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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:34 AM
"The BMV did not address whether any NCAA rules were broken -- that is outside the department's purview -- but in its summary report said that only one of the used cars was sold at a loss."
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:39 AM
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From my reading of the article,I'm not sure OSU is off the hook for the car sales.
The article says that Ohio's BMV determined that no State Laws were broken.However,as the article points out,this doesn't mean that the car sales didn't violate NCAA rules.

My brother in law was a car salesman.
When i went to buy a car from him,i was amazed at  the incentives,discounts, packages etc. that he had available.None of these were,in any way, "illeagal" but not every customer that comes in would either know about them or be able to get them.

If the OSU players, and/or  their families, were given similar treatment,that could violate NCAA rules for players and/or their relatives recieving "special treatment " .


All that matters is that those discounts were available to everyone (yes I know everyone didn't get them, but they could have), and as long as some non-athletes got them, then it is not considered an extra benefit by the NCAA.

I told you guys earlier that the car thing was nothing. And I will tell you guys again, prepare to be disappointed. Unnamed sources in newspaper articles tend not to talk to the NCAA, and if they don't talk to the NCAA then they have nothing to go on. The newspapers/internet journalists have been digging in Columbus for over 6 months, of course they found stuff, if they did this at any other campus they would find *&^% too. The problem is the *&^% ain't sticking.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:48 AM
BMV records show nothing funny with any purchase prices, this would strongly suggest no real special deals were made, this will satisfy those requirements. As for where did these guys get the money, I've said numerous times that out of state scholarships paid with Allowable NCAA maximums is a good deal to many kids, we just can't afford the maximums. Hell Ohio just took away the Administrative Assistants to all of the non-major sports, different world.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 9:55 AM
The car deals still smell bad.  There's no reasonable explanation for the fact that dozens of players and their parents (many of whom are out of state) purchased vehicles from the same guy.  There's a hidden "rebate" or other uncovered aspect to this story.  We'll see if the NCAA finds it.  I think it's also fishy that OSU would immediately cancel its investigation...seems like they were looking for any excuse to try to change the subject.



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Posted: 6/22/2011 10:07 AM
That's absolutely the way O$U Compliance works...They were just looking for a way to say "no problem here...ceasing investigation".  None of this touches on any of Pryor's "loaners".  I've spoken to a lot of Alumni and many will tell you they see players driving around in brand new SUV's, etc all the time...Been going on for decades.

Piney...It doesn't make one bit of difference if any of this car stuff sticks.  Tressel's blatant lies and the Administrations lackadaisical methods are going to land them USC levels of punishment.  In years past, chucking your Coach under the bus probably would have been enough (even if everyone and their Brother know's Smith knew too) but that's not gonna buy a get out of jail free card anymore.

The committee on infractions is part of the public too.  They've seen the pressers just like we have and they know the tail is wagging the dog at A&M.    They also know their organization (as well as College football in general) is at a cross roads.  Red & Pewter glasses only work for the lemmings...The hammer is coming. 
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Posted: 6/24/2011 8:38 AM
Friday's Dispatch


We often hear complaints about "media" creating news that appeals to the baser insitincts of the public at the expense of other issues.  From today's Dispatch I offer this example of the publisher's interest in using the recent woes of their number 1 story generater to sell more papers.  Oh, by way, the fate of a state referendum on SB 5 is being actively debated across the street from the Dispatch offices.  What's in in for YOU, Mr. Wolfe?
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Posted: 6/24/2011 10:52 AM
Yeah, and the headline story on the front page was SB5, so what's your point?
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Posted: 6/24/2011 11:29 AM
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Yeah, and the headline story on the front page was SB5, so what's your point?


You beat me to the punch.  The sad thing is now it's either an up or down vote on SB5.  I was really hoping that they could bust it up into individual pieces.  There are some things in there that actually make very good sense and some that are clearly attempts to bust unions.
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Posted: 6/24/2011 3:12 PM
My point is that I happen to find it offensive that the Dispatch should be using this scandal to try to make a buck for itself.  I've never seen an ad that highlighted their political reporting - just sayin'.
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Posted: 6/24/2011 4:44 PM
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My point is that I happen to find it offensive that the Dispatch should be using this scandal to try to make a buck for itself.  I've never seen an ad that highlighted their political reporting - just sayin'.


Valid point.  My answer/solution - if you find this offensive is to not buy their paper or visit their website. 
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Posted: 6/24/2011 11:39 PM
The Dispatch runs self-promoting adds like that all the time, politics, criminal cases, sports. Hey, they are a business, and their job is to sell paperS, in an increasingly tough mode of information.

Al: Sad thing is with SB5 the Governor could have accomplished a lot of these reforms without his ram-rod, heavy handed tatics. May bite him in the buttocks when all said and done. SB5 effects a broad section of the public, which will increase its chance of going down.
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Posted: 6/24/2011 11:48 PM
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Al: Sad thing is with SB5 the Governor could have accomplished a lot of these reforms without his ram-rod, heavy handed tatics. May bite him in the buttocks when all said and done. SB5 effects a broad section of the public, which will increase its chance of going down.


Agreed 100%.  The net effect of this will be 1) the defeat of a bill that has economically necessary provisions in it and 2) the mobilization of democratic leaning voters.  I'd hate to be a republican running this fall in a highly contested race.
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Posted: 6/25/2011 11:30 AM
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. . . some that are clearly attempts to bust unions.


Should read "bust public employee unions," which IMHO should never have been allowed in the first place.  Ferguson law should never have been replaced in the 1960s.  Big mistake. 
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Posted: 6/25/2011 4:47 PM
Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
My point is that I happen to find it offensive that the Dispatch should be using this scandal to try to make a buck for itself.  I've never seen an ad that highlighted their political reporting - just sayin'.


Stop the presses!  It's 2011 and media are starting to use trash headlines to sell!  This is the first time that this has happened and it must be stopped!
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Posted: 6/25/2011 6:54 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
My point is that I happen to find it offensive that the Dispatch should be using this scandal to try to make a buck for itself.  I've never seen an ad that highlighted their political reporting - just sayin'.


Stop the presses!  It's 2011 and media are starting to use trash headlines to sell!  This is the first time that this has happened and it must be stopped!


The last few posts in this thread should be a reminder that we - everyone of us - should cherish freedom of the press.

I will long remember my first visit to Yantai in 1996.  Yantai?  Look at a map of China.  You will see a peninsula that juts way the heck out into the Yellow Sea.  At the very tip is Yantai, a city of two or so million. 

Before arriving I had asked that a meeting be arranged for me with the editor-in-chief of The Yantai Daily.  On greeting each other, we exchanged business cards.  The one he handed me was printed in English.  On the obverse, below his name, was his title: Editor-In-Chief.  In keeping with accepted Chinese custom, I then turned his card over.  On the reverse, below his name, was his other title: Party General Chairman. 
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Posted: 7/15/2011 11:39 AM

Records show Tressel had history of compliance issues at Ohio State


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011...

 
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Posted: 7/15/2011 2:44 PM
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Records show Tressel had history of compliance issues at Ohio State


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011...

 



Given what we know about Tressel's penchant for "looking the other way" while at YSU and later at OSU, these now public records don't come as much of a surprise.

They do, though, lead to these questions: 

* Do these now public records provide the NCAA with more ammunition at the August 12 hearing?

* Does OSU now dis-invite Tressel to attend the hearing?

* Will Fickell continue maintaining he knew nothing about these violations?

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Posted: 7/15/2011 4:57 PM
Why would OSU de invite Tressel? The NCAA has no power of supena, and if you closely follow athletics, violations generally fall on the shoulders of one. John Lawyer, Associate Head Coach for Huggie Bear too 100% of the fall for him at UC, you going to tell me Huggie didn't know about the deals going down? One walked and one is coaching youth sportsb for 1/3rd the cash.
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Posted: 7/16/2011 12:04 AM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more

They do, though, lead to these questions: 

* Do these now public records provide the NCAA with more ammunition at the August 12 hearing?

* Does OSU now dis-invite Tressel to attend the hearing?

* Will Fickell continue maintaining he knew nothing about these violations?



Q. 1 Yes - much more ammunition in the sentencing.  While "priors" or"pryors" as the case may be may not admissible during a case, they certainly are an influence in the sentencing.  Just as a judge takes them into account (but may not admit it) so too well the NCAA when dealing with OSU (not Tressel...OSU)

Q. 2  They chose their bed partner ( a person Gee admitted was the most powerful person on campus), can't change now.

Q. 3 He probably has too  - and who knows - maybe he is innocent.  Fortunate for him, the NCAA doesn't care about him.
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Posted: 7/16/2011 10:36 AM
Interesting that Gene Smith discontinued his predecessor Geiger's practice of written evaluations...
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