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Posted: 9/19/2010 5:33 PM
I still can't tell if this is a mock thread or not. Is my sarcasm meter broken?
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Posted: 9/19/2010 9:01 PM
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Are you a player parent?  I am, and I know where we were seated before and I know the difference in how things played out this year.  This year, every player ticket was relegated to a cave.  Agree to disagree - sure I'm civil - but that doesn't change how things played out in reality.


Wait    are you saying they give players parents away game tickets ? I knew they got home game tickets ,but away games too. I had no idea.
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Yes, every player receives 4 tickets free for family, you can always obtain more by finding the kid who is from far away or one who is not using theirs and you can pick up a few more.  And from what I am gathering the poster complaining about parent tickets is the same lady.
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Posted: 9/20/2010 5:45 PM
I'll give you adequate rationale...Bobcat4 or whatever your name is...

1) OU returned a bunch of tickets to Ohio State because they couldn't sell them, so the Tuesday before the season began, Ohio State put them up for sale to Buckeye fans who bought them up in about 20 minutes...

2) I am not sure what you mean by a 'cave' but if you are referring to 'B-Deck' well then I am sorry you feel that way...many of those B-Deck seats are some of the most highly sought after tickets, and were built in 1922. Some of them have obstructed view because of the pillars that hold up C-Deck, but name me one stadium that old that has an upper deck that doesn't have some obstructed view seating...

3) Why in God's name WOULD Ohio State give players' parents from the other team the best seats in the house?

4) OU DID have the same sections that are always handed out to the opposing school...that is where the highest concentration of OU fans were sitting...the reason it wasn't ALL OU fans is because they didn't sell their allotment of tickets...AND the reason you saw OU fans scattered throughout the stadium is because tickets were selling for $15 - $20 outside the stadium for the game because nobody cares about the OU game...

5) We even gave your band tickets, and allowed them to play on the field and everything...that is NOT something we extend to every school that comes to the Shoe...that is a privilege, and should show the respect that tOSU has for it's in-state schools...

6) Talk about disrespect, maybe you should tell your school President to not talk to high school students that are visiting Athens to consider OU the way that he did for my sister and her tour group...he went on a rant about Ohio State calling itself 'THE Ohio State University' and all it did was look like pure jealousy...it is actually what made my sister not want to go there for school and what made me dislike OU the way I do today...

What is WITH the inferiority complex that OU has over Miami OH (where my sister ended up going) and tOSU??? Just let it go already...in fact, that is all this thread is about anyway, you just have to try and attack Ohio State somehow because deep down it just drives you crazy that tOSU is better in every single way...

Better Football Team? tOSU
Better O-H-I-O chant? tOSU
Better academic reputation/more difficult to get into? tOSU
Medical School vs. School of Osteopathic Medicine? Med School (tOSU)
Better business school? Fisher College (tOSU)
Better manners? believe it or not, tOSU, as showcased by your mascot this weekend...
Better party school? OU --> but that isn't something to be proud of...
Better everything? tOSU...and the sad thing is that you have had something like 66 years on tOSU before tOSU was even formed...and with that kind of head start, you STILL couldn't make it into the top 5, or maybe even 10, academic universities in the state? WOW...what the hell ARE you doing down there in Athens???
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I'll give you adequate rationale...Bobcat4 or whatever your name is...

1) OU returned a bunch of tickets to Ohio State because they couldn't sell them, so the Tuesday before the season began, Ohio State put them up for sale to Buckeye fans who bought them up in about 20 minutes...

2) I am not sure what you mean by a 'cave' but if you are referring to 'B-Deck' well then I am sorry you feel that way...many of those B-Deck seats are some of the most highly sought after tickets, and were built in 1922. Some of them have obstructed view because of the pillars that hold up C-Deck, but name me one stadium that old that has an upper deck that doesn't have some obstructed view seating...

3) Why in God's name WOULD Ohio State give players' parents from the other team the best seats in the house?

4) OU DID have the same sections that are always handed out to the opposing school...that is where the highest concentration of OU fans were sitting...the reason it wasn't ALL OU fans is because they didn't sell their allotment of tickets...AND the reason you saw OU fans scattered throughout the stadium is because tickets were selling for $15 - $20 outside the stadium for the game because nobody cares about the OU game...

5) We even gave your band tickets, and allowed them to play on the field and everything...that is NOT something we extend to every school that comes to the Shoe...that is a privilege, and should show the respect that tOSU has for it's in-state schools...

6) Talk about disrespect, maybe you should tell your school President to not talk to high school students that are visiting Athens to consider OU the way that he did for my sister and her tour group...he went on a rant about Ohio State calling itself 'THE Ohio State University' and all it did was look like pure jealousy...it is actually what made my sister not want to go there for school and what made me dislike OU the way I do today...

What is WITH the inferiority complex that OU has over Miami OH (where my sister ended up going) and tOSU??? Just let it go already...in fact, that is all this thread is about anyway, you just have to try and attack Ohio State somehow because deep down it just drives you crazy that tOSU is better in every single way...

Better Football Team? tOSU
Better O-H-I-O chant? tOSU
Better academic reputation/more difficult to get into? tOSU
Medical School vs. School of Osteopathic Medicine? Med School (tOSU)
Better business school? Fisher College (tOSU)
Better manners? believe it or not, tOSU, as showcased by your mascot this weekend...
Better party school? OU --> but that isn't something to be proud of...
Better everything? tOSU...and the sad thing is that you have had something like 66 years on tOSU before tOSU was even formed...and with that kind of head start, you STILL couldn't make it into the top 5, or maybe even 10, academic universities in the state? WOW...what the hell ARE you doing down there in Athens???


You can thank that last part to Rutherford Hayes who lobbied a bill that basically handed everything to you guys on a silver platter and banned us from many other things.  Read this section from an article dealing with the tension between Ohio and Ohio State

"-The Eagleson Bill: At the turn of the 20th century, the two previously founded universities in the state–Ohio University and Miami University–were enmeshed in a power struggle with a newcomer, Ohio State University, that was chartered in 1870 as the Ohio Mechanical and Agricultural College.

Of seminal importance during this period was Rutherford B. Hayes. Hayes was a founder of Ohio State University as a governor, and after returning to Ohio after his one term as President of the United States, used his political influence to lobby on behalf of greater power for OSU. The debate came to a head in 1906 when a controversial bill handed the new kid on the block an advantage.

Despite heavy protest from the previously founded and more well-established state universities, the Eagleson Bill was passed. The bill mandated that only Ohio State among state universities was legally allowed to offer doctoral education or conduct basic research.  The bill formally and legally locked in Ohio State’s status as the state’s leading institution and left the others to fight over scraps.

Even though the schools had similar enrollment, OSU was significantly handed the golden ticket to the Big Ten Conference six years later instead of the other major state competitors, Ohio and Miami.

“The Big Ten Conference is comprised of world-class academic institutions who share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service,” says a mission statement on the conference’s website.

The Eagleson Bill meant that, through law, only OSU could meet the necessary criteria needed to enter the conference. The boost to one of the premier collegiate conferences put them on the path to success and left their rivals to join the less famous Mid-American Conference a few decades later."

So basically through shadiness you guys were handed your spot instead of achieving it through hard work like every other college.  If it were not for that bill you would probably be at the same level as Iowa State, Illinois State, and North Carolina State.

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You can thank that last part to Rutherford Hayes who lobbied a bill that basically handed everything to you guys on a silver platter and banned us from many other things.  Read this section from an article dealing with the tension between Ohio and Ohio State

"-The Eagleson Bill: At the turn of the 20th century, the two previously founded universities in the state–Ohio University and Miami University–were enmeshed in a power struggle with a newcomer, Ohio State University, that was chartered in 1870 as the Ohio Mechanical and Agricultural College.

Of seminal importance during this period was Rutherford B. Hayes. Hayes was a founder of Ohio State University as a governor, and after returning to Ohio after his one term as President of the United States, used his political influence to lobby on behalf of greater power for OSU. The debate came to a head in 1906 when a controversial bill handed the new kid on the block an advantage.

Despite heavy protest from the previously founded and more well-established state universities, the Eagleson Bill was passed. The bill mandated that only Ohio State among state universities was legally allowed to offer doctoral education or conduct basic research.  The bill formally and legally locked in Ohio State’s status as the state’s leading institution and left the others to fight over scraps.

Even though the schools had similar enrollment, OSU was significantly handed the golden ticket to the Big Ten Conference six years later instead of the other major state competitors, Ohio and Miami.

“The Big Ten Conference is comprised of world-class academic institutions who share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service,” says a mission statement on the conference’s website.

The Eagleson Bill meant that, through law, only OSU could meet the necessary criteria needed to enter the conference. The boost to one of the premier collegiate conferences put them on the path to success and left their rivals to join the less famous Mid-American Conference a few decades later."

So basically through shadiness you guys were handed your spot instead of achieving it through hard work like every other college.  If it were not for that bill you would probably be at the same level as Iowa State, Illinois State, and North Carolina State.



Are you sure about that?

Here are excerpts from the letter written in 1909 by Carnegie Endowment Chairman Thomas Pritchett to Ohio Governor Judson Harmon explaining the reasons why Ohio's application was being denied.

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The Ohio State University has attempted to set satisfactory standards and to establish an acceptable procedure for evaluating high schools and their preparatory programs. All is to no avail, however, because the Ohio and Miami universities are not obliged to follow a similar course.....

The Ohio State University may fairly be called a university, but Ohio and Miami are certainly not university grade institutions. If Ohio State University could be relieved of the pressures created by the latter two, then Ohio might find itself the proud possessor of a university like the one in Wisconsin.....
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I'll give you adequate rationale...Bobcat4 or whatever your name is...

1) OU returned a bunch of tickets to Ohio State because they couldn't sell them, so the Tuesday before the season began, Ohio State put them up for sale to Buckeye fans who bought them up in about 20 minutes...

2) I am not sure what you mean by a 'cave' but if you are referring to 'B-Deck' well then I am sorry you feel that way...many of those B-Deck seats are some of the most highly sought after tickets, and were built in 1922. Some of them have obstructed view because of the pillars that hold up C-Deck, but name me one stadium that old that has an upper deck that doesn't have some obstructed view seating...

3) Why in God's name WOULD Ohio State give players' parents from the other team the best seats in the house?

4) OU DID have the same sections that are always handed out to the opposing school...that is where the highest concentration of OU fans were sitting...the reason it wasn't ALL OU fans is because they didn't sell their allotment of tickets...AND the reason you saw OU fans scattered throughout the stadium is because tickets were selling for $15 - $20 outside the stadium for the game because nobody cares about the OU game...

5) We even gave your band tickets, and allowed them to play on the field and everything...that is NOT something we extend to every school that comes to the Shoe...that is a privilege, and should show the respect that tOSU has for it's in-state schools...

6) Talk about disrespect, maybe you should tell your school President to not talk to high school students that are visiting Athens to consider OU the way that he did for my sister and her tour group...he went on a rant about Ohio State calling itself 'THE Ohio State University' and all it did was look like pure jealousy...it is actually what made my sister not want to go there for school and what made me dislike OU the way I do today...

What is WITH the inferiority complex that OU has over Miami OH (where my sister ended up going) and tOSU??? Just let it go already...in fact, that is all this thread is about anyway, you just have to try and attack Ohio State somehow because deep down it just drives you crazy that tOSU is better in every single way...

Better Football Team? tOSU
Better O-H-I-O chant? tOSU
Better academic reputation/more difficult to get into? tOSU
Medical School vs. School of Osteopathic Medicine? Med School (tOSU)
Better business school? Fisher College (tOSU)
Better manners? believe it or not, tOSU, as showcased by your mascot this weekend...
Better party school? OU --> but that isn't something to be proud of...
Better everything? tOSU...and the sad thing is that you have had something like 66 years on tOSU before tOSU was even formed...and with that kind of head start, you STILL couldn't make it into the top 5, or maybe even 10, academic universities in the state? WOW...what the hell ARE you doing down there in Athens???


Well at least we don't honor a "Thug" Like Jack Tatum and promote the Jack Tatum "hit of the week" like Ohio State does!
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Well at least we don't honor a "Thug" Like Jack Tatum and promote the Jack Tatum "hit of the week" like Ohio State does!


What made him a thug?

And you realize football is a contact sport correct?
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I'll give you adequate rationale...Bobcat4 or whatever your name is...

1) OU returned a bunch of tickets to Ohio State because they couldn't sell them, so the Tuesday before the season began, Ohio State put them up for sale to Buckeye fans who bought them up in about 20 minutes...

2) I am not sure what you mean by a 'cave' but if you are referring to 'B-Deck' well then I am sorry you feel that way...many of those B-Deck seats are some of the most highly sought after tickets, and were built in 1922. Some of them have obstructed view because of the pillars that hold up C-Deck, but name me one stadium that old that has an upper deck that doesn't have some obstructed view seating...

3) Why in God's name WOULD Ohio State give players' parents from the other team the best seats in the house?

4) OU DID have the same sections that are always handed out to the opposing school...that is where the highest concentration of OU fans were sitting...the reason it wasn't ALL OU fans is because they didn't sell their allotment of tickets...AND the reason you saw OU fans scattered throughout the stadium is because tickets were selling for $15 - $20 outside the stadium for the game because nobody cares about the OU game...

5) We even gave your band tickets, and allowed them to play on the field and everything...that is NOT something we extend to every school that comes to the Shoe...that is a privilege, and should show the respect that tOSU has for it's in-state schools...

6) Talk about disrespect, maybe you should tell your school President to not talk to high school students that are visiting Athens to consider OU the way that he did for my sister and her tour group...he went on a rant about Ohio State calling itself 'THE Ohio State University' and all it did was look like pure jealousy...it is actually what made my sister not want to go there for school and what made me dislike OU the way I do today...

What is WITH the inferiority complex that OU has over Miami OH (where my sister ended up going) and tOSU??? Just let it go already...in fact, that is all this thread is about anyway, you just have to try and attack Ohio State somehow because deep down it just drives you crazy that tOSU is better in every single way...

Better Football Team? tOSU
Better O-H-I-O chant? tOSU
Better academic reputation/more difficult to get into? tOSU
Medical School vs. School of Osteopathic Medicine? Med School (tOSU)
Better business school? Fisher College (tOSU)
Better manners? believe it or not, tOSU, as showcased by your mascot this weekend...
Better party school? OU --> but that isn't something to be proud of...
Better everything? tOSU...and the sad thing is that you have had something like 66 years on tOSU before tOSU was even formed...and with that kind of head start, you STILL couldn't make it into the top 5, or maybe even 10, academic universities in the state? WOW...what the hell ARE you doing down there in Athens???


Feelings hurt...so...much. Faceless man on message board taking away credibility...help...me.

No wait...I turned Ohio State down and went to Ohio University. So...suck it.
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Posted: 9/21/2010 3:31 AM
Let's be frank.  We need to respond to columbus fans here in a way that is substantial, memorable, succinct and final.

I got this one:

No one cares about you.  Go away.  Now, when we need input from a brutally ugly, monolithic mass of concrete of a campus full of boring, we'll get back to you.  Also, three words:  Mich-i-gan.
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Better Football Team? tOSU
Better O-H-I-O chant? tOSU
Better academic reputation/more difficult to get into? tOSU
Medical School vs. School of Osteopathic Medicine? Med School (tOSU)
Better business school? Fisher College (tOSU)
Better manners? believe it or not, tOSU, as showcased by your mascot this weekend...
Better party school? OU --> but that isn't something to be proud of...
Better everything? tOSU...and the sad thing is that you have had something like 66 years on tOSU before tOSU was even formed...and with that kind of head start, you STILL couldn't make it into the top 5, or maybe even 10, academic universities in the state? WOW...what the hell ARE you doing down there in Athens???


Better on-campus crime rate? tOSU
Better number of obnoxious fans? tOSU
Better absence of nature on campus? tOSU
Better chance of getting panhandled on the way to a bar? tOSU
Better chance of a former football player getting arrested for armed robbery? tOSU
Better chance getting to the national championship game? tOSU
Better chance of getting to the national championship game only to lose to an SEC team? tOSU
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Posted: 9/21/2010 9:43 AM
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more
Let's be frank.  We need to respond to columbus fans here in a way that is substantial, memorable, succinct and final.

I got this one:

No one cares about you.  Go away.  Now, when we need input from a brutally ugly, monolithic mass of concrete of a campus full of boring, we'll get back to you.  Also, three words:  Mich-i-gan.


Honestly, the only reason I registered was the amount of misinformation about Ohio State that was being posted here.  I can understand having a disdain for another university......but at least have a valid rationale for wanting to dislike them.  That's the only reason I registered and posted.  And if you didn't care about us, you wouldn't have 11 threads about Ohio State.  Just one about the game and close it after the game's done.

Now I'm not going to deny that Athens has a beautiful campus, but there are people that appreciate architectural beauty as well.  It doesn't have to be nature always.
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Now I'm not going to deny that Athens has a beautiful campus, but there are people that appreciate architectural beauty as well.  It doesn't have to be nature always.


Agreed. People chose Ohio and Ohio State for very different reasons.
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Posted: 9/21/2010 9:56 AM
The Ohio State University has attempted to set satisfactory standards and to establish an acceptable procedure for evaluating high schools and their preparatory programs. All is to no avail, however, because the Ohio and Miami universities are not obliged to follow a similar course.....
The Ohio State University may fairly be called a university, but Ohio and Miami are certainly not university grade institutions. If Ohio State University could be relieved of the pressures created by the latter two, then Ohio might find itself the proud possessor of a university like the one in Wisconsin.....


First, looking at the timeline, isn't the legislation that hamstrung us passed in 1906?
The above letter was written in 1909. I wonder if any of the criteria, (None were clearly cited in the letter) used to judge whether we were a legitimate university had been effected by the bill?

Second, whatever happened to fair competition? Who knows, because Ohio has a larger population, maybe we could of had two or three "fine" universities like Wisconsin. We will never know of course. Seems to me Thomas Pritchett had one thing on his mind and made sure of the outcome.
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Better Football Team? tOSU
Better O-H-I-O chant? tOSU
Better academic reputation/more difficult to get into? tOSU
Medical School vs. School of Osteopathic Medicine? Med School (tOSU)
Better business school? Fisher College (tOSU)
Better manners? believe it or not, tOSU, as showcased by your mascot this weekend...
Better party school? OU --> but that isn't something to be proud of...
Better everything? tOSU...and the sad thing is that you have had something like 66 years on tOSU before tOSU was even formed...and with that kind of head start, you STILL couldn't make it into the top 5, or maybe even 10, academic universities in the state? WOW...what the hell ARE you doing down there in Athens???


Better on-campus crime rate? tOSU
Better number of obnoxious fans? tOSU
Better absence of nature on campus? tOSU
Better chance of getting panhandled on the way to a bar? tOSU
Better chance of a former football player getting arrested for armed robbery? tOSU
Better chance getting to the national championship game? tOSU
Better chance of getting to the national championship game only to lose to an SEC team? tOSU


haha, really? When you are as great as Ohio State, you grow, both in size and in stature...with all of that good will come some bad, and I will take every bit of it...

Better on-campus crime rate? tOSU - more people = more crime...apples and oranges...

Better number of obnoxious fans? tOSU - I would argue that per capita, OU is definitely right up there...see the post above me, 11 different threads attacking OSU, and this is also the only reason I signed up on here...

Better absence of nature on campus? tOSU - so you have some more trees...we have world class research buildings and significant research actually being conducted here...we are contributing to academia, you are just regurgitating it...

Better chance of getting panhandled on the way to a bar? tOSU - again, more people = more crime, you already made this point...my guess is you just don't like big cities...

Better chance of a former football player getting arrested for armed robbery? tOSU - with great athletes, comes entitlement and some of these kids think they are above the law...Florida has had something like 35 arrests in recent years, and tOSU isn't even close to this...tOSU's criminal record for a big time program is actually one that should be commended...

Better chance getting to the national championship game? tOSU - haha, yes thank you...
Better chance of getting to the national championship game only to lose to an SEC team? tOSU - haha, jealous much? better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all my friend...besides we have a 1-2 record in BCS title games...

As to the point of 'some shady dude wrote a bill that screwed us and that is the only reason tOSU has anything, it should all belong to OU!' - this is somewhat asinine...but even if that were true, Miami doesn't have any animosity toward OSU, and in fact they have as good, if not a better academic reputation than tOSU...so why is it that OU is the only one that is bitter??? Oh wait, that's because inferiority breeds bitterness and jealousy...and it's also why you never hear OU brought up on Miami's campus, but you go to OU and those kids are bitching about Miami all the freakin' time...I know because I spent a lot of time on all 3 campuses, and OU is the only one bitching about anyone...

I wouldn't even be on here if it wasn't for one of your students dressing up as a mascot with his one ambition in life being to tackle Brutus...but it isn't actually that shocking really...

I made a little pictorial documentation of the event so that we could remember history accurately, check it out:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2558/brutusvbobcatcomicstrip.png
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Posted: 9/21/2010 10:13 AM
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Now I'm not going to deny that Athens has a beautiful campus, but there are people that appreciate architectural beauty as well.  It doesn't have to be nature always.


Agreed. People chose Ohio and Ohio State for very different reasons.


right, like the ones who want to learn how to spell 'choose' correctly go to tOSU, and those that are content with spelling it 'chose' and not understanding the difference are fine with going to OU
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Now I'm not going to deny that Athens has a beautiful campus, but there are people that appreciate architectural beauty as well.  It doesn't have to be nature always.


Agreed. People chose Ohio and Ohio State for very different reasons.


right, like the ones who want to learn how to spell 'choose' correctly go to tOSU, and those that are content with spelling it 'chose' and not understanding the difference are fine with going to OU


Dude, how old are you?
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Now I'm not going to deny that Athens has a beautiful campus, but there are people that appreciate architectural beauty as well.  It doesn't have to be nature always.


Agreed. People chose Ohio and Ohio State for very different reasons.


right, like the ones who want to learn how to spell 'choose' correctly go to tOSU, and those that are content with spelling it 'chose' and not understanding the difference are fine with going to OU


Dude, how old are you?


is this supposed to be an insult? immaturity is best defined by watching OU bitch about tOSU constantly, and I am personally sick of it. OU students and grads that hear I am a grad from tOSU always make some kind of snarky remark, and I am sick of it.

This is a taste of your own medicine, because to be honest, OU's arrogance/snarkiness is COMPLETELY unfounded...tOSU actually IS better in nearly every way, and yet I hear this crap from every OU grad I have ever encountered on different levels...

the sad part about it is that there is no reason for me to not want OU to do well in everything they do, excepting the fact that OU grads/fans constantly nag, complain to, and insult tOSU grads...and it is about time someone just told the truth to a group of OU grads/fans...the truth hurts, you are a minor league institution academically, athletically, and in maturity.  maybe take your focus to making a better image of OU instead of making your reputation worse by having a mascot attack Brutus, having a football coach get a DUI after drinking at the bars with undergrads, and bitching about Miami and tOSU...DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...instead of planning a huge Halloween party, maybe hit the books a little more and raise the bar for the incoming freshman class...hire better faculty and coaches...work hard to get some research grants that make a difference...

there may have been some legislation that held you back over 100 years ago, but nothing is holding you back now...so stop bitching and start changing the culture at OU so the state of Ohio can be proud of your university...

and tell your President that it needs to start with him...instead of telling a bunch of high school seniors that are touring campus 'We are better than THE Ohio State Universtiy' with a really offensive and sarcastic tone...

tell your fans to stop wearing shirts that look like the OSU logo but say 'Ohio THE State University' - just get over it already! DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE CULTURE...it is a sad campus to be on with all of that bitterness...
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Posted: 9/21/2010 10:44 AM
ForeverBuckeye wrote:expand_more
This is a taste of your own medicine, because to be honest, OU's arrogance/snarkiness is COMPLETELY unfounded...tOSU actually IS better in nearly every way, and yet I hear this crap from every OU grad I have ever encountered on different levels...


Can I hear a nomination for most ironic sentence in this post?
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Posted: 9/21/2010 10:47 AM
Obviously, columbus fans are not able to identify when they're boring and it's time to quit.
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Why are there a lot of discussions still on tOSU game? 1. because we were gutted and are feeling a bit frustrated. 2. because our mascot went nuts on Brutus and 3. tOSU fans are still around. 

Quite honestly, apart from the mascot thing, I could give a whip about playing tOSU. Our athletic budgets are separated by $100 million! We don't need to be messing in the deep end. There are plenty of other Big Ten teams that I would rather play and have a better chance of beating (see Minnesota and Illinois).

But, It's mind numbing to me the people who travel around athletic message boards alerting everyone to their school's academic prowess when people make decisions on universities based on a myriad of issues. Misinformation or not...who cares? What are you going to do? Covert us and make us see the light. I could give a rat's ass where script Ohio came from and I think Hang On Sloopy is a crappy rock tune. These are my opinions and while they may be misinformed; no one here cares. 

If I had done a better job in high school (and my high school was worth a lick) my choice would have been Brown or U of Chicago or Stanford. Making academic decisions between state schools in Ohio is akin to throwing an anvil on an ant; it's not like your going to miss anything. Please don't give me these enormous stats from Newsweek or whatever. There is little significance between the undergraduate educations at any state school in Ohio. You have a med school...great. I didn't want to be a doctor. Big friggin' deal.

However, most of us would say we chose Ohio for reasons that are obviously the same reasons why others attended Miami or Ohio State or Kent or whatever. The choice was more perspective and a "feeling". Maybe some of it had to do with a particular academic program. But, and let's make this point clear; there is no overriding evidence that separates one state school from another in Ohio. I was accepted to Ohio State and didn't go because I loved Athens. I really didn't even consider Ohio State; I just knew I could get in.

I hate these discussions because they cut at the very foundations of why we went to school. It's not like Ohio State is public Ivy or something. They're an enormous public funded university with a huge endowment and a loyal alumni base. There's a lot to like, but I chose a different path.  Let's not confuse tOSU with Harvard. Ohio is a mid sized university in a small town. It is, in most ways, a college town. I love it and there was no dynamite in the universe that would have prevented me from attending school there. Let us not degrade it by telling us that we're stupid. 

Now I know I've opened up the can of worms and some tOSU student or alum or fan will follow me with some statistical unit of measurement that will claim tOSU is better in every category than any other school...ever built. But, I will offer up this one rebuttal. 

If your world is so better, then why do you have the time to retort to some low life alum from Ohio University who obviously has an easy enough job to throw away 10 minutes on an athletic message board?

I'm comfortable with my decisions, my life, and my world. The question is...our visitors from Columbus (aka TGI Fridays)...are you comfortable enough  to shut up and go away? My bet is you'll type something on this board as a retort because that's what we've come to expect from the crowd in Nut-land. 
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Posted: 9/21/2010 10:48 AM
ForeverBuckeye wrote:expand_more
This is a taste of your own medicine, because to be honest, OU's arrogance/snarkiness is COMPLETELY unfounded...tOSU actually IS better in nearly every way, and yet I hear this crap from every OU grad I have ever encountered on different levels...


Just as an outside observer, there are bad apples in every fan base.  Some people bring those bad apples upon themselves.  Based off of your posting, don't you think that there's a possibility that you might bring that attitude on yourself (as well as exhibit the very things you complain about)?
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ForeverBuckeye (and good luck with that)...

Your ego sees it as bitterness when it's actually simply a call for justice.  The fact that your former players commonly have a bigger stage upon which to utter idiocy like "THE Ohio State University" is not a license to do so.  Just like the fact that you have access to the internet and a keyboard doesn't make your flawed arguments fact.  

The irony here is the depth of the group think syndrome your "fans" suffer from.  You all know the disdain towards your program isn't limited to the comments here.  It's not an inferiority complex on our part, it's a superiority complex on yours.  This is the reason so many other fan bases across the nation can't stand Ohio A&M.  It's not jealousy and it's not just conference rivalry.  The inescapable truth is it's the obnoxious fans.  When you have to organize a special council and buy billboard space to beg your fans to behave themselves it's pretty much the end of the discussion if there ever even was one.  The best part is that the base of your long term success (lemming fans that have no tie to the University) is also the core of your problems.

During the build-up to and the follow-up of the Alabama - Penn State game much was said regarding the mutual respect of the fan bases.  I've heard many sports figures mention how enjoyable and welcoming the Penn State fans are.  I find it quite telling that the one negative incident of note occurred when Ohio State visited Happy Valley.  I'm quite sure there's an underlying animosity that manifested itself during that incident.  Those feelings are there for the same reason one of your own former players stated he'd never return to a game after seeing how visiting Texas fans were treated.  Those few hours on Saturdays are the only time half of your fans have a chance to beat their chests and they do so at the expense of others just trying to enjoy the experience.

Honestly just keep wearing your flak jacket on the way to class and keep enjoying your bought and paid for success on the field.  We just endured a 1 day beatdown...We'll enjoy the other 364 days while you live with your well deserved reputation... 
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Posted: 9/21/2010 10:54 AM
Shawn Sellers wrote:expand_more
This is a taste of your own medicine, because to be honest, OU's arrogance/snarkiness is COMPLETELY unfounded...tOSU actually IS better in nearly every way, and yet I hear this crap from every OU grad I have ever encountered on different levels...


Can I hear a nomination for most ironic sentence in this post?


I'll 2nd...
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Posted: 9/21/2010 10:55 AM
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If your world is so better, then why do you have the time to retort to some low life alum from Ohio University who obviously has an easy enough job to throw away 10 minutes on an athletic message board?


Because our degrees allow us to have jobs that give us the time to waste on Message Boards.




j/k

I think you're right.  Everyone has their reasons for picking the school they went to.  I am personally not from Ohio, nor did I ever set foot in this state until I decided to go to college.

The schools I applied to were Georgia Tech, University of Southern California, University of South Carolina, Carnegie Mellon, The Ohio State University, and James Madison.  I lived in Virginia at the time.  I was accepted to all but Carnegie Mellon.

I chose The Ohio State University for one reason over the others.  (They were all excellent schools for the field I was going into)  To be in the marching band.  While music was not the field of study I intended on pursuing, music is a huge part of my life which is why it affected my decision process for the university I was going to attend.
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