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Posted: 2/9/2012 6:12 PM
I am pretty sure our biggest crowds are against Marshall, since they actually bring fans to the game. 
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Posted: 2/9/2012 6:38 PM
Physicist MH55 wrote:expand_more

and the last time the Owls came in both your stadiums, you enjoyed your biggest crowd.


Wow, you must have been excited to see us.

Oh, and not even close on the crowds. you're confusing "enjoying the crowd" with "enjoying the sweet taste of victory."
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Posted: 2/9/2012 7:38 PM
Well, we know that of the 57,000 that came to the Penn State game, most were Penn State fans. Of the 32,000 that came to the Villanova game, many were Nova fans. So, lets look at the others to get a more accurate gauge of Temple fandom:
Toledo 21,705
Buffalo 25,820
Miami 17,050
Army 25,516
Kent 16,368
Average=21,291, a bit of an improvement over the 2010 average of 20, 515.

By contrast UCF has 39,376 and Memphis has 25,703.

By contrast, Ohio had:
Gardner-Webb - 23,155
Marshall 24,244
Kent 17,155
Ball State 23,146
Temple 17,490
Miami 14,155
Average= 19,890
By the same logic that I threw out Nova and Penn State, I can toss Marshall. Then Ohio averaged 19,020.

So, Ohio is a shade lower than Temple, but not much. I guess that means that the Big East would have nearly as much interest in Ohio as Temple. Oh, and no, Temple was not the highest attendance. I know you love your made-up facts, though.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 8:55 AM
Nice cooking of the books there!

Were you at the Penn State game? No you weren't.  It was a 60/40 Temple crowd.
Were you at the Nova game? No you weren't. It was an 80/20 Temple crowd.

 I don't know why you all continue to have this inferiority complex towards Temple.. you continually beat us so there is nothing to be nervous about!  Seriously the whole focus of the board is on Temple. 

You have a very competitive football program that is perfect where it is!  Be proud of it!
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Posted: 2/10/2012 9:13 AM
I know there and interesting and informed people in Athens, Ive been there but they sure aren't the house plants that engage me on every threadf here. The numbers are real. I cant help that our nook mirrors the rest of the
country, nobody cares about the MAC including a vast proportion of the citizens of Ohio.
If 3 out of 4 of our best attended games are OOC, its time to be Outta of the Conference.

About these lights, they weren't the $1.69 Walmart twinklers, these were the big 'ol glass bulbs of the 70's !!! And more than a half dozen of those sons o'bitches. Can you imagine?
 
WTF Neil?
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Posted: 2/10/2012 12:32 PM
I can easily picture Temple moving to CUSA. That wouldn't surprise me in the least. I just don't think they have shown the consistent fan support to appeal to the Big East. The fact is indisputable that the Big East chose Memphis over Temple, and I'm sure fan support was a reason. I would also expect that East Carolina would be chosen ahead of Temple. 

Regarding the distribution of support at the Penn State game, I don't think that is particularly relevant. The fact that those additional 30,000 fans were on hand for Penn State, but not other games is an indication that it was the appeal of Penn State that brought them there, regardless of who they actually ended up rooting for. When Temple can create fan interest of its own, the fans will show up for all games, not just Penn State. Note that for Ohio the fan attendance was not much different for Gardner-Webb, which has no regional appeal at all, than it was for Marshall, which does. If Temple can accomplish that, but at the 50,000 fan level, they indeed belong in the Big East. If they can accomplish that in the 30,000 range, CUSA is probably appropriate. So long as it is in the 20,000 level, you aren't that far from the rest of the MAC.

So, let's wait and see how your average looks in 2012, without Penn State on the schedule. That will tell a much more accurate story than anything you or I might guess here.
Last Edited: 2/10/2012 12:41:27 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 1:27 PM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
Nice cooking of the books there!

Were you at the Penn State game? No you weren't.  It was a 60/40 Temple crowd.
Were you at the Nova game? No you weren't. It was an 80/20 Temple crowd.

 I don't know why you all continue to have this inferiority complex towards Temple.. you continually beat us so there is nothing to be nervous about!  Seriously the whole focus of the board is on Temple. 

You have a very competitive football program that is perfect where it is!  Be proud of it!


This guy is on to something. They got some people into their(?) stadium, I don't care whose fans they were. We have a small out of the 1920's or whatever stadium, regardless of how nostalgic. We essentially give away most of our tickets-students, family packs, $5 promotions, families, faculty, staff, etc. And other than a few games like osu, NW, So Miss and maybe Marshall, we didn't draw well to the away games I have gone to the last 5-6 years. We are a small market with a relatively small (sometimes serious) fan base.  That's the way it is.

This whole board being about Temple-that is hogwash of course.  People get riled up with a particular poster, but whole focus-???

Addendum" There were more Cal Poly fans at the UC-Davis game I went to this fall in Davis than Ohio fans I have seen at any away game.  We really don't travel well, folks.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 1:54 PM
It will take generations to get Temple to 50k of Temple fans only in the stands. Remember Temple football was dead only 7 years ago.  Penn State has been building to their current stature since.. well since Joe Pa started over 40 years ago.

We need help with attendance which is why we schedule PSU, Notre Dame and Maryland.  Playing quality football against name opponents is the key. When we were in the Big East we played name opponents but played horrible football.. trust me.. I watched every practice and game twice back in those days.

The problem with the MAC is that people in the area don't care about MAC teams.. they think Miami(OH) is the U and Ohio is  Ohio State.  that's why we want to be in the Big East so bad.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 3:44 PM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
It will take generations to get Temple to 50k of Temple fans only in the stands. Remember Temple football was dead only 7 years ago.  Penn State has been building to their current stature since.. well since Joe Pa started over 40 years ago.

We need help with attendance which is why we schedule PSU, Notre Dame and Maryland.  Playing quality football against name opponents is the key. When we were in the Big East we played name opponents but played horrible football.. trust me.. I watched every practice and game twice back in those days.

The problem with the MAC is that people in the area don't care about MAC teams.. they think Miami(OH) is the U and Ohio is  Ohio State.  that's why we want to be in the Big East so bad.


Remember the old saying "be careful what you wish for".
I have a number of friends who are big Rutgers fans and they  think the Big East is
becoming the puch line for jokes.
They expect other schools to jump ship and are hoping RU is one of them.

 
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:21 PM
I understand why you want to move to the Big East, and I don't blame you. I also agree that moving to the Big East should bring more fans than MAC games. It is equally true that Memphis will add more fans moving up from CUSA, so I still think that the Big East decision was reasonable. It's a chicken and egg thing, though, if, without fan support, you can't move, and without moving you can't have fan support. In the meantime, if you keep playing good football, and you make it a fun experience for fans, your fan support should continue to grow. A move to CUSA might be a good intermediate step for you.

That's the Ohio, plan, too - keep winning, and keep adding fans. In time, hopefully they can fill the stadium every game, without having to give the tickets away. It's a slow, steady process, but you can see the momentum. The question for Ohio is how far they can take the program, and how far they want to take it.
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Posted: 2/11/2012 1:41 PM
Hey all you shut-ins and dateless bastids,
You got the Owls pimpin another Ohio BB team
on the Deuce tonite at 9. Your welcome !
 
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Posted: 2/11/2012 3:08 PM
Who gives a deuce?
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Posted: 2/11/2012 7:52 PM
Physicist MH55 wrote:expand_more
 Your welcome !
 


Look at that temple education at work.



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Posted: 2/11/2012 10:23 PM
He has no idea why that was funny, either.
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Posted: 2/11/2012 10:51 PM
I've been on multiple forums ever since the beginning of the net.....I can say without hesitation that this guy is is the biggest idiot in the history of sports forums.
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Posted: 2/12/2012 11:24 AM
Yet you hang on every word.....

As we speak, "]["emple Reps are negotiating our exit. I dont think we'll be right back.

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Posted: 2/12/2012 7:08 PM
Go GO GO GO GO, Please:

At this point don't let the door hit you in the ass and I hope you are HAPPY!  Do us here one favor and go in peace, enjoy your new gig and leave the rest of us in the MAC alone!  For my curiosity - are you going in all sports or only football.  Will your other sports suffer in C-USA?  I think so!  Football may be a good fit though!  Adios
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Posted: 2/13/2012 1:10 PM
Lande71 wrote:expand_more
Go GO GO GO GO, Please:

At this point don't let the door hit you in the ass and I hope you are HAPPY!  Do us here one favor and go in peace, enjoy your new gig and leave the rest of us in the MAC alone!  For my curiosity - are you going in all sports or only football.  Will your other sports suffer in C-USA?  I think so!  Football may be a good fit though!  Adios

This !!! And I second what Doc and LC have said also.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 2:31 PM
Physicist MH55 wrote:expand_more
Yet you hang on every word.....

As we speak, "]["emple Reps are negotiating our exit. I dont think we'll be right back.



Springer?  Really?
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Posted: 2/13/2012 2:37 PM
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry...

Article on CUSA-MWC meger. They are forming a totally new conference consisting of: 

Southern Miss, Marshall, East Carolina, UAB, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP and Tulane from C-USA and Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, Fresno State, Nevada and Hawaii from the MWC. Hawaii would be a football-only member, making a 15-team all-sports conference and a 16-team football conference. 

The article mentions the possibility of Temple being thrown in, but they already have 16 football schools, why would they want to add a 17th?
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Posted: 2/13/2012 3:14 PM
Can't wait for the Marshall-Hawaii rivalry.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 3:24 PM
Hope they keep the C-USA moniker.  If there is one positive for that conference, it at least has its name right in a day of a ten-team Big 12, 12-team Big Ten, and where the East apparently stretches to Texas.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 4:40 PM
A few rambling thoughts. So you take the leftovers of 2 conferences and make a combined conference with those dregs. Who will that really appeal to? I'm not sure this new conference would be a lot better than the MAC if the MAC continues to improve which I think it has shown it may be doing.  Can anyone really defend the travel in these new conferences?  The lack of any/many natural rivalries?  The additional costs of this travel?  We may do long bus trips in the MAC, but look at the Boise plane costs-more than $200,000.  Of course we would not take as many players etal as that during the regular season, but think about the same for all the other sports' teams.

We may not like the MAC, but there is some geographical sense with it as is.  (Perhaps with a little tweaking )

I don't see how all this stuff helps the student part of the student-athlete, just the schools coffers, I guess.

Could Temple possibly play in a new conference this year?  Can't imagine the chaos in scheduling that would cause.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 4:53 PM
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Hope they keep the C-USA moniker. 


I propose C-FARG, because this conference is a clusterfarg.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 5:01 PM
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Can't wait for the Marshall-Hawaii rivalry.


Ah, a road trip to Hawaii sounds good to me.
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