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thehawg27
8/22/2023 2:11 PM
Ohio Notes for San Diego State including 2 deep depth chart:https://ohiobobcats.com/documents/2023/8/22/ohio_fb_08262...
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OhioCatFan
8/22/2023 3:05 PM
SteveEM: Thanks for coming on our board and giving us the insights on SDSU. I look for a competitive game. I think the big question is our offense in the first game with our probably NFL-bound QB coming off a season-ending injury last year. If he's clicking on all cylinders and the receiving corpse is in sync we could have an early blowout, but if, as I expect, there's some rust in that arm and the timing is just a hair off from mid-season form, we will be in for a very tough game. So, I'm predicting a narrow OHIO win, something like 24-17.
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RufusCat09
8/22/2023 4:27 PM
We may get our first glimpse at Chase Hendricks on Saturday. Albin said Jacoby Jones will likely be a game time decision. Also sounds like Wiglusz is going through some bumps and bruises.
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M.D.W.S.T
8/22/2023 4:45 PM
RufusCat09 wrote:expand_more
We may get our first glimpse at Chase Hendricks on Saturday. Albin said Jacoby Jones will likely be a game time decision. Also sounds like Wiglusz is going through some bumps and bruises.
So we'll have Rourke taking his first game snaps in 10 months potentially without his top two targets....
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Kevin Finnegan
8/22/2023 4:47 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
If he's clicking on all cylinders and the receiving corpse is in sync we could have an early blowout.
Are we looking at a 'Weekend at Bernies'-like performance from Wiglusz and company?
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RufusCat09
8/22/2023 6:26 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
We may get our first glimpse at Chase Hendricks on Saturday. Albin said Jacoby Jones will likely be a game time decision. Also sounds like Wiglusz is going through some bumps and bruises.
So we'll have Rourke taking his first game snaps in 10 months potentially without his top two targets....
Even if that's the case I think we'll be just fine with our top TEs, Miles Cross, Tyler Walton back and a highly touted Freshman in Hendricks. Oh and we have that Bangura kid. Depth is a nice thing.
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RufusCat09
8/22/2023 7:22 PM
3 Aztecs on the Preseason All Conference Team

Offense
OL Cade Bennett Jr. San Diego State
TE Mark Redman Sr. San Diego State

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LB Cody Moon Jr. San Diego State

Specialists
P Jack Browning* Sr. San Diego State

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Ted Thompson
8/22/2023 11:32 PM

 

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L.C.
8/23/2023 8:40 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
... If he's clicking on all cylinders and the receiving corpse is in sync ...

I know that Jones and Wiglusz may not be full speed, but I don't think Ohio is totally dead at that position...
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Bobcat33
8/23/2023 4:11 PM
It’s really not bold to think Ohio can go 11-1 or 12-0. They are better than every team they play this year. Just a matter of if they take the noncon seriously as most MAC teams dont care.
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8/23/2023 5:34 PM

 

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M.D.W.S.T
8/23/2023 6:14 PM
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It’s really not bold to think Ohio can go 11-1 or 12-0. They are better than every team they play this year. Just a matter of if they take the noncon seriously as most MAC teams dont care.
OU will have three of the best players on any team they play this season, if they put it together to have the best offense every week...?

We won't have the best defense. Some weeks we won't need to be. Can they be better than dead last in air yards per pass? I hope so.

Can they put it together to have another 10+ win season? I think they can, but I wouldn't mortgage my house quite yet.

Iowa State will be VERY tough. I know it's been a while, but 11 months ago Iowa State was up 30-3 at half against us. Kurtis threw for less than 200 yards. 2 INT. He's not infallible.

Everyone jokes about how the Big 12 doesn't have defense, and then Iowa State has a Top 5 defense. That should tell you everything. They regularly play tough against some of the best offenses in college football.

SDSU - also, tough defense.

FAU - Mad about last season. Now at their place. Tom Herman is a great coach.

They'll play some tough MAC games, and could easily start the season 1-3.
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8/23/2023 10:06 PM
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spongeBOB CATpants
8/24/2023 10:33 AM
Bobcat33 wrote:expand_more
It’s really not bold to think Ohio can go 11-1 or 12-0. They are better than every team they play this year. Just a matter of if they take the noncon seriously as most MAC teams dont care.
I love the optimism but I have to disagree, this is a very bold take.

Any guesses to what the school record for wins in a season is? 10, been done 3 times.

In order for us to win 11 games, we will have to have the best season in school history. I'd say that's a bold prediction at the very least.
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shabamon
8/24/2023 10:51 AM
This is the best combination of returning production AND favorable schedule I can remember. Having at least the best regular season record in program history is a very real possibility.
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Bobcat33
8/24/2023 12:09 PM
None of the Ohio Bobcat teams in the previous 50 years have had as good of a team as this one on paper. They were also led by a coach who proved he couldnt win big games and won a grand total of zero MAC Championships. Great that he got us out of winning 3 games per year but his ceiling was mediocrity as evidenced by having as many MAC championships as me.

That said well see if this coach can get a Mac championship and get to 11 or 12 wins. On paper he has the team to do it
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Bobcat33
8/24/2023 12:13 PM
Youre assuming Kurtis hasnt improved at all (or much at all) since Iowa st last year? Thats infinitely more bold than what I said. Iowa state also looks like they will have players out due to gambling including the starting QB i believe i saw? Correct me if im wrong there but if theyre starting qb is out i believe OU at home is the better team against Iowa.
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M.D.W.S.T
8/24/2023 1:17 PM
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Youre assuming Kurtis hasnt improved at all (or much at all) since Iowa st last year? Thats infinitely more bold than what I said. Iowa state also looks like they will have players out due to gambling including the starting QB i believe i saw? Correct me if im wrong there but if theyre starting qb is out i believe OU at home is the better team against Iowa. [/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I don't have access to your crystal ball and can't knowledgably speak on hypotheticals.

I can only go on the data that exists. We played a team 11 months ago and they could've put up 80 if they were motivated.

Removing their starting QB - who isn't very good anyway - and replacing him with another Big 12 QB isn't quite the step down you think it is. They return most of the defense that held us to 3 at half-time. And again, Kurtis could be better. Certainly. HOWEVER, what makes you just expect he's better? Because he's listed at 230 now? This isn't Madden. He's spent the last 10 months in gym shorts, playing long-toss.

As Scott put it, "Other than the President, no one is more protected. No one has gotten within 5 feet of Kurtis." He's been rehabbing a knee. He hasn't been throwing a football into tight windows against a rush. He hasn't faced an ounce of pressure since Thanksgiving.

It's still a Big 12 football team. Dial back your expectations, Miss Cleo.

[QUOTE=shabamon] This is the best combination of returning production AND favorable schedule I can remember. Having at least the best regular season record in program history is a very real possibility.
If everything falls into place... it will be a special year.
Last Edited: 8/24/2023 1:19:54 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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Bobcat33
8/24/2023 4:17 PM
News flash every QB in college football has been playing in shorts the last 10 months. It sounds like youre saying that Kurtis didn’t improve at all between Iowa st and bowl game. What makes me think Kurtis will be better is the winning streak they went on after the kent st loss. I think all those teams disagree with your stance that Kurtis isnt much improved. I could see us losing to Iowa State but i think Ohio is better.

M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
Youre assuming Kurtis hasnt improved at all (or much at all) since Iowa st last year? Thats infinitely more bold than what I said. Iowa state also looks like they will have players out due to gambling including the starting QB i believe i saw? Correct me if im wrong there but if theyre starting qb is out i believe OU at home is the better team against Iowa.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to your crystal ball and can't knowledgably speak on hypotheticals.

I can only go on the data that exists. We played a team 11 months ago and they could've put up 80 if they were motivated.

Removing their starting QB - who isn't very good anyway - and replacing him with another Big 12 QB isn't quite the step down you think it is. They return most of the defense that held us to 3 at half-time. And again, Kurtis could be better. Certainly. HOWEVER, what makes you just expect he's better? Because he's listed at 230 now? This isn't Madden. He's spent the last 10 months in gym shorts, playing long-toss.

As Scott put it, "Other than the President, no one is more protected. No one has gotten within 5 feet of Kurtis." He's been rehabbing a knee. He hasn't been throwing a football into tight windows against a rush. He hasn't faced an ounce of pressure since Thanksgiving.

It's still a Big 12 football team. Dial back your expectations, Miss Cleo.

This is the best combination of returning production AND favorable schedule I can remember. Having at least the best regular season record in program history is a very real possibility.
If everything falls into place... it will be a special year.
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Victory
8/24/2023 4:19 PM
Bobcat33 wrote:expand_more
None of the Ohio Bobcat teams in the previous 50 years have had as good of a team as this one on paper. They were also led by a coach who proved he couldnt win big games and won a grand total of zero MAC Championships. Great that he got us out of winning 3 games per year but his ceiling was mediocrity as evidenced by having as many MAC championships as me.

That said well see if this coach can get a Mac championship and get to 11 or 12 wins. On paper he has the team to do it
I can't speak for all 50 years but I think that the 2012 was much higher thought of in national ranking going into the season. This team is not the favorite in a MAC that is not anywhere as good as the 2012 MAC. A few weeks into the season in 2012, if I recall, we were the favorite in Vegas for the G5 spot in the BCS bowl. We know what happened in 2012. A historic number of injuries happened in just the season where we didn't want it.

We are ranked over 80 in some of these 1-132 rankings. We were ranked in the top 25 on at least one site in 2012. Our Vegas win total is only 7.5 and that's against a weaker schedule than in some years where it was higher. We won't go off as the favorite against SDSU. We wouldn't be favored now against FAU or ISU though if we look good enough in the first couple of weeks that might change. I think that we might be a very slight underdog at Buffalo right now and barely favored at NIU and probably only a 5 point favorite or so against Miami.

Yes, this is on paper one of the two best teams in the MAC. Yes, there is no game on the schedule that we are a real longshot. Yes, winning them all is obviously not impossible. However, until we go out and play a game and look really good doing it I'd have to look at it as very improbable. There are 6 or 7 games that are close to 50/50 and several more that we easily COULD lose if we don't play well. Running 6 games at 50/50 odds is (0.5)^6 is about 1% to 2%. Given that we are actually an underdog in some now and there are more than 6 games we COULD lose you'd realistically think it is worse than that but also given that every team could easily turn out better or worse than we think helps the odds on the extremes at both ends so thinking 50:1 or 75:1 odds on 12-0 is realistic in my mind. Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes. Pretty improbable things both ways have happened recently. The odds of winning 3 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 would have been considered quite improbable going into the season. That isn't the norm however. Most Solich years you would have put us a couple game over .500 and, that, most years, is just what we did.

Is it outlandish to say that this could turn out to the best team since 1968 or possibly better? No. If we overshoot median expectations by as much as we did last year then it will be. If we undershoot as bad as 2021 we'll only win about 4 games against a weak schedule. But I think that we should cool our jets on saying that it is until we see them play.
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M.D.W.S.T
8/24/2023 4:42 PM
Bobcat33 wrote:expand_more
News flash every QB in college football has been playing in shorts the last 10 months. It sounds like youre saying that Kurtis didn’t improve at all between Iowa st and bowl game. What makes me think Kurtis will be better is the winning streak they went on after the kent st loss. I think all those teams disagree with your stance that Kurtis isnt much improved. I could see us losing to Iowa State but i think Ohio is better.
You seem like you're a huge fan, and very well researched, so clearly you know that Kurtis had a major knee injury in Week 11 and has not played since?

Every QB in college football has in fact *not* been playing in shorts. Most played into January. Most were taking bumps in spring ball. Most were able to do hopscotch before last month.
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MonroeClassmate
8/24/2023 6:00 PM
Help me with my memory of last season.

After the Akron game where a QB was able to throw all over the field, did the Bobcats face a healthy QB who had been lighting it up against the opposition? Until OUr defense can throttle a passing attack it is still a suspect defense to me.

I hope the new talent, a year more experience and a year longer with the new defensive coach puts our defense into the top half of MAC teams. Relying on MACtion week in week out is a recipe for some failures.

Go Bobcats; get win #1 on Saturday!
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L.C.
8/24/2023 6:07 PM
Victory wrote:expand_more
None of the Ohio Bobcat teams in the previous 50 years have had as good of a team as this one on paper. They were also led by a coach who proved he couldnt win big games and won a grand total of zero MAC Championships. Great that he got us out of winning 3 games per year but his ceiling was mediocrity as evidenced by having as many MAC championships as me.

That said well see if this coach can get a Mac championship and get to 11 or 12 wins. On paper he has the team to do it
I can't speak for all 50 years but I think that the 2012 was much higher thought of in national ranking going into the season. This team is not the favorite in a MAC that is not anywhere as good as the 2012 MAC. A few weeks into the season in 2012, if I recall. we were the favorite in Vegas for the G5 spot in the BCS bowl. We know what happened in 2012. A historic number of injuries happened in just the season where we didn't want it.

We are ranked over 80 in some of these 1-132 rankings. We were ranked in the top 25 on at least one site in 2012. Our win total is only 7.5 and that's against a weaker schedule that in some years where it was higher. We won't go off as the favorite against SDSU. We wouldn't be favored now against FAU or ISU though if we look good enough in the first couple of weeks that might change. I think that we might be a very slight underdog at Buffalo right now and barely favored at NIU and probably only a 5 point favorite or so against Miami.

Yes, this is one of the two best teams in the MAC. Yes, there is no game on the schedule that we are a real longshot. Yes, winning them all is obviously not impossible. However, until we go out and play a game and look really good doing it I'd have to look at it as very improbable. There are 6 or 7 games that are close to 50/50 and several more that we easily COULD lose if we don't play well. Running 6 games at 50/50 odds is (0.5)^6 is about 1% to 2%. Given that we are actually an underdog in some now and there are more than 6 games we COULD lose you'd realistically think it is worse than that but also given that every team could easily turn out better or worse than we think helps the odds on the extremes at both ends so thinking 50:1 or 75:1 odds on 12-0 is realistic in my mind. Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes. Pretty improbable things both ways have happened recently. The odds of winning 3 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 would have been considered quite improbable going into the season. That isn't the norm however. Most Solich years you would have put us a couple game over .500 and, that most years, is just what we did.

Is it outlandish to say that this could turn out to the best team since 1968 or possibly better? No. If we overshoot median expectations by as much as we did last year then it will be. If we undershoot as bad as 2021 well only win about 4 games against a weak schedule. But I think that we should cool our jets on saying that it is until we see them play.

+1

There is a reason why Ohio was picked to win about 7.5 games this year, and you nailed it. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. If this team has 19 season ending injuries, as happened in 2012, 4 wins is probably generous. If everything goes perfectly, they could win them all. The odds of either happening is low.
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Victory
8/24/2023 6:23 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Help me with my memory of last season.

After the Akron game where a QB was able to throw all over the field, did the Bobcats face a healthy QB who had been lighting it up against the opposition? Until OUr defense can throttle a passing attack it is still a suspect defense to me.

I hope the new talent, a year more experience and a year longer with the new defensive coach puts our defense into the top half of MAC teams. Relying on MACtion week in week out is a recipe for some failures.

Go Bobcats; get win #1 on Saturday!
I mostly agree with the fact that most of the best offenses we faced we had to face early. But I don't think that was the only reason we showed improvement. I think the reason that our offense looked so bad in two games where we had Kurtis against Penn St. and Iowa St. was the opposing defense. I think most of the reason that the defense early looked bad was that it was bad and less that the opponent was good. We were confused. We could give up a touchdown from anywhere and the field and seemed to do much better at actually stopping the opponent from moving the chains as the field behind us shrank and the area we had to defend got smaller and we were less worried about giving up the homerun. We looked like anyone could have scored on us from anywhere most of the time.

The defense by the end of the year looked very different. It think we figured out the 4-2-5. It didn't look confused. I don't think Finn was anywhere near as unhealthy as Toledo let on a week prior to the game and even though we lost the defense held a good G5 offense to 17 points. There was such a huge difference in not just the stats but how we looked doing it that I believe a lot of was real improvement. Yes, we have to replace half the starters on what was the weaker unit last year but as I think more about it I feel better about the defense than I did a few months ago.
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