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Posted: 12/23/2010 4:44 PM
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Does anyone think Mr. SweaterVest will start another QB in the bowl game to set an example for other players and to enforce team discipline? ;-)


Why should he? These guys have been declared eligible for the bowl game by the NCAA.


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Posted: 12/23/2010 4:48 PM
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Tressel and the osu A.D. were quick to point out that the five can appeal their suspensions. I'm betting that Tressel and the A.D.s will be quick to grant them at least part of their appeal as they have Michigan State as the fifth game. They sure stopped short of suspending them for the NEBRASKA game. And, if they go pro - where's the punishment??? Paying back a restitution will be of little consequence. And why don't they have to sit for the sugar bowl - would it be ARKANSAS?
Hey NCAA - I do believe that Georgia had to sit a player for about the same thing - they didn't have 9 months to prepare for losing him. How about some fair and equal treatment ???
Do you not understand how the punishment system works? The NCAA handed down the suspensions, NOT OSU, so Tressel nor the AD had anything to do with this. And yes the athletes have the right to appeal, it is called due process and is a guaranteed right when property or value is being denied.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 5:14 PM
They can appeal and will be turned down.  It will  be interesting if any declare for the draft.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 5:22 PM
Big Willy wrote:expand_more
Does anyone think Mr. SweaterVest will start another QB in the bowl game to set an example for other players and to enforce team discipline? ;-)


Why should he? These guys have been declared eligible for the bowl game by the NCAA.


You mean like Boo was?
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Posted: 12/23/2010 5:57 PM
OrlandoCat wrote:expand_more
Does anyone think Mr. SweaterVest will start another QB in the bowl game to set an example for other players and to enforce team discipline? ;-)


Why should he? These guys have been declared eligible for the bowl game by the NCAA.


L2readsarcasm


Yes, you got it right.  Just call me Mr. Sarcasm!

And, Ringo, you get a gold star also -- the nexus for my sarcasm was an oblique reference to the Frank and Boo show.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 6:02 PM
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Let 'em play in the bowl game, then suspend them for five that are pretty well meaningless.  Boy, that'll show 'em!

The NCAA has no spine.


Those games include Miami (FL), Colorado, and a big one against Michigan St.

I wouldn't call those meaningless.

Colorado pretty well bites, and the Miami game is pretty well meaningless in my book.  As far as the Big Ten and Rose Bowl are concerned (which outside of running the table, that's the prize they're looking at), the only game with any meaning is MSU.

OzCat, agree as wholeheartedly with your post here as any of yours I've read.  Lot of things wrong with the NCAA's current setup.  While I do think 5 games is a big harsh, I also think letting them play the bowl first is weird -- and don't get me started on the Newton issue.  Lots of things need to change, but probably never will.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 7:10 PM
The entire system is a farce.  Put me in the players should be paid camp.  Now I don't think they should be making anything over $10,000 a year, but c'mon.  How much money has the NCAA, Ohio State, and Nike made selling #2 jerseys?  How much money has Cam Newton generated in ticket and jersey sales.  How much have both of these guys made the NCAA, their respective schools, and ESPN/FOX in bowl game ratings?  Everyone is making millions of dollars off of these athletes except the athletes.

And the way the NCAA hands down punishments is flat-out aggregious.  If they broke the rule, then they sit immediately.  Same goes for Newton.  Given that 4 or the 5 guys are juniors, I would be willing to bet not one of them serves any punishment.  They'll all head to the NCAA prematurely, which hurts the school and the athlete, as I think all of them would be better served by another year in college.

The entire 'they get a free education' argument is also mute.  Simple fact is that if minor league basketball or football existed, none of these top tier guys would even go to college.  They have very little, if any, interest at all in attending class.

Now that I think of it, OU should probably forfeit their 2004 MAC Championship.  After the game at the Clevelander I bought shots for Diamond Gladney, Michael Green and James Bridgewater.  Tear down the banner!
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Posted: 12/23/2010 7:39 PM
The 5 game suspension is surprisingly fair... except for the fact that it doesn't include the next game. For reasons all have said above, the draft, the appeals, the right to play in the Sugar Bowl ect... it hurts. It hurts me to be an Ohio fan who sits underneath the shadow of Ohio State, and on today, the day the NCAA should have cut off a  big branch, they just picked off a couple leaves that will be back in bloom soon.

I view this offense as a rolling stop by Ohio State. All schools including our own have players that have made similar offenses (maybe they weren't compensated quite as well, but they still broke the rules). It's not that big of a deal. We all roll stop signs, but when we get caught we get tickets. Tickets are a punishment and I'm just not seeing how Ohio State got punished. Even if the suspension isn't reduced and Posey, Prior, and Harren don't move on, they'll have their 5-star freshman QB and a team full of top-shelf talent to win their first five games. Even if Ohio State lost their first five games they'd still only have 1 conference loss, all of their guys back, and be in the driver seat to win the "Leaders" division (with Wisconsin and Penn State at home), the Big 10 championship, and the BCS Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 9:52 PM
Anyone on BA know where I could get a 2008 Big tweleven Champion ring?
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:07 PM
If Pryor had not been involved, you could bet the farm that none of the rest of the players involved would be goin to Nawlins.  Pryor IS that team, and without him the Cowtowners have NO chance.  Tressell knows it, and that's why they pushed the suspensions to the fall.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:14 PM
Big Willy wrote:expand_more
Does anyone think Mr. SweaterVest will start another QB in the bowl game to set an example for other players and to enforce team discipline? ;-)


Why should he? These guys have been declared eligible for the bowl game by the NCAA.


He's not gonna do that since it punishes the rest of the players on the team who have worked so hard with being stuck with the 2nd team QB  for a bowl game.

Wait.....does that mean for Ohio.....naaaa....never mind.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:16 PM
This shows how seriously A&M views the situation (from an AP story quoting Gene Smith):

As Smith and Tressel left Thursday’s news conference, Smith tried to lighten the mood.

“We might,” he said with a smile, “hire a tattoo person and put them in the Woody Hayes (Athletic Center).”

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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:25 PM
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This shows how seriously A&M views the situation (from an AP story quoting Gene Smith):

As Smith and Tressel left Thursday’s news conference, Smith tried to lighten the mood.

“We might,” he said with a smile, “hire a tattoo person and put them in the Woody Hayes (Athletic Center).”


LOL  Pata! But what these players have done is far worse than merely signing a picture in exchange for some ink. These players were selling their gifts and awards. If, this is a big if, slosu had any pride they would dismiss these players for what they have done and how they have "pimped" their own school. Typical, last time I saw Terrell Cryor run for more than 10 yards, he was carrying a car stereo....
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:35 PM
T-Rodge wrote:expand_more
This shows how seriously A&M views the situation (from an AP story quoting Gene Smith):

As Smith and Tressel left Thursday’s news conference, Smith tried to lighten the mood.

“We might,” he said with a smile, “hire a tattoo person and put them in the Woody Hayes (Athletic Center).”


LOL  Pata! But what these players have done is far worse than merely signing a picture in exchange for some ink. These players were selling their gifts and awards. If, this is a big if, slosu had any pride they would dismiss these players for what they have done and how they have "pimped" their own school. Typical, last time I saw Terrell Cryor run for more than 10 yards, he was carrying a car stereo....


How can you sell Gold Pants if you know anything about tradition?

It's like if we gave all OUr seniors red pants if they beat the Red Chickens and they in turn sold them.....I'd be pi$$ed at em and wonder about their loyalty or lack of same.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:42 PM
Aside from the suspension discussions, I feel that OSU is taking a bit of an identity hit themselves.  How would you feel that YOUR star player was out selling university given memorabilia such as the gold pants and award from the fiesta bowl just to have it sold on the streets for a few tats??... I think if Ohio St. had any pride in their program and tradition they would hope for pryor to leave for the draft.  He is just a winey, selfish, POS in my opinion, and this just tops it off.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:58 PM
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How can you sell Gold Pants if you know anything about tradition?



Speaking of traditions, I stumbled upon this today. Ohio State has moved their beloved "Buckeye Grove" where they plant a tree for each All-American, three times! (1961,1997,2001). And now apparently the replanted trees are dying! lol

www.thelantern.com/campus/steam-line-a-threat-to-buckeye-trees-near-stadium-1.1650245
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Posted: 12/24/2010 3:40 AM
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Aside from the suspension discussions, I feel that OSU is taking a bit of an identity hit themselves.  How would you feel that YOUR star player was out selling university given memorabilia such as the gold pants and award from the fiesta bowl just to have it sold on the streets for a few tats??... I think if Ohio St. had any pride in their program and tradition they would hope for pryor to leave for the draft.  He is just a winey, selfish, POS in my opinion, and this just tops it off.


At least get the fact right, they were trading autographs for tattoo's.  They were selling the other items for hard cash.

I do find it funny that they sell the gold pants, but even more funny the amount of people who don't know what the gold pants tradition is or when/how it was started. 

This whole thing smells of fandom vs playerdom and it's just another example of how we the fans want the players to care as much as we do, just to be reminded time and time again that they don't.
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Posted: 12/24/2010 9:02 AM
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Do you not understand how the punishment system works? The NCAA handed down the suspensions, NOT OSU, so Tressel nor the AD had anything to do with this. And yes the athletes have the right to appeal, it is called due process and is a guaranteed right when property or value is being denied.

Don't be condescendingJCW.  We all know how that the NCAA imposes consequences and we all know about due process.   We aloso know that the NCAA is not fair and consistent when doing their  job.  A.J. Green sold an Independence Bowl Jersey for aa grand and got an immediate 4 games suspension - not the next year.  What I'm saying is that a coach and an A.D. with guts and integrity will impose their own consequences and handle things in house.  What we hear is OSU defending  these players by saying that we(OSU) did not educate them about rules. Secondly, the A.D. defends them by saying they were helping their families.  What Tressel (and the NCAA) should do is suspend fron the bowl game - not next year when most likely they'll be gone.
Last Edited: 12/24/2010 9:08:11 AM by Ohio Alum84
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Posted: 12/24/2010 10:53 AM
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If Pryor had not been involved, you could bet the farm that none of the rest of the players involved would be goin to Nawlins.  Pryor IS that team, and without him the Cowtowners have NO chance.  Tressell knows it, and that's why they pushed the suspensions to the fall.


No, I have a friend who is a head student manager there and he said that the NCAA stepped in because of the money involved in this game.  Ohio State was originally going to sit them out but NCAA wanted people to go to this game so they stepped in and let them play.  It wasn't Tressel's call here.  Most Columbusers and OSU alum are not pissed about the punishments, they're pissed that the players did this.  Many of them actually would have rather seen them sit out the game so it wouldn't be considered tarnished if there was a win.
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Posted: 12/24/2010 11:21 AM

Orlando hit the nail on the head.  As fans, we want these players to care about their program as much as we do.  Some do, some don't, and this pisses many fans off.  Well, fan is derived from fanatic.  We way too often care about sports entirely too much.  We'll dwell on a loss for days.  Meanwhile, Jeter is in South Beach with some hottie the next day after being knocked out of the playoffs enjoying life.  That's how it is.

I'm ready for Pryor to go.  Diva, selfish, and full of himself.  The NCAA is absolutely killing me with these sanctions.  How can you supposedly police athletics when you're clearly bending rules in the name of dollars?  What a joke.

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Posted: 12/24/2010 9:40 PM
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Do you not understand how the punishment system works? The NCAA handed down the suspensions, NOT OSU, so Tressel nor the AD had anything to do with this. And yes the athletes have the right to appeal, it is called due process and is a guaranteed right when property or value is being denied.

Don't be condescendingJCW.  We all know how that the NCAA imposes consequences and we all know about due process.   We aloso know that the NCAA is not fair and consistent when doing their  job.  A.J. Green sold an Independence Bowl Jersey for aa grand and got an immediate 4 games suspension - not the next year.  What I'm saying is that a coach and an A.D. with guts and integrity will impose their own consequences and handle things in house.  What we hear is OSU defending  these players by saying that we(OSU) did not educate them about rules. Secondly, the A.D. defends them by saying they were helping their families.  What Tressel (and the NCAA) should do is suspend fron the bowl game - not next year when most likely they'll be gone.[/QUOTE]

If we had a great track record with discipline I may agree with you, but we do not, in fact the AD took the power of discipline away from our coach.  There is a reason for that.  As for why the NCAA does what they do, only they can answer that!  The Newton situation is way more serious than this, and was handled in a far more head scratching way.

I am with Ringo here, many OSU fans are not happy that these players sold things that the die hard OSU fan holds near and dear.  As for the NFL, let's be serious, TP is not a big NFL prospect at this time, and may never be, Posey is probably the best prospect of the bunch and I would be surprised if he went anywhere on the first day.

Last Edited: 12/24/2010 9:43:10 PM by John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 12/25/2010 5:26 PM
Gene Smith also said that people need to understand that this (selling OSU memorabilia) happened during one of the worst economic times in history and that these players were simply trying to support their families back home during these times.....  That seems like a statement from someone who thinks we are all complete idiots who see the world through scarlett and gray glasses. YIKES

Coach Tressel has to be going absolutely nuts with this thing.  When Pryor tweeted that he had paid for his tatoo, I told my wife that Tressel's head had to just explode.  My guess is that the person who has been in charge of keeping Pryor under control for 3 years is looking for some new responsibilities about now.
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Posted: 12/25/2010 6:08 PM
if you read the ESPN article Julie Posey essentially says that Delvar sold his ring for her. I guess this guy needs thrown in jail for taking something of value and selling it for his mother. If you know the Posey family this speaks volumes.
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Posted: 12/25/2010 7:24 PM
Don't know about the Posey family, but I do know that if Pryor's family was in great need the first thing he might do is to sell his expensive car that he's always parking in unauthoriized areas around his dorm rather than his assigned parking space.  I suspect that he's not getting ticketed for that either.
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Posted: 12/26/2010 9:02 AM
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if you read the ESPN article Julie Posey essentially says that Delvar sold his ring for her. I guess this guy needs thrown in jail for taking something of value and selling it for his mother. If you know the Posey family this speaks volumes.

Wow, didn't see this angle coming from JCW. In other words, it's ok to break the rules or do something extremely unethical if it's for your family? OK, it's acceptable to sell something of value if the money is used for the greater good?
Just like Scam Newton's father trying to get paid to play, but he was trying to get the money for his church. I'm sure the Posey family is a wonderful group of people, but is that $2.5k really gonna make a big difference in their lives? After all, isn't he going to be in the NFL and making millions in a year or two?
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