3)
2011* (W 9-4, W 3-9 W 5-7, W 4-8)
2010 (W 2-10, W 8-4, L 5-7)
2009* (W 5-7, W 7-6, W 9-4)
2008 (L 6-6, W 5-7, W 2-10)
2007 (W 4-8, L 4-8, W 6-7)
2006* (W 1-11, W 5-7, W 2-10)
2005 (L 9-3, L 7-6, L 7-4)

So, in November ... Solich is 8-10 vs. teams with winning record and 21-8 vs. teams that finish .500 or worse.

During the MAC East title years (2006, 2009, 2011, 2016)....
vs teams finishing .500 or worse: 9-1
vs. teams with winning records: 3-0
So in those MAC East title years, Ohio only faced 3 teams with winning records out of 13 games in November's home stretch.

During the years where they didn't contend for the MAC East (2005, 2007, 2008, 2014, 2015)...
vs teams finishing .500 or worse: 8-2
vs. teams with winning records: 1-6

During the year when they blew the MAC East (2010, 2012, 2013, 2017, 2018) ...
vs teams finishing .500 or worse: 4-5
vs. teams with winning records: 4-4

So it's pretty simple to see ... Ohio doesn't win the MAC East when they struggle in November. 17-17 in the non-MAC East champion years. 12-1 in the title years.

The years Ohio really let the MAC East slip away, they failed to get the job done against inferior opponents going just 4-5.

Three separate times a loss to a team that finished .500 or less has cost Ohio the MAC East title (2018, 2017, 2010)

That's pretty significant. 7 MAC East titles in 14 years (including back-to-back-to-back from 2009-11) would really had strengthened Solich's legacy ... and quite possibly the trajectory of the program. Ohio had strong teams in 2012 and 2013 and crumbled in November, going 2-6. Wonder if that happens if they're coming off three straight MAC East titles?

That's how close Ohio is to being THE elite team in the MAC East and ultimately the MAC. 0-4 in MACC is the reality. But I doubt it would be 0-7, right? You'd think they would have gotten 1 or 2 if given a few more opportunities?

That's what's frustrating about the program ... they are on the doorstep of dominance in the MAC and just can't climb that last few feet. Instead, they toil around the 3rd or 4th best team in the standings each year ... when in fact, it's obvious to see they are maybe the most talented some years.

I know it's light years better than where they were in the 80s & 90s .... NOBODY is disputing that.

But how many years of being THISclose does it take until some of us are "allowed" to expect Ohio to climb those last few feet?

And to state the obvious ... no player has 14 year of eligibility. Some games you can point to failure to execute on the field. But a 14-year sample size with the same coaching staff in place ... when does some of the accountability fall on them during these November swoons?
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Casper71
11/26/2018 11:17 AM
Newsflash… The mid-American conference Official Standings place Ohio university on the third line in the east standings. If we are tied, why are we not on the same line as Miami? The real answer to this question is all we had to do was beat Miami and we would be in the mid-American conference championship game. While I really did enjoy watching this team this year, the reality is they did not win three close and winnable games which would have made this a magical year! Instead, is just another good year from Ohio 🏈. And, a whole lot better than a lot of the season I watched in the 1970s and 80s And 90s.
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ShoreCat
11/26/2018 11:19 AM
For those of you continuing to bitch about the lack of a MAC championship, you are limiting yourselves to using that as the only measure of success. Is the loss to Miami frustrating? Hell, yeah. But lets look at the bigger picture and expand the definition of a successful program.

1. For the most part, avoids negative news and incidents that embarrass the university and alums-CHECK.

2. Is consistently competitive-CHECK

3. Wins a conference championship-NOPE

4. Gets to the post-season-CHECK

5. Has a fun game day atmosphere-DEBATABLE, although for me, spending an afternoon/evening in Athens is always a pleasure. I could care less if it's sold out or there are 2K in the stands. And thank you for the decision to have Jackie O's on tap.

6. Develops NFL-caliber players-CHECK (and thank you TJ Carrie for another good game for the Browns yesterday).

7. Student athletes graduate-CHECK

Looking at my list, this would look a hell of a lot different pre-Solich (I was there from 1990-1995). There's probably more. Feel free to accuse me of settling for mediocrity.
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Casper71
11/26/2018 11:26 AM
My guess is the number one goal of any mid American conference football team Is to win a Division and play in/win the championship. Those other things, while laudable, are icing on the cake.
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allen
11/26/2018 11:37 AM
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For those of you continuing to bitch about the lack of a MAC championship, you are limiting yourselves to using that as the only measure of success. Is the loss to Miami frustrating? Hell, yeah. But lets look at the bigger picture and expand the definition of a successful program.

1. For the most part, avoids negative news and incidents that embarrass the university and alums-CHECK.

2. Is consistently competitive-CHECK

3. Wins a conference championship-NOPE

4. Gets to the post-season-CHECK

5. Has a fun game day atmosphere-DEBATABLE, although for me, spending an afternoon/evening in Athens is always a pleasure. I could care less if it's sold out or there are 2K in the stands. And thank you for the decision to have Jackie O's on tap.

6. Develops NFL-caliber players-CHECK (and thank you TJ Carrie for another good game for the Browns yesterday).

7. Student athletes graduate-CHECK

Looking at my list, this would look a hell of a lot different pre-Solich (I was there from 1990-1995). There's probably more. Feel free to accuse me of settling for mediocrity.
Other MAC teams have 6 or 7 people in the nfl, with future hall of Famers like Big Ben, AB, Antonio Gates, Khalil Mack and maybe even Julian Edelman. TJ Carrie is a top 25 corner and a great ambassador but he does not substitute for MAC championships and coaching supremacy. We have to get it done, plain and simple. The senior class was great and I wished that they could have left with some hardware. Michigan May fire harbaugh if he doesn’t win the Big Ten next year, this is division one football anc Coach Solich is being paid over $500,000, that is not to pass out Capri Suns and hand out trophies after the game. Let’s go Cats
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OhioStunter
11/26/2018 11:48 AM
BayCat wrote:expand_more
For those of you continuing to bitch about the lack of a MAC championship, you are limiting yourselves to using that as the only measure of success. Is the loss to Miami frustrating? Hell, yeah. But lets look at the bigger picture and expand the definition of a successful program.

1. For the most part, avoids negative news and incidents that embarrass the university and alums-CHECK.

2. Is consistently competitive-CHECK

3. Wins a conference championship-NOPE

4. Gets to the post-season-CHECK

5. Has a fun game day atmosphere-DEBATABLE, although for me, spending an afternoon/evening in Athens is always a pleasure. I could care less if it's sold out or there are 2K in the stands. And thank you for the decision to have Jackie O's on tap.

6. Develops NFL-caliber players-CHECK (and thank you TJ Carrie for another good game for the Browns yesterday).

7. Student athletes graduate-CHECK

Looking at my list, this would look a hell of a lot different pre-Solich (I was there from 1990-1995). There's probably more. Feel free to accuse me of settling for mediocrity.
I think this is the most important post I've read here. We all want the elusive MAC title. But there's also a bigger picture here. And in the end, it won't really affect the type of bowl we're going to.

Lost in this disappointment is how much this Ohio team dominated the conference this year.

-Beating the MAC East champion by 35 points
-In MAC games won, winning by an average of 29 points
-In MAC games lost, losing by an average of 2.5 points
-In all losses, losing by an average of 5.5 points
-In all wins, winning by an average of 25 points
-MAC average per game scoring differential -- 21 points
-The team averaged more than 6 yards per rushing attempt
-Rourke is in the top 15 in the nation in passing efficiency
-Zervos is in the top 25 in scoring
-AJ is in the top 20 in rushing yards
-Irons and Rourke are in the top 20 in yards per carry
-Team is in the top 10 in scoring

Great performances. Came up two points short at Miami. Three points short at NIU. Disappointing.

But I enjoyed the season overall. The guys played well. The coaches coached well. Will enjoy the bowl game and look forward to another good season next year and competing for the MAC title. I hope, for Frank's sake more than anyone else, that we get that.
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