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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:08 PM
Day Tripper wrote:expand_more
There is one thing that's starting to bug me with the rankings so high and Ohio is not mentioned yet. The dumb asses might have forgotten about us and we are not going  to be ranked??


He hasn't forgotten about us, DT. It's Just that SMENE has sent him a special gift of Green Kool-Aid and he has gotten addicted to it! 

Speaking of Green: Here's some ... Norman North High School

And here's some more...


And how about some more..

What is their significance to OUr team?
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Posted: 8/7/2012 12:50 AM
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Who is No. 29? The head coach at the next program is the first in college football history with his last name. There are two coaches who share the first three letters of his last name, however: one who posted a pair of undefeated seasons and one whose head coaching career ended with a winning season.

Well, Solich is the first with his name. There are, however 4 coaches with the same first thee letters:
Ossie Solem - had one undefeated team, but ended 1-6
Charles Soleau - Short career, ended with a winning season, but not I-A
Henry Solimano - One season as a coach for Dayton, was 2-2
Earle Solomonson - Had an undefeated season, coaching for Montana State and ND St

Clue does not fit Ohio. Who does it fit?

Rutgers - Kyle Flood
Johnny Floyd had two undefeated seasons.
Ron Flowers ended on a winning note.
Last Edited: 8/7/2012 12:55:15 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 7:36 AM
If you look at Paul Myerberg's twitter feed, he responds to Andrew Gribble, an OU alum and talented young sportswriter, with a hint that Ohio will be #25.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:04 PM
Well Rutgers is #29. We won't be #28 either.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:15 PM
It appears that Tennessee will certainly be #28.

L.C. wrote:expand_more
... Other teams in the running for 30-34 include Louisiana Tech, Houston, Tennessee, Rutgers, Mississippi State, and BYU.  I'm calling it Louisana Tech 34, then Houston 33, and Ohio 32.

All these teams except BYU are now accounted for, and Florida and Oklahoma State slipped in behind Ohio as well. So, will BYU be #27? Who else would slip behind Ohio to get Ohio into the Top 25? It would have to be Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Utah,  Boise State, or Notre Dame.
Last Edited: 8/7/2012 1:56:50 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:09 PM
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It appears that Tennessee will certainly be #28.

... Other teams in the running for 30-34 include Louisiana Tech, Houston, Tennessee, Rutgers, Mississippi State, and BYU.  I'm calling it Louisana Tech 34, then Houston 33, and Ohio 32.

All these teams except BYU are now accounted for, and Florida and Oklahoma State slipped in behind Ohio as well. So, will BYU be #27? Who else would slip behind Ohio to get Ohio into the Top 25? It would have to be Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Utah,  Boise State, or Notre Dame.


L.C., if I listen to one of my friends who is a Miss State fan, it would be ND. In his mind, the Irish would be over-rated at No. 40. It is probably Boise, but who is to say at this point?! This is an insanely elevated view of OUr 'Cats. Wish this were the consensus come January.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:31 AM
based on his hint given:

"The total distance tomorrow’s program will travel for its road games this fall is 1,648 miles, give or take a mile here or there. [Distances are from the university's main address to the "town center" of each its road opponents -- for example, "Los Angles" should one of the opponents be U.S.C.]"

I think we're #27.  I did a little Google Mapping, and I came up with 1653 miles. Most of the trips didn't come up with tenths of a mile, plus I just did Athens, OH as suppose to the "University's main address", which I guess would be 120 Chubb Hall... maybe? That's why I think I'm about 5 miles off.
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 1:36:40 AM by KyleWvr13
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:44 AM
Interesting. That isn't what I get at all, but then I don't use google. I got the following distances from infoplease, and confirmed them with another website, geobytes:
Athens to Happy Valley - 358.4 miles
Athens to Huntington - 65.5 miles
Athens to Foxborough - 599.9 miles
Athens to Oxford - 142 miles
Athens to Muncie - 184.8 miles
Athens to Kent - 131.9 miles
Total Distance - 1482 miles
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 1:45:30 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:05 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Interesting. That isn't what I get at all, but then I don't use google. I got the following distances from infoplease, and confirmed them with another website, geobytes:
Athens to Happy Valley - 358.4 miles
Athens to Huntington - 65.5 miles
Athens to Foxborough - 599.9 miles
Athens to Oxford - 142 miles
Athens to Muncie - 184.8 miles
Athens to Kent - 131.9 miles
Total Distance - 1482 miles

I just did Athens in general using Bing, rounded.

Athens to Happy Valley-469
Athens to Huntington-80
Athens to Foxborough-726
Athens to Oxford-167
Athens to Muncie-220
Athens to Kent-172
1834

Three very different numbers.  Too early in the morning for me to trust mine at all.
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 8:09:37 AM by The Optimist
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:07 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Interesting. That isn't what I get at all, but then I don't use google. I got the following distances from infoplease, and confirmed them with another website, geobytes:
Athens to Happy Valley - 358.4 miles
Athens to Huntington - 65.5 miles
Athens to Foxborough - 599.9 miles
Athens to Oxford - 142 miles
Athens to Muncie - 184.8 miles
Athens to Kent - 131.9 miles
Total Distance - 1482 miles


Athens to Oxford only 142 miles? Even our basketball boys know its 182!!!

Athens to Muncie is at least 200.

I would think the people at PreSnapRead are using Google, which is what I just looked at.
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 8:09:01 AM by GoCats105
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:13 AM
Ah, I figured it out. The shorter distances are as the crow flies, computed by using latitudes and longitudes, while the longer distances are the driving distances. This website computes it both ways, and shows Athens to Oxford at 142 as the crow flies, and 181 driving distance.
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 8:22:11 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:25 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Interesting. That isn't what I get at all, but then I don't use google. I got the following distances from infoplease, and confirmed them with another website, geobytes:
Athens to Happy Valley - 358.4 miles
Athens to Huntington - 65.5 miles
Athens to Foxborough - 599.9 miles
Athens to Oxford - 142 miles
Athens to Muncie - 184.8 miles
Athens to Kent - 131.9 miles
Total Distance - 1482 miles

I just did Athens in general using Bing, rounded.

Athens to Happy Valley-469
Athens to Huntington-80
Athens to Foxborough-726
Athens to Oxford-167
Athens to Muncie-220
Athens to Kent-172
1834

Three very different numbers.  Too early in the morning for me to trust mine at all.

Using google
Athens to State College-326 (I checked bing, you need to type in state college or you are heading to the wrong place)
Athens to Hutington-81
Athens to Amherst would be 692 to Foxboro would be 725
Athens to Oxford 180 (167 via Bing is obviously a different route then Google sends you.  182 that OU uses is the 2nd quickest route per Google)
Athens to Muncie 222 
Athens to Kent 172 (192 if you used the quickest route)
1673 using first numbers.  I'd say we're definitely ballpark.  
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 8:26:39 AM by The Optimist
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:51 AM
Since technology isn't helping us, we can at least eliminate some based on our smarts.  
Using the post on Page 2, I think we are down to this.
Alabama, Arkansas, Boise State, Brigham Young, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, Mississippi, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Southern Cal, Stanford, Texas, Texas Christian, Utah, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Wisconsin

Although home vs Hawaii, BYU travels all over the west and as far east as Notre Dame and GT.
Notre Dame has to travel to USC this year. 
Boise is @ Hawaii
Even if Boise was home I think their conference schedule puts them out of the running... So I'll focus on teams in the East
Virginia plays @TCU, otherwise they might have had a shot.
Ohio State looked worth counting...
to MSU 255
to South Bend 227
to State College 323
to Madison 502
1277 Only 4 away games. 
WVU is Big 12 now, thinking it is probably us.
GT looks close...
to Maryland 649
to VT 410
to Clemson 123
to UNC 379
to the other Athens 70
1631
Could be?
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 9:07:37 AM by The Optimist
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:58 AM
If it is us, it would've been more interesting to have a clue mentioning that we traveled further for a final game of the season (to Boise) than we will travel in all of our road games this year, even if we make the conference championship.  The clue is a pretty boring one compared to some of the more challenging ones given recently.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:12 PM
Georgia Tech is 27!!
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:13 PM
26 isn't OUr team either.  Looks like BYU qualifies though. 
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:33 PM
Well, well, Ohio will apparently be #26. The clue he gave did not appear to fit, though it almost did, but apparently he was using different data for the 1896 and 1898 seasons than the data in the Ohio Media Guide, and he intended the clue to point to Ohio.

Now that we see Ohio ranked at #26 by Presnapread, and at #31 by Phil Steele, the question arises, how good does the team need to be to justify that kind of rating, given the parity in college football? Turning to the Sagarin ratings, which I like for their transparency, last year's numbers:
#26 team - 79.91
#51 team - 73.88
#76 team (Ohio) - 69.81

The preseason consensus seems to place Ohio at about #51. To achieve that, Ohio will need to be about 4 points better than last year. Is that possible? Definitely. I think the offense will be about the same, but the defense will be a few points better. In fact, a 4 point improvement, is just about exactly what I expect.

What about a #26 rating? To approach the top 25, Ohio will need to improve a full ten points over last year. That's a huge jump. Ohio has jumped 10 points before a couple times,  from 2005 to 2006  and from 2010 to 2011, plus the 2008 to 2009 jump was close. A ten point jump will be hard, though starting from as good as they were last year. That's going to be tough.

What will it take? Well, for starters, an extra year with the Frankenstein offense should be worth a couple more points. TT's experience will help, too. The young receivers, and the young offensive tackles will have to pick up where last year's receivers left off. The defense will also have to get better, and make significantly fewer bad plays, and get more sacks. Is it possible? Well, I won't be the one to say they can't do it, but I'm not ready to say they belong at #26 yet, either.

Go Ohio!
Last Edited: 8/8/2012 4:43:57 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 5:27 PM
This man is insane.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 5:31 PM
I woke up and examined a controversy regarding mapping, mid-day a Deaf and Dumb Institute controversy emerges.  What will the evening bring?
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Posted: 8/8/2012 6:36 PM
For the mega-leap, we'll need some guys to become dominating stars.

Can someone send this thread and the article (when it comes OUt) to that buffoon who writes for the stupd cow newspaper.  You know, the guy who still thinks that they beat us in football and hoops last year--because they're so much better than us.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:05 PM
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I woke up and examined a controversy regarding mapping, mid-day a Deaf and Dumb Institute controversy emerges.  What will the evening bring?

Indeed. It seems that the data at Cfbwarehouse for Ohio does not match the Ohio records for the years 1896, 1897, and 1898:
1. Did they play Marietta once or twice in 1896?
2. Did they win or lose the games with Chillicothe in 1896, and was it the "Young Men's Club" or the "Young Men's Christian Association", ie, YMCA?
3. Was the game with the Deaf and Dumb Institute in 1897, or in 1898?

The only person who probably remembers those games is OCF.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:25 PM
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The defense will also have to get better, and make significantly fewer bad plays, and get more sacks. 


The offense gets all the credit in the MAC, but I really believe that if we can stay healthy this defense can be something special this year. D-line and DBs should be better. There is a huge hole a MLB to fill, but all evidence is that K. Moore is more than capable of getting the job done. And I have a feeling that, at the end of the season, when we're talking about the historic 14-0 season, including a win over a B1G team in a BCS bowl, we're going to look back and give major credit to the improvements on D.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:04 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I woke up and examined a controversy regarding mapping, mid-day a Deaf and Dumb Institute controversy emerges.  What will the evening bring?

Indeed. It seems that the data at Cfbwarehouse for Ohio does not match the Ohio records for the years 1896, 1897, and 1898:
1. Did they play Marietta once or twice in 1896?
2. Did they win or lose the games with Chillicothe in 1896, and was it the "Young Men's Club" or the "Young Men's Christian Association", ie, YMCA?
3. Was the game with the Deaf and Dumb Institute in 1897, or in 1898?

The only person who probably remembers those games is OCF.


According to my trusty 19th Century media guides, here's the answers to your questions:

1.  1896 -- played Marietta once, lost 22-0
2.  1896 -- played Y.M.C. (Chillicothe) twice; won first game 12-6, won second game 22-8.
3.  The 38-6 walloping of D&D Institute occurred in 1897.  

The four-game 1898 and '99 seasons were very abbreviated, in part, I believe because of the death of QB Ralph O'Bleness due to an injury in practice prior to the '98 WVU game in Morgantown.  The Mountaineers won 16-0, after having lost the previous year in Athens, 12-0.  Charles G. O'Bleness, Ralph's brother, was the founder of the Security Bank in Athens and the benefactor of the hospital in Athens that bears his name.  Charles was the manager of the football team when his brother was QB.  He was also the founder of the Ohio Debate Team, and a championship debater, back in the day.  
Last Edited: 8/9/2012 10:49:18 AM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 8/9/2012 12:00 AM
You weren't at those games?

That other website I linked to shows the games to Chillicothe as losses, and calls them "young men's club" instead of YMCA. It shows 2 losses to Marietta in 1896 instead of one. Also, it shows the win over the Deaf and Dumb institute in the 1898 year rather than 1897.

 
Now, on to the article at Pre-snapread on Ohio. I am very impressed at his accurate and in depth reporting. The scary thing is that, after reading his article, he may be right - perhaps Ohio can prove they belong ranked this high.
 
Last Edited: 8/9/2012 12:31:32 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:37 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
...Now, on to the article at Pre-snapread on Ohio. I am very impressed at his accurate and in depth reporting. The scary thing is that, after reading his article, he may be right - perhaps Ohio can prove they belong ranked this high.
 


Agree with you, L.C., that there is a lot of meat in the Read. I found it interesting that he would even hint we could run the table in be in a BCS bowl. I'm not sure my old heart could take a perfect 13-0 into a major bowl ... but I'd die proud wearing my Green!
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