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Posted: 12/21/2011 12:55 PM
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But I do think this raises a serious question....

Every year you need three ELIGIBLE QB's on the roster. By eligible, I mean I'm ignoring the presence of one or more redshirting players.

So, given 4 slots (representing the four years of eligibility) and three quarterbacks, it is impossible to find a set of mappings that will not result in two players NOT residing in adjacent years of eligibility (I leave the mathematical proof as an exercise for the reader).

What I mean is, if a player such as Snyder is unwilling to wait for his hypothetical 1 year to run the offense, then the entire system breaks down. 

Additionally, while Snyder had potential, he was not a highly coveted recruit. Though he committed early, he (as far as I know) did not pick up any other D1 offers. So even guys that are LUCKY to have landed at a D1 school are unwilling to wait their turn.

I think this is a troubling pattern and perhaps the solution is to start recruiting players that are willing to sit and do whatever they can to help the team. Bottom line, we are getting good and dudes are going to have to wait their turn.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 1:05 PM
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
But I do think this raises a serious question....

Every year you need three ELIGIBLE QB's on the roster. By eligible, I mean I'm ignoring the presence of one or more redshirting players.

So, given 4 slots (representing the four years of eligibility) and three quarterbacks, it is impossible to find a set of mappings that will not result in two players NOT residing in adjacent years of eligibility (I leave the mathematical proof as an exercise for the reader).

What I mean is, if a player such as Snyder is unwilling to wait for his hypothetical 1 year to run the offense, then the entire system breaks down. 

Additionally, while Snyder had potential, he was not a highly coveted recruit. Though he committed early, he (as far as I know) did not pick up any other D1 offers. So even guys that are LUCKY to have landed at a D1 school are unwilling to wait their turn.

I think this is a troubling pattern and perhaps the solution is to start recruiting players that are willing to sit and do whatever they can to help the team. Bottom line, we are getting good and dudes are going to have to wait their turn.


Paul, I so agree with you on this. I realize some would not because, they reason, "real competitors" are determined to play. Somehow, I sense in players such as that a larger degree of egotism than anything else -- they put the I in OhIo and the ME in tEaM (utilize dyslexia ereh).
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Posted: 12/21/2011 1:58 PM
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
But I do think this raises a serious question....

Every year you need three ELIGIBLE QB's on the roster. By eligible, I mean I'm ignoring the presence of one or more redshirting players.

So, given 4 slots (representing the four years of eligibility) and three quarterbacks, it is impossible to find a set of mappings that will not result in two players NOT residing in adjacent years of eligibility (I leave the mathematical proof as an exercise for the reader).

What I mean is, if a player such as Snyder is unwilling to wait for his hypothetical 1 year to run the offense, then the entire system breaks down. 

Additionally, while Snyder had potential, he was not a highly coveted recruit. Though he committed early, he (as far as I know) did not pick up any other D1 offers. So even guys that are LUCKY to have landed at a D1 school are unwilling to wait their turn.

I think this is a troubling pattern and perhaps the solution is to start recruiting players that are willing to sit and do whatever they can to help the team. Bottom line, we are getting good and dudes are going to have to wait their turn.


Makes me wonder who is advising.  I believe every Ohio player, starter or backup, is a part of something great.  They will all benefit and forever be a part of something that will be a positive in their lives. A few will have a shot at the next level, some will coach, most will, like the commercial says, go on to something outside athletics.  Those there now will be remembered for bringing respectability to Ohio football. The Ohio team picture on their office or den wall will stay up. I don't feel this way about many college programs, but, now, at this point in time Ohio is one of the places to learn winning, the right way.  I would feel fortunate to be a roster member, walk-on, whatever, to be  a part of the team.  If I had a son on the team, I would be proud, no ifs or buts.
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.... There was in fact an organized and thought out QB mutiny....


So...it was reported that Vick was excused from the 1 or 2 days of practice that he missed to attend a funeral...are you saying that Vick killed someone to provide him a funeral to attend as cover for this mutiny? (sarcasam/mocking)
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The supposed mutiny was the the most disturbing aspect of the original post, and the part that I hope was not true. The post really showed the backup QB's in a bad light, as selfish individuals willing to hurt the team to further their own personal goals. In my opinion, if a player is a part of a team, then, so long as he is a part of that team he owes it to his teammates to do the most possible for the team until the season is over.

If Snyder really led a strike before the MACC, and tried to divide the team as leverage for more PT, then I would say it's a good thing he is gone. I prefer to believe that the post was simply wrong about things, and Snyder was not actively boycotting the team, but had just asked for a release after the season. I don't have any problem with a player that wants to transfer, so long as he goes about it in a professional manner, and doesn't try to hurt the team in the process.

The available evidence is that Snyder did show up for the MACC and bowl, and appeared to be prepared to play, so I wish him luck in the future.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 3:05 PM
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.... There was in fact an organized and thought out QB mutiny....


Then they and anyone that defends their action have their priorities completely wrong. 
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One more thing, supposedly Frank was asked by Arkley about the so-called mutiny and Frank laughed and played it off as a crazy conspiracy theory. This comes from Arkley's twitter feed.

This was before Bell and (of course) before Snyder. So....was Frank lying to Jason?! Should Jason have pushed harder to find out the truth? Should I be doing work instead of screwing around on this website?
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.... There was in fact an organized and thought out QB mutiny....


Then they and anyone that defends their action have their priorities completely wrong. 


As Rob Cornelius would say...."That is ridiculous."
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Snyder could start here and any other MAC school but obviously Ohio is not in the position to give him the playing time to get better. He is faster than Tyler and throws a much much better ball than Tyler however he lacks the game reps. We are losing a very good QB but Tyler has earned his spot and you cant really expect Snyder to hang around while his eligibility runs out. I'm pretty sure the kid just wants to play and win on any level.


The implication here is that Frank and his staff made an error and that Snyder should have been the starter this year.  Going into spring and fall camps they had about the same amount of PT at Ohio, which wasn't very much.  I don't know enough about the Xs and Os to know all of the things that go into a coach's analysis of a QB's potential and who should get the starting role.  However, I trust our staff to have more of the relevant knowledge to make these kinds of decisions than either you or I -- or even L.C. or Al Swank, for that matter!

Edit: Truth in packaging requires that I confess that when I watched the Spring Game in April I thought that Snyder looked like the better QB.  When TT was named the starter in early fall camp, I was a little surprised.  I think all this shows is my general lack of ability to assess talent at this level.
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What we're all forgetting is that determination of your starting QB is not  contingent on one game.  I can tell  you that T Squared as the Scout QB before games destroyed the D to the point that some players asked him to tone it down...it's only a practice dude.
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Snyder could start here and any other MAC school but obviously Ohio is not in the position to give him the playing time to get better. He is faster than Tyler and throws a much much better ball than Tyler however he lacks the game reps. We are losing a very good QB but Tyler has earned his spot and you cant really expect Snyder to hang around while his eligibility runs out. I'm pretty sure the kid just wants to play and win on any level.


The implication here is that Frank and his staff made an error and that Snyder should have been the starter this year.  Going into spring and fall camps they had about the same amount of PT at Ohio, which wasn't very much.  I don't know enough about the Xs and Os to know all of the things that go into a coach's analysis of a QB's potential and who should get the starting role.  However, I trust our staff to have more of the relevant knowledge to make these kinds of decisions than either you or I -- or even L.C. or Al Swank, for that matter!

Edit: Truth in packaging requires that I confess that when I watched the Spring Game in April I thought that Snyder looked like the better QB.  When TT was named the starter in early fall camp, I was a little surprised.  I think all this shows is my general lack of ability to assess talent at this level.



OCF, with as much "crap" as I give you, I just want to commend you on an excellent post!

I guess we can say that Snyder took a "One Way Shuttle" out of town!
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Being at SEMO and having talked to the coaches, I can tell you Snyder will be starting out #3 on the depth chart and is only here for insurance. Trent Hurley from Bowling Green is the guy they got to start.
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Being at SEMO and having talked to the coaches, I can tell you Snyder will be starting out #3 on the depth chart and is only here for insurance. Trent Hurley from Bowling Green is the guy they got to start.


http://www.semissourian.com/story/1796126.html
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Hmm . . . don't know what to make of this BG86.  Could one of our ace reporters have made an error here?  Maybe Snyder will go somewhere else.

In other news, I'm happy to discover that I finally made a post that you agree with.  I don't expect that you happen again this year!
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Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Snyder could start here and any other MAC school but obviously Ohio is not in the position to give him the playing time to get better. He is faster than Tyler and throws a much much better ball than Tyler. however hr lacks the game reps. We are losing a very good QB but Tyler has earned his spot and you cant really expect Snyder to hang around while his eligibility runs out. I'm pretty sure the kid just wants to play and win on any level.


How do you know he could start here and for any other MAC school? How do you know he's faster than Tyler and throws a much, much better ball than Tyler? And what is your interest in this? You seem to be a lot more than a casual observer?
 
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FWIW, I watched a practice this Summer, the same day that Frank had suprisingly named TT the starter. When I left practice, I realized our staff had made the right decision.
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
One more thing, supposedly Frank was asked by Arkley about the so-called mutiny and Frank laughed and played it off as a crazy conspiracy theory. This comes from Arkley's twitter feed.

This was before Bell and (of course) before Snyder. So....was Frank lying to Jason?! Should Jason have pushed harder to find out the truth? Should I be doing work instead of screwing around on this website?


Now you're thinking about this the right way!

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Edit: Truth in packaging requires that I confess that when I watched the Spring Game in April I thought that Snyder looked like the better QB.  When TT was named the starter in early fall camp, I was a little surprised.  I think all this shows is my general lack of ability to assess talent at this level.


What part of Snyder got busted this past summer do you not understand?
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Posted: 12/21/2011 10:54 PM
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What part of Snyder got busted this past summer do you not understand?


Does Frank have a history of not playing players because they got busted for underage drinking?
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Being at SEMO and having talked to the coaches, I can tell you Snyder will be starting out #3 on the depth chart and is only here for insurance. Trent Hurley from Bowling Green is the guy they got to start.


SEMOBobcat, I recommended Snyder try Pagliai's, have you a favorite spot?
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Edit: Truth in packaging requires that I confess that when I watched the Spring Game in April I thought that Snyder looked like the better QB.  When TT was named the starter in early fall camp, I was a little surprised.  I think all this shows is my general lack of ability to assess talent at this level.


What part of Snyder got busted this past summer do you not understand?


Well, I don't actually remember when I became aware of the underage drinking conviction.  Unlike you, I may not have known about this the minute it happened.  My automatic court record scanning program was malfunctioning last summer.

Edit: I, too, can recommend Pagliai's Pizza.  They had a restaurant in Murray, Ky., when we lived there and it was one of our favorites.
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What part of Snyder got busted this past summer do you not understand?
Does Frank have a history of not playing players because they got busted for underage drinking?


I just think that if TT and Snyder are in the same league talent-wise as some have said, and if they were in a tight battle for the QB job as was reported, the swaying factor could easily have been Snyder's arrest and pending legal case during the competition.

After what happened with Boo two seasons ago, all the more so, especially given that Snyder may have shown additional poor judgment by getting the obstructing official business charge (interfering with a police officer) on top of the underage consumption charge. Also, he was apparently in a fight or got slugged during the incident, judging from his jail photo, which suggests that there may have even been more going on in terms of questionable judgment than him getting caught drinking alcohol and interfering with the cops.

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Well, I don't actually remember when I became aware of the underage drinking conviction.  Unlike you, I may not have known about this the minute it happened.  My automatic court record scanning program was malfunctioning last summer.


I guess I don't know exactly when the fall practice you referred to occurred, and I don't remember when I posted about the Snyder incident. It was awhile after it happened, reflecting the reality that I don't wait around with baited breath to find out about such incidents.
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Edit: I, too, can recommend Pagliai's Pizza.  They had a restaurant in Murray, Ky., when we lived there and it was one of our favorites.


You can't beat Pagliai's. Although, in Cape, Dino's used to be a pretty good close 2nd until it burned down.

Snyder may have been buster for underage but the whole reason SEMO is even bringing in a QB is due to some legal problems with their local freshman QB. He also apparently never was able to grasp the playbook. Whether its Snyder or the BGSU guy, they're not going to be welcomed warmly by the SEMO faithful. The guy they're replacing was as good as it gets for a Tony Samuel offense. BIG shoes to fill. If Snyder has a great arm, he won't be using it much.
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I just think that if TT and Snyder are in the same league talent-wise as some have said, and if they were in a tight battle for the QB job as was reported, the swaying factor could easily have been Snyder's arrest and pending legal case during the competition.

After what happened with Boo two seasons ago, all the more so, especially given that Snyder may have shown additional poor judgment by getting the obstructing official business charge (interfering with a police officer) on top of the underage consumption charge. Also, he was apparently in a fight or got slugged during the incident, judging from his jail photo, which suggests that there may have even been more going on in terms of questionable judgment than him getting caught drinking alcohol and interfering with the cops.


Wow. You assume a lot from a photo. Is there some sort of police report that you've read or are you just making things up in your head? Perhaps he stumbled while walking home and that's why he was picked up. Then he tried to hide his fake ID (obstructing) from the cops when they questioned him. It was 20+ years ago, but I can still remember several of my friends ending up in jail under this scenario.

Anyway, if Boo played the next week after his fight, and there are several other instances, I see Frank's track record as not holding a grudge toward athletes who get into a minor trouble. (See your Donte Harden grudge posts) I don't see how you want to have it both ways. Frank is lenient on athletes who get into trouble yet in this one instance WHY DONT YOU FOOLS GET THAT SNYDER WAS BUSTED?! GET IT?!?! FORGET EVERYTHING I TOLD YOU BEFORE!?!?! FRANK IS SUPERBADASS WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYERS WHO HAVE A BEER BEFORE THEY ARE 21!
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I just think that if TT and Snyder are in the same league talent-wise as some have said, and if they were in a tight battle for the QB job as was reported, the swaying factor could easily have been Snyder's arrest and pending legal case during the competition.

After what happened with Boo two seasons ago, all the more so, especially given that Snyder may have shown additional poor judgment by getting the obstructing official business charge (interfering with a police officer) on top of the underage consumption charge. Also, he was apparently in a fight or got slugged during the incident, judging from his jail photo, which suggests that there may have even been more going on in terms of questionable judgment than him getting caught drinking alcohol and interfering with the cops.
Wow. You assume a lot from a photo. Is there some sort of police report that you've read or are you just making things up in your head? Perhaps he stumbled while walking home and that's why he was picked up. Then he tried to hide his fake ID (obstructing) from the cops when they questioned him. It was 20 years ago, but I can still remember several of my friends ending up in jail under this scenario.

Anyway, if Boo played the next week after his fight, and there are several other instances, I see Frank's track record as not holding a grudge toward athletes who get into a minor trouble. (See your Donte Harden grudge posts) I don't see how you want to have it both ways. Frank is lenient on athletes who get into trouble yet in this one instance WHY DONT YOU FOOLS GET THAT SNYDER WAS BUSTED?! GET IT?!?!


Donte Harden grudge posts? What does that mean? I'm pretty sure Harden served a team-imposed suspension during the 2010 season for his DUI. My post was about how he didn't pay his DUI fine and had an active arrest warrant during his senior season, which I thought was not wonderful and might be of interest to some people.

As to your implication that I'm being inconsistent in my assessment of Frank's disciplinary regime, here's what you're overlooking: Whether or not Frank gives a rat's ass about legal incidents involving his players, and whether or not he thinks Snyder's and Boo's incidents have anything to do with judgement and character as those traits pertain to a leadership position (QB), he probably didn't want to hitch his wagon to a starting QB who was on thin ice with OU judiciaries. I sure as hell wouldn't, especially if I had another strong option (TT) who never seems to get into trouble.
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Well, Frank has said in the last year or two that he's having less and less patience with "questionable characters" (or words to that effect) and is considering character more in his recruiting decisions.  That dude who cut his arm breaking into a house may have been kind of the final straw in breaking the back of the "give 'em a second chance" philosophy. (Extra points for mixing metaphors) I can see that PF might be right that Snyder's legal troubles were a factor in the decision.  I can see why Snyder wanted to transfer.   I just don't buy the QB mutiny part of the story.   I'm also very confused as to why he's going to SEMO where he apparently won't be #1 and where, according to one ace BA reporter, they run the ball most of the time.

Edit: Maybe it's for the pizza.
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