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Posted: 9/12/2011 8:09 PM
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]I went to the game at Marshall last year. I enjoyed the experience. People were nice to me in Huntington. There also were plenty of OU fans there. The visitors' section was full and there were Ohio fans all over the stadium. With these two schools, there were many cases where families were split. I can safely say there were a few thousand Bobcats fans there. My guess is the crowd will be close to 25,000 (sellout) for this weekend's game, and there probably will be 7,000 or 8,000 Marhsall fans.



There is absolutely no way you all had more than 100 fans there, I sat across from your visitor section and it was bone dry.
I think I heard accounts of seeing about 10 OU fans total.


My wife and I weren't anywhere close to the Ohio section at Marshall last year. And there were OU fans scattered all through the stadium. I can't give a figure, but it had to be at least 500 and maybe 1,000.


Are you guys really arguing about whether or not a Herd fan can count accurately?

Seriously?

-john


Oh, good one.
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Posted: 9/12/2011 8:30 PM
Since I posted here once back in July, I have been looking forward to coming on this board and talking football this week.  I am sorry to anyone who has had a bad experience with Marshall fans.  I certainly don't think that represents anything close to the norm.  As for counting fans at this game or that, what exactly is the point of this?  Marshall has had its share of troubles with attendance figures.  I am not sure we should be throwing a bunch of stones.  Sure, we will bring a lot of fans to Athens.  This is primarily because it is a fun rivalry and we are starved for drivable road games being in CUSA.  Ohio is one of the few things we actually miss about the MAC.  I would like to talk football some more on here this week and get pumped for a great game between two teams looking for big years to get the programs going in the right direction.  If the trends continue upward, we could have a great series over the next few years.  I have no clue who this Fedale is, but he is pretty much ruining this board and I would encourage him to shut up.  
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Posted: 9/12/2011 8:43 PM
Very excited for this game.  Ohio has been a long time rival and my dad loved making the trip.  Tailgating for Marshall games is a big family tradition and we have always loved our trips to Athens....even if we happen to lose.

Great tailgating area next to Convo...
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Posted: 9/12/2011 8:49 PM
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  I have no clue who this Fedale is, but he is pretty much ruining this board and I would encourage him to shut up.  


Lighten up Francis.
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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:16 PM
I must admit that the last time the Terd came to town (Knorr's final season), I was so disappointed with the Cats' showing and so upset about so many vocal Terd fans among the OU seats, that I demonstrated on an SUV sporting a Marshall logo why they call the river Hocking. 
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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:22 PM
Hey this may be considered a mortal sin but I admire one thing about Herd Fans.  They have their priorities straight in that they seem to ALL hate WVU while half the dude's on here wear scarlet and grey panties..


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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:33 PM
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You all brought about 10 fans to The Joan... We will be very well represented.


Good for you! I hope you feel better, I sincerely recommend that you acquire a good recipe for crow.


Athens is roughly 80 miles from Huntington, and OU had 10 fans (maybe 20 at the most) in your section.


MU is bringing 6,000+ this weekend. Enjoy.


So you think all Ohio fans live in Athens?
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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:35 PM
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Hey this may be considered a mortal sin but I admire one thing about Herd Fans.  They have their priorities straight in that they seem to ALL hate WVU while half the dude's on here wear scarlet and grey panties..


Your stats are off a bit, I think, MC.  I'd say no more than 5 percent of bobcatattack.comers are also fans of the Poison Nuts.  Those who congregate here are the tried and true Ohio fans.  We did have a few Bucknut apologists, but they have essentially disappeared since Tatoo Gate and its sequelae.
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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:39 PM
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Hey this may be considered a mortal sin but I admire one thing about Herd Fans.  They have their priorities straight in that they seem to ALL hate WVU while half the dude's on here wear scarlet and grey panties..


Your stats are off a bit, I think, MC.  I'd say no more than 5 percent of bobcatattack.comers are also fans of the Poison Nuts.  Those who congregate here are the tried and true Ohio fans.  We did have a few Bucknut apologists, but they have essentially disappeared since Tatoo Gate and its sequelae.


My son and nephew took off their OSU stuff and put on Ohio gear before we landed in Athens Saturday....they had asked me if they should and I said "probably would be a good move".
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Posted: 9/12/2011 11:05 PM

I follow the BOBCATS to all of their away games in Ohio (and 2X  in Detroit in '09).   We have always felt welcomed and treated with respect.  We have enjoyed talking to fans from the other schools.  We went to a sports bar in downtown Detroit wearing our GREEN where it was about 500 CMU fans to only a few of us - everything was very pleasant and enjoyable.    We went to the Marshall game in 2010.  It was my family's misfortune to sit next to the Marshall cheering section just across the aisle from ours.   They were very rude, very disrespectful, very obnoxious and very repugnant  to the Bobcat fans, our school and our players.  HOWEVER,  I do plan to return in 2012 once again to follw the CATS.

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Posted: 9/13/2011 1:06 AM
It's self-evident here:  stupd cow has a notably greater than average number of 'fans' who are jackasses.  Has there been any other school whose visitors on this board have had such a high % of jerk agitators?  Is there any other place which has been the source of so very many bad visiting fan experiences?  I'm sure that something like 85-95% of stupd cow fans are good people.  But 5-15% of the stupd cow crowd being morons ruins their reputation.

In a classy crowd the good people would make a point of stopping the jackass behavior.  Clearly that doesn't happen among stupd cow fans.

Let's treat their fans nicely and whip their team.





Keep your car away, though.  Doubtless that one way or the other stupd cow will feel it necessary to use their keys.
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Posted: 9/13/2011 1:41 AM
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Has there been any other school whose visitors on this board have had such a high % of jerk agitators?  .


Do you have fans from other schools that come here? lol
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Posted: 9/13/2011 8:06 AM
It makes sense that you don't have a good time in Huntington.....when is the last time your team actually won in Huntington??   Was it the 80's?
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Posted: 9/13/2011 9:16 AM
I love going to OU.  Next to Huntington (I will never call it "The Joan," that's just gay, and ECU, it's my favorite place to see a game.  And if I've ever been the "bad fan," I apologize.  In my younger days, I was prone to that behavior...though I usually saved it for App State or the toothless idiots in Morganhole. 

On the HerfFans board, I made the point that, as a MAC team, I don't think we ever lost to a CUSA team.  So MU must not overlook OU or they'll get humiliated by a very good OU team.  That said, I don't think any rational person would draw a parallel between the Herd teams of the MAC years and the current OU team.  Perhaps Solich does a better job of coaching/discipline than Pruett did, but the talent at OU now is not nearly on the same level as the MU MAC/Pruett teams. 

This game.  My sense is that OU will be up and ready to play.  They are well coached and seem to always play with intensity, at least against MU (perhaps not Gardner-Webb?).  And they had better be up for this one because OU has not seen an MU team this good in a long, long time.  On the other hand, I suspect MU will be hyped as well.  They know this is a game involves a very, very good opponent that could derail a promising season.  And if nothing else, the basketball coach will end it for them if they do not show up to play! 

Keys for OU.  The O line cannot possibly match up to the MU D line.  It's not even close.  So OU will have to use the quick pass primarily.  Quick slants and slot or tight end post type routes are a major MU vulnerability due to soft MU coverage.   But OU will have to pass outside to clear out some running lanes too.  But most important, OU needs early momentum and some confidence for the QB.  If our D line gets in his head, which is probable, then OU does not stand a chance (see highlights from MU-USM if you doubt me, particularly the Curry sack on the FIRST PLAY).  He who wins the intensity battle probably embarasses the other, no matter who it is, in this game.

Keys for MU.  Stop the run, as they did with WVU and USM.  Use press coverage to take away the quick pass.  This will force OU to beat you downfield on 3rd and long.  Problem is, OU can't contain MU's D line long enough to consistently make those plays.  Do these two things and it's over before it starts for OU.  Offensively, mix up the passing game.  Get Cato out of the pocket and throwing on the run.  OU's defensive team speed is not sufficient against a pass oriented QB who is this mobile, especially against a 4 wide set.

I hate to say it, because I like OU a lot (rooting for you to win the MAC), but I do not think this game will be close (if MU shows up to play).  This MU team is without question the best we have fielded since 2003.  The team speed and intensity this team plays with are unfamiliar to OU (and unfortunately for too many years, to MU).  

Verdict:  OU cannot run the ball effectively (they'll get 150 yards or so, poor for them).  The passing game will show some promise, but will ultimately meet its demise to pressure from the D line causing turnovers.  Look for passing of about 20/36 for 200 yards, 1 TD and 4 turnovers.  Offensively, MU will continue its dramatic improvement.  They will pass 33/45 for 350 and 4 TD's against 1 turnover.  MU will run the ball 35 times for 125 yards and one TD.  The wildcard is whether MU will get a special teams or defensive TD.  I'm betting they do.  MU 42 - OU 10.  This will be OU's last loss of the year.  MU will go on to lose to VT, UCF and probably Houston.  That will allow UCF to choke down the stretch, losing on the road to SMU, USM and ECU on the road, allowing MU to play for CUSA championship despite two conference losses. 

Ultimately, next year, this game involves two conference title holders who both won bowl games.









  
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Posted: 9/13/2011 9:28 AM
I guess we can't win then. Either A) Marshall wins outright, or B) OU wins but it's only because Marshall "doesn't show up."

Man that sucks for us...
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Posted: 9/13/2011 10:03 AM
Raleighherdfan wrote:expand_more
  I don't think any rational person would draw a parallel between the Herd teams of the MAC years and the current OU team.  Perhaps Solich does a better job of coaching/discipline than Pruett did, but the talent at OU now is not nearly on the same level as the MU MAC/Pruett teams.  


No but I wouldn't trade this team or our reputation for the "legacy" Pruett left you with for anything in the world.  Everyone knows what was going on there...Marshall just wasn't relevant enough for the NCAA to bother putting significant effort in.  If you're thumping your chest about counting the likes of Randy Moss amongst your football Alumni, more power to ya.

Raleighherdfan wrote:expand_more
The O line cannot possibly match up to the MU D line.  It's not even close.


This is just plain amusing.  It is a clear case of speaking before doing an ounce of research...

Raleighherdfan wrote:expand_more
OU's defensive team speed is not sufficient against a pass oriented QB who is this mobile, especially against a 4 wide set.


Equally as ridiculous...


Raleighherdfan wrote:expand_more
1 TD and 4 turnovers


The final punch line...


Thank you for the midweek comic relief...
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Posted: 9/13/2011 10:16 AM
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I guess we can't win then. Either A) Marshall wins outright, or B) OU wins but it's only because Marshall "doesn't show up."

Man that sucks for us...


That was NOT my point.  I don't know how closely you've followed MU the last 7 years, if at all.  But if you had, you would remember that the very few decent wins were always followed by humiliating losses, because the team was mentally unprepared.  I was expressing concern about the loser attitude that has stunk up the MU football program the last 7 years.  I think the loser attitude is gone.  I hope like hell that I am right.  But it just just hope at this point.

Even if both teams show up, I still think OU can win.  I just do not think they will. After all, MU has 61 freshman & sophmores on it's roster.  That's right, 61.  If OU can stay very cool in the face of by far the fastest, most talented and deepest D line they will see all year, and if they can play error free football, they may beat MU.  It won't matter which MU team shows up.  I think the good money is against that.  Watch what happened with USM last week.  That was one of the 10-15 best QB's in the country, with a great supporting case and, over time, the pressure ate him alive.  On the other hand, look at how Geno Smith handled that pressure.  Our D line lived in his backfield, but ultimately, he beat them.  Tettleton is very good, but he's younger, smaller and not surrounded by nearly the talent as Geno Smith. 

Of course, neither WVU nor USM was able to present our freshman QB with any real pressure.  But OU has a much more effective coaching staff than either of those schools, in my humble opinion.  I didn't include this in my keys to the game (largely because I don't want to consider the fearful prospect), but if OU can do to Cato what I expect MU to do to Telleton, this could be a very close, physical, defensive game that hinges on turnovers.  But, with WVU and USM both failing to bring any real pressure, I just do not see OU doing it. 

OU owned this series for many, many years.  But it's been complete domination by Marshall since the mid-1980's.  Sadly for OU, there was a chance the last few years to turn that around, but OU did not capitalize on its improvement or our decline.  This young MU team is very, very talented and, mark my words, will own CUSA over the next 3-4 years (though our heinous road schedule, and youth, may prevent that this year).  OU's chances of turning this series around are fading rapidly in the face of the onslaught of talent being brought to MU by Holliday.  This may be a close game.  OU might even win.  But you can take this to the bank: over the next 5 years, OU wins, at most, one of these games.  Most of them will not be close.

For the record, I will return on Sunday, win or lose.  I will not crow if MU wins.  But I will gladly accept a plate full of it if we lose.  

 

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Posted: 9/13/2011 10:20 AM
Feel free to unleash the sh*tstorm on me now!
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Posted: 9/13/2011 10:38 AM
I won't try to refute, except to say that I don't follow Marshall closely so I really can't comment much. I must admit I'm not sure where your regard for Marshall's defensive line comes from. Again, I don't follow them closely, but from what I've seen, there star is DE Vince Curry, who I'm sure is very good. But who else? The preseason pub I read didn't list Marshall's defensive line among the top 37 nationally. On the other hand, OU's offensive line is listed among the top.

I can't call this game either way with any confidence, but I am confident to say that Marshall will not win by any kind of 42-10 score. Barring a total OU meltdown, that score is fantasy.
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Posted: 9/13/2011 10:41 AM
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Feel free to unleash the sh*tstorm on me now!


No sh*tstorm necessary. You seem like a decent Marshall fan. A bit of a homer, but you bring substance to the discussion, and that is welcome. I think you're right in that this game will come down to turnovers. I look at the Marshall box score from last week, and the stat that pops out at me is 6 turnovers by Southern Miss. If we have 6 turnovers Saturday, you're right, Marshall probably wins by 4 TDs. But you are seriously underestimating our O line and our entire defense. If we take care of the ball, we win by 2 TDs. It's that simple.
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Posted: 9/13/2011 11:34 AM
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Feel free to unleash the sh*tstorm on me now!


No sh*tstorm necessary. You seem like a decent Marshall fan. A bit of a homer, but you bring substance to the discussion, and that is welcome. I think you're right in that this game will come down to turnovers. I look at the Marshall box score from last week, and the stat that pops out at me is 6 turnovers by Southern Miss. If we have 6 turnovers Saturday, you're right, Marshall probably wins by 4 TDs. But you are seriously underestimating our O line and our entire defense. If we take care of the ball, we win by 2 TDs. It's that simple.


Thanks.  I'm more about football than smack.  Plus, I like OU.  Great place to watch football.  Too long in the wilderness to talk smack.  That's about to change.

I don't underestimate your line one bit.  They ran it on us like children the last 2 times.  Watch Jeremiah Taylor.  He's a dark horse, but his absence against WVU allowed WVU to triple team Curry.  Not the case against USM. 

I agree on turnovers.  But like I said, I think the relentless pressure turns that in our favor.  I think my score prediction is a reflection of the frustration that this will cause.  But if you guys can get one or two early, and gain momentum, OU could very well win by 2 TD's.  I just think the percentages go the other way. 

I also don't underestimate the D.  I just think the turnovers and special teams play puts too much pressure on OU's defense, as was the case with USM (not that Whitehead will pin OU inside the 7 5 times like with USM - that's a bit of a fluke) who was equally good defensively. 
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Posted: 9/13/2011 11:38 AM
Can anyone name a single player from OU that has been any good in the NFL?    Nope, terrible program, terrible team, has been coach......Herd 34 - OU 20
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Can anyone name a single player from OU that has been any good in the NFL?    Nope, terrible program, terrible team, has been coach......Herd 34 - OU 20


Dave Zastudil. Ha
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Posted: 9/13/2011 11:44 AM
I appreciate talk about the actual game, but as others have mentioned, I think the talk of Marshall's defensive line being substantially better than Ohio's offensive line is off the mark. It will be a match-up of strenngth vs. strength. The Bobcats have returned all five starters (plus a great blocking tight end and basically all their back-ups) to the offensive line from last year. If I had to name the Bobcats' No. 1 strength, it would be the offensive line. There was some pressure on the QB in the last game but Gardner-Webb was blitzing nearly every play (and Ohio's receivers had a lot of one-on-one coverages that they started taking advantage of in the second quarter).

Also, speed is a major asset of the defense. I have to think Ohio's secondary has as much speed as almost any team in the country. The corners have been timed around 4.4 in the 40. Of course, there are some young players there, and they obviously lack in some other areas. The linebackers are all quick, although not huge, and the defensive ends have adequate speed. I think the DTs for their size are pretty quick. Solich has said a number of times this is the fastest team he's had at OU.

I think the fact that some of best attributes of both teams will be going up against each other will make this game interesting. I'm also eager for the Bobcats to face a real test. It was hard to measure performance the first two games that both saw most of the starters exit in the third quarter.

Turnovers definitely are a concern. The Bobcats fumbled three times against Garnder-Webb, and of course, Marshall has done well at causing turnovers. I really think the teams are pretty even, so it's a matter of game planning, executing and hopefully taking advantage of the home field for the Bobcats.
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Posted: 9/13/2011 11:46 AM
We have Noah Keller....they don't.
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