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Posted: 11/9/2011 10:17 AM
According to ESPN, CBS and AP...JoePa is done at the end of the season.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 3:45 PM
That is unbelievable!  The power of $.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 4:04 PM
Another great link BobGrad86. That Mark Madden guy has some cojones. Apparently, he's a sports talk radio host in Pittsburgh. 

It also contained a nugget of info that I hadn't seen anywhere else - a 15-year-old alleged victim in 2009 helped start the current, pending case against Sandusky, et al.  

So McQueary came clean during the interview process.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 4:37 PM
Every single person on the Board of Trustees and most of the players for that matter would have seen this story in the local paper or had been told about it.

So Joe went into 2011 and breaks Eddie Robinson's record and now wants to coach at least one more game to tie Amos Alonzo Stagg for most games coached.

The fact that everbody at Penn State is suprised by this weeks events is a farce!
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Posted: 11/9/2011 6:42 PM
Mark Madden used to do color commentary for the late, occasionally-great WCW, and was the biggest idiot to ever man the broadcast booth (and that's saying a LOT).  This article from April, though, is pretty amazing to see now.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 7:18 PM
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Mark Madden used to do color commentary for the late, occasionally-great WCW, and was the biggest idiot to ever man the broadcast booth (and that's saying a LOT).  This article from April, though, is pretty amazing to see now.


Judging by his twitter feed ( https://twitter.com/#!/MarkMaddenX ), he's not a bright man. His thoughts sound like something I'd come up with.

But he seems to have stumbled upon some really good takes on this one months ago.Granted, he was borderline libelous at the time...but it turned out to likely be true.

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Posted: 11/9/2011 7:45 PM
So what're the odds Kirby Hocutt gets the AD post?
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Posted: 11/9/2011 8:31 PM
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So what're the odds Kirby Hocutt gets the AD post?


Kirby is a Big XII guy so I don't see it. I would look to the Big East at Rutgers or UConn as AD's there may want to jump ship to a more stable conference.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 9:20 PM
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Grobe's name is on the this "B List" to replace Paterno.

http://coachesbythenumbers.com/paterno-era-ends-whats-next-for-penn-state/



Grobe is making something like 3 million a year over at Wake Forest and is going to be 60. I think Chris Petersen would be a sharp move for Penn State. He recruited the Mountains well at Boise and could transfer his culture over to Penn State. The California recruiting pipeline will go over well in the Big Ten. With Kellen Moore graduating Boise is due to take a step back next season.  
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Posted: 11/9/2011 10:30 PM
Well, it's official. Looks like Nebraska will be the first team to play the Nittany Lions in the post-Paterno era: espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state
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Posted: 11/9/2011 10:39 PM
Paterno out effective immediately. The more and more I thought about it Paterno's statement about wanting to finish out the season was completely untenable and selfish in light of the circumstances. He should have offered to finish out Saturday at the most. This scandal runs so deep that he felt he had to cover up 10 years ago when it surfaced instead of doing the right thing. JoePa is a selfish coward who wouldn't risk staining his legacy to protect the children and families that he says to pray for in his statement. The guy is total slime.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 9:19 AM
I don't see that at all. Of course, I'm not paying super close attention to the story, but the total slime here is Sandusky. Let's not lose site of that.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 10:05 AM
There's plenty of slime to go around and some of it splashed on the media and the PSU community last night.  Did you catch the Trustees news conference, per chance?  I've never felt sorry for a spokesman in a firing before but I was expecting a vigilante mob of Paterno supporters to show up and haul the guy away on live TV.  That, however, was not as shameful as the display by the student body.  I understand upset and I understand taken by surprise but please show some respect for the real victims.

Having said all that, what happened to the days when a person was given a chance to resign and save face for all involved.  If that had been permitted, a conciliatory message as well as acceptance could have been provided by Paterno and a lot of trouble might have been saved.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 10:23 AM
The Penn State President who OKed the AD's unenforceable policy of Sandusky agreeing not to bring kids to the facilities, Graham Spanier, is losing his job as well.

This whole turn of events reminds me of a job I considered applying for. The company is called Dick Jones Communications out of State College, Penn., with an office in Wooster. They do nothing but college and university PR and appeared to have some specialty in crisis communications.

The brand is sullied, and while that's not as important as the tragedy that's occurred, I encourage all Bobcatattackers to also check out the climategate corruption/Michael Mann/weather control angle of the climate and meteorology programs there for additional reading on what universities should not do. 

We don't know that the trustees are sincerely decent people, but they had to regain control of the institution by clearing the decks.

These people rallying or rioting for Paterno are sort of bizarre.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 10:30 AM
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I don't see that at all. Of course, I'm not paying super close attention to the story, but the total slime here is Sandusky. Let's not lose site of that.


Think about how obviously wrong Sandusky's behavior was going back to at least 1977.  I could understand if the guy was making 3-4 million a year wanting to set up a foundation to help disadvantage youths to give back and save himself some taxes. Sandusky was making 30-40k a year then which was good money at the time but there was no financial justification to setting up an organization like that. Paterno had to have known Jerry was an odd duck all along but turned a blind eye because winning was too important to him. Forcing Sandusky out of the staff amid a criminal investigation in 1999 to then give him emeritus status access to facilities any consent to that arrangement by Paterno and the administration is plain wrong. I had a good friend that was a Penn State fan and I recall him saying something about Sandusky's behavior back in 02-03. Its been widely known that Sandusky was a pedophile by the PSU community for years. In a recent article about Sandusky last spring showed a picture with Paterno with his hand on Sandusky's shoulder at football practice with an expression on his face that says another year another Second Mile camp well done Jerry. Paterno had a close friendship with Sandusky right up until the end. The board of trustees knew how close Paterno was to Sandusky and his role in allowing Sandusky to stay in the picture at Penn State. In the end JoePa tried to negotiate finishing out the season for himself by releasing an official statement to the media and told reporters that he was disappointed by the Trustee's decision. Which has led to a riot on Penn State's campus from uninformed students having put trust in Paterno's words. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15662479
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:11 AM
We don't know how much Paterno knew about Sandusky. Yes he knew him personnally, but that is not the same thing as knowing about his pedophilia. Even if some people were wary of Sandusky because of these kinds of accusations, there seems to be no reason to believe that Paterno knew he was a pedophile. Paterno may have thought--or even hoped--that it was all BS.

If what you're saying is true, and Paterno then booted Sandusky out of the staff but allowed him access to facilities: that's not necessarily damning either. Paterno may have been still operating under the belief that Sandusky was an oddball, but not necessarily a pedophile. And Paterno may have never believed that Sandusky would commit a child rape right inside those facilities.

I find it VERY hard to believe that Paterno would sanction that.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:18 AM
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There's plenty of slime to go around and some of it splashed on the media and the PSU community last night.  Did you catch the Trustees news conference, per chance? 


Penn State and the whole state of PA has an odd vibe to it. The PA Turnpike has those creepy Roy Rodgers rest stops. Its a perfect setting for a diabolical predator with access to football camps across the entire state. You've the amish in Lancaster County now sexting on cell phones. I don't like going to Philadelphia which I have to for conferences but at least a few parts of the city that aren't completely strange unlike everywhere else in the state. You've got these small towns in Eastern PA that have nothing but dumpy row houses built in the 1830's with large eastern orthodox churches peppered in through the neighborhoods. The towns are like like large versions of Glouster in Athens County only more odd with the funky eastern churches. I know I'm showing some cultural bias with this post but PA is strange.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:20 AM
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We don't know how much Paterno knew about Sandusky. Yes he knew him personnally, but that is not the same thing as knowing about his pedophilia. Even if some people were wary of Sandusky because of these kinds of accusations, there seems to be no reason to believe that Paterno knew he was a pedophile. Paterno may have thought--or even hoped--that it was all BS.

If what you're saying is true, and Paterno then booted Sandusky out of the staff but allowed him access to facilities: that's not necessarily damning either. Paterno may have been still operating under the belief that Sandusky was an oddball, but not necessarily a pedophile. And Paterno may have never believed that Sandusky would commit a child rape right inside those facilities.

I find it VERY hard to believe that Paterno would sanction that.


You already said you're not paying close attention to the story, and that's evident in your most recent post.

McQueary (who told investigators that he saw Sandusky sodomizing the boy) showed up at Paterno's house one day with McQueary's dad. McQueary, according to sworn testimony, was terribly upset and told Paterno about the indecent act.

What part of that do you not understand?
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:25 AM
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There's plenty of slime to go around and some of it splashed on the media and the PSU community last night.  Did you catch the Trustees news conference, per chance? 


Penn State and the whole state of PA has an odd vibe to it. The PA Turnpike has those creepy Roy Rodgers rest stops. Its a perfect setting for a diabolical predator with access to football camps across the entire state. You've the amish in Lancaster County now sexting on cell phones. I don't like going to Philadelphia which I have to for conferences but at least a few parts of the city that aren't completely strange unlike everywhere else in the state. You've got these small towns in Eastern PA that have nothing but dumpy row houses built in the 1830's with large eastern orthodox churches peppered in through the neighborhoods. The towns are like like large versions of Glouster in Athens County only more odd with the funky eastern churches. I know I'm showing some cultural bias with this post but PA is strange.


Your descriptions of Pennsylvania (and OU students and Athens) are pretty spot-on, Wes.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:27 AM
Not to mention the accusations in the late 90's. Surely Paterno was aware of that situation.

This must have been why Sandusky was let go originally. 

Paterno claiming that he is "shocked" is total BS. That makes me think he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. 
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:40 AM
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We don't know how much Paterno knew about Sandusky. Yes he knew him personnally, but that is not the same thing as knowing about his pedophilia. Even if some people were wary of Sandusky because of these kinds of accusations, there seems to be no reason to believe that Paterno knew he was a pedophile. Paterno may have thought--or even hoped--that it was all BS.

If what you're saying is true, and Paterno then booted Sandusky out of the staff but allowed him access to facilities: that's not necessarily damning either. Paterno may have been still operating under the belief that Sandusky was an oddball, but not necessarily a pedophile. And Paterno may have never believed that Sandusky would commit a child rape right inside those facilities.

I find it VERY hard to believe that Paterno would sanction that.


You already said you're not paying close attention to the story, and that's evident in your most recent post.

McQueary (who told investigators that he saw Sandusky sodomizing the boy) showed up at Paterno's house one day with McQueary's dad. McQueary, according to sworn testimony, was terribly upset and told Paterno about the indecent act.

What part of that do you not understand?


I understand only what I personally KNOW to be true. Right now, I don't know much. The difference is, I'm willing to admit that, and you are not.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:47 AM
Maybe Paterno turned a blind eye and could not conceive of pedophilia because he's a hidebound, stubborn old dude. But that's about the nicest spin you can imagine.

I didn't mean to criticize you unduly, Robert Fox, but there are pleny of people in this thread who have obviously studied and digested this scandal and have a good take on it. Slamming me for having opinions when I have and you haven't is pretty bush league.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:54 AM
I didn't slam you at all. I responded to your shot at me. Having an opinion is fine, but it's only an opinion. At this point, none of us can know for sure what happened. At least not until more details emerge. The only thiing I'm confident about right now, is that Sandusky is a slimebag. After that, it gets a bit more unclear.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:58 AM
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I didn't slam you at all. I responded to your shot at me. Having an opinion is fine, but it's only an opinion. At this point, none of us can know for sure what happened. At least not until more details emerge. The only thiing I'm confident about right now, is that Sandusky is a slimebag. After that, it gets a bit more unclear.


Sandusky is not a slimebag. Sandusky is a predatory monster.
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