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Posted: 12/26/2010 9:07 AM
Well, it's clear that none of them will be hanging around for graduation day.  There's no economic value in an A&M diploma. 
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Posted: 12/26/2010 10:42 AM
From this morning's NY Times in an article on Jared Sullinger.  I wonder what his father and coach Satch would say about the decisions that OSU made on playing players in the upcoming bowl.

But perhaps the most important moment of Sullinger’s high school career came during his sophomore year. Satch suspended Jared for a district semifinal game against Westerville South for not completing his homework.

“The worst day of my life,” Jared said.

When Satch caught Jared trying to put on his uniform for the game, Satch would not let him.

“If everyone fouls out,” he told him, “I’d rather play with four than put you in the game.”

Northland lost to Westerville South, and Jared Sullinger still feels guilty about letting the seniors on that team down. The losses sting because there are so few.  Satch said his son went 98-4 during high school and 288-15 in his summer basketball career.

 “He put life in perspective for me,” Jared said. "He said, 'We can do this locally or do it at the national level and have ESPN looking at it with Ohio State.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/sports/ncaabasketball/2...

 

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Posted: 12/26/2010 11:57 AM
The NCAA is an institution which is built on, and values, integrity more than anything else.

It is hurtful to read here the insinuations that money may influence the NCAA's decisions.  You can be sure that money is no factor at all when the NCAA decides.

Sincerely, The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, The Earth Is Flat, The Check is Good, The Insurance Company Is Changing The Policy For Your Benefit, Politicians Are Honest and No One In The NBA Ever Travels Or Palms It.
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Posted: 12/26/2010 1:59 PM
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if you read the ESPN article Julie Posey essentially says that Delvar sold his ring for her. I guess this guy needs thrown in jail for taking something of value and selling it for his mother. If you know the Posey family this speaks volumes.


And Cam's Dad was looking to use the money to fix his church.  Now that's volume!!
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Posted: 12/26/2010 2:10 PM
Pryor's a real gentleman and a scholar
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Posted: 12/26/2010 3:52 PM
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From this morning's NY Times in an article on Jared Sullinger.  I wonder what his father and coach Satch would say about the decisions that OSU made on playing players in the upcoming bowl.

But perhaps the most important moment of Sullinger’s high school career came during his sophomore year. Satch suspended Jared for a district semifinal game against Westerville South for not completing his homework.

“The worst day of my life,” Jared said.

When Satch caught Jared trying to put on his uniform for the game, Satch would not let him.

“If everyone fouls out,” he told him, “I’d rather play with four than put you in the game.”

Northland lost to Westerville South, and Jared Sullinger still feels guilty about letting the seniors on that team down. The losses sting because there are so few.  Satch said his son went 98-4 during high school and 288-15 in his summer basketball career.

 “He put life in perspective for me,” Jared said. "He said, 'We can do this locally or do it at the national level and have ESPN looking at it with Ohio State.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/sports/ncaabasketball/2...

 



Satch should head the NCAA.  It would no longer be the Not Completely Above-board Association.
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Posted: 12/26/2010 9:06 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
if you read the ESPN article Julie Posey essentially says that Delvar sold his ring for her. I guess this guy needs thrown in jail for taking something of value and selling it for his mother. If you know the Posey family this speaks volumes.


Don't know the family but this is one time when mom would have been better off not saying anything.  After reading this article I'm not sure she's getting much sympathy.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/...

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Posted: 12/26/2010 10:17 PM
Some other schools making a statement by letting everyone know they're holding players out of at least part of the game for 'team rules'.

Georgia Tech: 3, 1 starter, 2 backups. Also 4 for academics.
Iowa: not mentioned who, but 'several' to miss bowl game.

(just repeating from the halftime report at LCPB)
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Posted: 12/27/2010 9:13 AM
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If Pryor had not been involved, you could bet the farm that none of the rest of the players involved would be goin to Nawlins.  Pryor IS that team, and without him the Cowtowners have NO chance.  Tressell knows it, and that's why they pushed the suspensions to the fall.


No, I have a friend who is a head student manager there and he said that the NCAA stepped in because of the money involved in this game.  Ohio State was originally going to sit them out but NCAA wanted people to go to this game so they stepped in and let them play.  It wasn't Tressel's call here.  Most Columbusers and OSU alum are not pissed about the punishments, they're pissed that the players did this.  Many of them actually would have rather seen them sit out the game so it wouldn't be considered tarnished if there was a win.


+1

I agree totally, most OSU fans are more pissed about the players and how the NCAA is letting them play in the bowls versus the actual punishment of sitting 5 games. Now if they win in the Sugar Bowl it will be tainted.

If it was soley up to Tressel all 6 of them aren't playing in the Sugar Bowl. BUT the NCAA wouldn't let them.

And yes, Tressel could sit them for the Bowl game, but then the NCAA will not consider it time served since they said they are eligible for the Bowl game. It's a double edged sword there, sit them for the Bowl game and still serve 5 games the next season?  What good comes of sitting them from the bowl game then?

But it has been settled, they are playing in the Bowl game. Tressel allowed the seniors on the team to vote whether they would play or not, and not surprisingly, the seniors voted to let them play.

Greg Doyle had an interesting article on CBSSports website. Really... why not let them play in a meaningless bowl game? It protects the people that paid for tickets and paid for the trip already. The BCS people are going to make money regardless if they played or not. But the people that are going to the game are the ones losing out on the deal.
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Posted: 12/27/2010 10:16 AM
The excuse of the players helping their families is bogus. I wonder how many cans of spam were bought? Or how many electric bills paid?  I really don't care what they did, but the excuse of why they did it is horrible.  Adams is from Dublin, OH.  Means streets over there, he's lucky to alive really.   Herron had a brother that played in the NFL for parts of 4 seasons and is still trying to play.  But luckily the family has Big 10 championship rings and gold pants to rely on.  

This would have been easier to stomach if Tressel and Smith came out and just said the kids screwed up, but if they did that the NCAA most likely would have suspended for the bowl game.  The seater vest stinks on this one.

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Posted: 12/27/2010 10:47 AM
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The excuse of the players helping their families is bogus. I wonder how many cans of spam were bought? Or how many electric bills paid?  I really don't care what they did, but the excuse of why they did it is horrible.  Adams is from Dublin, OH.  Means streets over there, he's lucky to alive really.   Herron had a brother that played in the NFL for parts of 4 seasons and is still trying to play.  But luckily the family has Big 10 championship rings and gold pants to rely on.  

This would have been easier to stomach if Tressel and Smith came out and just said the kids screwed up, but if they did that the NCAA most likely would have suspended for the bowl game.  The seater vest stinks on this one.


I know Herron didn't need the money. Last year I was at a car dealership in Warren getting new tires and I saw Boom there buying a new Lincoln Navigator. He probably used all this cash as a down payment.
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Posted: 12/27/2010 11:20 AM
Herbstreit on Pryor

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/15522

It's no secret Pryor's never been a favorite of Herbie's (and he has some very honest quotes here) but he continues to quasi defend The Vest.

News flash...Pryor is just the latest example of how completely spineless the Ohio A&M Athletic Dept is.  Clarett, Holmes and a cast of others are all shining examples of what that program churns out.

Cryor has behaved like a self absorbed punk from day one and A&M has bent over and treated him the exact same way everyone has for his entire life.  These players are a means to an end, plain and simple.  If it were any other way, things like blaming other players for failures and screaming at coaches on the sidelines wouldn't be tolerated out of anyone, much less the "face of the program".

Yes I hate A&M.  Yes I understand this kind of thing goes on elsewhere.  I also know that that even though history continues to repeat itself at A&M, no one wants to consider the fact that the Staff / Administration should shoulder at least part of the blame for fostering the kind of environment that enables this behavior.  
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Posted: 12/27/2010 12:16 PM
If Ohio State's president, AD or head coach had the ethical principles to do the right thing, they'd simply suspend the players from the bowl game and that would put an end to this embarrassing incident for those who live in the state of Ohio.
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Posted: 12/27/2010 12:23 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
If Ohio State's president, AD or head coach had the ethical principles to do the right thing, they'd simply suspend the players from the bowl game and that would put an end to this embarrassing incident for those who live in the state of Ohio.


Maybe we're pot calling kettle black.  But otherwise, Alan's answer is right there for ya.

C'mon--If Tressel was sooo concerned, he'd suspend 'em for the bowl game regardless of any other circumstances.

Good to know that the NCAA believes in full, fair, timely punishment.  In fact, most states will be changing their laws to let those convicted of crimes choose when they serve their sentences.
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Posted: 12/27/2010 5:34 PM
I loved your link. Those were powerful and personal thoughts by Kirk H.   Wow!  I don't like OSU but Tressell is a good person. However, may his team rot with corruption. 
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Posted: 12/28/2010 9:45 PM

NCAA policy allows suspending withholding penalties for a championship or bowl game if it was reasonable at the time the student-athletes were not aware they were committing violations, along with considering the specific circumstances of each situation. In addition, there must not be any competitive advantage related to the violations, and the student-athletes must have eligibility remaining.

The policy for suspending withholding conditions for bowl games or NCAA championship competition recognizes the unique opportunity these events provide at the end of a season, and they are evaluated differently from a withholding perspective.

This is language from what someone forwarded to me as the purported NCAA release re this situation.

NCAA gets A+ for lack of integrity:  lack of awareness defies belief...how about competitive advantage related to allowing 'em to play in the bowl game!...eligibility remaining--uh what about likelihood of ability to turn pro, thereby not experiencing any personal penalty....but mostly unique opp:  unique opp for the NCAA to make a shload of $$$$$.

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Posted: 12/29/2010 3:41 PM
Taken from ESPN.com:

Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan told The Columbus Dispatch that he encouraged Ohio State officials to push for the players to be allowed to play Jan. 4 against Arkansas in New Orleans.

"I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year's game, we would greatly appreciate it," Hoolahan said in Wednesday's editions of the newspaper. "That appeal did not fall on deaf ears, and I'm extremely excited about it, that the Buckeyes are coming in at full strength and with no dilution."

Is this guy serious?  If I was Allstate today would be his last day as executive director of that bowl.  Integrity of the game - what an absolute joke.

Here's the full dispatch story:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/12/29/players-sorry-sugar-bowl-isnt.html?sid=101

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Posted: 12/29/2010 5:36 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more

NCAA policy allows suspending withholding penalties for a championship or bowl game if it was reasonable at the time the student-athletes were not aware they were committing violations, along with considering the specific circumstances of each situation. In addition, there must not be any competitive advantage related to the violations, and the student-athletes must have eligibility remaining.

The policy for suspending withholding conditions for bowl games or NCAA championship competition recognizes the unique opportunity these events provide at the end of a season, and they are evaluated differently from a withholding perspective.

This is language from what someone forwarded to me as the purported NCAA release re this situation.

NCAA gets A+ for lack of integrity:  lack of awareness defies belief...how about competitive advantage related to allowing 'em to play in the bowl game!...eligibility remaining--uh what about likelihood of ability to turn pro, thereby not experiencing any personal penalty....but mostly unique opp:  unique opp for the NCAA to make a shload of $$$$$.



Wouldn't it have been reasonable for these upperclassmen to stop for a moment and think, "Maybe I should check with our compliance people about this"?  Isn't that sort of thing drilled into student athletes from before Day 1?  It's not like they sold their TV or their car, as I've seen brought up elsewhere.  They got the "gold pants" and other things they sold because of their participation as student athletes, and it seems reasonable that they should have been aware of the possibility of a violation.  I've read that the six who were involved and their teammates are pushing for some kind of punishment associated with the bowl game (e.g., not starting).  If that's the case, then they're showing some integrity that is sorely lacking from A&M's administration and coaching staff.
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Posted: 12/29/2010 6:28 PM
I need a little help figuring something out here. In my years of following OSU, and the years of living in Columbus, I've never seen OSU fans/media act the way they are this year. What I mean by this is in years past, every indiscretion by an OSU athlete was rushed to be downplayed, ignored, disproved, or otherwise swept under the rug. However this year, it seems like all angles of OSU faithful think these players 'deserve everything they get', and even wonder why they're playing in the bowl game.

My question to those who have a guess is why OSU fans are up in arms this time around(and not usually)?

- Is it because the 'season is lost' as they're not in the title game?

- are these players (esp. Pryor) not 'loved' as prior OSU players have been?

- Something else?

It doesn't matter a whole lot to me, but seems that buckeye nation got a conscience all of a sudden.
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Posted: 12/29/2010 6:38 PM
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I need a little help figuring something out here. In my years of following OSU, and the years of living in Columbus, I've never seen OSU fans/media act the way they are this year. What I mean by this is in years past, every indiscretion by an OSU athlete was rushed to be downplayed, ignored, disproved, or otherwise swept under the rug. However this year, it seems like all angles of OSU faithful think these players 'deserve everything they get', and even wonder why they're playing in the bowl game.

My question to those who have a guess is why OSU fans are up in arms this time around(and not usually)?

- Is it because the 'season is lost' as they're not in the title game?

- are these players (esp. Pryor) not 'loved' as prior OSU players have been?

- Something else?

It doesn't matter a whole lot to me, but seems that buckeye nation got a conscience all of a sudden.


Great questions Ben.  My guess is that even the most diehard of fans, you know, the ones who get upset if a relative schedules a wedding during football season, see how ludicrous it is to let the players play in the bowl and then start their "sentence" next year if at all.  In a court of law, when the sentence has been pronounced and the gavel rings down, you go immediately to jail.  In this case, they get to have their cake and eat it too on national tv and then maybe, just maybe they'll have to serve time.  I believe that most reasonable and rational people see the utter foolishness in this and therefore are expressing their outrage.

The best way to express that outrage is is to not send money to OSU this next year.  Want to talk about money talking.
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Posted: 12/29/2010 9:06 PM
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  In a court of law, when the sentence has been pronounced and the gavel rings down, you go immediately to jail. 


That's not necessarily true, especially when it comes to local football stars.  In '06 a couple of playmakers from the Kenton HS football team were involved in a prank where someone was seriously hurt.  They were convicted in August and the judge allowed them to serve their 60-day sentences after the football season ended.  There was a HUGE uproar in Kenton and elsewhere about this.  Could be some of this disgust has trickled down to Cowtown.  Also, some may believe that, in this economy, athletes should be satisfied with getting a free ride to one of the better known football factories in the land.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 10:50 AM
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I need a little help figuring something out here. In my years of following OSU, and the years of living in Columbus, I've never seen OSU fans/media act the way they are this year. What I mean by this is in years past, every indiscretion by an OSU athlete was rushed to be downplayed, ignored, disproved, or otherwise swept under the rug. However this year, it seems like all angles of OSU faithful think these players 'deserve everything they get', and even wonder why they're playing in the bowl game.

My question to those who have a guess is why OSU fans are up in arms this time around(and not usually)?

- Is it because the 'season is lost' as they're not in the title game?

- are these players (esp. Pryor) not 'loved' as prior OSU players have been?

- Something else?

It doesn't matter a whole lot to me, but seems that buckeye nation got a conscience all of a sudden.


My thoughts are that two factors are contributing to this reaction...

1.  Buckeye nation has tolerated Pryor's behavior to date because he's been propping the program up but he's tested even the most die hard lemming's resolve basically for the entire time he's been in uniform.  They already have a complex about National perception of their program though, and this black eye along with Herbstreit's public reaction gives them an excuse to jump on the bandwagon and make it known that they "won't tolerate this kind of thing".

2.  What was sold I believe also contributes to their rage.  A player selling things like the gold pants and championship rings basically reveals to the world that they could care less about the University, the tradition, etc.  This is especially embarrassing when one of the players in question is the face of the program and drastically so when it's the player they were about to push as a Heisman candidate (a complete joke in and of itself).

When you couple those underlying feelings with the fact that Braxton Miller is incoming, it enables the masses to take a rare ethical stance.
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mcbin wrote:expand_more
I need a little help figuring something out here. In my years of following OSU, and the years of living in Columbus, I've never seen OSU fans/media act the way they are this year. What I mean by this is in years past, every indiscretion by an OSU athlete was rushed to be downplayed, ignored, disproved, or otherwise swept under the rug. However this year, it seems like all angles of OSU faithful think these players 'deserve everything they get', and even wonder why they're playing in the bowl game.

My question to those who have a guess is why OSU fans are up in arms this time around(and not usually)?

- Is it because the 'season is lost' as they're not in the title game?

- are these players (esp. Pryor) not 'loved' as prior OSU players have been?

- Something else?

It doesn't matter a whole lot to me, but seems that buckeye nation got a conscience all of a sudden.


I hesitate to post a message in an OSU thread, but I'm convinced of one possibility regarding this question. These players are accused of selling Buckeye-related materials, and that smacks OSU fans in the face with the reality that these guys are "hired guns," that they don't really cherish OSU the way the fans do. The Buckeye "Nation" now feels personally betrayed by these players--like these players don't really care about OSU. they only care about themselves. 

That reality is enough to make OSU fans draw the line. The relative "level" of crime in this case is magnified by the perceived personal affront to the university. 

P.S. This is not a slam on OSU. I believe the same behavior happens at nearly every major program nationwide.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:40 AM
I don't know if anybody else heard this, but Chris Spielman was announcing one of the bowls yesterday, forget which one. Anyway, he said that he would not be surprised if the guilty players were suspended for the bowl game by Tressel. If not suspended than at least punished by not starting. He seemed pretty sure that Tressel would do it. I guess we'll see what happens.
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