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OhioCatFan
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Posted: 6/29/2011 12:01 AM
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Or winning the MAC. Or coming close to winning the MAC. Or making a championship game. But it has helped them lead the conference in obnoxious, delusional, brain-damaged fans.

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Now we find he even hallucinates about driving through Athens and Meigs counties.  Maybe somebody sent him a little Meigs County Gold and he smokes it while posting on this board.  It's the only way I can think to logically try to explain the incomprehensible babbling he does on our board.   JSF, I loved your posts on this thread, particularly the one where you so cleverly worked in the "hoot" word.  Very well done!  All and all, this has been one entertaining thread -- good for a lot of laughs and not much else.  Laughing with my bobcatattack.com buddies and at MH55 (aka Owlpooper).
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Posted: 6/29/2011 2:25 AM
I assure you I was thru both counties last week. I thought I could skirt Ohio U and cut along the south and get back on RT 50. Nothing against OU, just thought I could sneak by. Hey, I like America and will peer and traipse thru any nook and cranny I can. 

Not gonna insult the Athenians or Ohioans as a whole on this thread. Ive checked it about 20 times and I got Slavin with 50 views at the edge of his bed with black socks, orange pecker and a handful of cool ranch Doritos but the other 800 views are not siding w L.C. Thats smart, because we all know he is completely wrong and demonstrates a woeful grasp of recruiting rules since schools went to 85 schilarships only about 30 years ago....

No question, I want the Owl to destroy Ohio. I had this one circled. It will take some work to get there mid-week but if I can drive all night after a huge turkey dinner and get to Athens early enuff to quaf a few pilsners, I can certainly work this Wed tilt out. Cant wait to meet someone else besides me drinking pregarme...
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Posted: 6/29/2011 2:32 AM
btw, JSF, since we're on the subject of academic eligibility, it was suggested I ask about your own travails at OU.

How many olympics occured between your enrollment and graduation  ???
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Posted: 6/29/2011 8:40 AM
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btw, JSF, since we're on the subject of academic eligibility, it was suggested I ask about your own travails at OU.

How many olympics occured between your enrollment and graduation  ???


I don't remember. When was Lake Placid again?
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Posted: 6/29/2011 10:33 AM
On the actual topic, Temple's high number of committments already is impressive. Just looking through scout, it's got to be one of the highest numbers in the nation at this point. I can't imagine that as a bad thing in any way, but it is in part, as pointed out, because of the recruiting style. Temple generally has large recruiting classes. However, of note, all of the players listed on scout.com for Temple are either two stars or not rated, although we all know those ratings, especially this soon, are not that great.

Most schools in the MAC only have a few committed players to this point. That is pretty much the standard. Eastern Michigan has none. Toledo has just three (but one of them is a 3 star). Bowling Green has two. There's a few schools that have five or six. Temple's number is extremely high for some reason. It could mean Temple is doing really well at recruiting so far or it could just be entirely by strategy, making final decisions sooner and getting players to committ quicker. But either way, I certainly don't think it can be said that Ohio's class is off to a slow start. I think it's pretty close to the usual.
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Posted: 6/29/2011 11:40 AM
Just to remind everyone, these recruits are 17/18 year olds.  Schools that fill up their classes before the season starts will suffer from "haste makes waste."  There will be new athletes on the scene.  Some will have just grown into their roles.  Often through the season athletes who have not played much before their senior seasons will blow up to catch and surpass others who found oportunities earlier.  The season needs to play out.  Me, I would rather have the younger 17 year old who is coming on, who is still growing, who will still get bigger, stronger and faster over the 19 year old hs senior who has dominated due to being older and is likely done growing..
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Posted: 6/29/2011 2:05 PM
We have a stated emphasis on bringing in recruits who will stick with us, who appreciate that Athens means that they are not playing in front of 80,000 and on national TV every game.  Who appreciate that Athens is wonderful in ways other than mega-media.

Yes, we are applying intelligence to the process.

I'm sure that someone here can explain this concept of 'intelligence' to the temples buffoon since he clearly does not understand it.  (boa optional, temples)



It ain't about verbals.  It's about who plays with honor.  It's about on the field.
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Posted: 6/29/2011 2:14 PM
There is nothing bad about having as many recruits this early.The point is that there is nothing different about this year than last, or the year before, or the one before that - Temple has always had more early recruits than Ohio, but, per MH55, many won't qualify academically and will be "stockpiled in prep schools", to use his words. Because there is nothing here different than prior years, I don't see this as any indicator that there will be a change in future fall results.
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Posted: 6/29/2011 2:31 PM
I'll chime in on this one.. There is a difference from last year for Temple.. .last year at this point Golden had 2 Verbals... Temple is at 17.  Is it Addazio's skill?  The SEC way of gray shirting?  Does it raise these players on bigger teams radar to possibly steal? Does it even matter?

Who knows.
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Posted: 6/29/2011 4:41 PM
Tu Video Guy raises an excellent point that someone on this board in the past had speculated on.  That is, does getting an early reported verbal put a player on other teams' radar in a way that a so-called "silent verbal" would not?  I remember someone (don't remember who, might have been L.C.) said that they theorized that Frank's style might be to ask committed players to keep their decision private and not immediately announced.  I don't know if this is indeed correct, but it strikes me as a definite possibility -- at least in some cases.  Frank's a very shrewd guy in the ways of recruiting.  
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Posted: 6/29/2011 4:55 PM
Thanks, video guy. I never really kept records, I just know that Temple always used to fill their class faster than the other MAC schools. It's nice to know there are some Temple fans capable of having a reasonable discussion.
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Posted: 6/29/2011 6:25 PM
Love reasonable conversations with somebody who understands fact. So over a ham sandwich I looked up who didnt enroll at Temple after signing a letter of intent and a scholarship offer from 2007-2010.

2007
Jeffrey Howie Did Not Qualify 
Richie Walls  DNQ
Tyreek Spain went prep school enrolled in 2009
Corwin Acker had Scholly pulled after arrest in summer before enrolling

2008
Tony  Cornelius had scholly pulled after legal trouble before enrolling
Ryan Murray went prep
Malcolm Williams DNQ

2009
Andrew Opoku reneged went to UConn
Aaron Hush (prep joining TU this year)
Ryan Murray Ater 1 year of prep DNQ
Jerry Watters (prep)

2010
Nate Smith (prep will enroll this year)
Gerald Silvera ???  

Thats 10 total players, 4 of which are coming to Temple. Only 4-5 players were offered and never made it to Temple, to the very best of my knowledge.  Well short of your estimated 44.......ridiculous.

L.C. comprehend what you are talking about before you put finger to keyboard. You made a fool out of yourself checking names against a roster and determining anyone on it dropped out for academic reasons or failed to qualify. There was several Juco's who played 2 years, players who sustained career ending injuries, early NFL declares and players who made it to Temple and just plain quit. 
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Posted: 6/29/2011 8:16 PM
MH, if you can provide a link to the 85 people currently on scholarship, I can match those up with the people that signed LOI's and then you can tell me what happened to the rest. As I explained above, we will find a variety of things - people that have used up their eligibility (Juco's, people that played 4 years without redshirting), people with injuries, people that transferred or left the program, etc. I have done a similar list for Ohio, and it came up to a few people in each category. I think the process of making such a list for Temple will give you a greater understanding of the program, just as making a list for Ohio gave me a better understanding of theirs.
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Posted: 6/30/2011 9:33 AM
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Posted: 6/30/2011 11:42 AM
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Get a life, L.C.


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Posted: 6/30/2011 11:50 AM
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MH55, now are all of the players on scholarship?

Interesting. the Owl spring roster above reflects roughly 80 athletes.  Not shown is who is actually on scholarship.  Check the Bobcat spring roster at the link below.  There are roughly 100 athletes.  The more "fanatical" fans know who is on scholarship, but, a difference of 20 athletes on a spring roster does reflect a real difference in programs.  Conclusions are left for individuals to draw.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/SpringRoster42111.pdf
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Posted: 6/30/2011 1:38 PM
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Love reasonable conversations with somebody who understands fact. So over a ham sandwich I looked up who didnt enroll at Temple after signing a letter of intent and a scholarship offer from 2007-2010.


When did the conversation switch from verbals to signings (which is very different than offers).  Let's all remember there are four primary stages to the process:  Scholarship offers - handed out rather liberally by schools -- so not too meaningful statistically.  Many MAC schools (Ohio and Temple included) will offer to a player knowing they have little chance of getting them but it is a good way to get the school's name on recruiting profiles and, who knows, maybe an injury will factor in.  Verbals - as stated above, non-binding.  i'm sure someone can find a stat for verbals that follow through versus those that do not.  55 can then compare those overall numbers to Temple the next time he is eating a hoagie (ham sandwich?  please).  Signings - the follow through on a verbal.  Showing who signed and who attended has nothing to do with the conversation regarding verbals - but I'm sure you found it of interest...for some reason.  Suit up - Actually attend. 

Temple is getting a lot of verbals.  Interesting.  Getting these verbals can be good or bad depending on if they follow through and how good they are/become. 

Many appear to be few to no star recruits.  Perhaps it is a sign of an average high school player seeing an opportunity to play right away...given the state of the Temple program.
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Posted: 6/30/2011 11:03 PM
All I need to know is that Temple has yet to defeat a MAC team with a winning record. I don't care if you dance on the sidelines or run out onto the field carrying 5 different flags. Until proven otherwise, MAC > Temple.

But really, at the end of the day, who gives a HOOT! 
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Posted: 7/1/2011 11:32 AM
Your big fish in a small bowl avatar is very ironic
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Posted: 7/4/2011 8:26 PM
           The only thing I want to know is,  Will MH55 and TU video Guy be joining the Bobcatattack Gang at our Pre-game tailgate this fall in Athens ?

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Posted: 7/4/2011 9:47 PM
Perhaps this could be the reason/tactic leading to the early commits to Temps, and perhaps our cure for our troll problem:

http://www.gazettenet.com/2011/07/04/temple039s-rumored-f...

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Posted: 7/4/2011 10:45 PM
Great catch, D.A.  I think you've got this one smoked out.  One more reason to keep the Owls zero win record against MAC teams with a winning record intact in 2011! 
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Posted: 7/5/2011 8:41 AM
I'm still waiting on LC's concession speech. I suppose he had a chance by now to review the Owl roster and concluded, between JUCo's, early departure's and a look at gameday rosters of previous seasons, he really didnt know what he was talking about.

No secret, "]["emple (and Ohio) would like to be in a better conference. Only difference is, like the recent Gomez song, "Options" "]["emple has some.

I'd love to tailgate as long as you promise me Kyle K will be Kept Kaged .

   
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Posted: 7/5/2011 11:22 AM
Im pretty sure it's impossible for Temple to be in the big east by next year. I read somewhere that it would have to be at least 2013. Sounds like the coaches are telling the players some lies. Or the recruits are just dumb idk.
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Posted: 7/5/2011 3:56 PM
No offense but a drive to Athens in November doesn't really light my fire...
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