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Posted: 6/8/2011 11:31 AM

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The NCAA isn't going to need cooperation from Pryor to investigate this latest revelation.  O$U revoked this joker's press credentials.  They obviously knew what was going on (even a Father of a former player has come out and confirmed he witnessed "stacks of cash" exchanging hands for signed memoribilia) and yet still the Compliance Dept made zero efforts to look into it.

The scarlet & grey shaded arguments against LOIC have less and less basis every time the Media puts pen to paper...


If they revoked his press credentials, and limited him from campus and being around the athletes at OSU, than OSU did what was in their powers, not like they can put the guy under house arrest, nor can they watch every player 24/7.  The merchandise thing goes on and is almost impossible to stop.  Pick a prominent player of a major college team and ebay them.  You will find litterally hundreds of photo's, mini helmets, and footballs. 

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m...

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=marcus+lattimore&_sacat=See-All-Categories

How do you seriously control this?  I am not saying what this guy and the OSU players did was right in anyway.  I am saying thought that this problem is almost impossible to monitor and police.


I think it's safe to say when a parent notices and we're talking about numbers like $40K that the compliance dept should have self reported this.  Again though (just like after they were notified he was pulled over for a 3rd time driving a loaner) they saw "no reason to investigate".

Regardless of what "goes on everywhere" it's pretty clear that the corruption runs deep at A&M and that their first move is to bury their collective heads in  the sand when something arises.  It may be impossible to police (although if parents have seen it surely someone on the staff has...and how hard is it to walk through the parking lot to check on what players are driving?)

What it is possible to do though, is to take action on the occasions when you encounter it.  O$U loves to tout the size of their compliance dept and the number of self reports they put in.  The problem is, they just flat out ignore issues that involve players that are critical to the continued success of the football team in specific.

Like I've said all along...They are going to get hammered, and rightly so.  Something needs to happen to change the landscape of College Football and these guys have basically chuckled at the law for too long now... 

Last Edited: 6/8/2011 11:40:25 AM by Bobcat36
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Posted: 6/8/2011 11:41 AM
This is becoming downright fascinating.  I think we're seeing the beginning stages of a systematic failure of OSU's athletics department.  And it touches multiple sports - I have a friend whose daughter coaches women's crew at another B10 school and she's constantly complaining about the questionable recruiting tactics of OSU. I'm sure basketball and the other major sports are all knee-deep in this stuff.


 
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Posted: 6/8/2011 12:14 PM
I am sure that the checks were not running through OSU or the Compliance department, sure Pryor and some of his buddies probably knew what the take was, but I doubt that Pryor was reporting his earnings to the IRS or to any staff at OSU.


And we've already heard from some of these parents, and they see/saw nothing wrong with a few extra bucks to help their kids education.  Parents are not going to run and tell on their own kid, and some are probably even a catalyst.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 12:22 PM
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I am sure that the checks were not running through OSU or the Compliance department, sure Pryor and some of his buddies probably knew what the take was, but I doubt that Pryor was reporting his earnings to the IRS or to any staff at OSU.


And we've already heard from some of these parents, and they see/saw nothing wrong with a few extra bucks to help their kids education.  Parents are not going to run and tell on their own kid, and some are probably even a catalyst.


I think the point the others are trying to make is: if the the compliance people knew this was going on and that's why they ordered him to stay away from the players, then this is further evidence of a culture of deceit at OSU. Of course, if no one knew anything but TP and few others then you can't really blame the athletic department for it.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 12:24 PM
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This is becoming downright fascinating.
 


I know.  So far the line of defense/response from OSU- Columbus appears to have been:

It’s only tattoos

Everybody does it

He lied to protect his players from baaad people

I hope he doesn’t fire me

He knew about it November, no, September, no, we mean April

Emails? What emails?

They paid the same, kinda, fair price, kinda, as everyone else for those cars (and their parents, friends and mentors too!)

The athletic department never spoke to anyone at the car dealership

Okay, maybe once

Umm, umm

Ray, what are you doing talking!!

Hey, we let the coach go

We have no idea where he got all that equipment.  It’s ours, but we didn’t give it to him or notice anything missing

Hey, the player most involved is now gone and he took his $40,000 with him

But we did take away that guys press credentials

It’s hard to police, what do you want us to do?

But their parents didn’t mind – "Dad, you seen the car keys?"

I still don’t think the NCAA will be too harsh? 

Why us?



I'm sure I'm missing some
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Posted: 6/8/2011 1:16 PM
What did you want them to do? Arrest the guy? Home confinement? Send him to Gitmo?
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Posted: 6/8/2011 1:47 PM
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What did you want them to do? Arrest the guy? Home confinement? Send him to Gitmo?


That's a good one!  You're right.  I missed that feeble excuse/response in my list.

here is a revision of the bottom of the list with that ridiculous response added in:

But we did take away that guys press credentials
What did you want us to do? Arrest the guy? Home confinement? Send him to Gitmo?
It’s hard to police, what do you want us to do?
But their parents didn’t mind – "Dad, you seen the car keys?"
I still don’t think the NCAA will be too harsh?
Why us?


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Posted: 6/8/2011 1:55 PM
Probably could have water boarded him?
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Posted: 6/8/2011 2:05 PM
Easy, just boot his (POS) white pickup truck.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 2:10 PM
At least these players are not stealing phone cards from their dorm mates.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 2:44 PM
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At least these players are not stealing phone cards from their dorm mates.


As far as we know,  But your statement raises the question, "which players did steal phone cards from their dorm mates."  Who are you referring to? 
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Posted: 6/8/2011 4:02 PM
cc cat wrote:expand_more

Everybody does it



Sadly, this is probably their best argument.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 4:21 PM
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What did you want them to do? Arrest the guy? Home confinement? Send him to Gitmo?


Investigate and self report...It's not complicated...It's what they're paid to do...
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Posted: 6/8/2011 4:25 PM
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Everybody does it



Sadly, this is probably their best argument.


Probably, but it won't fly.  I know the upcoming NCAA hearing is not a court of law, but the everybody-is-doing-it defense never carries the day in a real court.  Next time you get picked up for speeding, just tell the cop or state trooper that he or she should be ticketing the guy who sped past you ten minutes ago doing 105.  I'm sure the officer will immediately put the citation book down and start pursuing the real criminal! 
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Posted: 6/8/2011 5:42 PM
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I am sure that the checks were not running through OSU or the Compliance department, sure Pryor and some of his buddies probably knew what the take was, but I doubt that Pryor was reporting his earnings to the IRS or to any staff at OSU.


And we've already heard from some of these parents, and they see/saw nothing wrong with a few extra bucks to help their kids education.  Parents are not going to run and tell on their own kid, and some are probably even a catalyst.


I think the point the others are trying to make is: if the the compliance people knew this was going on and that's why they ordered him to stay away from the players, then this is further evidence of a culture of deceit at OSU. Of course, if no one knew anything but TP and few others then you can't really blame the athletic department for it.


It all depends on why he was ordered to stay away. Maybe a few players complained that this guy was hounding them to sign stuff. I know if I was the compliance office that would be my response. Not saying we knew he was paying players.

But it all comes down to this... what the paper trail is and who will speak on record to the NCAA.

Now, don't get me wrong. While defending them, I am a realistic OSU fan. Get all of this shit out now, get rid of the people responsible for it and do it right from here on out. Take the penalties, whatever there are and move on. OSU will recover, it might take a few years, but they will recover. That is the sentiment of the reasonable Ohio State fans.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 6:15 PM
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But it all comes down to this... what the paper trail is and who will speak on record to the NCAA.


Like maybe written checks Pryor deposited in his account from the memorabilia guy. Information that OSU did not divulge after their investigation last December.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel...

Piney - I commend your honesty in facing the consequences.  Too bad those at OSU do not share your integrity.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 7:13 PM
You have to give up privacy to your bank account to play college ball? Holy crap. That would give me severe pause if I had been offered a scholarship.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 7:14 PM
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Posted: 6/8/2011 9:11 PM
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Oh my God, that is priceless. Can I link that?
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Posted: 6/8/2011 11:57 PM
Just one of the many items that has occurred that means this will be hanging around tOSU for a LONG TIME:

A car dealer, big one, that's been in Cbus for decades, is now tied to potentially fifty counts, perhaps more, of fraudulently reporting the actual purchase price of vehicles in order to allow student athletes and parents to evade paying state taxes.  The oldest trick in the book to evade taxes, but rarely gets enforced because the leg work takes more time to conduct than it is actually worth, and typically occurs in private party sales, not dealer sales.  That is a felony; whole big mess of them.

Do you think that dealer will just sweep this thing under the rug and take the fall for the tOSU compliance department, who in some reports actually suggested the student athletes visit that dealer for their purchases?

Do you think the Ohio District Attorney will be allowed to just let that little tidbit conveniently slide under the radar without pursuit?

Makes phone cards look a little paltry, no?  And the Reggie Bush thing was JUST ONE GUY, and took over three years to come to a close.

Pull out your Snuggies, pop some popcorn and pour yourselves a nice tall soda kids, this soap opera is in for a long run.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 6:38 AM
I could care less about the athlete in this one, need to bust the car dealer for being a tax cheat. Too many people are busting their butts and the State is in too bad a shape. Was mentioned on here when this car story first broke, that the real crime in this was the attempt to evade taxes.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 7:43 AM
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Oh my God, that is priceless. Can I link that?


Found this on the Virgnia Message Board, it is amazing down here in ACC Land outside of the Big Ten/12 region how many people dislike and laugh at O$U.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/Big%20Ten/Pryor_Knowledge.gif
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Posted: 6/9/2011 9:33 AM
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I could care less about the athlete in this one, need to bust the car dealer for being a tax cheat. Too many people are busting their butts and the State is in too bad a shape. Was mentioned on here when this car story first broke, that the real crime in this was the attempt to evade taxes.


Yes, the car dealer needs to go down.  And I have no problem cutting slack to the athletes.  The other to fall need to be Tressel (NCAA restrictions), the AD, the President, the compliance department, the football program.  All are dirty.  This is not a "those boosters..."
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Posted: 6/9/2011 10:24 AM
cc cat wrote:expand_more
But it all comes down to this... what the paper trail is and who will speak on record to the NCAA.


Like maybe written checks Pryor deposited in his account from the memorabilia guy. Information that OSU did not divulge after their investigation last December.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel...

Piney - I commend your honesty in facing the consequences.  Too bad those at OSU do not share your integrity.


Did not know that Ohio St had access to his bank accounts... but then again was Pryor stupid enough to deposit the checks into that account? (Don't answer that, the answer is probably yes)

It will be interesting to find out if the NCAA can regain access to those accounts AFTER he left school.

About my honesty... I have always been realistic about the teams I follow for some odd reason. While some OSU fans are crazy, it is the loud minority. One reason I post at BuckeyePlanet, cuz of all the buckeye message boards, they are the most realistic. Then again, that ain't saying much since most other OSU boards are insane.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 10:27 AM
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Just one of the many items that has occurred that means this will be hanging around tOSU for a LONG TIME:

A car dealer, big one, that's been in Cbus for decades, is now tied to potentially fifty counts, perhaps more, of fraudulently reporting the actual purchase price of vehicles in order to allow student athletes and parents to evade paying state taxes.  The oldest trick in the book to evade taxes, but rarely gets enforced because the leg work takes more time to conduct than it is actually worth, and typically occurs in private party sales, not dealer sales.  That is a felony; whole big mess of them.

Do you think that dealer will just sweep this thing under the rug and take the fall for the tOSU compliance department, who in some reports actually suggested the student athletes visit that dealer for their purchases?

Do you think the Ohio District Attorney will be allowed to just let that little tidbit conveniently slide under the radar without pursuit?

Makes phone cards look a little paltry, no?  And the Reggie Bush thing was JUST ONE GUY, and took over three years to come to a close.

Pull out your Snuggies, pop some popcorn and pour yourselves a nice tall soda kids, this soap opera is in for a long run.


Ummmm, how is the dealership helping them to evade taxes? Nothing about that here, and it seems like the ONLY thing the dealership is guilty of is maybe giving them the good deals on cars pricing them at the lower end of the value of the cars. And that is REALLY hard to prove.
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