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Mike Coleman
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Posted: 3/8/2011 6:43 PM
Mr. Mo Jo Risin wrote:expand_more
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This woman claims to have solid information. She says a Fed investigation was ongoing, and that OSU was told to keep quiet, the investigation ended in December, and OSU released it.

If this is true, it would seem odd for anyone to be punished, so we'll see.


Okay, but they reported to the NCAA that they found out in December, not that they found out in April and were told to keep quiet. Why the shenanigans? Did they tell the NCAA in December they found out in April and tell the press one thing and the NCAA another? Or did they lie to everybody? If they lied to the NCAA, well, they lied to the NCAA.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 7:26 PM
It sounds like Tressel thought the initial contact was part of an on-going drug trafficking investigation and didn't consider the NCAA ramifications as he thought two players may have been involved.

OSU found out about the emails and self-reported. So, basically, Yahoo scooped eggs on this one.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 7:45 PM
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Posted: 3/8/2011 8:14 PM
The most telling comment of the night  was Gordon Gee's response when asked if he ever considered firing his coach. "No, I would be more concerned that he would fire me."  That says it all about the state of big-time college athletics.



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Posted: 3/8/2011 10:16 PM
I hope the NCAA or the Big Tedozen insists that Tressel miss meaningful games.  Having him sit out Akron and Toledo isn't much of a punishment.  One or both (or more, if the NCAA adds to it) should be conference games, ala what was done to Bruce Pearl at TN.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 10:22 PM
My take:

-  Tressel broke the rules.  Just like his players, he should suffer the consequences.
-  NCAA rules = speed limits  -  Everyone drives 10 mph over from time to time.  Eventually, a cop catches you.
-  Yahoo! clearly has a source somewhere, as these two guys have broke mulitple stories, and they have all been legit.
-  OSU has the most self-reported violations, because they ACTUALLY report them.

The NCAA is a total joke, and this was my opinion long before anything about OSU came out.  Their rules are shades of gray, at best, and some of the disciplinary decisions leave you absolutely dumbfounded.

OUs Long Driver wrote:expand_more
Ohio University is one of only 17 FBS schools to never have a major violation.  Not saying its never happened but thought that was an interesting piece of information I read not long ago.

Yeah, we're probably one of only 17 FBS schools to not win our conference in 30 years too...

Which stinks, because it would be nice if the playing field was even.  I remember the SI report that discovered that wins and arrests are directly correlated.  It's a shame.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 10:23 PM
This story is just beginning.  I predict that the NCAA is not going to take kindly to lies they were being told.  I expect that the NCAA will require a lot more in terms of sanctions than what OSU has "self imposed."  Time will tell, but this has all the smell of USC Scandal Part II.   Little bits keep dribbling out and each revelation seems to lead to yet another revelation.  I hate to admit it, but I actually agree with the thrust of BL's post earlier in this thread.  
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Posted: 3/8/2011 10:38 PM
Reports indicate that OSU has had NCAA investigators working with them since early December.  OSU and the NCAA together appear to have found the email that set this whole thing off.  I personally think this whole thing is overblown.  It's not a house (Reggie Bush), pay to play (Cam Newton), or any sort of recruiting violation (Pearl, Calhoun).  Compared to what happens down in SEC country, the $1,000 to $2,500 the players received amounts to nothing more than petty cash.

And if more things come out and the program gets hammered with sanctions, Tressel probably just follows in the footsteps of Kiffin, Calipari, and Carroll to a sunnier job anyway.  Yay NCAA.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 10:56 PM
We'll have to see what yahoo comes out with next. From their prior investigations,you might assume they don't shoot all their bullets on the first story. My suspicions from the press conference is that Tressel actually did forward the email, actually answering "yes," to this question by Wetzel before being abruptly cut off by Smith. I wonder if yahoo has a copy of this forwarded email. If Tressel did forward the email, then wasn't this entire press conference and performance by JT bunch of gibberish?

Also, did you read the e-mails? How about the lawyer talking to Tressel about keeping the OSU players numbers out of seedy cell phones and keeping jerseys/rings out of evidence? Can you believe a lawyer would actually put this in an email? If these are the complete emails, at least Tressel ignored this offer. Also, was there any phone correspondence between Tressel and this lawyer. Not that we know so far, but this info is something that yahoo might be in possession of.

BTW...this drug dealer allegedly had a championship ring from redacted. ("no surprise here.") I guess this means, at the least, Clarett and Pryor run in the same circles. It's okay though. Sweatervest gave them all a hug and told them not to hang around the wrong crowd. And why did a car dealer named in a recent Dispatch story that loans cars to guys like Pryor for "test drives" have ties to Tressel back in Youngstown?
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Posted: 3/8/2011 11:03 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
The most telling comment of the night  was Gordon Gee's response when asked if he ever considered firing his coach. "No, I would be more concerned that he would fire me."  That says it all about the state of big-time college athletics.


+1     what an embarrassing quote for the University.


OhioCatFan - agree - top of iceberg to this story.


good take here - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_man...
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Posted: 3/8/2011 11:38 PM


Thing 1 and Thing 2. All grown up. Still cleaning up house before mother arrives.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 11:48 PM
cc cat wrote:expand_more
The most telling comment of the night  was Gordon Gee's response when asked if he ever considered firing his coach. "No, I would be more concerned that he would fire me."  That says it all about the state of big-time college athletics.


+1     what an embarrassing quote for the University.


OhioCatFan - agree - top of iceberg to this story.


good take here - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_man...


The look on Gee's face is priceless for a school whose image is propped by a football team..."oh s#$% we're finished"
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Posted: 3/9/2011 1:09 AM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
And why did a car dealer named in a recent Dispatch story that loans cars to guys like Pryor for "test drives" have ties to Tressel back in Youngstown?


Werid but true...

I bought my car from this same dealership before all this came out...

I wish I knew they worked in autographs.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 9:19 AM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
We'll have to see what yahoo comes out with next. From their prior investigations,you might assume they don't shoot all their bullets on the first story. My suspicions from the press conference is that Tressel actually did forward the email, actually answering "yes," to this question by Wetzel before being abruptly cut off by Smith. I wonder if yahoo has a copy of this forwarded email. If Tressel did forward the email, then wasn't this entire press conference and performance by JT bunch of gibberish?

Also, did you read the e-mails? It seems to me the lawyer in this case was actually trying to obstruct a federal investigation by talking to Tressel about keeping the OSU players numbers out of cell phones and keeping jerseys/rings out of evidence? Can you believe a lawyer would actually put this in an email? If these are the complete emails, at least Tressel seemingly ignored this. Also, was there any phone correspondence between Tressel and this lawyer. Not that we know so far, but this info is something that yahoo might be in possession of.

BTW...this drug dealer allegedly had a championship ring from redacted. ("no surprise here.") I guess this means, at the least, Clarett and Pryor run in the same circles. It's okay though. Sweatervest gave them all a hug and told them not to hang around the wrong crowd. And why did a car dealer named in a recent Dispatch story that loans cars to guys like Pryor for "test drives" have ties to Tressel back in Youngstown?


I agree with the first paragraph. Tressel answered yes to that question before being cut off. My thoughts:

Tressel did forward the first email to compliance.

Compliance fail = lack of institutional control

Coach fail = suspension and fine

Tressel fell on the sword imo.


A quote from Bob Knight today:
"Let me make one last comment, if I was capable of making a stronger defense for Jim Tressel, I would. Because he is a guy that I have tremendous respect for, and a great feeling of appreciation for how he goes about things as a coach. And that comes from me, as a coach, thinking that way about another coach. I couldn't say anything more about him than I already have because there's just nobody that I would feel more strongly about in terms of doing what's right than Jim Tressel."

Edit: I added the Bob Knight quote because Wetzel has stated in an interview that Bob Knight is the only coach he trusts.

Edit 2: Dan Wetzel just went on Dan Patrick's show and either has a great poker face or basically left no doubt that he is tapped out as far as information, more reason to think this has nowhere else to go.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 10:16 AM
Mr. Mo Jo Risin wrote:expand_more
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Edit 2: Dan Wetzel just went on Dan Patrick's show and either has a great poker face or basically left no doubt that he is tapped out as far as information, more reason to think this has nowhere else to go.


I heard that, too. I believe yahoo has a FOI request in.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 10:21 AM
I haven't read the e-mails, and am admittedly predisposed to hating Ohio State, but my initial impression upon watching Tressel's news conference was that he was lying through his teeth.  His alleged concern for the confidentiality of the e-mail made no sense, nor did his statement that he didn't know who to take it to.  The confidentiality thing is a ruse.  You can clearly maintain confidentiality while generally alerting someone to the issue.  For instance, "I have received notice that two football players I am not at liberty to identify may be associated with a criminal investigation...what should I do?"  As for who to notify, I find it almost impossible to believe that he didn't think either the AD or a university lawyer should be aware of this.

I really hope the NCAA brings the hammer down.  It is one thing to commit a major NCAA violation, but another to appear to blatantly lie about it after you are caught.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 10:30 AM
Mo Jo Risin should email/call/twit Cowherd on ESPN right now.

Cowherd is hammering Tressel.  But, Mike and Mike and now Cowherd have not talked about what Coleman/Mo Jo Risin have surmised.

That's an even bigger story.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 10:37 AM
Mark Schlabach hit the nail on the head with this one.  I've always thought Tressel was a slimeball despite his fabricated persona, now we have proof.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=6195223
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Posted: 3/9/2011 12:23 PM
excusesforcolumbus, excusesforcolumbus, excusesforcolumbus.  Tressel may be a great guy and he may do it right 99.9% of the time.  But if you can't tell that he screwed it here, is your moral compass all that you want it to be?

So, he's gonna miss fewer games than will the players involved?  The cover-up is less of a crime than the offense?
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Posted: 3/9/2011 12:50 PM
Akron Beacon Journal columnist Jason Lloyd really takes Tressel to task.  Beacon Journal is at www.ohio.com

The Dispatch on-line has 5 stories/columns on situation and shows little to no sympathy for Tressel.  One details Tressel's lies in the 5-pager that OSU sent to the NCAA.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 1:39 PM
Is anyone else on this board getting the run around from Ohio State and Tressel backers today? My god, my step brother, who is one the biggest Ohio State supporters I've ever known, is trying to explain to me that what Tressel did was right and that people don't know half the story.

Well the half the story I do know is this: he withheld information from the NCAA and compliance officers, lied to compliance officers, covered up information, and then mislead those same compliance officers when asked about the situation.

Now, I didn't learn much in my NCAA Rules and Compliance class, but I do know that if you lie and withhold information the NCAA is not going to take kindly to your actions. Dez Bryant lost his college career for lying, and Bruce Pearl was suspended EIGHT CONFERENCE GAMES. I expect the NCAA to step in and drop the hammer even harder than OSU's self imposed sanctions. If they don't will I be surprised? Nope.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 2:24 PM

For once I am in full agreement with an A&M related MoJo statement...

I too believe The Vest did disclose this information to the Compliance office and / or to Smith himself.  It's either that or he's an ego maniac beyond measure.  When something like that comes across your desk and you have as many other things to worry about as he does (not to mention the possible impact to a significant income), you put it in the appropriate hands ESPECIALLY if it has possible Federal legal implications.  The fact that Smith cut him off while he was admitting as much is just that much more telling.

Smith lied when this whole thing broke saying that the University failed to inform the players that this sort of thing was a violation.  A fact Pryor and others proved false later on when admitting they absolutely knew what they were doing was wrong.  He continued to lie last night and what makes it worse is the attitude both he and the vaunted academic E. Gordon Geewilikers demonstrated, basically announced to the world that this team and the revenue it generates is larger than anything or anyone.  In addition to the $$'s though, the reason they're so protective of him and his employment is that he is indeed falling on the sword to prevent implications even higher up.  Unless of course any of them was stupid enough to email anything related between each other...

All this crap about the media targeting Tressel because he's one of the few stand-up Coaches in the business is laughable.  When you write books (making even more money) extolling your beliefs in doing things the right way, you've set yourself up for the microscope.  To respond without apologizing once just goes to show how rampant the egos really are on that campus.

All the smoldering fires surrounding this guy and his programs...

Ray Isaac (Youngstown State QB)'s improper benefits
   The same care salesman involved in those improper benefits now working in Columbus
   The since convicted booster serving as a member of the board that originally hired Tressel and a constant resident of the sideline
Clarett's multiple issues and "eligibility" during a "National Championship" season
Troy Smith's improper benefits
Pryor "coincidentally" driving a loaner every time he happens to be pulled over

...in conjunction with the fact that the world is watching after the NCAA allowed the players involved to play in the Sugar Bowl, leaves me to believe they no longer have a choice but to drop the hammer.

The Vest has finally run out of "players with troubled upbringings", "rogue boosters" and "players not properly educated on NCAA infractions" to shift the blame too...

It's show time...

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Posted: 3/9/2011 3:21 PM
The big thing that stuck out to me reading the e-mails was that the first time any confidentiality was mentioned was in the second e-mail, two weeks after he received the first message.  That seems to destroy any defense that Tressel may have had in that regard.
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Posted: 3/9/2011 3:36 PM
I thought the same thing...And I'm sorry but when your entire professional life revolves around your team (not to mention the fact that your highest profile player is implicated) it doesn't take 2 weeks to get around to looking into it further or to bring it to AD / Compliance / Legal's attention...Especially when you're someone with organizational skills like The Vest clearly possesses...

I have no doubt that Compliance / Smith was aware...It's just a matter of whether or not investigators can dig up proof...

I'd love to hear a body language expert's opinion on that presser...Tressel may as well have been fitted with a shock collar...
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