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bshot44
11/29/2018 11:20 AM
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Well said both bshot44 and bobcat695. I agree.

I can remember the 1997-98 season like it was yesterday. It was Jim Grobe's third (3rd) year as HC for the Bobcats. For that matter, I can remember being in Peden during Jim Grobe's first season at Ohio when we beat Illinois State in Week 2 to break a 12 game losing streak during which the previous season we had went 0-11. I remember the students/fans rushing the field as the game ended. I can also remember the feeling of hope that perhaps Ohio now had a chance with a coach that could elevate the program. Back to that 8-3 season during Jim Grobe's third season, I was at Maryland in Week 2 when we beat the Terrapins and then listened to the radio broadcast the next week when we lost but went toe-to-toe with the 20th ranked Kansas State Wildcats losing 20-23. We then went 8-1 until we lost a brawl with Miami and were still in the hunt for the MAC East title when we went to Huntington the final week of the season to play eventual MAC East and MAC Champion Marshall. Actually, that game determined who won the MAC East that year. There was a huge Bobcat presence in the Joan that rainy/snowy cold afternoon. Even the 110 were present and put on a great show. There was also a certain buzz/excitement with Ohio fans realizing that for the first time in decades we were knocking on the door of once again being significant/relevant in football. In short, we had hope. Unfortunately, Marshall played that game with seven (7) players who would go on to play professional football (Chad Pennington, Randy Moss, Doug Chapman, John Wade, Rogers Beckett and John Grace). Even with the loss I left Huntington thinking that Ohio football was back. However more unfortunate was the fact that Jim Grobe left after the next season and then we were got Brian Knoor and the program tanked along with any hope/buzz/excitement about the program. That hope stayed away until 2005 when Ohio hired Frank Solich.

I was in a sold-out and packed Peden on a Friday night when the Bobcats took on Pitt in a nationally televised game on ESPN. WOW pretty much sums up the feeling in the stadium that night, especially after Dion Byrum's pick-six to end the game in OT. I again had the opportunity to watch as the students/fans rushed the field. After that game there was no doubt that hope/buzz/excitement were back amongst the Ohio faithful. I realized that Coach Solich would need time and resources to build the program but thought we finally had our man to take the program to a higher level. Because of that hope, I was willing to give Coach time to get us there and to increase my support for the program. However, after 14 years that hope is gone. As bshot44 is fond of stating, "wash, rinse, repeat". I stated early this season that I no longer have faith that Frank Solich can elevate the program any further. I still have that feeling.


We play in the MAC East which is one of if not the weakest division in FBS football. We also play a watered down schedule which pretty much guarantees at least a six (6), seven (7) or eight (8) win season but no MACC or national ranking.


I posted earlier in another thread figures which showed that Ohio spends the most in the MAC to fund its football program. I have no problem with that and would actually argue for increasing the spending if it would help us get a MACC and perhaps a New Year's day bowl game. After all, two (2) MAC teams have been able to achieve that goal (Western Michigan and Northern Illinois). If they can accomplish that level while spending less than we were/are, then why can we not achieve the same?


I have a feeling that there are other Bobcat faithful who feel the same way. Attendance/season ticket sales are down and are trending further in that direction. Traffic on this Board is down as people tend to stay away. In short and at least for me, hope is gone.


I appreciate what Coach Solich has brought to the program, but I just do no see him and his current staff elevating this program any further. I would have loved to see what Jim Grobe could have done with the resources/support we now throw at the football program.


Just like bobcat 695, not only am I staying away to a great extent from this Board, I am also channeling my giving/support of this program to something else. I dropped my normal season tickets and giving to the OBC this year. I did buy a Family package after listening to a sales pitch from the good people in the ticket office. I did this not because I could not afford my previous level of giving but because I no longer believe or have hope with this program. To me, fourteen (14) years speaks for itself.


Just my $.02.
Sounds like our 1997-98 season was a similar one, ha! I too was at Maryland to see them ruin the debut of "Get on the VanderBus"/Ron Vanderlinden era. Actually watched K-State/OU on some sort of local broadcast in Athens. We had house party on Hocking St and I can still see that 55-yard Grammatica FG to beat us in the end. Sadly, I did not go to Hawaii, ha! But we also did road trips to Akron, EMU and Marshall that year. That Herd game was a lot of fun ... great college atmosphere. But the 22-0 beatdown wasn't as enjoyable. Still, it was a magical year going 8-3. Was the first time we actually tailgated Bobcat football at what is now Tailgreat Park. I can remember telling friends "This is my last year at OU and we've sucked at football for three of them ... I'm tailgating every home game this year no matter what! I want to experience tailgating before I leave Athens" ... so we did. It was great.

A far cry from my freshman year when I was one of those students who rushed the field after the Illinois St win. First time I ever tore down a goal post, ha!

Anyhow ... glad you found some validity in my post.

And one thing I want to point out in your response ... at no point did it say FIRE FRANK. I just want to make that clear. Because you know you'll get the people out there that say "Ok ... you're not happy ... just send your money to the AD so they can fire him"

Clowns.

I don't think anyone is saying FIRE FRANK. I just think there is a groundswell of fans that have accepted this is the peak of the Solich era. A few 9 win bowl seasons sprinkled in with a few MAC title game appearances. Just one in the last 7 years to be exact. But we'll never get over that hump.

Totally respect and appreciate what Frank has done ... and in no way, shape or form thinks the school should fire him. We just accept the reality for what it is.

Others choose to bathe in those glorious 7.5-5.35 waters of 58% success like it's some magical elixir.

So be it.

To each their own.

Either way, I'm still supporting the team as I have for the past 20+ years ... but I too did not buy season tickets this year mainly because of the MAC and their scheduling process. I told the Ohio ticket rep who called me the same thing. I know Ohio has little control on the Saturday home game situation ... but until that's rectified, I can't justify spending money on season tickets when i could only attend two home games this year (was out of town for homecoming). As much as I hate Ohio not scheduling quality out-of-conference home games, I hate the MAC more for ruining college football Saturdays in late October/November.

I have my plane flight and hotel booked for Frisco .... keeping my ever-loving Bobcat fingers crossed that we get the Frisco Bowl.

But who are we kidding ... I just hate Ohio football and I enjoy watching them lose. Well, that's at least the sentiment of some on this glorious message board.
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CafTud
11/29/2018 6:34 PM
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I'm not going to dig too deep in to your ridiculous comparisons of Nebraska football and Ohio football. A team that has won ZERO conference titles in 50 years to a program that has 46 bowl appearances, 18 conference titles, and FIVE national titles in the last 50 years.
Not much of a student of history, but let's dig deep into the here and now:

Athletic revenue (2016-17, http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances /):
Nebraska: $120M (23rd)
OHIO: $32M (93rd)

Current Sagarin ratings:
Nebraska 72.91 (56th)
OHIO 71.35 (62nd)

Record:
Nebraska 4-8
OHIO 8-4

Pending bowl game:
Nebraska: none
OHIO : tba

Coaching turnover:
Nebraska: 4 since Solich left.
OHIO: 0 since Solich arrived.
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bshot44
11/29/2018 7:11 PM
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[QUOTE=Bcat2]


I'm not going to dig too deep in to your ridiculous comparisons of Nebraska football and Ohio football. A team that has won ZERO conference titles in 50 years to a program that has 46 bowl appearances, 18 conference titles, and FIVE national titles in the last 50 years.
Not much of a student of history, but let's dig deep into the here and now:

Athletic revenue (2016-17, http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances /):
Nebraska: $120M (23rd)
OHIO: $32M (93rd)

Current Sagarin ratings:
Nebraska 72.91 (56th)
OHIO 71.35 (62nd)

Record:
Nebraska 4-8
OHIO 8-4

Pending bowl game:
Nebraska: none
OHIO : tba

Coaching turnover:
Nebraska: 4 since Solich left.
OHIO: 0 since Solich arrived.
Attendance
Nebraska: 88000+ every home game (nearly 98% capacity on average)
Ohio: <20000 every home game (well less than 80% capacity on average)

Interest level in Nebraska football is as high as its been since Solich left ... even with a 4-8 season.

Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Attendance down for 4th straight year.

16,229 ... lowest average since 2008 and 2nd lowest of Solich era. And that 2008 team went 4-8.

It's also the largest year-to-year drop in attendance in Solich era ... and this was a team that was preseason conference favorite.

So the buzz .... is almost gone.

Let's keep celebrating the 7.5-5.35 success!
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rpbobcat
11/30/2018 6:43 AM
Last week I had to make a couple of calls to an insurance company in Omaha,Ne.

I hate "scripting",so I ask questions try to get to know something about the people I'm talking to.
(maybe I'm just nosy ?)

Both people I spoke to were "transplants".
One from Az. the other just said the Midwest.

Turns out both follow college sports.

I asked if its true that,if you live in Ne.,you're expected to be a
Cornhusker fan.

Both said "pretty much".

They also said that,except for Nebraska football,there isn't much else going on in fall.

The woman from Arizona also said Nebraska has 2 seasons.
Hot and cold.
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ShoreCat
11/30/2018 9:14 AM
can't the attendance drop at least partially be attributed to the increase in weeknight games? For me, getting from Cleveland to Athens is a hell of lot easier on a Saturday afternoon than a Thursday night. And haven't we discussed that attendance is down across the board for college sports? Hell, even Nick Saban chimed in this year about Bama attendance.

I'll gladly keep celebrating 8 win seasons.

And I'm going to celebrate my weekend tonight by kissing my wife (who rates a 5 out of 10), running a 13 minute mile at the gym, drinking a busch beer and eating dinner at Applebees. How's that for celebrating mediocrity !!
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bshot44
11/30/2018 11:41 AM
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can't the attendance drop at least partially be attributed to the increase in weeknight games? For me, getting from Cleveland to Athens is a hell of lot easier on a Saturday afternoon than a Thursday night. And haven't we discussed that attendance is down across the board for college sports? Hell, even Nick Saban chimed in this year about Bama attendance.

I'll gladly keep celebrating 8 win seasons.

And I'm going to celebrate my weekend tonight by kissing my wife (who rates a 5 out of 10), running a 13 minute mile at the gym, drinking a busch beer and eating dinner at Applebees. How's that for celebrating mediocrity !!
Saturday home attendance this year:

Howard - 18,275
UMass - 19,056
BG - 19,492
Avg - 18941

That's pretty gross. Even homecoming couldn't crack 20K?

2017 Saturday games:

Hampton - 17,501
Kansas - 22,056
CMU - 23,570
Kent - 19,540
Avg - 20666

2016 Saturday games:

Texas St - 23,093
Gardner-Webb - 22,265
BG - 23,077
EMU - 23,566
Avg - 23000

2015 Saturday games:

Marshall - 25,210
SE LA - 22,985
Miami - 25,086
WMU - 22,825
Avg - 24026

We've seen a nearly 5,000 person drop in attendance in Saturday games alone since 2015.

I know CFB attendance is down across the country. At NIU it's down nearly 10K in last five years.

https://www.daily-chronicle.com/lists/2018/01/12/319978f6...

I have no answer for NIU. They win MAC titles ... win West Divisions ... schedule quality out of conference home games. So that is tough.

But for Ohio ... they rarely, if ever, do any of those things. They don't win MAC titles ... won the East division once in 7 years ... do not schedule quality out of conference home games.

So maybe fans have become "bored" with the state of Ohio football and they showing it in the stands? The status quo of FCS, low-level FBS out-of-conference home games coupled with the lack of championships on a division or league level is wearing thin?

And for the record .... NOTHING mediocre about a Busch beer and dinner at Applebee's my friend!
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RSBobcat
12/1/2018 12:11 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
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I'm not going to dig too deep in to your ridiculous comparisons of Nebraska football and Ohio football. A team that has won ZERO conference titles in 50 years to a program that has 46 bowl appearances, 18 conference titles, and FIVE national titles in the last 50 years.
Not much of a student of history, but let's dig deep into the here and now:

Athletic revenue (2016-17, http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances /):
Nebraska: $120M (23rd)
OHIO: $32M (93rd)

Current Sagarin ratings:
Nebraska 72.91 (56th)
OHIO 71.35 (62nd)

Record:
Nebraska 4-8
OHIO 8-4

Pending bowl game:
Nebraska: none
OHIO : tba

Coaching turnover:
Nebraska: 4 since Solich left.
OHIO: 0 since Solich arrived.
Attendance
Nebraska: 88000+ every home game (nearly 98% capacity on average)
Ohio: <20000 every home game (well less than 80% capacity on average)

Interest level in Nebraska football is as high as its been since Solich left ... even with a 4-8 season.

Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Attendance down for 4th straight year.

16,229 ... lowest average since 2008 and 2nd lowest of Solich era. And that 2008 team went 4-8.

It's also the largest year-to-year drop in attendance in Solich era ... and this was a team that was preseason conference favorite.

So the buzz .... is almost gone.

Let's keep celebrating the 7.5-5.35 success!
Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Mr Quantifier - Please Quantify this statement.... (facts please - not conjecture)
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12/1/2018 12:19 AM
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I'm not going to dig too deep in to your ridiculous comparisons of Nebraska football and Ohio football. A team that has won ZERO conference titles in 50 years to a program that has 46 bowl appearances, 18 conference titles, and FIVE national titles in the last 50 years.
Not much of a student of history, but let's dig deep into the here and now:

Athletic revenue (2016-17, http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances /):
Nebraska: $120M (23rd)
OHIO: $32M (93rd)

Current Sagarin ratings:
Nebraska 72.91 (56th)
OHIO 71.35 (62nd)

Record:
Nebraska 4-8
OHIO 8-4

Pending bowl game:
Nebraska: none
OHIO : tba

Coaching turnover:
Nebraska: 4 since Solich left.
OHIO: 0 since Solich arrived.
Attendance
Nebraska: 88000+ every home game (nearly 98% capacity on average)
Ohio: <20000 every home game (well less than 80% capacity on average)

Interest level in Nebraska football is as high as its been since Solich left ... even with a 4-8 season.

Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Attendance down for 4th straight year.

16,229 ... lowest average since 2008 and 2nd lowest of Solich era. And that 2008 team went 4-8.

It's also the largest year-to-year drop in attendance in Solich era ... and this was a team that was preseason conference favorite.

So the buzz .... is almost gone.

Let's keep celebrating the 7.5-5.35 success!
Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Mr Quantifier - Please Quantify this statement.... (facts please - not conjecture)
And please include how many are there in Nebraska to see the opponent as much as they are to see the Huskers...as well as what else is there to do there for entertainment...(if it's an tO$SU game at least 20% are Bucknuts, just to mention one Big10 opponent)
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RSBobcat
12/1/2018 12:22 AM
I think I saw about 2,000 cars on the highway the other day all backed up and slow driving past a not bad wreck. Therefore that wreck is a Huge Popularity success? Logic.....
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bshot44
12/1/2018 9:36 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Mr Quantifier - Please Quantify this statement.... (facts please - not conjecture)
Ummm? This factual enough for you?

As I stated before, attendance down for 4th straight year.

16,229 ... lowest average since 2008 and 2nd lowest of Solich era. And that 2008 team went 4-8.

It's also the largest year-to-year drop in attendance in Solich era.

Fans aren't coming like they were in previous years.

"Bottoming out" may have been an overdramatic choice of words ... I'll give you that. But the essence of my point was interest is fading.
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ou79
12/1/2018 2:00 PM
Using the figures for Saturday games only at Peden posted above by bshot44, a trend clearly emerges. In 2018 the opponent/attendance figures for the Saturday games are as follows:

Howard 18,275
UMass 19,056
Bowling Green 19,492

Average 18,941

The 2015 opponent/attendance figures for Saturday games were as follows:

Marshall 25,210
SE Louisiana 22,984
Miami 25,086
WMU 22,825

Average 24,026

Comparing the 2018 average to the 2015 average, one can see that in a span of 4 years attendance has dropped by 22%. In addition thereto this drop in attendance has been a steady drop and not a 1 time event. The average attendance for Saturday games in 2016 was 23,000 which amounts to basically a 9.5% drop. The next year, 2017 the average attendance for Saturday games was 20,666 which represents a 14% drop from 2015. And finally, for 2018 we have a 22% drop. In the business world those numbers are both discomforting and concerning. At the current pace based upon the past 4 years, we have a serious trend occurring in attendance. Sadly, the smallest attendance for a Saturday game in 2015 (WMU 22,825) is far in excess of the largest attendance for a Saturday game in 2018 (BGSU/Homecoming 19,492). Not good at all.
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Bcat2
12/1/2018 3:22 PM
Last year NIU sold 11.3K tickets per home game. NIU purchased back tickets to have the NCAA minimum of 15K per game in order to meet a bowl standard. I assume Ohio must meet the same standard. Has anyone else heard of this?
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Buck.Cat
12/1/2018 11:57 PM
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And I'm going to celebrate my weekend tonight by kissing my wife (who rates a 5 out of 10)
Let’s be honest, a 5 is being generous.
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bshot44
12/2/2018 12:10 AM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
And I'm going to celebrate my weekend tonight by kissing my wife (who rates a 5 out of 10)
Let’s be honest, a 5 is being generous.
SHOTS FIRED! 🤣🤣🤣
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Husker Fan in Columbus
12/2/2018 9:36 PM
Hello everyone. I’m a Husker fan living in Columbus. Our family has lived in OH since 1991. My sister is a graduate of Ohio University. I did my undergrad at a rival MAC school, BGSU.

From a Nebraska perspective he continues to remain a polarizing head coach amongst our fanbase. Frank is a good coach. Unfortunately for him he had to replace the best coach in Nebraska history. From what I’ve read here folks seem to have a mixed opinion on him. He has won a lot of games for the Bobcats although I get the sense that he is leaving you wanting more.

Frank is 74 and will 75 next fall. How much longer do you think he wants to coach? Could you see a scenario where he can be forced out? I get the sense that may be the story with Bill Snyder who retired this weekend at Kansas State.
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RSBobcat
12/2/2018 11:18 PM
Husker Fan in Columbus wrote:expand_more
Hello everyone. I’m a Husker fan living in Columbus. Our family has lived in OH since 1991. My sister is a graduate of Ohio University. I did my undergrad at a rival MAC school, BGSU.

From a Nebraska perspective he continues to remain a polarizing head coach amongst our fanbase. Frank is a good coach. Unfortunately for him he had to replace the best coach in Nebraska history. From what I’ve read here folks seem to have a mixed opinion on him. He has won a lot of games for the Bobcats although I get the sense that he is leaving you wanting more.

Frank is 74 and will 75 next fall. How much longer do you think he wants to coach? Could you see a scenario where he can be forced out? I get the sense that may be the story with Bill Snyder who retired this weekend at Kansas State.
Welcome Husker

Here's my take

OHIO career football coaching records:
Peden #1 Wins. 1904-1926: 121-46-11 (No Bowls of course)
Hess #2 Wins. 1958-1977: 108-91-4 (2-2 Bowls)
Solich #3 Wins. 2005-Today: 105-75 (5-5 Bowls)

I say 2 more years - if get's over the Peden 121 wins....

BTW - The combined 6 coaches from Hess to Solich: 95-199-6 (Zero Bowls)
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12/3/2018 1:06 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Hello everyone. I’m a Husker fan living in Columbus. Our family has lived in OH since 1991. My sister is a graduate of Ohio University. I did my undergrad at a rival MAC school, BGSU.

From a Nebraska perspective he continues to remain a polarizing head coach amongst our fanbase. Frank is a good coach. Unfortunately for him he had to replace the best coach in Nebraska history. From what I’ve read here folks seem to have a mixed opinion on him. He has won a lot of games for the Bobcats although I get the sense that he is leaving you wanting more.

Frank is 74 and will 75 next fall. How much longer do you think he wants to coach? Could you see a scenario where he can be forced out? I get the sense that may be the story with Bill Snyder who retired this weekend at Kansas State.
Welcome Husker

Here's my take

OHIO career football coaching records:
Peden #1 Wins. 1904-1926: 121-46-11 (No Bowls of course)
Hess #2 Wins. 1958-1977: 108-91-4 (2-2 Bowls)
Solich #3 Wins. 2005-Today: 105-75 (5-5 Bowls)

I say 2 more years - if get's over the Peden 121 wins....

BTW - The combined 6 coaches from Hess to Solich: 95-199-6 (Zero Bowls)
Where do you get 5-5 in bowls?

They're 3-6
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cbus cat fan
12/3/2018 9:33 AM
Coach Solich came at an important time in Ohio Football History. The opening game at Pedan Stadium was simply magical as we defeated Pitt and Dave Wannstedt (how he became a supposed genius and talking head pundit on TV is beyond me--though I do enjoy his Pittsburgh euphemisms--which I occasionally have to ask my wife for a quick translation.) The problem came a few years back and whether it has to do with assistants or recruiting I don't know. However, we had the chance as did our basketball program to rises to another level and become the preeminent program in the MAC. Unfortunately with the football program, each season we lose a head scratching game or two and we all wonder what could have been.

This is particular sad for those of us who were students in the 1980s. I have stated on this site too many times that I still recall taking side bets with my friends as we each did a head count on those remaining after halftime. Sadly, it often didn't take very long. The low light came after a 1986? win to end an insufferable losing streak, and try as they might, there simply wasn't enough students to tear down the goalpost.

We have more alumni within 100 miles of our school then just about any MAC program. Our endowment is the largest of any state school, only topped by Ohio State which has far more alums from which to draw. Even our vaunted adversary in Oxford with all of their clout and Miami mergerish insufferable blowviating can't top our totals. I think the window has closed for us becoming a top tier- national championship type program that Coach Danny Nee didn't see when he coached the program at the time in the 1980s, but later reflected he should have seen at the time. Coach Nee wishes he would have stayed and become a basketball powerhouse builder. What could have been had that occurred? It would not have stopped with basketball, it would have lifted a every sports program especially football. As the saying goes it is what it is. We are only left to wonder.
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OhioStunter
12/3/2018 10:53 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Mr Quantifier - Please Quantify this statement.... (facts please - not conjecture)
Ummm? This factual enough for you?

As I stated before, attendance down for 4th straight year.

16,229 ... lowest average since 2008 and 2nd lowest of Solich era. And that 2008 team went 4-8.

It's also the largest year-to-year drop in attendance in Solich era.

Fans aren't coming like they were in previous years.

"Bottoming out" may have been an overdramatic choice of words ... I'll give you that. But the essence of my point was interest is fading.
When talking about interest in Ohio football, before saying that interest has bottomed out/fading based on attendance figures, I think you have to:

--Consider more than attendance:
Someone made the point about more weekday vs. Saturday games. I'd be interested in the total number of people watching on TV/streams. I bet they are at all-time highs. Also, financial backing. I don't have stats, but it seems that financial donations to athletics is near all-time highs as well?

--Consider the entire college football landscape:
The SEC is down in attendance. The SEC. Where weather is not usually a factor, a ranked team is playing on national TV several times each weekend, and a hot coaching candidate is leading a team. And it sounds like they have wayyy better concessions.

From USA Today/Montgomery Advertiser: The SEC saw a drop of more than 2,400 fans per game last season, which was the biggest decline of any Power Five conference.

The drop in attendance wasn't limited to the SEC, with the entire Football Bowl Subdivision losing an average of about 1,400 fans per game in 2017. The American Athletic Conference had the biggest drop at nearly 3,000 per game. (Source: https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college... /)
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GoCats105
12/3/2018 12:18 PM
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Last year NIU sold 11.3K tickets per home game. NIU purchased back tickets to have the NCAA minimum of 15K per game in order to meet a bowl standard. I assume Ohio must meet the same standard. Has anyone else heard of this?
Yes. That's actually one of the criteria the NCAA has in place in order for the school to remain in the FBS level. Buying back the tickets is how they get around that/meet that stipulation. EMU has been notorious for that.

I believe this over a rolling 3-year period as well. I'm not 100% on that portion. These damn Cincinnati microbrews and their IPAs have my NCAA Rules class in college fading into the abyss.
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bshot44
12/3/2018 2:51 PM
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Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Mr Quantifier - Please Quantify this statement.... (facts please - not conjecture)
Ummm? This factual enough for you?

As I stated before, attendance down for 4th straight year.

16,229 ... lowest average since 2008 and 2nd lowest of Solich era. And that 2008 team went 4-8.

It's also the largest year-to-year drop in attendance in Solich era.

Fans aren't coming like they were in previous years.

"Bottoming out" may have been an overdramatic choice of words ... I'll give you that. But the essence of my point was interest is fading.
When talking about interest in Ohio football, before saying that interest has bottomed out/fading based on attendance figures, I think you have to:

--Consider more than attendance:
Someone made the point about more weekday vs. Saturday games. I'd be interested in the total number of people watching on TV/streams. I bet they are at all-time highs. Also, financial backing. I don't have stats, but it seems that financial donations to athletics is near all-time highs as well?

--Consider the entire college football landscape:
The SEC is down in attendance. The SEC. Where weather is not usually a factor, a ranked team is playing on national TV several times each weekend, and a hot coaching candidate is leading a team. And it sounds like they have wayyy better concessions.

From USA Today/Montgomery Advertiser: The SEC saw a drop of more than 2,400 fans per game last season, which was the biggest decline of any Power Five conference.

The drop in attendance wasn't limited to the SEC, with the entire Football Bowl Subdivision losing an average of about 1,400 fans per game in 2017. The American Athletic Conference had the biggest drop at nearly 3,000 per game. (Source: https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college... /)
I agree with you that attendance is down all across CFB ... the stats reflect that. No question.

But look at it from this perspective ... a 1,400 fans per game drop in an 80,000 person stadium is roughly 2% drop.

A nearly 4,000 fan per game drop in a 24,000 seat stadium is a nearly 17% drop.

I don't think there is really any way to tell how many Ohio fans are watching weeknight #MACtion on TV vs. non-Ohio fans that tune in. So you could very well be right that more fans are watching on TV.

Be completely honest ... do you feel like the buzz around the program is as strong as it was in 2011 or 2012? The stadium has a noticeably different feel for home games the last few years. It's obviously nothing like in 90s ... but I just don't get the feeling like there's more excitement around things.

I think the excitement of simply making a bowl game has dulled. We're used to it now. 10th time in 14 years ... 8th in last 9 years. That has become the norm for Ohio football.

I stand by earlier comments that casual fans seem "bored" with the 58% success that some on here rave about. Even some of the more dedicated fans are a little bored?

A 4-0 start with a win at Pitt and Marshall next year would be a nice jolt for the program ... I think it would really provide some spark to the fanbase entering the MAC season.

They missed that opportunity this year with the loss at UC and NIU early in the year. Whatever excitement around being MAC favorites faded in a 3-3 start the year.

Let this marinate ... in 2014 ... a 6-6 (4-4) non-bowl season .... Ohio drew the third biggest crowd in Peden Stadium history against Idaho. Ida-freakin-ho!?! Then turned around against Eastern Illinois of FCS fame and drew 23000+

And we can't draw 20k for any home game with a team projected to win the league that has one of the most exciting offenses in school history?!?!
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12/3/2018 3:17 PM
To answer the question about program buzz as big as 2011 or 2012 -- my simple answer is I don't know. It is hard to measure "buzz". I think attendance is a strong indicator and you are right that attendance figures being down could be an indicator of interest. Also, as I mentioned, keep in mind that with virtually every game on a screen, many casual fans may decide to watch from the couch than a hard steel bleacher.

For the most part, it is a good product on the field, so that seems to be consistent. What may be affecting attendance is the date/time of games, marketing/promotions of games (students have always been apathetic, but locals need to have a good reason to go) and the overall gameday experience. Let's think about the latter. As evidenced by many here, the experience with tickets, concessions, parking, etc. is not great. Maybe that has turned off fans from attending more than the team not getting off to a hot start.

I don't think most fans at our games could tell you that Ohio hasn't won a MAC title since 1968. I don't think that winning a title this year would automatically translate to more attendees next year.

And yes, bowl games have lost their luster with some fans. I see that across the board. Years ago, OSU fans would be thrilled with a B10 title and a Rose Bowl appearance. Now, they are pissed about it.
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NIU007b
12/3/2018 4:40 PM
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can't the attendance drop at least partially be attributed to the increase in weeknight games? For me, getting from Cleveland to Athens is a hell of lot easier on a Saturday afternoon than a Thursday night. And haven't we discussed that attendance is down across the board for college sports? Hell, even Nick Saban chimed in this year about Bama attendance.

I'll gladly keep celebrating 8 win seasons.

And I'm going to celebrate my weekend tonight by kissing my wife (who rates a 5 out of 10), running a 13 minute mile at the gym, drinking a busch beer and eating dinner at Applebees. How's that for celebrating mediocrity !!
Saturday home attendance this year:

Howard - 18,275
UMass - 19,056
BG - 19,492
Avg - 18941

That's pretty gross. Even homecoming couldn't crack 20K?

2017 Saturday games:

Hampton - 17,501
Kansas - 22,056
CMU - 23,570
Kent - 19,540
Avg - 20666

2016 Saturday games:

Texas St - 23,093
Gardner-Webb - 22,265
BG - 23,077
EMU - 23,566
Avg - 23000

2015 Saturday games:

Marshall - 25,210
SE LA - 22,985
Miami - 25,086
WMU - 22,825
Avg - 24026

We've seen a nearly 5,000 person drop in attendance in Saturday games alone since 2015.

I know CFB attendance is down across the country. At NIU it's down nearly 10K in last five years.

https://www.daily-chronicle.com/lists/2018/01/12/319978f6...

I have no answer for NIU. They win MAC titles ... win West Divisions ... schedule quality out of conference home games. So that is tough.

But for Ohio ... they rarely, if ever, do any of those things. They don't win MAC titles ... won the East division once in 7 years ... do not schedule quality out of conference home games.

So maybe fans have become "bored" with the state of Ohio football and they showing it in the stands? The status quo of FCS, low-level FBS out-of-conference home games coupled with the lack of championships on a division or league level is wearing thin?

And for the record .... NOTHING mediocre about a Busch beer and dinner at Applebee's my friend!
For NIU it's a combination of things. We went for a good decade or so without scheduling any decent OOC games at home, under our previous ADs. The current AD is improving the scheduling but I think the effects have already been felt. We've also had 4 weeknight games every year (2 at home, 2 on the road) for just about every year for at least a decade. I've noticed that some MAC teams have not had that many. Our biggest game of the year is usually Toledo as it often determines the MAC West - we haven't played them on a Saturday in about a decade. Then, our enrollment went down. And, you have the general decrease in attendance across college football.

None of this should completely explain our drop in attendance, IMO, considering the success of the football team. When Lynch had his Heisman year we did sell out a couple games with overall good attendance. I sure hope it won't require THAT for us to get decent attendance.
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cbus cat fan
12/3/2018 6:46 PM
Unless a MAC team consistently cracks the Top 25 or even Top 10, we will never see the attendance figures that we did a few years back. The sports landscape has changed. If the SEC and Big Ten have peaked, you know there is a trend. Look at the NFL, they are happy that they have recovered 5% of the audience they lost in the last few years, even though their losses have been in the double digits. NFL ad revenue is nowhere near what it was five years ago.

There are many choices younger families make and I am not sure millennials attend sporting events the way the previous generation did. Look at NBA and NHL numbers. Remember that stat a few years ago when every MLB sellout before the playoffs revolved around some sort of boblehead or some such giveaway? Plus a lot of sports events aren't exactly family friendly. I am certainly not going to take my kids to a pro sports event. They have been with me to Pedan, the Convo and Notre Dame and that's about all the places I feel safe in taking them at their age.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/3/2018 9:10 PM
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Interest in Ohio football is bottoming out.

Mr Quantifier - Please Quantify this statement.... (facts please - not conjecture)
Ummm? This factual enough for you?

As I stated before, attendance down for 4th straight year.

16,229 ... lowest average since 2008 and 2nd lowest of Solich era. And that 2008 team went 4-8.

It's also the largest year-to-year drop in attendance in Solich era.

Fans aren't coming like they were in previous years.

"Bottoming out" may have been an overdramatic choice of words ... I'll give you that. But the essence of my point was interest is fading.
When talking about interest in Ohio football, before saying that interest has bottomed out/fading based on attendance figures, I think you have to:

--Consider more than attendance:
Someone made the point about more weekday vs. Saturday games. I'd be interested in the total number of people watching on TV/streams. I bet they are at all-time highs. Also, financial backing. I don't have stats, but it seems that financial donations to athletics is near all-time highs as well?

--Consider the entire college football landscape:
The SEC is down in attendance. The SEC. Where weather is not usually a factor, a ranked team is playing on national TV several times each weekend, and a hot coaching candidate is leading a team. And it sounds like they have wayyy better concessions.

From USA Today/Montgomery Advertiser: The SEC saw a drop of more than 2,400 fans per game last season, which was the biggest decline of any Power Five conference.

The drop in attendance wasn't limited to the SEC, with the entire Football Bowl Subdivision losing an average of about 1,400 fans per game in 2017. The American Athletic Conference had the biggest drop at nearly 3,000 per game. (Source: https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college... /)
I agree with you that attendance is down all across CFB ... the stats reflect that. No question.

But look at it from this perspective ... a 1,400 fans per game drop in an 80,000 person stadium is roughly 2% drop.

A nearly 4,000 fan per game drop in a 24,000 seat stadium is a nearly 17% drop.

I don't think there is really any way to tell how many Ohio fans are watching weeknight #MACtion on TV vs. non-Ohio fans that tune in. So you could very well be right that more fans are watching on TV.

Be completely honest ... do you feel like the buzz around the program is as strong as it was in 2011 or 2012? The stadium has a noticeably different feel for home games the last few years. It's obviously nothing like in 90s ... but I just don't get the feeling like there's more excitement around things.

I think the excitement of simply making a bowl game has dulled. We're used to it now. 10th time in 14 years ... 8th in last 9 years. That has become the norm for Ohio football.

I stand by earlier comments that casual fans seem "bored" with the 58% success that some on here rave about. Even some of the more dedicated fans are a little bored?

A 4-0 start with a win at Pitt and Marshall next year would be a nice jolt for the program ... I think it would really provide some spark to the fanbase entering the MAC season.

They missed that opportunity this year with the loss at UC and NIU early in the year. Whatever excitement around being MAC favorites faded in a 3-3 start the year.

Let this marinate ... in 2014 ... a 6-6 (4-4) non-bowl season .... Ohio drew the third biggest crowd in Peden Stadium history against Idaho. Ida-freakin-ho!?! Then turned around against Eastern Illinois of FCS fame and drew 23000+

And we can't draw 20k for any home game with a team projected to win the league that has one of the most exciting offenses in school history?!?!
We were blessed with great weather a lot in recent years. This year was not as good
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