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Posted: 9/7/2010 9:53 PM
True story: I had a dream 6 months ago that we lost to Alabama in the BCS National Championship Game. It took a last minute Alabama drive and a Mark Ingram TD with 3 seconds left to beat us.

Occasionally, dreams I have come true, down to the most minute detail. It's especially true for exceptionally vivid and confusing dreams that don't seem to make any sense when I wake up. One of the best examples happened about a year before I started college. The dream was me sitting in a big room, with probably 400 people. There was an older gentleman, bald but with white bushy tufts of hair on the sides of his head, up front lecturing on demand curves. I woke up thinking, "What the hell was that???" 3 months later I'm admitted to OU, and 9 months after that I'm sitting in Jan Palmer's ECON 103 class and all of a sudden it hits me, "Wait....THIS IS THAT DREAM!!!" Right down to the notes on my paper. I have no explanation for it, but there it was.

Now, the Bobcat-Crimson Tide National Championship Game dream was very vivid, and I woke up exceptionally confused. "What the hell was that???? It'll never happen." But then there's Jan Palmer. Who knows?

So, my point is, why are we talking about who Boise will play in the BCS Championship? It's already decided. OHIO versus Alabama.
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I love how 80% of people are using Ohio State as your argument, get over the Buckeyes there are a dozen other teams in the country that play majority home games, make millions of dollars and rarely go on the road.  Quit showing your penis envy of those guys.

To the person who says the Big 10 is the worse BCS Conference top to bottom, please do not drive at night as there are a lot of law enforcement officers and the are cracking down on impaired drivers.  The ACC and Big East are well below the Big 10 from top to bottom last year ESPN ranked the Big 10 2nd


Your language on here leaves a lot to be desired Mr. Wannamaker. This is not a bar its a public forum. Further some of the analysis that you are reading is looking at the top of the conference performance where the Big Ten has held its weight by getting 2 teams in the BCS. In recent years the Big Ten has struggled against the MAC. Northwestern could hardly beat Ohio at home a couple of years ago, and had to beat Eastern Michigan recently on a last second play. Northwestern then went on to upper division finishes in the Big Ten. Toledo beat Michigan as a 3-8 team. Wisconsin bearly got past Western Michigan last year. Its been like MAC with bigger stadiums in Big Ten country the last 4-5 years. This year its different across the Big Ten with Michigan State putting Western Michigan away early. The Big Ten has realized that its lost ground to the Big East which has an advantage in bigger metro markets and the brand advantage with basketball and that is exactly what motivated expansion in the Big Ten  to regain stature as a power football conference. The addition of Nebraska is going to do that for the Big Ten. Honestly though I believe most of Ohio State dominance over the last decade in the Big Ten has come from playing in a lighter football Big Ten. Its a softer and gentler Penn State without Jerry Sandusky. Wisconsin has been dohey since Barry Alvarez stepped down. Michigan a mess. My perspective is different than what is posted on here because I follow the game nationally, not just regionally MAC/Big Ten or locally Ohio/Ohio State. In football fans the Big Ten may be the best, not so in other criteria. It shows in the official stats collected by the BCS.


(2) Average Conference Ranking, the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year

SEC - 38.66
ACC - 40.56
BIG EAST - 43.06
PAC 10 - 45.59
BIG 12 - 48.22
BIG 10 - 48.88
MWC - 58.42
WAC - 80.97
C-USA - 81.06
MAC - 86.60
SUN BELT - 93.01

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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:29 PM
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I agree with a lot of things said here, but have to agree more with Ozcat saying there is no way Boise State goes undefeated or even close to that in a week-to-week BCS conference. I just dont see it happening. What happens after they get through Virginia Tech and Oregon State? Oh yeah, they have to play the football powers of San Jose State, Idaho, Lousiana Tech, and Wyoming. Just plug them into a team's schedule in a BCS conference (other than the Big East unfortunately) and try to see how many games they win, honestly. Let's take Alabama's for an example just as a hypothetical...

My honest opinion, nothing more.

vs. San Jose St. W
vs. Penn State W (freshman QB and you got the blue field)
@ Duke W
@ Arkansas L
vs. Florida L
@ South Carolina TOSS UP, but I'll say W
vs. Ole Miss W
@ Tennessee W
@ LSU L
vs. Miss St. W
vs. Georgia State W
vs. Auburn L

That's 8-4 or 7-5 depending on how the South Carolina game turns out. The grind of the SEC season would begin to take its toll, maybe even after that so losing to an erratic Ole Miss team isn't out of the question the following week. Let's do another for fun...let's take...oh I dont know...Minnesota

@ Middle Tennessee W
vs. South Dakota W
vs. USC L
vs. Northern Illinois W
vs. Northwestern W
@ Wisconsin L
@ Purdue W
vs. Penn State W, only because its at home, but it will be tough
vs. Ohio State L
@ Michigan State I would go W, but it could be an L after playing two tough games
@ Illinois W
vs. Iowa L

Once again, 8-4 possibly 7-5. Late October and early November games in the Big Ten are no joke.


Their players would not hold up in a 12-game schedule like Alabama, Florida, Oregon, Wisconsin, etc. They are a finesse team, and when it comes down to the trenches they get dominated. Sure, they beat TCU last year, but it wasn't pretty by all means. Plus, they had to use a fake punt to put themselves in a position to win. And guess what, they probably will go undefeated and then win their BCS game because they are rested. Seriosly, how good do you think Alabama would be after they played the likes of a WAC schedule? They'd win their BCS game by 20+.

I like Boise, and I hope they run the table because I root for the little guy all the time, but honestly, I was kinda rooting for Virginia Tech last night just so I wouldnt have to hear about this stuff for the next three months.


Please stop doing extremely large amounts of drugs.

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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:30 PM
Quoted for TRUTH!

C Money wrote:expand_more
True story: I had a dream 6 months ago that we lost to Alabama in the BCS National Championship Game. It took a last minute Alabama drive and a Mark Ingram TD with 3 seconds left to beat us.

Occasionally, dreams I have come true, down to the most minute detail. It's especially true for exceptionally vivid and confusing dreams that don't seem to make any sense when I wake up. One of the best examples happened about a year before I started college. The dream was me sitting in a big room, with probably 400 people. There was an older gentleman, bald but with white bushy tufts of hair on the sides of his head, up front lecturing on demand curves. I woke up thinking, "What the hell was that???" 3 months later I'm admitted to OU, and 9 months after that I'm sitting in Jan Palmer's ECON 103 class and all of a sudden it hits me, "Wait....THIS IS THAT DREAM!!!" Right down to the notes on my paper. I have no explanation for it, but there it was.

Now, the Bobcat-Crimson Tide National Championship Game dream was very vivid, and I woke up exceptionally confused. "What the hell was that???? It'll never happen." But then there's Jan Palmer. Who knows?

So, my point is, why are we talking about who Boise will play in the BCS Championship? It's already decided. OHIO versus Alabama.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:37 PM
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YourName and cc cat, is it because you look good in columbus's colors?  Go root for them.

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Don't ever paint me scarlet and gray
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:42 PM
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The whole debate over how would they do in the SEC or Big Ten is irrelevant.  That is not their responsibility.  As the SI article points out, if they start the season near the top and win out they put themselves in a position to win it all.  That is the angle they have to play and they are doing it well.  The argument about how they would do in the SEC is as relevant as Red Sox fans arguing that they should be in the playoffs because they are a better team than the Rangers and if the Sox played in the West division they would be in first place.  Doesn't matter. 

I have no doubt that given the opportunity to play in th Big 12 or Big Ten or PAC 10 year over year, Boise and Petersen would recruit a deeper team and continually compete for conference and national titles.  I also have no doubt that if for some unbelievable reason Ohio State was dropped out of the Big Ten and had to compete in the MAC, overtime, their recruiting would suffer and they would lose to the Purdues in their money game.

The system is in place.  They have their way in and they are in a position to pull it off.  What is so horrifying about them getting in to a title game?  They have yet to embarrass themselves in anyway in a game.  OSU, ALA , Texas know what they have to do to get to the title game - win all their games and win their conference.  Do it and you are in.  Lose a game and you lose control of your destiny.  That is one of the main reasons the BCS conference teams limit their risk in OOC.  Boise has now put themselves in the same position.  It took 3 to 4 years of stumble free ball, but they are there for now.  In doing so, they are a threat to OSU, ALA, etc. only if those teams lose and therefore lose control of their own destiny. 


You might be right, you might be wrong. I guess we'll never know. Let me ask you this though:

Isn't it unfair to a BCS team who runs the table and gets shut out by Boise?

I believe it is. Even further, I think its unfair that a one-loss team in the SEC or Big Ten gets shut out. Let's say Alabama, Nebraska, Iowa, Boise State, TCU, and Oregon all go undefeated. Highly unlikely, but it could happen. One of those teams can't jump Boise even when playing a tougher schedule? That's unfair.

However, it's also unfair to Boise State that no one will schedule games with them. But the voters can't get caught up in the fact that they dont get scheduled by bigger teams. You have to judge on what is real, on paper, and on film. And the fact is that Boise gets 8-10 layups every year compared to an Alabama, Ohio State, or Florida's 4-6. You can't deny that.

Boise State is a great team there is no doubt of that. But why are they more deserving than anyone else? Because they beat a lackluster Oklahoma team on gutsy trick plays late in the game? (My favorite game of all time by the way) Because they needed a fake punt to beat another non-BCS qualifier in a BCS bowl? Because they beat Virginia Tech in a neutral site game? (That's what it was, dont give me this Landover, MD home-field advantage bull. In Lane Stadium only 5,000 Boise fans get seats, maybe not even that much.)

So basically, the argument goes back to the beginning of the season before the Virginia Tech game even kicked off. Did Boise State, given the history, schedule, players returning, coaches, etc. deservce to be placed #3 in the preseason polls? I still say no.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:44 PM
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I agree with a lot of things said here, but have to agree more with Ozcat saying there is no way Boise State goes undefeated or even close to that in a week-to-week BCS conference. I just dont see it happening. What happens after they get through Virginia Tech and Oregon State? Oh yeah, they have to play the football powers of San Jose State, Idaho, Lousiana Tech, and Wyoming. Just plug them into a team's schedule in a BCS conference (other than the Big East unfortunately) and try to see how many games they win, honestly. Let's take Alabama's for an example just as a hypothetical...

My honest opinion, nothing more.

vs. San Jose St. W
vs. Penn State W (freshman QB and you got the blue field)
@ Duke W
@ Arkansas L
vs. Florida L
@ South Carolina TOSS UP, but I'll say W
vs. Ole Miss W
@ Tennessee W
@ LSU L
vs. Miss St. W
vs. Georgia State W
vs. Auburn L

That's 8-4 or 7-5 depending on how the South Carolina game turns out. The grind of the SEC season would begin to take its toll, maybe even after that so losing to an erratic Ole Miss team isn't out of the question the following week. Let's do another for fun...let's take...oh I dont know...Minnesota

@ Middle Tennessee W
vs. South Dakota W
vs. USC L
vs. Northern Illinois W
vs. Northwestern W
@ Wisconsin L
@ Purdue W
vs. Penn State W, only because its at home, but it will be tough
vs. Ohio State L
@ Michigan State I would go W, but it could be an L after playing two tough games
@ Illinois W
vs. Iowa L

Once again, 8-4 possibly 7-5. Late October and early November games in the Big Ten are no joke.


Their players would not hold up in a 12-game schedule like Alabama, Florida, Oregon, Wisconsin, etc. They are a finesse team, and when it comes down to the trenches they get dominated. Sure, they beat TCU last year, but it wasn't pretty by all means. Plus, they had to use a fake punt to put themselves in a position to win. And guess what, they probably will go undefeated and then win their BCS game because they are rested. Seriosly, how good do you think Alabama would be after they played the likes of a WAC schedule? They'd win their BCS game by 20+.

I like Boise, and I hope they run the table because I root for the little guy all the time, but honestly, I was kinda rooting for Virginia Tech last night just so I wouldnt have to hear about this stuff for the next three months.


Please stop doing extremely large amounts of drugs.

YourName and cc cat, is it because you look good in columbus's colors?  Go root for them.

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Please give me something concrete Monroe. We can agree on Ohio football, roadgraders, and BIG MANZ in basketball. But this is the reality of college football as we know it. Until Boise plays in a tougher conference or goes independent and plays tough games at every week, this is what they are.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:56 PM
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...and 9 months after that I'm sitting in Jan Palmer's ECON 103 class and all of a sudden it hits me, "Wait....THIS IS THAT DREAM!!!" Right down to the notes on my paper...
Love Jan Palmer.  Going to go listen to "Layla" right now as a direct result of this post.

Please continue your actual discussion below.
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I agree with a lot of things said here, but have to agree more with Ozcat saying there is no way Boise State goes undefeated or even close to that in a week-to-week BCS conference. I just dont see it happening. What happens after they get through Virginia Tech and Oregon State? Oh yeah, they have to play the football powers of San Jose State, Idaho, Lousiana Tech, and Wyoming. Just plug them into a team's schedule in a BCS conference (other than the Big East unfortunately) and try to see how many games they win, honestly. Let's take Alabama's for an example just as a hypothetical...


Intuitively, I can see where this opinion is coming from. It does not seem like teams from the Pacific Northwest like a Boise or an Oregon could match up physically and survive in the SEC. Virginia Tech was the perfect example of a physical football team, they are the most physical team I ever watch and totally turn games around with defensive big plays. Boise has great execution and polish to its name. When they needed a TD to win the game they got it done in 20 seconds. It was NFL style come back execution. Boise would be able to win 4-5 games in the SEC with its current team on execution advantage alone then another 2 games on coaching. They would go 6-2 or 7-1 in the SEC, splitting the biggest games. That would put Boise as a BCS at-large contender out of the SEC. I know at times Boise has struggled in WAC games as they don't have overwhelming athletic talent but they'll always finish off the opposition in the 4th quarter when it counts with execution. If you ever watch half of the SEC schools don't really know what they are doing on the football field but would have enough talent to wreck havoc in the MAC. The upper half of the SEC has a solid idea of what they are doing on the field and usually have a go to guy offensively, though overall are very physical. Some of those western teams (PAC,  Big XII, MWC) take it to another level in execution and will hang 70 point on you. I can remember when Bowling Green hung 70 on Ohio when they were a sharp top 25 club 7-8 years ago. They had like 8 BCS wins in a row during that time period. The ability execute a high octane offense is a great equalizer against the more physical programs. 
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Okay, 105.  Anyone who's on board for RoadGrader and BIGMANZ can't be all bad.   

Try this.  First, balls.   Making plays in key moments.  Boise did it in that Oke game.  Life is about clutch.  Boise did it when it counted.    2nd, if it's so freakin' easy to go undefeated and if such as columbus are so good, why don't they go undefeated more often.  columbus plays a good number of pancakes eachyear.  They can win half their sched merely on superior talent.  All they gotta do is get up for about half a dozen games a year.  So, why aren't there more undefeated-for-the-whole-year teams each year?

Because it's freaking difficult to do.  It's a helluva  accomplishment.  You do it--and I don't care what league you play in--then you should be no less than tied for number 1.

I said that when stupd cow (Marshall to you, newbies) did it in the MAC.

And I'll damn well be saying it when O-H-I-O does it.



p.s.  didn't see the game last night.  bit it's very diff to believe that it was not a heavily home crowd for VTech if it was played in MD.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 11:11 PM
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You might be right, you might be wrong. I guess we'll never know. Let me ask you this though:

Isn't it unfair to a BCS team who runs the table and gets shut out by Boise?

I believe it is. Even further, I think its unfair that a one-loss team in the SEC or Big Ten gets shut out. Let's say Alabama, Nebraska, Iowa, Boise State, TCU, and Oregon all go undefeated. Highly unlikely, but it could happen. One of those teams can't jump Boise even when playing a tougher schedule? That's unfair.

However, it's also unfair to Boise State that no one will schedule games with them. But the voters can't get caught up in the fact that they dont get scheduled by bigger teams. You have to judge on what is real, on paper, and on film. And the fact is that Boise gets 8-10 layups every year compared to an Alabama, Ohio State, or Florida's 4-6. You can't deny that.

Boise State is a great team there is no doubt of that. But why are they more deserving than anyone else? Because they beat a lackluster Oklahoma team on gutsy trick plays late in the game? (My favorite game of all time by the way) Because they needed a fake punt to beat another non-BCS qualifier in a BCS bowl? Because they beat Virginia Tech in a neutral site game? (That's what it was, dont give me this Landover, MD home-field advantage bull. In Lane Stadium only 5,000 Boise fans get seats, maybe not even that much.)

So basically, the argument goes back to the beginning of the season before the Virginia Tech game even kicked off. Did Boise State, given the history, schedule, players returning, coaches, etc. deservce to be placed #3 in the preseason polls? I still say no.


As I've said, if three teams are undefeated, Boise is left.  If a BCS team runs the table they will be in the title game.  PERIOD.  More deserving, less deserving.  Can't even begin to address that until November, but at least this year Boise is starting in a position where they have a seat at the big table.  Because they started so high ( and I do think they should have), they are in a position for the first time to control their own destiny.  OSU always does, ALA as well.  Now so does Boise.  Advise to other teams, just win. 
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Please stop doing extremely large amounts of drugs.

YourName and cc cat, is it because you look good in columbus's colors?  Go root for them.

Elsewhere.


Like most of your comments, you skim by the actual content of the post and reply with something lame like "Please stop doing extremely large amounts of drugs".
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Posted: 9/7/2010 11:36 PM
Monroe doesn't appear to be interested in facts, rationale thinking, or supporting more than one team.  He believes in a place where Ohio bi-law states you may root for only one team, and one team only.  And please stop with the 'if you win all the games on your schedule then you deserve to be no less than #1' garbage.  The major programs can't do it because of the grind of the season playing big boy football.  The smaller, but decent programs can't do it because they have to play the bigger boys to get dollars.  Occasionally, the committed, high-mid teams (TCU, Utah, Boise) will pull it off by playing mid-tier majors they can handle (I concede the Oregon win last season -- quality).


Wes, do you actually believe your stats?  Does anyone on this board actually think that the Big East and/or ACC are better than the Big 12, Big 10, or Pac 10?  How has the 'most physical team you watch' (do they have cable in Alexandria?) fared in BCS games?  Actually, how has their 'game changing defense' fared in the ACC?  I'll help:  10-3, 11-2, 10-3, 11-3, 10-4, 10-3.  FYI, 1-3 in BCS games, with their only win coming against a lame Big East team.  Pretty awesome track record.

Another interesting fact:  No Big East or ACC team has ever received an at-large bid to a BCS game.  So the nation must hold both conferences in high regards as well....
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Don't forget that Columbus starts off every season with 3 or 4 cupcakes right at home, in addition 4-5 Big Ten games are cakewalk. Its maybe Penn State, Iowa or Wisconsin on the road and Michigan that Columbus has to worry about. Otherwise any current top 25 team would roll on the Columbus schedule. Nebraska and a conference championship game are going to make things tougher for Columbus in the Big Ten and I love it. The way I see it, Ohio State and Michigan are like the McDonalds vs. Burger King of college football, they've been serving up the same old cheap crap since 1961. Michigan is at least willing to put something new on the menu with Rich Rod. Ohio State gives you a coach posing as a professor in sweatervest. Ronald McDonald has envy for that clown.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 11:57 PM
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Don't forget that Columbus starts off every season with 3 or 4 cupcakes right at home, in addition 4-5 Big Ten games are cakewalk. Its maybe Penn State, Iowa or Wisconsin on the road and Michigan that Columbus has to worry about. Otherwise any current top 25 team would roll on the Columbus schedule. Nebraska and a conference championship game are going to make things tougher for Columbus in the Big Ten and I love it. The way I see it, Ohio State and Michigan are like the McDonalds vs. Burger King of college football, they've been serving up the same old cheap crap since 1961. Michigan is at least willing to put something new on the menu with Rich Rod. Ohio State gives you a coach posing as a professor in sweatervest. Ronald McDonald has envy for that clown.


Wow, the people defending Boise's conference with the 'they can't help their conference' argument sure love to turn it right around when it comes to the Buckeyes.  Funny, you also neglected to mention the home-and-homes they played against USC and Texas and the future matchups with Miami, VTech, Oklahoma, and Tennessee they have on the docket -- I mean, REAL DOORMATS these teams are.

I'll go ahead and diagnose Wes with the Wanamaker discovered 'penis envy'.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 11:58 PM
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Don't forget that Columbus starts off every season with 3 or 4 cupcakes right at home, in addition 4-5 Big Ten games are cakewalk. Its maybe Penn State, Iowa or Wisconsin on the road and Michigan that Columbus has to worry about. Otherwise any current top 25 team would roll on the Columbus schedule. Nebraska and a conference championship game are going to make things tougher for Columbus in the Big Ten and I love it. The way I see it, Ohio State and Michigan are like the McDonalds vs. Burger King of college football, they've been serving up the same old cheap crap since 1961. Michigan is at least willing to put something new on the menu with Rich Rod. Ohio State gives you a coach posing as a professor in sweatervest. Ronald McDonald has envy for that clown.


I really wish this forum had a like button.

Also, I would like to contribute to this discussion but I keep getting beat to the punch. Good work Wes.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 12:03 AM
Winning 50 out of 54 games in the last 4 years is not enough to be considered a National Championship contender?

Just my opinion, but the sooner a non-Automatic Qualifier makes the Championship game, the better for the game of football as a whole.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 12:34 AM
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Wes, do you actually believe your stats?  Does anyone on this board actually think that the Big East and ACC ore better than the Big 12, Big 10, or Pac 10?  How has the 'most physical team you watch' (do they have cable in Alexandria?) fared in BCS games?  Actually, how has their 'game changing defense' fared in the ACC?  I'll help:  10-3, 11-2, 10-3, 11-3, 10-4, 10-3.  FYI, 1-3 in BCS games, with their only win coming against a lame Big East team.  Pretty awesome track record.


I believe the stats because they are backed up by a computer. Va Tech is the most simpleton program around. They always get the best athletes in the Virginia/Carolina region to sign and on athleticism alone win 9-10 games a year. Its always a highly touted running quarterback that can break games open. The way it works In the state of Virginia, UVA is pretty much an Ivy League level school that is too upscale. The true state school and largest is Virginia Tech so they really don't have in-state competition for football recruits. VT has a seperate dinning hall for the football team. Ifs a football factory pure and simple. I know Beamer has built it up over the past 25 years to be that way but from where they are today anyone could coach that program to 8 wins. To lose to East Carolina like they did the other year was really embarrassing for an elite program like that and a real coaching staff wouldn't allow it to happen. They are so physical though, unmistakably so. They'll do nothing on offense for half the game, then they block your punt and then snap they've got the opposition by the throat on their own 2 yard line. Its like a chokehold sets in and the match is over. When VT plays somebody their own size in a BCS game their lack of offensive organization is exposed and they lose. Watching LSU or Florida is totally different and in the competitive SEC games its like watching a chess match with both sides not having a queen. Its physical across the conference but all the better teams have that physicality so it ends up being a slow 13-10 chess match. Florida did have a queen in Tebow with his ability to be everywhere on the field.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 12:53 AM

You can have Beamer and whatever it is you just described above.  I'll take that 'clown' you speak of and his 5 BCS wins (tied for 1st) and his championship ring.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 1:10 AM
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Don't forget that Columbus starts off every season with 3 or 4 cupcakes right at home, in addition 4-5 Big Ten games are cakewalk. Its maybe Penn State, Iowa or Wisconsin on the road and Michigan that Columbus has to worry about. Otherwise any current top 25 team would roll on the Columbus schedule. Nebraska and a conference championship game are going to make things tougher for Columbus in the Big Ten and I love it. The way I see it, Ohio State and Michigan are like the McDonalds vs. Burger King of college football, they've been serving up the same old cheap crap since 1961. Michigan is at least willing to put something new on the menu with Rich Rod. Ohio State gives you a coach posing as a professor in sweatervest. Ronald McDonald has envy for that clown.


Wow, the people defending Boise's conference with the 'they can't help their conference' argument sure love to turn it right around when it comes to the Buckeyes.  Funny, you also neglected to mention the home-and-homes they played against USC and Texas and the future matchups with Miami, VTech, Oklahoma, and Tennessee they have on the docket -- I mean, REAL DOORMATS these teams are.

I'll go ahead and diagnose Wes with the Wanamaker discovered 'penis envy'.


I will also diagnose you with potty mouth (case #2). As far as your team goes, they are the most fustrating outfit to watch. With Ohio State you know they've got NFL talent but the feeling is they always play for whatever reason on 3 cylinders. Its never crisp and clean 70 point domination through the air. McSweatervest has to vallidate his professor image making the offense to complicated. Occassionally, I will admit OSU will pull off an impressive play after many failed experiments. The Buckeye D of course is always talented enough to bail out the football lab experiment. I don't find the way they play that enticing. They would have never been able to saddle VT with a quick 17 points in the first quarter like Boise experimenting down the field as they do. I'd love to see VT smack OSU upside the head in a future game, that I could go for.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 1:18 AM
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You can have Beamer and whatever it is you just described above.  I'll take that 'clown' you speak of and his 5 BCS wins (tied for 1st) and his championship ring.



How many BCS wins and championships would Saban or Meyer coaching a decade at Ohio State? Would they ever be willing to coach at a place so void of class and style as Columbus? Think back on the coaches, Cooper, Bruce, Hayes none of those guys had the charisma to get a hip coaching job. If Tressel was anything he'd be somewhere else.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:29 AM
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I love how 80% of people are using Ohio State as your argument, get over the Buckeyes there are a dozen other teams in the country that play majority home games, make millions of dollars and rarely go on the road.  Quit showing your penis envy of those guys.

To the person who says the Big 10 is the worse BCS Conference top to bottom, please do not drive at night as there are a lot of law enforcement officers and the are cracking down on impaired drivers.  The ACC and Big East are well below the Big 10 from top to bottom last year ESPN ranked the Big 10 2nd


Your language on here leaves a lot to be desired Mr. Wannamaker. This is not a bar its a public forum. Further some of the analysis that you are reading is looking at the top of the conference performance where the Big Ten has held its weight by getting 2 teams in the BCS. In recent years the Big Ten has struggled against the MAC. Northwestern could hardly beat Ohio at home a couple of years ago, and had to beat Eastern Michigan recently on a last second play. Northwestern then went on to upper division finishes in the Big Ten. Toledo beat Michigan as a 3-8 team. Wisconsin bearly got past Western Michigan last year. Its been like MAC with bigger stadiums in Big Ten country the last 4-5 years. This year its different across the Big Ten with Michigan State putting Western Michigan away early. The Big Ten has realized that its lost ground to the Big East which has an advantage in bigger metro markets and the brand advantage with basketball and that is exactly what motivated expansion in the Big Ten  to regain stature as a power football conference. The addition of Nebraska is going to do that for the Big Ten. Honestly though I believe most of Ohio State dominance over the last decade in the Big Ten has come from playing in a lighter football Big Ten. Its a softer and gentler Penn State without Jerry Sandusky. Wisconsin has been dohey since Barry Alvarez stepped down. Michigan a mess. My perspective is different than what is posted on here because I follow the game nationally, not just regionally MAC/Big Ten or locally Ohio/Ohio State. In football fans the Big Ten may be the best, not so in other criteria. It shows in the official stats collected by the BCS.


(2) Average Conference Ranking, the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year

SEC - 38.66
ACC - 40.56
BIG EAST - 43.06
PAC 10 - 45.59
BIG 12 - 48.22
BIG 10 - 48.88
MWC - 58.42
WAC - 80.97
C-USA - 81.06
MAC - 86.60
SUN BELT - 93.01



So anatomically correct terms is not appropriate?  I guess I could use street slang and teenager speak.  Which would you prefer sir?  Because last time I checked penis was not a dirty word.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:38 AM
Wes wrote:expand_more

You can have Beamer and whatever it is you just described above.  I'll take that 'clown' you speak of and his 5 BCS wins (tied for 1st) and his championship ring.



How many BCS wins and championships would Saban or Meyer coaching a decade at Ohio State? Would they ever be willing to coach at a place so void of class and style as Columbus? Think back on the coaches, Cooper, Bruce, Hayes none of those guys had the charisma to get a hip coaching job. If Tressel was anything he'd be somewhere else.


#1 (to an earlier post) Rankings vary and they are up for discussion.

#2 You are opinion get in the way of facts, Ohio State, like them or not is historically one of the top teams in the history of NCAA Football.  Towards the top in National Championships, NFL Draft picks, Top 10 stadium size, Top 5 revenue, Top 5 merchandising, and yet they are not a real program?  Facts please
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:59 AM
When people use the term 'cupcake' to describe Ohio State's schedule, are you including us as a part of that schedule?
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:50 AM
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Quit showing your penis envy of those guys.


This always crack's me up.  For a site that has a thread committed to western Ohio suckage, for the life of me I'll never understand while it is not OK with some here that one expresses their dislike for Ohio State without their feeling the need to defend their sacred cow.

And why a person's dislike has to be a driect result of envy is just comical, and yet that always seems to be the most convenient sentiment expressed.  Last year I listed the first 13 reasons that came to mind for why I disliked and didn't respect A&M, none of which involved envy, and all I heard was more sympathizing with tOSU's cause.

If you don't like tOSU bashing, there are other sites that cater to your sentimentality, so go there.  Otherwise, GET OVER IT.
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