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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:50 PM
If the Big 10 comes calling ...the ACC as we know it is thrown ot the winds.  doesn't mean the ACC will disband.. but it still could be raided at any moment and is therefore..unstable.

Are you really just concerned about the name of the Big East conference? 

I'm not worried... and neither should you.
I'm looking forward to this schedule next year.. not too bad...

Sat., Aug. 31      at Notre Dame                     South Bend, Ind.
Sat., Sept. 14     FORDHAM                            Lincoln Financial Field
Sat., Sept. 28      at Idaho                                Moscow, Idaho
Sat., Oct. 19       ARMY                                    Lincoln Financial Field
 
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TBA                   *BOISE STATE                       Lincoln Financial Field
TBA                   *CENTRAL FLA.                     Lincoln Financial Field
TBA                   *CONNECTICUT                    Lincoln Financial Field
TBA                   *HOUSTON                            Lincoln Financial Field
 
AWAY
TBA                   *at Memphis                          Memphis, Tenn.
TBA                   *at Rutgers                            Piscataway, N.J.
TBA                   *at San Diego State             San Diego, Calif.
TBA                   *at SMU                                  Dallas, Texas
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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:34 PM
OK, TVGuy I'll make it easy for you:

ACC-currently 12 teams
Big10-currently 12 teams
Big12-currently 10 teams
SEC-currently 14 teams
PAC12-12 teams
SUB TOTAL-60 teams

Granted some of teams are switching from one of the BIG Conferences to another but all will survive.

Next 7 in are:

Notre Dame
Rutgers
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt 
Boise St
TCU
NEW TOTAL-67

Some of these guys have already moved to the BIG 5 while others are shoe ins.  So, there are a minimum of 3 slots open (and a max of probably 10).  The more I look at this, the more I think the magic number is 70.  So who do YOU think are the last three in (here are 12 to choose from, you have others?):

UC
UCONN
Fresno St
San Diego St
Utah St
Air Force
Army
Navy
USF
UCF
Ohio or Temple (haha)

I hope TVGuy now realizes that Temple like Ohio and the rest of CUSA, MAC, Mtn West, WAC and Sun Belt are ALL headed to the "next level" (down)!
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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:59 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
OK, TVGuy I'll make it easy for you:

ACC-currently 12 teams
Big10-currently 12 teams
Big12-currently 10 teams
SEC-currently 14 teams
PAC12-12 teams
SUB TOTAL-60 teams

Granted some of teams are switching from one of the BIG Conferences to another but all will survive.

Next 7 in are:

Notre Dame
Rutgers
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt 
Boise St
TCU
NEW TOTAL-67

Some of these guys have already moved to the BIG 5 while others are shoe ins.  So, there are a minimum of 3 slots open (and a max of probably 10).  The more I look at this, the more I think the magic number is 70.  So who do YOU think are the last three in (here are 12 to choose from, you have others?):

UC
UCONN
Fresno St
San Diego St
Utah St
Air Force
Army
Navy
USF
UCF
Ohio or Temple (haha)

I hope TVGuy now realizes that Temple like Ohio and the rest of CUSA, MAC, Mtn West, WAC and Sun Belt are ALL headed to the "next level" (down)!


Not following your list. and it is flawed. Notre Dame is Independent.. TCU is already in the Big 12, Boise is in the Big East....You're missing BYU, Houston among others

These super conferences are going to expand to 16 schools.. so that creates 80 slots so your theory is kinda blown.

Also you have to tell me where these schools are going... Army?  Fresno State? Which of the Big Five conferences are they going to?      really Utah State over Temple to any conference?

UC and UCONN are possibly the  first to the ACC but you forget Temple's media market is 4th in the nation. and that's what all of this movement is about. The Big 10 didn't invite Maryland and Rutgers for their football or basketball programs, The ACC is trying to build a national cable network.  Which market do you think they want to be in first... Cincinnati, Storrs, CT or Philadelphia.

Again bottom line... I'm happy with the conference Temple is in.. and if it all blows up.. Temple will be in the discussions for any future movement.

One thing to remember with UCONN.. Boston College can't stand them and will fight with whatever power they might have to keep UCONN out of the ACC. It all stems from a lawsuit UCONN filed when BC left the Big East for the ACC. 
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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:33 PM
Interesting article on ESPN insider on top realignment free agents.r. Temple is #5. Heres what they say:

5. Temple Owls

Current affiliation: Big East
10-year record: 43-76, two bowls, 0 conference titles
TV market: Philadelphia (fourth)

 

 

 

No, I didn't expect to see the Owls on this list, either. But as soon as I started making calls, they came up early and often. "They are Rutgers not so long ago," one East Coast AD explained. "If they could ever get their act together in football they could be a giant. They sit in the middle of all that tri-state talent."

 

 

 

They also sit in the middle of that tri-state media market, which nearly everyone I contacted pointed to as the school's biggest strength. "Do I think that Phillies and Eagles fans are suddenly going to start watching Temple football? No. But that doesn't matter," the East Coast AD said. "The Big Ten wanted Maryland for the media market. It's about the households you can deliver for a cable network and the subscriber fees that come with it, or more importantly the households you can bring to the table during TV negotiations."

 

 

A charter member of Big East football two decades ago, the Owls were shed for a while, only to return in time for the current march to extinction. "I'm not saying this will happen," the East Coast AD continued. "But this would sure fill in that gap left in the ACC's map when they lost Maryland and couldn't get Rutgers."

4. Boise State
3. Cincinnati 
2. Houston
1. BYU


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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:18 PM
It's hard to know what the future will bring, other than more re-alignment. The consensus seems to be that the SEC and Big 10-dozen are heading for 16 teams. I would guess both will raid the ACC to get there. For the Big 10, they might add Georgia Tech and Virginia. The ACC could add Clemson and NC. What if the Big 12/10 decides to go for 16 as well? Who will they raid? Mostly likely the ACC again. They could add Miami (FL), FSU, and Virginia Tech, plus either Pitt or BC. That won't leave much ACC left.  I can't see how the PAC 10 would get to 16 teams, though. I could imagine them adding BYU and maybe Boise State, but probably they will stay where they are, and BYU and Boise will end up back in the MWC.

If all of the above happened, what would the ACC do? They would raid other teams, but not much would be left. They'd have to raid what little is left of the Big East.  At that point I presume the Big East, if they still exist, would look to CUSA, the MAC, or Sunbelt for more teams. Who would they take? It's hard to know, but when it's all done, it won't be nearly the conference it once was.

I do think that we are approaching the final stage of the re-alignment, though. If Ohio is going to end up in a different conference, this will be when it happens.

Edited to fix typos...
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:20 PM
TVGuy. Thanks for the corrections.  I just screwed up TCU nd BYU.  And, Boise did NOT play in theBigEast this year.

After reading some more posts, what makes any of us think the BIGS aren't really going to 4 BIGCONFERENCES of 14-16 in football (56-64 teams) which screws up a bunch of other schools (wannabees) who are holding out hope (including Temple) to be included.  I just really doubt the SEC, BIG10, BIG12 and PAC 12 want to share all that revenue with any more schools than they have to.  The four Conference scenario also makes a playoff easier.  Each Division of the BIG4 has a Championship game.  Then the 4 Champs play two games for a National Champ.

LC is right though, who really knows what the BIGS are thinking.  In time this will all sort itself out.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:29 PM
At this point it looks like the Mega-Conferences will be the Big Tendozen and the SEC, plus the Big Twelve-ten and the Pac 10. The ACC may very well end up on the outside looking in, along with the Big East.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 1:07 PM
Boise now seriously talking to the MWC about staying there.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 11:21 AM
Boise wants to negotiate a seperate network contract for their home games.. If the MWC wants to let them do that... they have can them... that's a conference killing move though.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 1:58 PM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
Boise wants to negotiate a seperate network contract for their home games.. If the MWC wants to let them do that... they have can them... that's a conference killing move though.


From what I've read, both conferences might let them do that because they are that desparate. It almost could become a bidding war over who gets Boise State and I'd think the Big East would have to be able to offer quite a bit more to make up for the geographical disadvantage.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 5:45 PM
Boise must think they are Notre Dame or BYU.  Do they seriously think they have that kind of national following?  If they go to the BigEast or stay in the MWC, they will find themselves out of the Bigs Playoff plans.  Those two conferences probably will not be included.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 12:10 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
Boise must think they are Notre Dame or BYU.  Do they seriously think they have that kind of national following?  If they go to the BigEast or stay in the MWC, they will find themselves out of the Bigs Playoff plans.  Those two conferences probably will not be included.


I'm guessing by "separate network deal" they mean ESPN-family of networks, since the MWC is currently rather limited in their current TV
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Posted: 12/25/2012 1:28 PM
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Boise must think they are Notre Dame or BYU.  Do they seriously think they have that kind of national following?  If they go to the BigEast or stay in the MWC, they will find themselves out of the Bigs Playoff plans.  Those two conferences probably will not be included.


I'm guessing by "separate network deal" they mean ESPN-family of networks, since the MWC is currently rather limited in their current TV


Can't see ESPN bidding on that.  They're already knee-deep with the SEC and the Longhorn Nets to jump into that.  If anybody bites, it'll probably be NBC Sports Net or CBS Sports Net (maybe Fox if they do nothing but Friday nights since Fox already has Big 12 and Pac 12 on the weekends).  This is clearly a case of Boise having what one TV critic used to call the Purnell Roberts Syndrome -- an enormous over-estimation of their self-worth.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 2:42 PM
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Boise must think they are Notre Dame or BYU.  Do they seriously think they have that kind of national following?  If they go to the BigEast or stay in the MWC, they will find themselves out of the Bigs Playoff plans.  Those two conferences probably will not be included.


I'm guessing by "separate network deal" they mean ESPN-family of networks, since the MWC is currently rather limited in their current TV


Can't see ESPN bidding on that.  They're already knee-deep with the SEC and the Longhorn Nets to jump into that.  If anybody bites, it'll probably be NBC Sports Net or CBS Sports Net (maybe Fox if they do nothing but Friday nights since Fox already has Big 12 and Pac 12 on the weekends).  This is clearly a case of Boise having what one TV critic used to call the Purnell Roberts Syndrome -- an enormous over-estimation of their self-worth.


   Clearly the winner of the post-Mayan-non-event-eclectic-reference award for this decade!  Well played, sir!!
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Posted: 12/26/2012 8:51 PM
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Boise must think they are Notre Dame or BYU.  Do they seriously think they have that kind of national following?  If they go to the BigEast or stay in the MWC, they will find themselves out of the Bigs Playoff plans.  Those two conferences probably will not be included.


I'm guessing by "separate network deal" they mean ESPN-family of networks, since the MWC is currently rather limited in their current TV


Can't see ESPN bidding on that.  They're already knee-deep with the SEC and the Longhorn Nets to jump into that.  If anybody bites, it'll probably be NBC Sports Net or CBS Sports Net (maybe Fox if they do nothing but Friday nights since Fox already has Big 12 and Pac 12 on the weekends).  This is clearly a case of Boise having what one TV critic used to call the Purnell Roberts Syndrome -- an enormous over-estimation of their self-worth.


   Clearly the winner of the post-Mayan-non-event-eclectic-reference award for this decade!  Well played, sir!!


Gracias.  Could never figure his career move, even if he didn't like what was happening on "Bonanza."
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:09 PM
Boise St. to stay in MWC.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:17 PM
bobcat28 wrote:expand_more
Boise St. to stay in MWC.


Do you have a source?

edit: here is ESPN http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8796807/bois... 

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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:20 PM
Where do I send my condolence card to Temple on the death of the Big East?
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:27 PM
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Boise St. to stay in MWC.


Bwahahahaha
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Posted: 12/31/2012 10:36 PM
I'm assuming San Diego State is eyeing the Exit Door as well. SDSU supposedly was a package deal with Boise to the BigEast. IF Boise left the BigEast, SDSU could leave as well and NOT have to pay an exit fee.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:31 PM
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I'm assuming San Diego State is eyeing the Exit Door as well. SDSU supposedly was a package deal with Boise to the BigEast. IF Boise left the BigEast, SDSU could leave as well and NOT have to pay an exit fee.


Per Mighty 1090 here in San Diego the Aztecs are indeed deep in talks to stay in the MWC. The press was already ridiculing the BEAST as a poor fit ("can't wait for that Aztecs-East Carolina rivalry") *before* it fell apart, so I'd be shocked if they didn't stick around at this point.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 10:00 AM
Problem for them is that the MWC isn't sure they need SDSU, there are other programs that want in too now especially with Boise coming back.  And the fact that they are still able to neogiate more on their TV deal now with Boise back in the fold.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:01 PM

 Yea Sarg, I think I read some of the Texas schools are now looking at the MWC in lieu of the Big East.
Once the Power Conferences gave the Gang of 5(MAC, CUSA,MWC,BigEast,SunBelt) a lifeline to the BCS, other than a monster type TV deal the BigEast tried, unsuccessfully, to put together, it made little sense for Boise and SDSU to haul their _sses across country to the BigEast.

UC may end up the winner in all this short term. The BigEast will probably exist in some form of what is left of the CUSA Reunion Tour, and they by far have the strongest football AND basketball program of what remains. If the ticket to the BCS then is highest ranking of the "rank", UC probably stands the best chance to rule the BigEast/CUSA-Redo Conf and then could fight it out with Boise in the polls without actually having to face them on the field. 

UC will probably keep trying to keep up with the Jones' to make themselves attractive to the next round of Conference Whoring, and their hiring of Tuberville and the reported money they are going to spend on facility upgrades will help keeping them the top dog of "dogs" of the BigEast. 

In fact I think UC is in potentially less vulnerable position than Boise for National rankings. Boise's success has ALL occurred under Chris Pederson. When or IF the day comes when some BigBoy Collegiate and/or some NFL team makes Pederson an offer he can't refuse or Boise can't match, all bets are off going forward with Boise. 

UC has already proven they can withstand losing their Head Coach and regrouping and moving on. Boise hasn't had to cross that bridge yet.

 

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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:27 PM
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UC has already proven they can withstand losing their Head Coach and regrouping and moving on. Boise hasn't had to cross that bridge yet.



Boise fans would fight you on that point: see Dan Hawkins and Dirk Koetter, but I think you're right.  If CIncy cracks the top 25 this week, which is a real possibility with a 10-3 record, then they'd have finished ranked four of the past five years.  Not to mention the basketball tradition, which has more national titles hanging from the rafters than O$U.  They're at a crossroads, but right now they're the best of the outsiders.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 12:18 PM
Did anyone else see the many (15-20) well dressed gentlemen, with Big East pins on their blazers, at the Indy Bowl.  I know we had Big East officials but I thought it was strange to see so many other Big East Staff at this game.  I also also saw them in the lobby of the Bobcats Hotels.  

I wonder if they were looking at ULM or OU or were they just there in support of the game officials????  Makes you wonder.
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