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Posted: 12/22/2011 12:40 AM
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As to your implication that I'm being inconsistent in my assessment of Frank's disciplinary regime, here's what your overlooking: Whether or not Frank gives a rat's ass about legal incidents involving his players, and whether or not he thinks Snyder's and Boo's incidents have anything to do with judgement and character as those traits pertain to a leadership position (QB), he probably didn't want to hitch his wagon to a starting QB who was on thin ice with OU judiciaries. I sure as hell wouldn't, especially if I had another strong option (TT) who never seems to get into trouble.


LOL. Who is to say anyone who gets busted one time for underage drinking and hiding his or her ID is on "thin ice" with university judiciaries, especially after a full year on campus? That's hilarious. What, they have to write a paper? 

How about this...Frank thought T2 would be a better quarterback this year. I doubt Snyder is the bad apple you are slandering him to be. I hope he'll do fine at SEMO or wherever he ends up.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 1:00 AM
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As to your implication that I'm being inconsistent in my assessment of Frank's disciplinary regime, here's what your overlooking: Whether or not Frank gives a rat's ass about legal incidents involving his players, and whether or not he thinks Snyder's and Boo's incidents have anything to do with judgement and character as those traits pertain to a leadership position (QB), he probably didn't want to hitch his wagon to a starting QB who was on thin ice with OU judiciaries. I sure as hell wouldn't, especially if I had another strong option (TT) who never seems to get into trouble.


LOL. Who is to say anyone who gets busted one time for underage drinking and hiding his or her ID is on "thin ice" with university judiciaries, especially after a full year on campus? That's hilarious. What, they have to write a paper? 

How about this...Frank thought T2 would be a better quarterback this year. I doubt Snyder is the bad apple you are slandering him to be. I hope he'll do fine at SEMO or wherever he ends up.


I hope Snyder does fine too. Who pissed in your Corn Flakes? It's not portraying a student-athlete as a bad apple to report that they got into trouble and to speculate that it influenced how their coaches evaluated them.

You honestly think that reporting Snyder's incident is completely immaterial and petty in terms of reporting the quarterback competition? Most editors wouldn't, and I suspect Arkley simply didn't know about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't OU adopt a relatively strict policy whereby if a student gets a second alcohol-related offense he faces a relatively strict penalty? I'll try to look that up, but it received plenty of publicity.  

Also, you're deliberately assuming the most benign circumstances possible of the Snyder incident. Personally, I think it's more likely he hurt his face in a fight or by getting slugged than by falling down. If he hurt it by falling down because he was drunk, that might be even worse in terms of evaluating his judgment.  
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Posted: 12/22/2011 1:14 AM
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I hope Snyder does fine too. Who pissed in your Corn Flakes? It's not portraying a student-athlete as a bad apple to report that they got into trouble and to speculate that it influenced how their coaches evaluated them.

You honestly think that reporting Snyder's incident is completely immaterial and petty in terms of reporting the quarterback competition? Most editors wouldn't, and I suspect Arkley simply didn't know about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't OU adopt a relatively strict policy whereby if a student gets a second alcohol-related offense he faces a relatively strict penalty? I'll try to look that up, but it received plenty of publicity.  

Also, you're deliberately assuming the most benign circumstances possible of the Snyder incident. Personally, I think it's more likely he hurt his face in a fight or by getting slugged than by falling down. If he hurt it by falling down because he was drunk, that might be even worse in terms of evaluating his judgment.  


Huh? I'm not assuming anything. I said maybe. Or maybe Zeus came down from Mt. Olympus to kick his ass. There could be many reasons for his countenance in that photo. Maybe he got into a fight. Or maybe he has Rosecea?Maybe he got hit by Tremayne Scott in practice.  He's a football player for f--- sake. You're the one who assumed he got into a fight ("apparently") printed it. i know at one time at least you were a journalist..why would you assume anything without looking at a police report? Obviously you spend a lot of time searching court records, so...My guess is for someone trained like yourself "maybe" you have some malice.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 1:18 AM
Putnam is right. One judiciary problem does put you on thin ice. A second and he would have been placed on probation for at least a quarter.  It makes sense that an arrest would affect a player's standing, although I think TT is a better player.  The Boo Jackson incident is a good example of a player with no history of problems starting trouble (I was at courtside for the incident).  I think some people on the board may be a little naive to some of the off field issues.  Students on campus are a good source for info on these issues, although you have to be sure they are reputable.  I could personally post a lot of "dirt", that is not relevant to athletics but i choose not to.  
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Posted: 12/22/2011 1:27 AM
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  The Boo Jackson incident is a good example of a player with no history of problems starting trouble (I was at courtside for the incident).


Using that logic should you not start the player with no history of trouble?

T2 = Boo with your logic.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 1:38 AM
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I hope Snyder does fine too. Who pissed in your Corn Flakes? It's not portraying a student-athlete as a bad apple to report that they got into trouble and to speculate that it influenced how their coaches evaluated them.

You honestly think that reporting Snyder's incident is completely immaterial and petty in terms of reporting the quarterback competition? Most editors wouldn't, and I suspect Arkley simply didn't know about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't OU adopt a relatively strict policy whereby if a student gets a second alcohol-related offense he faces a relatively strict penalty? I'll try to look that up, but it received plenty of publicity.  

Also, you're deliberately assuming the most benign circumstances possible of the Snyder incident. Personally, I think it's more likely he hurt his face in a fight or by getting slugged than by falling down. If he hurt it by falling down because he was drunk, that might be even worse in terms of evaluating his judgment.  


Huh? I'm not assuming anything. I said maybe. Or maybe Zeus came down from Mt. Olympus to kick his ass. There could be many reasons for his countenance in that photo. Maybe he got into a fight. Or maybe he has Rosecea?Maybe he got hit by Tremayne Scott in practice.  He's a football player for f--- sake. You're the one who assumed he got into a fight ("apparently") printed it. i know at one time at least you were a journalist..why would you assume anything without looking at a police report? Obviously you spend a lot of time searching court records, so...My guess is for someone trained like yourself "maybe" you have some malice.


Your guess is wrong. I've clearly explained my beliefs and motives several times, but you either never saw that or never digested it. Here's a hint: It has to do with stuff like accountability, community standards and integrity leading to success, not "malice" or "grudges" (your words).

I've also stated unequivocally that I don't spend much time "searching court records," etc. I never felt the need to go pin down how Snyder got injured, because regardless of that detail his incident was of general interest and worthy of dissemination for the reasons I've stated. 

Anyway, to go back to an earlier misunderstanding of yours, here's the OU judiciaries policy, which would seem to show that Snyder would have been on disciplinary probation and one repeat incident away from being suspended for a quarter:

www.ohio.edu/judiciaries/guidelines/AOD.cfm   
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Posted: 12/22/2011 1:39 AM
No I was just simply saying that one incident doesn't make someone bad, should of reworded.  Basically what I am saying is that the arrest isn't a huge knock on Snyder's character.  Most students at OU have been in his shoes, they just didn't get caught.  However, he would have been on thin ice and even a minor problem with judiciaries after this could have meant tough consequences.  Thus it very well could have affected the choice, But I do think TT was the right choice.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 1:51 AM
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... I never felt the need to go pin down how Snyder got injured, 


Yet you stated he apparently got slugged. Is this "accountability" on your behalf?

So you state you never felt the need to investigate facts, yet reported he apparently was in a fight. Is this your idea of "Community Standards?"




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Anyway, to go back to an earlier misunderstanding of yours, here's the OU judiciaries policy, which would seem to show that Snyder would have been on disciplinary probation and one repeat incident away from being suspended for a quarter:

www.ohio.edu/judiciaries/guidelines/AOD.cfm   



Well, until he turned 21 anyway. You also assume that because he was convicted of an alcohol offense in Athens Municipal Court he was similarly for judiciaries. Again, I would think any trained journalist wouldn't assume that. Do you have proof of the judiciary proceedings?
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Posted: 12/22/2011 2:09 AM
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No I was just simply saying that one incident doesn't make someone bad, should of reworded.  Basically what I am saying is that the arrest isn't a huge knock on Snyder's character.  Most students at OU have been in his shoes, they just didn't get caught.  However, he would have been on thin ice and even a minor problem with judiciaries after this could have meant tough consequences.  Thus it very well could have affected the choice, But I do think TT was the right choice.


Ha. I'm sure people like Hookfin were in the same boat back in the day. I hate to tell you people, but coaches pick the players to play that they think will help them win. Period. If they thought KS was the best QB, I doubt they would risk their whole season on the chance that maybe he would perhaps maybe somehow get picked up for UAC in the three-month crucial period. Which he didn't, by the way. LOL.

(Putnams dream sequence) Gdowski: "Kyle, you're the best QB we have. Bobcatzblitz says it's true. But we're afraid you might be put on probation so we're going to play the inferior player. That's okay. We'll help you transfer. Well, after that inferior player leads us to our first bowl win ever. I know YOU, if you could stop getting into fights, would take us to a BCS bowl, but we'll settle for the Potato Bowl this year. That's okay. If Mt. Union doesn't work out, there's always the Boothill. That's where the Rothlisbergers of the new millenium go."
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Posted: 12/22/2011 2:39 AM
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... I never felt the need to go pin down how Snyder got injured, 


Yet you stated he apparently got slugged.

So you state you never felt the need to investigate facts, yet reported he apparently was in a fight.




Anyway, to go back to an earlier misunderstanding of yours, here's the OU judiciaries policy, which would seem to show that Snyder would have been on disciplinary probation and one repeat incident away from being suspended for a quarter:

www.ohio.edu/judiciaries/guidelines/AOD.cfm   



Well, until he turned 21 anyway. You also assume that because he was convicted of an alcohol offense in Athens Municipal Court he was similarly for judiciaries. Again, I would think any trained journalist wouldn't assume that. Do you have proof of the judiciary proceedings?


I love how Mike Coleman can edit his posts without leaving a trace.

The media outlets that cover OU sports are the ones who should have covered these developments. Not in some big, oh-my-God story but in the context of new information that could affect the quarterback competition. It appeared to me that Snyder got injured in conjunction with the incident. My mention of said injury was ancillary to a larger point that he'd been arrested and jailed while competing with Tettleton, that nobody had reported it and that it likely had impacted the quarterback competition.

Campus judiciary proceedings are protected by FERPA. Hence, proof of the proceedings is unobtainable. However, this section from the OU judiciaries Web site makes it pretty clear that Snyder's incident was on their desk and that judiciary proceedings were the most likely outcome:

www.ohio.edu/judiciaries/offcampus/index.cfm   
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Posted: 12/22/2011 2:54 AM
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Ha. I'm sure people like Hookfin were in the same boat back in the day. I hate to tell you people, but coaches pick the players to play that they think will help them win. Period. If they thought KS was the best QB, I doubt they would risk their whole season on the chance that maybe he would perhaps maybe somehow get picked up for UAC in the three-month crucial period. Which he didn't, by the way. LOL.

(Putnams dream sequence) Gdowski: "Kyle, you're the best QB we have. Bobcatzblitz says it's true. But we're afraid you might be put on probation so we're going to play the inferior player. That's okay. We'll help you transfer. Well, after that inferior player leads us to our first bowl win ever. I know YOU, if you could stop getting into fights, would take us to a BCS bowl, but we'll settle for the Potato Bowl this year. That's okay. If Mt. Union doesn't work out, there's always the Boothill. That's where the Rothlisbergers of the new millenium go."


In all likelihood, it would've been a suspension from the university that Snyder would have faced if he'd gotten into trouble again. After what happened with Boo, I think that would've entered the coaches' minds.

I never said KS was the better QB. I said that in a close competition, his off-field incident might have tipped the balance. 
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Posted: 12/22/2011 2:59 AM
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The media outlets that cover OU sports are the ones who should have covered these developments. Not in some big, oh-my-God story but in the context of new information that could affect the quarterback competition. It appeared to me that Snyder got injured in conjunction with the incident. My mention of said injury was ancillary to a larger point that he'd been arrested and jailed while competing with Tettleton, that nobody had reported it and that it likely had impacted the quarterback competition.


Agree about the media. In fact, I've stated my own apologies for not reporting the "Dispatch 17" as it happened, one-by-one. I feel if I had reported that string of arrests as they happened--and as the news arrived in my inbox--the Dispatch story would never have happened. 

Anyway, I think we need to take biased thoughts about the local media out of the equation when it comes translating them to individuals. In fact, you might say if you take a bias and use it to your own advantage against the rights of a givenindividual, it constitutes malice. As in...I hate the local media, so I'll slander someone. We wouldn't want to do that, would we?

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Posted: 12/22/2011 3:31 AM
Mike, I'm just not sure why you're conflating my desire for robust journalism in a city associated with journalistic achievement with some kind of supposed desire to inflict harm.

Again, the thrust of my contributions regarding Snyder is not to say, "Oh, look, he's bad, see?" It's to say, "Whoa, none of the sports media in this area have reported certain things that would or should be of interest to the audience."

The coverage of various things tends to be somewhat slapdash or scattershot, to use some fancy words for sloppy and random. That's a criticism, not a statement of hostility. 

   
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Posted: 12/22/2011 8:56 AM
Okay. I see. I agree that Snyder suspended for NMSU game for off-field incident should have been part of the original T2 starting story. But I don't know if you can pin that on Arkley. Doesn't the Messenger have a reporter who goes through court cases? Perhaps the problem may be that local crime reporters have no idea who is on the Ohio Bobcats football roster.

Anyway, that said, I don't see anyway in the world you can look at someone's booking photo and assume anything happened other than what he was charged for.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 9:54 AM
I have never scanned local court documents.  I guessing it can take some valuable time.  Perhaps during PF's daily docket review he could fire off an email to the three primary editors of the three local papers and see if they follow up.  If they don't we will know 1) its not of interest and therefore not press worthy or 2) a cover up is in play  
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Posted: 12/22/2011 12:47 PM
I think from the spring game on Snyder and T2 battled each other pretty hard with T2 having a leg up with game exp..the arrest and fall out may have tipped the scales and the fact T2 was playing great..that 1st int vs NMSU had everyone nervous however lol. Coaches made the right pick my whole point was something happened and now we are left with ONE LEGIT QB that can win the game..also I am now worried about the WR position..seriously what is are record without Lavon Brazill this year? Is there a wr on the roster now that can make those plays...NO. Incoming freshman Chris Murray is a big time player but it will take time for him to develop. I think we need a couple transfers or at least a top notch juco playmaker.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 12:54 PM
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Is there a wr on the roster now that can make those plays...


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Posted: 12/22/2011 8:47 PM
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Is there a wr on the roster now that can make those plays...




For the old-timers from the t-comm days, is Bobcat36 implying Bobcatblitz is "3-ball"?
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Posted: 12/22/2011 9:35 PM
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Is there a wr on the roster now that can make those plays...




For the old-timers from the t-comm days, is Bobcat36 implying Bobcatblitz is "3-ball"?


It has been awhile since 3-ball.  Perhaps he is the son of 3-ball?  - or the logical choice 3 = Donte Foster


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Posted: 12/22/2011 9:38 PM
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Is there a wr on the roster now that can make those plays...




For the old-timers from the t-comm days, is Bobcat36 implying Bobcatblitz is "3-ball"?


It has been awhile since 3-ball.  Perhaps he is the son of 3-ball?  - or the logical choice 3 = Donte Foster




Me thinks it's Foster.

Me also thinks that Mike just taught some people on this thread a sex lesson....not to F with him.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 10:02 PM
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Me also thinks that Mike just taught some people on this thread a sex lesson....not to F with him.


If that was f***ing with Mike, then I'd definitely f*** with him again.

So ... um ... yeah. Dream on, Doc. 

Actually, I think Mike was tipping up the nog. Couldn't grasp how judiciaries works. Kept missing the point and impugning my motives. Forgot that only mullahs have the do not show edit button.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 11:16 PM
Donte Foster is a good wr and will get better..but NO guys be serious he wont make those grabs that Lavon made nor will he ala Randy Moss {take the top off of the defense} as Lavon did many games.
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Posted: 12/23/2011 12:08 AM
Foster has made some nice grabs.  N'goumou has a history of sick catches, hopefully he'll suit up and impress.

I recall having this exact discussion when Price left... we all know how that worked out.
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Posted: 12/23/2011 9:16 AM
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Me thinks it's Foster.


This
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Posted: 12/23/2011 9:23 AM
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Foster has made some nice grabs.  N'goumou has a history of sick catches, hopefully he'll suit up and impress.

I recall having this exact discussion when Price left... we all know how that worked out.


Exactly...And when T-Mac left too.  Folks have to get used to the fact that Ohio's Staff has things under control...OUr program no longer functions under the lightning in a bottle theory.

Alex...I really wanted to mention N'goumou as well so I'm glad you did.  That kid could be a monster.

I really feel that the possession receiver gap is the biggest concern...Here's hoping Waters is that guy!
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