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Posted: 6/9/2011 10:30 AM
Piney...I believe it was reported the dealership reported the purchase price of the original car in question to the state as $0. On a $15,000 car, that could be as much as $1,012 in sales taxes avoided, given Franklin County's 6.75% rate.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 11:20 AM
Al Capone got prison time because of tax evasion, not because he killed and ordered people killed.  To follow up on BattleCat's point, when you buy a car, as I am assuming most everyone here has done, you get a detailed bill of sale that shows you exactly what you are being billed "on paper" for that vehicle, and what taxes you are being required to pay to the state.

Everyone that purchased cars in this fiasco are equally complicit in tax evasion by not correcting the figures on that paperwork, and that will end up being a far bigger deal in a court of law than any of the NCAA/sweetheart deals turns out to be.  The State of Ohio is in far too dire financial straits to just let that go unaddressed.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 11:31 AM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
Piney...I believe it was reported the dealership reported the purchase price of the original car in question to the state as $0. On a $15,000 car, that could be as much as $1,012 in sales taxes avoided, given Franklin County's 6.75% rate.


You missed the correction. The Dispatch was too lazy to look back further. The title that had $0 on it was when he re-financed the car loan, which is normal operating procedure on re-finances as you don't pay sales tax on that. They found the original title that had the sales price on it (too lazy at the moment to hunt for the listed price)
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Posted: 6/9/2011 2:49 PM
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You have to give up privacy to your bank account to play college ball? Holy crap. That would give me severe pause if I had been offered a scholarship.


I did not know that you had been offered a football scholarship.

Then, you are way out of context here.  No; you don't give up that privacy to play ball.  You are, however, subject to a subpena of your records if grounds sufficient to support issuance of a search warrant are proven to a court (in governmental/potential crime circumstances).  I imagine that the NCAA may have some sort of enforcement power that way, also.

That is, if you break the rules/laws, your records may be subject to a search.  Your records are not subject to a search merely by your act of playing football.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 5:57 PM
NCAA has no such power.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 6:19 PM
Monroe, you missed the "IF clause."  JCF was posing a hypothetical.  
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Posted: 6/9/2011 6:41 PM
From our good friends on the basketball forum:  New O$U Script for the 2012 Season.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 8:12 PM
No, OCF.  His 'if' was about him being offered a college scholly.

There's no if here:  "You have to give up privacy to your bank account to play college ball?"  There is an underlying assertion.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 8:36 PM
Moot point, because unless you are criminally involved our bank records are off limit.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 10:05 PM
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No, OCF.  His 'if' was about him being offered a college scholly.

There's no if here:  "You have to give up privacy to your bank account to play college ball?"  There is an underlying assertion.


Not trying to be argumentative, but here's the full quote: " You have to give up privacy to your bank account to play college ball? Holy crap. That would give me severe pause if I had been offered a scholarship."  

You then approached it as though he had been offered a scholarship.  Now, I realize that there is an underlying issue not related to the hypothetical, but I think his emphasis was on how he would have reacted had he been offerred an athletic scholarship.  However, it's all a moot point now.  BC tells us that you don't give up you bank account privacy unless there's a legal issue and court involvement.  

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Posted: 6/14/2011 6:49 AM
A piece in the "Sports Ticker" in today's The Record  says that Luke Fickell  said "he didn't know of any rules violations because he was focused on his job as a defensive assistant."   
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Posted: 6/14/2011 9:18 AM
Also in today's news, the attorney whose tip started the inquiry, a former Buckeye player,  is being investigated:
http://www.nwherald.com/2011/06/13/ohio-court-investigate.../
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Posted: 6/14/2011 12:45 PM
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A piece in the "Sports Ticker" in today's The Record  says that Luke Fickell  said "he didn't know of any rules violations because he was focused on his job as a defensive assistant."   


That was paraphrasing what Fickell said. But close enough.


Another bit from his press conference was that he spoke to Frank Solich and asked him for advice.  How dare he help the enemy!!!
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Posted: 6/14/2011 12:57 PM
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Another bit from his press conference was that he spoke to Frank Solich and asked him for advice.  How dare he help the enemy!!!


Finally little brother comes to us for advice :) Secondly, he didn't say Frank's advice which was: Stay out of OHIO, Lebowski, I mean Fickell.
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Posted: 6/14/2011 4:40 PM
Here is an interesting tidbit from Oregon

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/14/cliff...
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Posted: 6/14/2011 7:04 PM
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Another bit from his press conference was that he spoke to Frank Solich and asked him for advice.  How dare he help the enemy!!!


Judging from the response to his press conference, I can guess what he asked Solich about.
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Posted: 6/15/2011 1:48 PM
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Judging from the response to his press conference, I can guess what he asked Solich about.


Could've been about succeeding a legend.

Could've been about surviving an investigation into star players and fast cars.

When Fickell was in middle school, Solich was Doug DuBose's position coach at Nebraska. DuBose, a star running back, caught extra attention at that time for driving a very nice Nissan 300zx:

articles.latimes.com/1989-09-02/sports/sp-1279_1_nebraska-football

A quarter-century later, Pryor's notoriety increased when he drove a 350z to a team function.

Then and now, it was a challenge to figure out how the star got the car and if an "extra benefit" had come their way. No violation was found regarding DuBose. According to the NCAA, most of Maurice Clarett's cars were OK, but one Monte Carlo was not:

www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2004-11-26-clarett-cars_x.htm

If anyone cares to slog through the rulebook, here's a decent link from Niagara University:

www.niagara.edu/ncaa-rules-extra-benefits/

For Pryor's sake, and despite whatever complicity he shares in the overall O$U scandal, I hope the lavish treatment doesn't mess him up the way it messed up DuBose, who got addicted to cocaine at Nebraska and was really struggling as recently as several years ago:

articles.courant.com/2005-05-01/features/0505010019_1_store-manager-arrest-addict

www.facebook.com/people/Doug-DuBose/1577213110

And I hope Bobcat fans will be realistic about OUr chances of seizing the moral high ground, given our pedigree.

 
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Posted: 6/15/2011 3:11 PM
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Judging from the response to his press conference, I can guess what he asked Solich about.


Could've been about succeeding a legend.
 


Knorr is a legend?
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Posted: 6/15/2011 4:57 PM
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Posted: 6/15/2011 5:24 PM
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Judging from the response to his press conference, I can guess what he asked Solich about.


Could've been about succeeding a legend.
 


Knorr is a legend?


You beat me to it!!!!
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Posted: 6/21/2011 9:04 PM
Funny how know one jumped on this, sad day for some on BobcatAttack

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6686479
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Posted: 6/21/2011 9:47 PM
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Funny how know one jumped on this, sad day for some on BobcatAttack

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6686479


My dear friend, I have read about this, and have 2 questions to ask. One how did they get the funds to pay for the automobiles? and was it the BMV or NCAA that said there was no problem with the auto purchases? In all reality, the cars are nothing compared to the other stuff that has come to light.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:32 PM
You are right.  The cars are a just a nail - the NCAA coffin already exists.
Last Edited: 6/21/2011 10:33:10 PM by cc-cat
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:53 PM
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Funny how know one jumped on this, sad day for some on BobcatAttack

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6686479


True, it is VERY sad. There goes our death penalty! 
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:26 AM
From my reading of the article,I'm not sure OSU is off the hook for the car sales.
The article says that Ohio's BMV determined that no State Laws were broken.However,as the article points out,this doesn't mean that the car sales didn't violate NCAA rules.

My brother in law was a car salesman.
When I went to buy a car from him,I was amazed at  the incentives,discounts, packages etc. that he had available.None of these were,in any way, "illeagal" but not every customer that comes in would either know about them or be able to get them.

If the OSU players, and/or  their families, were given similar treatment,that could violate NCAA rules for players and/or their relatives recieving "special treatment " .
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