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Posted: 1/6/2011 10:58 PM
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All of the 5 players, other than Boom Herron due to young RBs, were all set to come back before the suspensions.

The suspensions started the thoughts of going pro early in order to avoid them.

Tressel had three options:

1. Don't suspend for bowl and also receive no pledge.

2. Suspend for the bowl and receive no pledge.

3. Don't suspend for the bowl but use it as a bargaining chip to receive a pledge to return.


Option 1 is obviously the most lenient. The players would avoid all punishment. Option 2 punishes the players for 1 game, but allows them to avoid the 2011 suspensions. Option 3 has the players face a 5-game (or 3-4 after appeal) suspension.

Tressel's choice comes as close to assuring the harshest punishment as is possible.

Obviously, the players could leave anyway. However, they have promised their coaches and their team, and those promises have been made public. None of them are sure-fire 1st round players, so the coach's recommendation, the lie to the team, and the lack of using OSU's pro day would hurt these guys badly.
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ActuallY OSU could not keep the players from participating in the pro day, however they can deny the use of access for anything else. Pro day rules are pretty explicit, you have a right to attend at your home school and your home town.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 6:48 AM
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AhHgvKrl8...


I suppose this report, taken to its extreme, could result in an eventual Ohio victory over OSU last year for the record book.
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knowledgeable people whom i trust in columbus tell me that the yahoo report is generally true, although obviously not complete because it does not include tresssel's and smith's explanation for what they did and why they did it.   the big q is, explanations or not, what type of ncaa sanctions may be triggered...
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I expect nothing more than a slap on the wrist from the NCAA, perhaps a suspension against EMU at most.  I get so tired of hearing how Tressel is such a "class act".  Not self reporting major violations seems to be the opposite of that.  If nothing else comes of this I at least hope everyone stops using "class" to describe him over and over.  Just because a guy wears a sweater vest doesn't mean he's classy.

 

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He has been dirty since his Youngstown days. What bothers me most is that most Wal-Mart Buckeyes don't care or want to understand. Just win and play Hang on Sloopy. Who cares how that happens.

http://www.thelantern.com/2.1351/clarett-accusations-find-new-support-1.86476
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Posted: 3/8/2011 1:07 PM
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OUs LONG Driver wrote:expand_more

I expect nothing more than a slap on the wrist from the NCAA, perhaps a suspension against EMU at most.  I get so tired of hearing how Tressel is such a "class act".  Not self reporting major violations seems to be the opposite of that.  If nothing else comes of this I at least hope everyone stops using "class" to describe him over and over.  Just because a guy wears a sweater vest doesn't mean he's classy.

 




I think before making any judgment there should be more than an "anonymous source" talking about a "concerned third party" who is "unclear" about what Tressel did with the information.

Even if true, Tressel probably gets hit with hundreds of such comments, mostly untrue or not illegal, on a weekly basis.

Not sure the "slap on the wrist" comments make much sense either. Five of OSU's best players are suspended five games for selling personal trinkets to a non-booster. OSU gained no competitive advantage, as the kids were already on the team and could have sold trinkets at any school of choice.

Meanwhile, Auburn won a NC while Cam was a known part of a pay-to-play scheme that altered a school choice and reached $180,000.

Who is getting the slap on the wrist again?
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Posted: 3/8/2011 1:35 PM
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I knew you'd be all over it Mo Jo, hopefully your other OSU boys will chime in too.  I consider the media outlet very credible in this instance.  This isn't some blog with a college kid behind the keyboard.  I'm confident in saying Yahoo Sports isn't publishing a story with months of research behind it unless they have proof it's true.  Perhaps they do not wish to reveal their sources.  I wasn't a journalism major but I think that's nothing new. 

The penalties levied aginst the guilty players and the Cam Newton saga are not related to the new story about Tressel.  I don't enitirely agree with the NCAA's decision in either of those cases but that's not what I was discussing in the original post.

Tressel is not the squeaky clean coach that he's made out to be by the faithful.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 1:41 PM
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Valley Cat wrote:expand_more
He has been dirty since his Youngstown days. What bothers me most is that most Wal-Mart Buckeyes don't care or want to understand. Just win and play Hang on Sloopy. Who cares how that happens.

http://www.thelantern.com/2.1351/clarett-accusations-find-new-support-1.86476


That article says Tressel introduced the QB to a local businessman so the kid could have a job - not illegal.

An ESPN article about the same subject said the same thing, but added the QB first received no-work money when he wanted to go to a fair and couldn't because of a lack of funds. The guy (Monus) then gave him $150 to go. From that point on, he started receiving payments.

Monus ended up being crooked in every way, but generally, people did not know that at the time. He was a big success. Hindsight is a little bias.

My brother used to work at a business on the Ohio campus and they gave minor handouts (not cash) to a few select people too. Find a coach and string him up.
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I knew you'd be all over it Mo Jo, hopefully your other OSU boys will chime in too.  I consider the media outlet very credible in this instance.  This isn't some blog with a college kid behind the keyboard.  I'm confident in saying Yahoo Sports isn't publishing a story with months of research behind it unless they have proof it's true.  Perhaps they do not wish to reveal their sources.  I wasn't a journalism major but I think that's nothing new. 

The penalties levied aginst the guilty players and the Cam Newton saga are not related to the new story about Tressel.  I don't enitirely agree with the NCAA's decision in either of those cases but that's not what I was discussing in the original post.

Tressel is not the squeaky clean coach that he's made out to be by the faithful.



Here are my thoughts:

I want to see how detailed the report to Tressel was and in what form it came. 

I want to see how Tressel responded to the tip, and depending on the above, the response necessary changes according to the tip.

If the tip was vague and through email, then I have no problem with Tressel ignoring it.

Otherwise, it depends on the details of his response.

Did he investigate but not follow proper procedure? If yes, then he should be sanctioned but slapped on the wrist.

Did he hand it over to compliance and forget it? If yes, then I have no problem with his response.

Did he totally ignore it? If yes, then it depends on the reasonableness of that decision, which depends on the details of the tip.

Did he find out about it and cover it all up with hopes it would go away? If yes, he should resign or be fired.

I just think a wait-and-see approach is prudent in this case. Yes, anonymous sources are fairly common. Yet, accusations proven to be untrue, followed by a retraction on the back page, are fairly common also.

Edit: OSU has a press conference at 7pm. Let's see what happens.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 3:01 PM
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Mr. Mo Jo Risin wrote:expand_more
Meanwhile, Auburn won a NC while Cam was a known part of a pay-to-play scheme that altered a school choice and reached $180,000.  And don't get me started on that Troy Smith driving a Hummer thing in Ohio State's national championship year either...not to mention Maurice Clarette...


There, fixed that for ya.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 3:28 PM
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OSU Press Conference at 7. Rumblings that Tressel might be resigning.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14788378/a...
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Wow.  I'm the last person who wants to perpetuate talk about A&M on this board but Tressel's resignation goes beyond the sports page in Columbus.  This would shake dear old Cowtown to the core.

It's a defining moment for Gene Smith, too.  My perception is that he isn't really loved by the faithful and this could go either way for him.

Say he "resigns".  Who's next?  Pelini, Dantonio? What about the guy from Boise State?  Anybody waived a billion dollars under his nose yet?
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Another religious hypocrite...

He's been going around Columbus signing copies of some book he wrote quoting motivational phrases and bible verses....apparently the bible said its fair game to lie to the NCAA and obstruct an investigation, while at a minimum ignoring other rule-breaking that takes place in your program.

Bruce Pearl, Jim Tressel, Tim Floyd, Lane Kiffin...all liars who should be fired on the spot. If all these high and mighty academics want to preach about how sports is clouding up their educational landscape, this is a much better starting point than reaching for the stars on budget numbers.
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I'm going to wait to draw conclusions until the press conference tonight.  I like Tressel and hope he isn't found guilty and fired. 

There's a lot more to this story than what meets the eye.  If Tress knew, I would have thought he would've went to the players FIRST before he allowed somebody to dictate how he ran his football season.  The ramifications of this are just too large for Tress to try to sweep it under the rug.

It would be a shame if the NCAA allowed Tressel to be fired and make Ohio State forfeit their season (even if one of the games was us) for not trusting these people's words when Cam Newton was involved in a 180,000 dollar scheme to get him to Auburn.  An absolute shame.  If Tressel goes, so should the entire board that looked into the Newton scheme.
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If he lied to NCAA investigators when asked if he had had "any" indications that there had been a violation, then he should be fired.  No matter who tipped him off to the problem last April, he certainly would have remembered it and made full disclosure when questioned by investigators in December.  If he lied, he should be toast.
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Hope they wait until at least April until they terminate him.  He's speaking at an upcoming event to raise money for a non-profit organization I serve on .  Would suck to have to return all that money.
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He isn't resigning or getting fired. He may face a suspension.

Tressel is the ultimate prize for journalists looking to make a big splash. It's the nature of the beast. They would rather go after a guy like Tressel, whom they perceive to project a holier-than-thou persona, rather than somebody like Saban, who is rather upfront about his dbaggery.

When you have enough people shooting at you, every now and then, one of them is going to draw blood.
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
Meanwhile, Auburn won a NC while Cam was a known part of a pay-to-play scheme that altered a school choice and reached $180,000.  And don't get me started on that Troy Smith driving a Hummer thing in Ohio State's national championship year either...not to mention Maurice Clarette...


There, fixed that for ya.


I liked Jeremy Fears' luxury SUV too.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 5:17 PM
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Just read this:

"This will not be pretty tonight and it is what it is................

But it also isn't a multi-thousand dollar payment/payments for a player/players.............the common method of the day.

And if the program was so dirty, these kids would be funneled money on the side and not need to sell their stuff.

But the fact is, the kids messed up, and I believe tonight we will hear that Jim Tressel also made a mistake. I hope I'm wrong.............."

Bill Greene :: Ohio Recruiting Analyst for Scout.com

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Mr. Mo Jo Risin wrote:expand_more
Meanwhile, Auburn won a NC while Cam was a known part of a pay-to-play scheme that altered a school choice and reached $180,000.  And don't get me started on that Troy Smith driving a Hummer thing in Ohio State's national championship year either...not to mention Maurice Clarette...


There, fixed that for ya.


I liked Jeremy Fears' luxury SUV too.


Pretty sure I wasn't rationalizing any non-compliance on Ohio's part friend, just pointing out some extreme rationalization that runs rampant in Buckeye Nation.  Enjoy the festivities tonight.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 6:14 PM
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
Meanwhile, Auburn won a NC while Cam was a known part of a pay-to-play scheme that altered a school choice and reached $180,000.  And don't get me started on that Troy Smith driving a Hummer thing in Ohio State's national championship year either...not to mention Maurice Clarette...


There, fixed that for ya.


I liked Jeremy Fears' luxury SUV too.


Pretty sure I wasn't rationalizing any non-compliance on Ohio's part friend, just pointing out some extreme rationalization that runs rampant in Buckeye Nation.  Enjoy the festivities tonight.


Life goes on.

Here is something else posted by Bill Greene:

"MORE:

I was told that Ohio State is actually the party that found the email and self-reported it to the NCAA. This was not supposed to come out until after the appeal was heard for the 5 players, but Yahoo ended that plan..........and it sounds like Yahoo has a mole inside the NCAA..

Tonight should be a full mea culpa by Jim Tressel, where he admits blame and accepts the consequences. He will more than likely be suspended, but that will probably not be announced tonight.

I would expect Coach Tressel to accept all the blame, and ask that nothing be added to the team or the players. I also expect Gene Smith to vigorously defend Jim Tressel as a man who might have made a mistake. But while not being perfect, this does not at all constitute an action that is anywhere near termination."

Bill Greene :: Ohio Recruiting Analyst for Scout.com

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Posted: 3/8/2011 6:28 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6194133

From ESPN:

"In May of 2009, The Columbus Dispatch reported that since 2000, Ohio State had reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to the newspaper through public-records requests. Most of the infractions were minor and resulted in little or no punishment."

Over that time frame thats about a violation every 8 days.  Obviously every program has some violations that are minor or unintended but that's to the point of almost being impressive.  

Ohio University is one of only 17 FBS schools to never have a major violation.  Not saying its never happened but thought that was an interesting piece of information I read not long ago. 

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Posted: 3/8/2011 6:31 PM
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twitter.com/Tf0620

This woman claims to have solid information. She says a Fed investigation was ongoing, and that OSU was told to keep quiet, the investigation ended in December, and OSU released it.

If this is true, it would seem odd for anyone to be punished, so we'll see.
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OULD, don't point out something as trivial as never having a violation.  Clearly it will be met with disdain at how podunk Ohio is, how they lie about attendance, play a horrible schedule which marginalizes its existence and how it should just go ahead and drop to D3 or play as you go/intramurals status because the poor students shouldn't be asked to pay for any ICA costs.

And it nearly goes without mentioning that all Ohio fans should all just become tOSU fans, because, for all things good and reasonable, tOSU is the only "real" college athletics option in Ohio.  Golly, I can't believe we all could lower ourselves to being Ohio athletics supporters.

You should just keep your facts to yourself.
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