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Rufusbobcat94
8/24/2023 9:00 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
... If he's clicking on all cylinders and the receiving corpse is in sync ...

I know that Jones and Wiglusz may not be full speed, but I don't think Ohio is totally dead at that position...
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Rufusbobcat94
8/24/2023 9:22 PM
I think a lot of folks feel the same way about this seasons prospects. 2023 Ohio offense from a personnel standpoint is loaded like rarely happens in Athens. Ohio's offense on the whole is the most talented in the MAC all totaled. Ohio's defense has 4-5 all-mac players and may prove to be one of the best in the MAC.

That being said, the other points are valid too in that you never know about injuries. We lost to Toledo 17-7 and as much as I like CJ Harris, the loss of Rourke to injury was very realistically the difference in that game. If Rourke goes down and/or one or both of the linebackers and things change.

In addition to injuries, I think the schedule should be easier but the key is turnover ratio. We improved a whopping +19 in turnover margin from the 3-9 season in 2021 to 10-4 in 2022. The last time we had a better TO ratio was in in 2018-19 when we went 9-4.

Posting +12 or more in TO margin in back-to-back seasons is a tall order but we do retain a lot of the folks on both sides of the ball that made that happen last year.

For this week's game, I am interested in seeing what are the most unknown parts entering 2023 which is defensive tackle and safety. If these groups represent we really could be special
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SteveEM
8/25/2023 3:41 AM
well, your welcome I hope all your guys are all healthy.The strength of this team is pass defense by the way and year after year it has produced a lot of interceptions. The weakness is OUR offense. WE produce more DB's in the NFL than any other position. If YOU GET is an early blow out it will be likley turnovers and an offense that can't get a first down last year we gave up 2008 yds a game and 21 total passing tdS; less than 2 td passes per game. passing. we were 19th in scoring defenses.

It was the offense that was unbelievably bad in every way you can possibly imagine. the four-star offensive lineman that we recruited and started for us at right tackle (who transferred to Ohio State) committed 14 false starts and four personal fowls.To be honest with you I'm not so sure that the offense won't be just as bad this year. I think Brady Hoke has really run the team down in the last 4 years. Anyway I hope your Bobcats go 13 and 1 with a win in the college football playoffs.
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71 BOBCAT
8/25/2023 6:52 AM
Rufusbobcat94......I totally agree with you on the turnover margin stat as I too think this is a key number that will directly impact the W-L result.






GO BOBCATS
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spongeBOB CATpants
8/25/2023 10:18 AM
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None of the Ohio Bobcat teams in the previous 50 years have had as good of a team as this one on paper. They were also led by a coach who proved he couldnt win big games and won a grand total of zero MAC Championships. Great that he got us out of winning 3 games per year but his ceiling was mediocrity as evidenced by having as many MAC championships as me.

That said well see if this coach can get a Mac championship and get to 11 or 12 wins. On paper he has the team to do it
I can't speak for all 50 years but I think that the 2012 was much higher thought of in national ranking going into the season. This team is not the favorite in a MAC that is not anywhere as good as the 2012 MAC. A few weeks into the season in 2012, if I recall, we were the favorite in Vegas for the G5 spot in the BCS bowl. We know what happened in 2012. A historic number of injuries happened in just the season where we didn't want it.

We are ranked over 80 in some of these 1-132 rankings. We were ranked in the top 25 on at least one site in 2012. Our Vegas win total is only 7.5 and that's against a weaker schedule than in some years where it was higher. We won't go off as the favorite against SDSU. We wouldn't be favored now against FAU or ISU though if we look good enough in the first couple of weeks that might change. I think that we might be a very slight underdog at Buffalo right now and barely favored at NIU and probably only a 5 point favorite or so against Miami.

Yes, this is on paper one of the two best teams in the MAC. Yes, there is no game on the schedule that we are a real longshot. Yes, winning them all is obviously not impossible. However, until we go out and play a game and look really good doing it I'd have to look at it as very improbable. There are 6 or 7 games that are close to 50/50 and several more that we easily COULD lose if we don't play well. Running 6 games at 50/50 odds is (0.5)^6 is about 1% to 2%. Given that we are actually an underdog in some now and there are more than 6 games we COULD lose you'd realistically think it is worse than that but also given that every team could easily turn out better or worse than we think helps the odds on the extremes at both ends so thinking 50:1 or 75:1 odds on 12-0 is realistic in my mind. Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes. Pretty improbable things both ways have happened recently. The odds of winning 3 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 would have been considered quite improbable going into the season. That isn't the norm however. Most Solich years you would have put us a couple game over .500 and, that, most years, is just what we did.

Is it outlandish to say that this could turn out to the best team since 1968 or possibly better? No. If we overshoot median expectations by as much as we did last year then it will be. If we undershoot as bad as 2021 we'll only win about 4 games against a weak schedule. But I think that we should cool our jets on saying that it is until we see them play.
I knew I wasn't the only one who sees at least 6 games on the schedule as a literal toss up right now. I'll be the first person to hop on the 12-0 bandwagon if we can beat ISU but right now its all speculation.

2012 was a special team and we all witnessed what happened. 4-4 in MAC play...
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Bobcat33
8/25/2023 11:16 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
None of the Ohio Bobcat teams in the previous 50 years have had as good of a team as this one on paper. They were also led by a coach who proved he couldnt win big games and won a grand total of zero MAC Championships. Great that he got us out of winning 3 games per year but his ceiling was mediocrity as evidenced by having as many MAC championships as me.

That said well see if this coach can get a Mac championship and get to 11 or 12 wins. On paper he has the team to do it
I can't speak for all 50 years but I think that the 2012 was much higher thought of in national ranking going into the season. This team is not the favorite in a MAC that is not anywhere as good as the 2012 MAC. A few weeks into the season in 2012, if I recall, we were the favorite in Vegas for the G5 spot in the BCS bowl. We know what happened in 2012. A historic number of injuries happened in just the season where we didn't want it.

We are ranked over 80 in some of these 1-132 rankings. We were ranked in the top 25 on at least one site in 2012. Our Vegas win total is only 7.5 and that's against a weaker schedule than in some years where it was higher. We won't go off as the favorite against SDSU. We wouldn't be favored now against FAU or ISU though if we look good enough in the first couple of weeks that might change. I think that we might be a very slight underdog at Buffalo right now and barely favored at NIU and probably only a 5 point favorite or so against Miami.

Yes, this is on paper one of the two best teams in the MAC. Yes, there is no game on the schedule that we are a real longshot. Yes, winning them all is obviously not impossible. However, until we go out and play a game and look really good doing it I'd have to look at it as very improbable. There are 6 or 7 games that are close to 50/50 and several more that we easily COULD lose if we don't play well. Running 6 games at 50/50 odds is (0.5)^6 is about 1% to 2%. Given that we are actually an underdog in some now and there are more than 6 games we COULD lose you'd realistically think it is worse than that but also given that every team could easily turn out better or worse than we think helps the odds on the extremes at both ends so thinking 50:1 or 75:1 odds on 12-0 is realistic in my mind. Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes. Pretty improbable things both ways have happened recently. The odds of winning 3 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 would have been considered quite improbable going into the season. That isn't the norm however. Most Solich years you would have put us a couple game over .500 and, that, most years, is just what we did.

Is it outlandish to say that this could turn out to the best team since 1968 or possibly better? No. If we overshoot median expectations by as much as we did last year then it will be. If we undershoot as bad as 2021 we'll only win about 4 games against a weak schedule. But I think that we should cool our jets on saying that it is until we see them play.
I knew I wasn't the only one who sees at least 6 games on the schedule as a literal toss up right now. I'll be the first person to hop on the 12-0 bandwagon if we can beat ISU but right now its all speculation.

2012 was a special team and we all witnessed what happened. 4-4 in MAC play...
That 2012 was special but unfortunately Solich’s ceiling was mediocrity. No way around it. He never won a Mac championship. It appears we may have a hit with this coach but time will tell.
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M.D.W.S.T
8/25/2023 12:02 PM
Spread moved back to -3 yesterday and back to -2.5 today.

I honestly thought we'd have moved to -1 or even by now. I think it was Fan Duel that said like 70% of the betting money was coming on OU to cover.
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Victory
8/25/2023 1:43 PM
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Anyway I hope your Bobcats go 13 and 1 with a win in the college football playoffs.
Good luck to your guys too. Thanks for coming on here and talking to us.
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Victory
8/25/2023 1:50 PM
Bobcat33 wrote:expand_more
None of the Ohio Bobcat teams in the previous 50 years have had as good of a team as this one on paper. They were also led by a coach who proved he couldnt win big games and won a grand total of zero MAC Championships. Great that he got us out of winning 3 games per year but his ceiling was mediocrity as evidenced by having as many MAC championships as me.

That said well see if this coach can get a Mac championship and get to 11 or 12 wins. On paper he has the team to do it
I can't speak for all 50 years but I think that the 2012 was much higher thought of in national ranking going into the season. This team is not the favorite in a MAC that is not anywhere as good as the 2012 MAC. A few weeks into the season in 2012, if I recall, we were the favorite in Vegas for the G5 spot in the BCS bowl. We know what happened in 2012. A historic number of injuries happened in just the season where we didn't want it.

We are ranked over 80 in some of these 1-132 rankings. We were ranked in the top 25 on at least one site in 2012. Our Vegas win total is only 7.5 and that's against a weaker schedule than in some years where it was higher. We won't go off as the favorite against SDSU. We wouldn't be favored now against FAU or ISU though if we look good enough in the first couple of weeks that might change. I think that we might be a very slight underdog at Buffalo right now and barely favored at NIU and probably only a 5 point favorite or so against Miami.

Yes, this is on paper one of the two best teams in the MAC. Yes, there is no game on the schedule that we are a real longshot. Yes, winning them all is obviously not impossible. However, until we go out and play a game and look really good doing it I'd have to look at it as very improbable. There are 6 or 7 games that are close to 50/50 and several more that we easily COULD lose if we don't play well. Running 6 games at 50/50 odds is (0.5)^6 is about 1% to 2%. Given that we are actually an underdog in some now and there are more than 6 games we COULD lose you'd realistically think it is worse than that but also given that every team could easily turn out better or worse than we think helps the odds on the extremes at both ends so thinking 50:1 or 75:1 odds on 12-0 is realistic in my mind. Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes. Pretty improbable things both ways have happened recently. The odds of winning 3 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 would have been considered quite improbable going into the season. That isn't the norm however. Most Solich years you would have put us a couple game over .500 and, that, most years, is just what we did.

Is it outlandish to say that this could turn out to the best team since 1968 or possibly better? No. If we overshoot median expectations by as much as we did last year then it will be. If we undershoot as bad as 2021 we'll only win about 4 games against a weak schedule. But I think that we should cool our jets on saying that it is until we see them play.
I knew I wasn't the only one who sees at least 6 games on the schedule as a literal toss up right now. I'll be the first person to hop on the 12-0 bandwagon if we can beat ISU but right now its all speculation.

2012 was a special team and we all witnessed what happened. 4-4 in MAC play...
That 2012 was special but unfortunately Solich’s ceiling was mediocrity. No way around it. He never won a Mac championship. It appears we may have a hit with this coach but time will tell.
We beat Penn State with, among other things, our top 4 corners out for the season and it got much, much, much worse from there. We kept winning until we were playing games with about 30 guy out. It is easy for a Bobcat fan to say after the fact, but it is also unusual for a guy who has a habit of stressing the improbably of these things, I think that with an average number of injuries that we did have a reasonable chance to run the table.
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D.A.
8/25/2023 3:51 PM
Just to stroll down memory lane:

Remember when Brady cHoke was at Michigan in 2011?
Remember how he used to call tOSUcks "Ohio", and it was supposedly a big insult of the junior institution?
Remember how their fanbase clutched that mantra like a string of pearls, and parroted his cleverness?
And remember how we beat Michigan in the 2012 NCAA Tourney, and chanted "WE are OHIO" after the game?

Let's drill this clown.
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L.C.
8/25/2023 9:09 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
Just to stroll down memory lane:

Remember when Brady cHoke was at Michigan in 2011?
Remember how he used to call tOSUcks "Ohio", and it was supposedly a big insult of the junior institution?
Remember how their fanbase clutched that mantra like a string of pearls, and parroted his cleverness?
And remember how we beat Michigan in the 2012 NCAA Tourney, and chanted "WE are OHIO" after the game?

Let's drill this clown.

He clearly never had any respect for Ohio, but I believe he is 0-1 against Ohio, with a loss in 2005. Let's make it 0-2.
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OhioCatFan
8/25/2023 9:19 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Just to stroll down memory lane:

Remember when Brady cHoke was at Michigan in 2011?
Remember how he used to call tOSUcks "Ohio", and it was supposedly a big insult of the junior institution?
Remember how their fanbase clutched that mantra like a string of pearls, and parroted his cleverness?
And remember how we beat Michigan in the 2012 NCAA Tourney, and chanted "WE are OHIO" after the game?

Let's drill this clown.

He clearly never had any respect for Ohio, but I believe he is 0-1 against Ohio, with a loss in 2005. Let's make it 0-2.
+1 & +1 makes this a +2
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Steve1981
8/26/2023 9:23 AM
Good luck tonight and hope to see some highlights as will be watching my UMass team.

Hope for both of us to victorious on the road.
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Pataskala
8/26/2023 1:52 PM
Pat Macafee picked us to win this morning on ESPN's College Gameday. Dez and Herbie went with SDSU, although Dez aid it would be decided late by about 3 pts.

I expect that the ISU-Ohio game will show up among the games they pick but that'll be it for us this season.
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Steve1981
8/26/2023 4:50 PM
Play hard, execute and do yourselves proud!
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colobobcat66
8/26/2023 4:54 PM
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Play hard, execute and do yourselves proud!
And please no injuries
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Rufusbobcat94
8/26/2023 5:04 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Play hard, execute and do yourselves proud!
And please no injuries
Agree with all.
Last Edited: 8/26/2023 5:05:10 PM by Rufusbobcat94
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ExCat21
8/26/2023 6:34 PM
Cheers to a new season!

A toast to all BA'ers! 🍻
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M.D.W.S.T
8/26/2023 6:40 PM
Shoutout to the Braves for wrapping this game up early.

LETS GO
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RufusCat09
8/26/2023 6:56 PM
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OhioCatFan
8/26/2023 6:57 PM
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M.D.W.S.T
8/26/2023 7:10 PM
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Sammy goes for 300 today instead.
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Cats5
8/26/2023 7:22 PM
Bend but don’t break on the first defensive drive. Had two chances for a turnover though, can’t complain too much about that.
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bobcatsquared
8/26/2023 7:23 PM
Need that INT from Brawley. . . no FG attempt nor 3 pts for SDSU.
If not the INT, then the obvious holding call that the refs missed.
Last Edited: 8/26/2023 7:40:03 PM by bobcatsquared
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Cats5
8/26/2023 7:38 PM
Offense looks as expected.
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