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Posted: 9/26/2012 3:17 PM
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From 2006 to present, they have a grand total of two losses by 26 or more, one to Toledo, the other to Ohio State.

Neat stat.  How many top 10 teams have we played in that span?
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Posted: 9/26/2012 3:23 PM
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Ozcat--Duke lost in the first round of the NCAA.  We lost in the third round.  These are facts.

Also a fact: Duke was a better team than Ohio.  So was Mizzou.  I don't care if we made it further in the tournament.  They were still better, and the coache's poll would agree.  So does every rationale thinking person on this board.


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Are we as good football this year as the top dozen or so teams? Let's see how it plays out.

I don't think we are.  And I still think we are a damn good team.

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That means that, yes, last year we were better than Duke.

Um, no.  We weren't.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 3:45 PM
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And they are not anywhere near the top 25 this year.
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-TCU had to lose a BCS game to Boise before they beat Wisconsin.


So Ohio would get a BCS loss out of the way to be stronger for the future.


Not what I'm saying at all. I may have implied that, my bad. Just saying its tough to win a BCS bowl and to expect a victory in your first time out is a little over-the-top, even for the biggest Bobcat fan. If we win, holy crap yes take it and run.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 3:52 PM
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Ozcat--Duke lost in the first round of the NCAA.  We lost in the third round.  These are facts.

Also a fact: Duke was a better team than Ohio.  So was Mizzou.  I don't care if we made it further in the tournament.  They were still better, and the coache's poll would agree.  So does every rationale thinking person on this board.


Are we as good football this year as the top dozen or so teams? Let's see how it plays out.

I don't think we are.  And I still think we are a damn good team.

That means that, yes, last year we were better than Duke.

Um, no.  We weren't.


No.

Duke was better than us at the end of last basketball season--if you judge by the program history/reputation and the alleged talent of the players.  Who gives a flip about that.  (Do some research; you'll find that most games are actually decided by the results on the floor/field.)

What part of they-lost-in-the-first-round-to-Lehigh and we-won-two-games-in-the-tournament do you not understand?

Let's both just agree that you will never admit that O H I O can be as good as 'the big boys' and leave it at that.

That, which is so evidenced in your tag line, is why I hope you enjoy your red and gray wardrobe.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 4:09 PM
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  . . . What part of they-lost-in-the-first-round-to-Lehigh and we-won-two-games-in-the-tournament do you not understand? . . . ..


+100  Couldn't have put it better myself! 

Thanks, Monroe, for not backing down to this lunatic idea that some mythical analysis of team strength, number of highly rated recruits, etc., trumps results on the field.  What you correctly said is that we were the better TEAM last season.  A team is often more than the sum of its parts.  It's teams that win or lose games, not the individual players -- however talented they may be.  Football and basketball are team sports, and you live and die by the degree of team chemistry and how well your individual players are playing as a unit.  This, of course, is determined by how well they are coached, their individual personalities, and how they use the level of God-given talent they possess.  Right on, my Man!
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-TCU had to lose a BCS game to Boise before they beat Wisconsin.


So Ohio would get a BCS loss out of the way to be stronger for the future.


Not what I'm saying at all. I may have implied that, my bad. Just saying its tough to win a BCS bowl and to expect a victory in your first time out is a little over-the-top, even for the biggest Bobcat fan. If we win, holy crap yes take it and run.


I hear ya man, but if we go to a BCS game I'm not going to think "Well, I sure hope we keep it close and make ourselves look good!"  I will walk into that stadium with my fan game face on and will cry out into the night "WE ARE OHIO" and personally will the 'Cats to victory.  That's my job as a fan, and it should be all of our jobs to not have a single doubt in our minds that our boys can take it to the best of them.  Frank would have them ready, and we will support them 110%
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Posted: 9/26/2012 4:23 PM
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From 2006 to present, they have a grand total of two losses by 26 or more, one to Toledo, the other to Ohio State.

Neat stat.  How many top 10 teams have we played in that span?

Two of those games were against Top 3 teams, both Ohio State. In one Ohio lost big, in the other they led after 3 quarters despite losing their starting QB in the early going to a shoulder separation. Your comparison misses a point, though. Yes, any foe that Ohio would face in a BCS bowl would be better than almost any of the teams Ohio has played over the last six years, but, on the other hand, Ohio is a much better team than the last 6 years, too. They might get blown out, but they might not. Either way, because of the exposure, Ohio wins.

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... I'd most prefer matching up against a Big East champion Louisville, or maybe Cincinnati (their passing game against our secondary would worry me, and I don't think anyone else in the conference is likely to win it), or a (fluke) Big10 champion/runner-up Northwestern or Minnesota (again, unlikely but not impossible).

If Ohio does make the BCS, they will most likely barely make it, and be considered to be the weakest team in the field, and be matched therefore against one of the other, weaker teams. That might be a Big Ten or Big East champion, or a runner up from some other conference.
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Questions for Ozcat:

1.  Was Michigan's basketball team better than Ohio last year?
2.  Was Ohio State a better basketball team than Cincinnati in 1961 and '62?

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#1 Michigan had more highly ranked recruits last year than did Ohio.
#2 OSU had the "dream team" of college athletics in 1960-63 with more prized recruits than UC.  There was so much hype going on for OSU that an Ohio governor had egg all over his face when he declared that every Buckeye State citizen was rooting for OSU to win another national championship in '61.  He somehow forgot that Cincinnati was in Ohio, and/or had a then city-university that played the round ball sport and was nationally ranked.   It's laughable, but true. 
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The fact that anyone would rather us play Northwestern in the Meineke Car Care Bowl over a BCS bowl blows my mind. That being said Florida State would be a tough matchup. I want Notre Dame, they're beatable. Or Louisville.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 5:11 PM
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Questions for Ozcat:

1.  Was Michigan's basketball team better than Ohio last year?
2.  Was Ohio State a better basketball team than Cincinnati in 1961 and '62?

1)  No.  WE actually beat them, and I believe if we played 10 times, we would split.
2)  I don't know.  I was -21 years old.

You guys are both out of your minds.  I understand Mizzou and Duke lost in the first round.  I also understand that between the 2 of them, they were a combined 57-12.  I don't care how they fared in the tournament, where anything can happen.  They both ran into underdogs who got hot at the right time.  By no means, does this somehow magically mean Ohio was better than both of those squads.  Rational people understand this.

Anyone who has followed this board for more than 6 months knows which side of rational you and Monroe fall on.


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I want Notre Dame, they're beatable. Or Louisville.

I would take either of those teams.
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I see Ozcat gets the pleasure of explaining things to our message board idiot. Glad it isn't me this time.
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I can understand Ozcat not thinking we can win a BCS game, I can understand Ozcat cheering for OSU, I can understand Ozcat thinking I am crazy for thinking we could win a BCS bowl...  I can even understand him thinking it is impossible we make a BCS game, even if I disagree (assuming undefeated)..

What I cannot understand is anyone not wanting us to make the BCS.  That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on Bobcatattack.  The money involved is next level (even if we lose).  The exposure involved is next level (even if we lose).  Everything about it is next level (even if we lose).  And there is no promises we lose.  No one outside the MAC will remember us if we beat a terrible B1G team in a bad bowl and remain undefeated.  Even if we get blown out, people will remember us for a BCS showing.  
And then their is that chance we win, or even keep it close...  Complete program changer.  The risk/reward here is clear.  No one said we would beat Georgetown.  Some said we'd beat Michigan, but few said we'd make the Sweet Sixteen. Guess what?  We did.  Gotta love sports.
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How has Ohio State been since their embarrasing losses?

Well, they went 6-7 last season.  They lost their longtime head coach who many considered a walking legend.  They won a few BCS games, one of which has since been vacated along with a string of other victories, among other things.

So I guess, to answer your question, things have gone pretty terrible for them since their embarassing losses.


Uh, I think they rebounded to win consecutive BCS Bowl games. One could argue that one of the most important games in the Solich era was the blowout loss to Troy in the New Orleans Bowl. Solich realized he had to change the offense if Ohio were to be competitive at higher levels. That led to the offense Ohio has now and putting Tettleton at the controls.

I just don't understand your fear of Ohio Football success and all of the backhands you give it. It's OK to just post on the Basketball board where the rules of Bobcat fandom/competitiveness seem to be different in your eyes.


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-TCU had to lose a BCS game to Boise before they beat Wisconsin.


So Ohio would get a BCS loss out of the way to be stronger for the future.


Not what I'm saying at all. I may have implied that, my bad. Just saying its tough to win a BCS bowl and to expect a victory in your first time out is a little over-the-top, even for the biggest Bobcat fan. If we win, holy crap yes take it and run.


I hear ya man, but if we go to a BCS game I'm not going to think "Well, I sure hope we keep it close and make ourselves look good!"  I will walk into that stadium with my fan game face on and will cry out into the night "WE ARE OHIO" and personally will the 'Cats to victory.  That's my job as a fan, and it should be all of our jobs to not have a single doubt in our minds that our boys can take it to the best of them.  Frank would have them ready, and we will support them 110%


AH-HA! I see what you did there....HIO!

Anyways, I agree. No matter the odds stacked against us, that is not going to discourage me from cheering/screaming my head off for all of Bobcat Nation to hear. I remember watching the Ohio-UNC game, and going into that game we had a snowball's chance in hell at winning...and we took them to overtime (almost beat them...damn, if only Offutt had made that jumper)...I don't care who we play, BCS, not BCS, whatever...I'm cheering for my team!
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Posted: 9/26/2012 5:42 PM
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Questions for Ozcat:

1.  Was Michigan's basketball team better than Ohio last year?
2.  Was Ohio State a better basketball team than Cincinnati in 1961 and '62?

1)  No.  WE actually beat them, and I believe if we played 10 times, we would split.
2)  I don't know.  I was -21 years old.

You guys are both out of your minds.  I understand Mizzou and Duke lost in the first round.  I also understand that between the 2 of them, they were a combined 57-12.  I don't care how they fared in the tournament, where anything can happen.  They both ran into underdogs who got hot at the right time.  By no means, does this somehow magically mean Ohio was better than both of those squads.  Rational people understand this.

Anyone who has followed this board for more than 6 months knows which side of rational you and Monroe fall on.


I want Notre Dame, they're beatable. Or Louisville.

I would take either of those teams.


If we're into playing the rational card, please name for me any Athletic Director, Coach, Player, Fan or Broadcaster who thinks it is preferable to play Northwestern in the Pizza Bowl to playing Florida St. in the Orange Bowl?
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Posted: 9/26/2012 6:17 PM
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Ozcat wrote:expand_more
Questions for Ozcat:

1.  Was Michigan's basketball team better than Ohio last year?
2.  Was Ohio State a better basketball team than Cincinnati in 1961 and '62?

1)  No.  WE actually beat them, and I believe if we played 10 times, we would split.
2)  I don't know.  I was -21 years old.

You guys are both out of your minds.  I understand Mizzou and Duke lost in the first round.  I also understand that between the 2 of them, they were a combined 57-12.  I don't care how they fared in the tournament, where anything can happen.  They both ran into underdogs who got hot at the right time.  By no means, does this somehow magically mean Ohio was better than both of those squads.  Rational people understand this.

Anyone who has followed this board for more than 6 months knows which side of rational you and Monroe fall on.


I want Notre Dame, they're beatable. Or Louisville.

I would take either of those teams.


I love this!  You base your judgment on what would happen...what shoulda happened...not what did.

How's that black and white TV holding out for you; you're right--color TV will never make it so let's stick to the way that things have always been, have always appeared to have been.  Despite reality.

I guess that you get credit for being provocative.  Could you and donuts (who, apparently, is deeply committed to stupidity and ad hominem, forgoing all attempt at reasoned argument, at meeting the point) pm me with the field you work in and the firms that you work for.  'cause if your approach to business is as offbase as it is here, I might as well be the one who takes your cash.


Belief which is not in accord with reality.  I love this!
Last Edited: 9/26/2012 6:18:17 PM by Monroe Slavin
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Ozcat is the Gov Wallace of Bobcat Nation. "Mid Major now, Mid Major tomorrow, Mid Major forever!"

He's not worried about Ohio getting blown out in a BCS bowl, he's worried about them winning.
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Ozcat is the Gov Wallace of Bobcat Nation. "Mid Major now, Mid Major tomorrow, Mid Major forever!"

He's not worried about Ohio getting blown out in a BCS bowl, he's worried about them winning.


Brilliant.

He reminds me of the guy next to me in the Horseshoe when we were leading O$U in fourth quarter. The Bucknut turned to me, exasperated, and said, "This game is IMPORTANT for US." Because, you know, the rest of their season meant something and wasn't taking place in some joke of a conference like the MAC. We should have spent the afternoon kissing the ring and celebrating keeping it closer than 56-0. He was honestly amazed and offended that we had the temerity to compete with his precious team.

Ozcat and people like him all say, "I LOVE the Bobcats!" but deep down, they really think "... but my real team -- for the games that actually matter -- is some bloated BCS Walmart-fan-laden juggernaut)."
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Optimist - Great post.  The money involved, and the positive press does outweigh the risk.  You backed it up with a compelling argument.  I agree with all of it.

Perimeter - I enjoy being a mid-major.  Quite frankly, I find it much more enjoyable than rooting for the big dogs.  Watching us knock off Michigan was way better for me than watching OSU beat Syracuse in the Elite Eight.  If we build our program into a Boise, I would love it.

Ted - I'm not afraid of the football success.  I eat it up.  The 4th quarter of the Marshall game was one of the most nerve wrenching 15 minutes of football I've ever watched.  And it was awesome.  I invite the sustained success (What Frank is doing).  I just don't want to be a flash in the pan (Think Tim O'Shea).

Optimist Prime convinced me that the BCS is the end goal.  I'm onboard.  But I still think that if we'd make it, and let's say we get mopped of the field by FSU (hypothetical only), that the negative press AFTER the game from all the "well they never should have been there in the first place pundits" would be less than desirable.  But aim high.  Let's do it.

Monroe - Read Optimist's post.  He took in what I had to say, analyzed it, then built a compelling argument as to why I should change my thought process. 

You spouted of some random nonsense about black and white TVs.  Reading your posts is exhausting.  Nobody takes you seriously.  Almost everyone on this board would readily admit that Duke and Mizzou were better teams than us, despite their early tournament exits.  The only person who agrees with you is the guy who is constantly battling you for the BobcatAttack pinhead award.  Your argument is flawed, majorly.  There's a reason both teams were ranked higher than us in the final coache's poll.

You and OCF's level of passion is unwavering.  Never apologize for it.  I just wish you two weren't so wasted on the green and white kool-aid all the time.  Dialysis can be expensive . . .

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Totally with Optimist. Rather lose a BCS bowl than play a smaller one. Plus, we don't know the match-up. If it is an at-large SEC team ranked something like 3 or 4, no, I don't love our chances. But give me the Big East champion and I think we match up fine.

To the comment about UConn since their BCS bowl: certainly no worse off than before they went.
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Could you and donuts (who, apparently, is deeply committed to stupidity and ad hominem, forgoing all attempt at reasoned argument, at meeting the point) pm me with the field you work in and the firms that you work for.  'cause if your approach to business is as offbase as it is here, I might as well be the one who takes your cash.


Why do I even attempt to talk to the board's idiot?

Just because you type long sentences and try to throw in a few ACT words to make yourself look smart still doesn't cover the facts up that you are talking nonsense.

Your terrible reasoning as to why Ohio was better than Duke last year would really hold up in whatever business you work in I'm sure. If you actually need that explained to you, well, you are a lost cause.
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One could argue that one of the most important games in the Solich era was the blowout loss to Troy in the New Orleans Bowl. Solich realized he had to change the offense if Ohio were to be competitive at higher levels. That led to the offense Ohio has now and putting Tettleton at the controls.
Sorry to get off topic a bit, but this is spot on and needs to be understood by all. For Frank to be humble (not sure if that's the right word or not) enough to see that he may need to change to get better is why Ohio is where it's at right now. Most are too stubborn, but not Frank. He took the butt whipping and changed it into a reason why they are 1-0 for 4 weeks now (and why they won 10 last year). If he would have been too proud to do that, I doubt they would be in the position they're in now.
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I am willing to sacrifice ....
 
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  600 Shively cookies,   
 
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Are you SURE you're a Bobcat?  

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How has Ohio State been since their embarrasing losses?

Well, they went 6-7 last season.  They lost their longtime head coach who many considered a walking legend.  They won a few BCS games, one of which has since been vacated along with a string of other victories, among other things.

So I guess, to answer your question, things have gone pretty terrible for them since their embarassing losses.


Is the loss "embarrassing" if no one really expects you to do much?

How can you be embarrassed by doing your best to win each game?

How could we, as an organization, be embarrassed by winning EACH AND EVERY GAME along the way to this game?  The one we're going to lose and "be embarrassed" in?

By having student athletes that are ACTUALLY students?

By doing more with less resources than those large programs?

I think we WIN BIG simply by making it to the game.  How much would that help recruiting?  Brand recognition? Ticket sales? Donations?

I just don't see a big downside.  

Yes, we may not win the game; I'll concede that it's likely we don't.  If you'd like, I'll concede that the BCS AQ school would be giving us 30 points on a vegas line.

I still don't see embarrassment here, anywhere.  I can guarantee you this: TT and BB would not be embarrassed by their efforts for the year.  Frank wouldn't be.  I wouldn't be embarrassed to wear my Bobcat gear.

It's not like we allowed kids to be molested, or we paid kids for work that wasn't done, or we turned a blind eye to any number of NCAA violations that Marshall has engaged in over the years.

The WORST possible outcome is that you lose a game you were never expected to play.  

I'll take this level of embarrassment every day.

GO BOBCATS!
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