Filing an objection to a trademark claim is not attempted theft.



Not overlooking that, but that's not what we're talking about here. You don't have any allegiance for your graduate school. And, as I pointed out earlier, you have no problems with divided rooting, so don't give me this.



The question isn't whether they wear apparel. Do they despise Ohio? Do they root against us? If so, that's wrong. If they merely wear part of what is likely a large collection of OSU gear, that's different.

Again, the question isn't about Ohio vs Ohio State.

Name stealing started way before the trademark/copyright suit:



You clearly have no idea what you are talking about in this matter.  You seem to view yourself as some type of one-man morality police in matters of school loyalty.  I have a degree of allegiance to OSU, but not on the football field, and seldom in athletic endeavors.  I made regular donations for years to a scholarship fund in the School of Journalism named in honor of the man who had supervised me during my graduate assistantship.  Now, the scholarship fund and the School no longer exist.  My major professor there was one of the best teachers I ever had.  He moved on to another job when things got real ugly at the OSU School of Journalism.  In fact, things there were somewhat ugly when I arrived with J-school faculty picketing because they didn't like the man who was chosen director, who my major professor and all the new faculty were hired by.  It was a house divided.  I, and most of the graduate students, sided with the new regime, but the whole environment was very stressful.  I won't go on, but you get the picture.  Despite all of this I maintained loyalty to the School of Journalism, which I separated in my mind from the university as a whole, and specifically from its athletic endeavors.  It was in the athletic arena that the name steaing was most prevalent, but to be fair it had occurred in other areas as well; like the 1914 attempt to have the legislature change the school's name to the "University of Ohio," when that failed they asked for the "The" to be added as a compromise.  They got that.  Enough said already, this ridiculous conversation has gone on way too long already.

Bet you get more bent out of shape about it than I do.   



Which many students here do, too. And you're going to tell them with a straight face they're wrong? You're so pre-occupied convincing me I'm wrong that I don't think you're at all trying to get my point.




You just helped me there, you know that?

No, I'm not bent out of shape about this issue, JSF.  Actually, I'm kind of amused by your arrogance.  And, no I didn't give you ammunition.  I was trying to show you the difference between the two situations, but you are either too dumb or too self-absorbed to the understand the nuances.  I suspect it's the latter and not the former!

Re rules to their liking...We all might keep in mind that the NCAA is member-driven and that the rules - and penalties for violations of same - have been created with input from member institutions. 

I guess I'm just too arrogant to keep up. Or too dumb. I can't tell which. I'm also lazy, so just assume I'm re-using an insult from earlier in the thread. I'm sure I've been insulting you a lot, because I know you'd never throw the first grenade.

Just a note re:  the "name" dispute and controversy...in watching old footage of OSU games in Ohio Stadium, the old scoreboard simply has "Ohio" for Ohio State.  Even if you consider that Ohio University's program has always been much smaller than Ohio State's, that's just plain arrogant. 

BTW, I have to admit that I really like the Big 10 Network.  I watch the programming fairly often.  I'm not unduly hateful toward OSU, but I'll have to admit that those commercials with OSU alumni doing the "OH...IO" thing make me somewhat sick. 

Who?



Of course. That's not really what I'm talking about, though. In MAC circles, we're accused of being the most arrogant fanbase. It's all perspective.

If this were a non-BCS School what would you suggest? If this were a SEC team in the deep south what would you suggest? if this were a West Coast school that has a stellar academic reputation, what would you suggest? To a lot of this this is personal because who it is involved. if it were someone else we would be advocating to throw the book at them and State fans would be leading that charge. I think the book should be thrown at them. Widespread corruption, a culture of kickbacks and laissez-faire, an attitude that winning is more important that the University, and many more problems than I care to list. If this were another school, what would you suggest? If it were Ohio University, what would you suggest? I would suggest the harshest penalties available for these errors even if they were committed in Athens.

I wouldn't suggest any more or any less than they deserve. That's the point.

OK, I take it all back.  You're not dumb; you're not too self-absorbed; you're not arrogant; you just have a very bad sense of humor. Me, I've never been accused of having anything but a universally understandable, extremely funny, never misunderstood, All-American sense of humor!   

Thanks, L.C.  I, for one, will take your wise advice.  

Though, I must admit that I'm a little surprised that you didn't comment on the fact that I almost went to Northwestern for my master's degree!