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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:04 PM
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You know they could do it!

I don't know that they could do it.  I think we're a damn good team.  But there is a huge difference in beating a Penn State team (that will likely only win 3-4 games) and Marshall than knocking off Florida State, LSU, or Georgia.  I think we're closer to Brady Hoke's Ball State team than we are Urban Meyer's Utah squad.

If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.
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I am willing to sacrifice Bentley Hall (annex included), the department of classics and world religions, 1/2 of Ping, 600 Shively cookies, the burrito buggy and The Plains in exchange for a BCS bowl.   If they drive a tough bargain I will kick in 3 uptown bars of my choosing.  If they really push it I will throw in a home and home with Marietta in hoops.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:09 PM
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I am willing to sacrifice Bentley Hall (annex included), the department of classics and world religions, 1/2 of Ping, 600 Shively cookies, the burrito buggy and The Plains in exchange for a BCS bowl.   If they drive a tough bargain I will kick in 3 uptown bars of my choosing.  If they really push it I will throw in a home and home with Marietta in hoops.


NOT THE SHIVELY COOKIES!!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:11 PM
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You know they could do it!

I don't know that they could do it.  I think we're a damn good team.  But there is a huge difference in beating a Penn State team (that will likely only win 3-4 games) and Marshall than knocking off Florida State, LSU, or Georgia.  I think we're closer to Brady Hoke's Ball State team than we are Urban Meyer's Utah squad.

If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.


Would someone, please, direct this person to his home at the annoying negativity of the boards of the jr. institution in columbus.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:11 PM
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The Ridges is also on the trading block.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:21 PM
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Touch my Burrito Buggy and somebody's getting a whippin'

It seems that the best bet is to root against the undefeated teams. Including us there are 21 undefeated teams playing on Saturday. The worst case is only 2 will lose (most likely Baylor will lose to WVU & Iowa State will lose to Texas Tech).

I'm hoping Washington can beat Stanford and Michigan St beats the Bucks. That leaves 17 undefeated teams with a few more that didn't play this week. The less undefeated teams in the mix the better since we are going to be one at the end of the season.

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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:22 PM
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You know they could do it!

I don't know that they could do it.  I think we're a damn good team.  But there is a huge difference in beating a Penn State team (that will likely only win 3-4 games) and Marshall than knocking off Florida State, LSU, or Georgia.  I think we're closer to Brady Hoke's Ball State team than we are Urban Meyer's Utah squad.

If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.


Fair enough.  I just want to see OHIO under the big lights of the BCS.  I don't necessarily foresee a win, but I don't see a blowout either.  I want to give our guys the chance to make the loudest noise possible on the biggest stage, since this may not happen again for a while.   
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:30 PM
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If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.


With all due respect, I think you are on crack. 

To be selected as one of the 10 teams that get to play in a BCS bowl would bring us more exposure than we could ever dream of. It would be like making the sweet 16 in basketball -- three times in a row. The entire country would be buzzing about the Ohio Bobcats for the weeks and days leading up to the game. 
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:31 PM
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You know they could do it!

I don't know that they could do it.  I think we're a damn good team.  But there is a huge difference in beating a Penn State team (that will likely only win 3-4 games) and Marshall than knocking off Florida State, LSU, or Georgia.  I think we're closer to Brady Hoke's Ball State team than we are Urban Meyer's Utah squad.

If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.


Would someone, please, direct this person to his home at the annoying negativity of the boards of the jr. institution in columbus.


Sorry, have to agree with Ozcat here. Getting to a BCS game is one thing, a tall order at that. Winning a BCS game is a whole new story altogether. Don't try to mix us in with Boise, Utah and TCU just yet. We haven't even won a MAC title. It's fun to talk about making to the BCS, but winning it right off the bat? That's tough. Remember what happened to Hawaii when they got in? Yeah...

Of course we have a shot, it's football. Anything can happen. But let's not act like our program has grown to that level overnight just yet. We can always hope and dream though.

-Utah beat an overrated Pitt team and an Alabama squad that didn't even want to be in the Sugar Bowl.
-Boise beat an always vulnerable Oklahoma after choking away a huge lead and using three of the gutsiest and greatest play calls of all time to win.
-TCU had to lose a BCS game to Boise before they beat Wisconsin.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:39 PM
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So you guys are saying you don't want to risk a blowout loss?  Fair enough, but I believe the risk is worth the potential reward.  BCS is the endgame...
 

Getting blown out wouldn't be fun, but you gotta risk big loses for big rewards.  Going undefeated beating Minnesota in a bowl game doesn't do anything compared to going for it all in the BCS.  We got blown out in the New Orleans bowl for gods sake... I can handle a bcs loss.
 

Talking bcs losses is unrealistic though.  We got Frank

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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:43 PM
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Better yet, root against the teams higher than us on this poll: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/124
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:51 PM
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You know they could do it!

I don't know that they could do it.  I think we're a damn good team.  But there is a huge difference in beating a Penn State team (that will likely only win 3-4 games) and Marshall than knocking off Florida State, LSU, or Georgia.  I think we're closer to Brady Hoke's Ball State team than we are Urban Meyer's Utah squad.

If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.

Penn State should beat Indiana for sure, plus has a reasonable shot of beating Illinois, Northwestern Iowa, and Wisconsin, and might beat Ohio State or Purdue. I think 5-7 wins is where they end up.

In any case, if Ohio gets in a BCS bowl, they might not win a BCS bowl game, but if they don't get in, I can assure you that they won't win a BCS bowl game. You never know - they might win. Ohio wasn't supposed to win any games in the Basketball tournament, either, but they did. Even if they lose, the value as far as raising the profile of the program and recruiting is huge. Winning the Potato Bowl gets you a little publicity, but it can carry you only so far.

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Sorry, have to agree with Ozcat here. Getting to a BCS game is one thing, a tall order at that. Winning a BCS game is a whole new story altogether. Don't try to mix us in with Boise, Utah and TCU just yet. We haven't even won a MAC title.....


That isn't relevant. If Ohio does get into a BCS bowl, they will have won the MAC.
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If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.


With all due respect, I think you are on crack. 

To be selected as one of the 10 teams that get to play in a BCS bowl would bring us more exposure than we could ever dream of. It would be like making the sweet 16 in basketball -- three times in a row. The entire country would be buzzing about the Ohio Bobcats for the weeks and days leading up to the game. 

I completely agree that the exposure and money would be huge positives.  But then potentially losing (badly) could be a massive black eye.

How has UConn football been since their embarassing loss?

Small steps, build towards Boise.  In my opinion, the better game plan.

Monroe, save it.  I know you think we should probably already be playing in the National Championship game, and that last year's basketball team was better than Duke and Mizzou by your logic, but some of us are realists.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:59 PM
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Ohio wasn't supposed to win any games in the Basketball tournament, either, but they did.

Terrible analogy.  As soon as that matchup was announced, anyone who followed our team knew that it was a terrific draw.  Many of the talking heads picked the upset as well.

No sane person would think that we would matchup well with LSU or FSU.  Sorry.  But it's the truth.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 2:11 PM
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Ozcat--Duke lost in the first round of the NCAA.  We lost in the third round.  These are facts.

Can you argue that Duke was better than us last year at season's end?  Yes.  But your argument is against the F A C T S.

And makes everyone else head to the shower to ward off your nega-tivity.




Are we as good football this year as the top dozen or so teams? Let's see how it plays out.


Show a little pride, dude.  I think the rest of us want to play "the best."  You seem to fear that.

Catch this:  we are as good as we are.



That means that, yes, last year we were better than Duke.

Of course, you're still gonna tell me that Duke was better than Lehigh.

And they were.  Except when they played the game.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 2:13 PM
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There have been a lot of games that Ohio has played where they "didn't match up" well, yet they have rarely been blown out. From 2006 to present, they have a grand total of two losses by 26 or more, one to Toledo, the other to Ohio State.

It's one thing to say that "given the draw", Ohio did or didn't have much chance. Using your thinking, they should have just skipped the tournament, and not taken the chances on the draw. If Ohio does get in a BCS bowl, it is very unlikely they will get matched against LSU or Alabama. If they do get in, I'll wait to see the draw before I decide if how much chance they have, or don't have.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 2:18 PM
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Ohio wasn't supposed to win any games in the Basketball tournament, either, but they did.

Terrible analogy.  As soon as that matchup was announced, anyone who followed our team knew that it was a terrific draw.  Many of the talking heads picked the upset as well.

No sane person would think that we would matchup well with LSU or FSU.  Sorry.  But it's the truth.


Were the Dukes happy about drawing Lehigh?

Play the games.  Yeah, as a fan it's somewhat wondrous to me that we play the top teams and hang--that's why beating PennState was fun.  I'm sure the players and coaches were not surprised at all.
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Sorry, have to agree with Ozcat here. Getting to a BCS game is one thing, a tall order at that. Winning a BCS game is a whole new story altogether. Don't try to mix us in with Boise, Utah and TCU just yet. We haven't even won a MAC title.....


That isn't relevant. If Ohio does get into a BCS bowl, they will have won the MAC.


I guess I should clarify. I'm just saying the guys who think we're ready to win a BCS bowl game against an established program can pump the breaks a bit. I would like for us to win a MAC title first before I think about not only making it to the BCS bowl, but also winning it. It's relevant, but it isn't. You know what I mean I think.

Optimist - I was agreeing with Ozcat's observation of us losing a bowl game rather than his take on not going to it. I am all for taking the BCS money over any other bowl. You never know when we might get up to that point again.
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Show a little pride, dude.  I think the rest of us want to play "the best."  You seem to fear that.


I don't think his realistic opinion/expectation has anything to do with his school pride or he wouldn't even been on this message board. If you honestly think we can hang with the 12 best teams in the country, that's your opinion. Ozcat doesn't agree.

It's just really hard to look at the rosters of an established program and think we have a shot. But yes, the games have to be played on the field.
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If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.


With all due respect, I think you are on crack. 

To be selected as one of the 10 teams that get to play in a BCS bowl would bring us more exposure than we could ever dream of. It would be like making the sweet 16 in basketball -- three times in a row. The entire country would be buzzing about the Ohio Bobcats for the weeks and days leading up to the game. 

I completely agree that the exposure and money would be huge positives.  But then potentially losing (badly) could be a massive black eye.

How has UConn football been since their embarassing loss?

Small steps, build towards Boise.  In my opinion, the better game plan.

Monroe, save it.  I know you think we should probably already be playing in the National Championship game, and that last year's basketball team was better than Duke and Mizzou by your logic, but some of us are realists.


What the hell is going on here? I thought the whole reason we played the game was to win at the highest levels of the sport. In college football, the BCS is what all teams aspire to play in at the end of the season. If you'd rather play Northwestern in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl instead of getting a shot at winning the Orange Bowl just because you're scared we may get blown out, I'd say we pack up the football program and shut it down. I want to win it all.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 2:52 PM
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If right now I had the option of an Orange Bowl matchup against FSU or a game against Northwestern, I'd pick the latter.  I'd rather have a bowl win than a (potentially bad) BCS loss.


With all due respect, I think you are on crack. 

To be selected as one of the 10 teams that get to play in a BCS bowl would bring us more exposure than we could ever dream of. It would be like making the sweet 16 in basketball -- three times in a row. The entire country would be buzzing about the Ohio Bobcats for the weeks and days leading up to the game. 



How has UConn football been since their embarassing loss?



How has Ohio State been since their embarrasing losses?
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Posted: 9/26/2012 2:53 PM
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Ohio wasn't supposed to win any games in the Basketball tournament, either, but they did.

Terrible analogy.  As soon as that matchup was announced, anyone who followed our team knew that it was a terrific draw.  Many of the talking heads picked the upset as well.

No sane person would think that we would matchup well with LSU or FSU.  Sorry.  But it's the truth.


OK. How about Georgetown? No one was predicting that.

I want no part of the SEC, they are on a different level. But I would want every bit of Florida State. 
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-TCU had to lose a BCS game to Boise before they beat Wisconsin.


So Ohio would get a BCS loss out of the way to be stronger for the future.
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Ohio wasn't supposed to win any games in the Basketball tournament, either, but they did.

Terrible analogy.  As soon as that matchup was announced, anyone who followed our team knew that it was a terrific draw.  Many of the talking heads picked the upset as well.

No sane person would think that we would matchup well with LSU or FSU.  Sorry.  But it's the truth.


OK. How about Georgetown? No one was predicting that.

I want no part of the SEC, they are on a different level. But I would want every bit of Florida State. 


Agree, I'd rather not take the injuries (even at the end of the season) that would come against an alabama or LSU. Florida/georgia/South Carolina we'd have a slim shot against, but a shot. I'd most prefer matching up against a Big East champion Louisville, or maybe Cincinnati (their passing game against our secondary would worry me, and I don't think anyone else in the conference is likely to win it), or a (fluke) Big10 champion/runner-up Northwestern or Minnesota (again, unlikely but not impossible).
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Posted: 9/26/2012 3:15 PM
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How has Ohio State been since their embarrasing losses?

Well, they went 6-7 last season.  They lost their longtime head coach who many considered a walking legend.  They won a few BCS games, one of which has since been vacated along with a string of other victories, among other things.

So I guess, to answer your question, things have gone pretty terrible for them since their embarassing losses.
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