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Posted: 1/2/2013 1:59 PM
Boise leaving is not necessarily a bad thing. 

A: Their contract demands are ridiculous.
B: SD State will soon be gone as well.

Hopefully this will allow the NBE to focus away from the national conference idea and build a strong Eastern bloc.

Big East still has a contract for next year and the AQ bid.

Even with all of this turmoil and uncertainity... I'd still prefer this to the MAC.

Interesting comparison of MWC and Big East

http://www.mwcconnection.com/2012/12/31/3803268/big-east-vs-mountain-west-by-the-numbers
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:37 PM
Come on. Admit it. This sucks.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:37 PM
Great comparison of a bunch of the teams on the outside looking in.  Those Big4 conferences could care less about including either of these.  They will be cherry picking the best schools though.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 11:30 AM
If Temple really wants to stay in the Big Least, so be it. But any idea that the "New Big East" (or whatever they're going to call it) will be a strong conference is pure fantasy. UC and UConn are better off trying to get into the ACC. Aligning themselves with Tulane, East Carolina, SMU, or even Navy will not do them any favors. Even Houston. When did this illusion come about that they were an a program worthy of fighting over? Sure, they are in Houston, the largest city in one of the biggest football states, but what have they done, apart from the Case Keenum years? One good player does not a program make. That would be a huge step backward for both UC and UConn.

Of course, the point might be moot. The Texas schools have been in talks with the MWC recently, as is San Diego St. As a former UC student, I for one would like to see them get into the ACC. O$U will never allow another in-state school into the B1G (insert number here) conference. The Big East is done. Time for all involved to pick themselves up, dust themselves off and move on.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 11:34 AM
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I'm assuming San Diego State is eyeing the Exit Door as well. SDSU supposedly was a package deal with Boise to the BigEast. IF Boise left the BigEast, SDSU could leave as well and NOT have to pay an exit fee.


Per Mighty 1090 here in San Diego the Aztecs are indeed deep in talks to stay in the MWC. The press was already ridiculing the BEAST as a poor fit ("can't wait for that Aztecs-East Carolina rivalry") *before* it fell apart, so I'd be shocked if they didn't stick around at this point.


According to ESPN, the deal with Boise is that SDSU must be given the next invite to join the MWC.  That would make the MWC a 12-team league of two divisions, with the championship game at the home of the team with the highest BCS ranking.  Wonder where Boise had in mind?
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:21 PM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
Boise leaving is not necessarily a bad thing. 

A: Their contract demands are ridiculous.
B: SD State will soon be gone as well.

Hopefully this will allow the NBE to focus away from the national conference idea and build a strong Eastern bloc.

Big East still has a contract for next year and the AQ bid.

Even with all of this turmoil and uncertainity... I'd still prefer this to the MAC.

Interesting comparison of MWC and Big East

http://www.mwcconnection.com/2012/12/31/3803268/big-east-vs-mountain-west-by-the-numbers

TUVG, I don't think anyone here is trying to deny you your love of your current conference.  We simply don't prefer it for OHIO.  And the author of the article you cite acknowledges in the comments section below the article that his premise is incorrect because it compares the OLD Big East schedules when comparing to the MWC, not what the NEW Big East schedules would be, and certainly not what it will be when UC and UCONN split.

Either way you still probably get a SOS in the NBE that is greater in FB than the MAC, but most if not all of us could care less.  We would rather a better value proposition for our program in ALL SPORTS, not just the revenue generators.  And we certainly don't see the ROIC for being in the NCUSA or NBE versus a MAC where if you live in OHIO you can drive to damn near every conference game on our schedule, and we have competitive history of at least two decades against every team save for UMASS in FB.

Apples and oranges, and we like the taste of apples.  No offense, we just don't really care if you prefer oranges.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:29 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
Boise leaving is not necessarily a bad thing. 

A: Their contract demands are ridiculous.
B: SD State will soon be gone as well.

Hopefully this will allow the NBE to focus away from the national conference idea and build a strong Eastern bloc.

Big East still has a contract for next year and the AQ bid.

Even with all of this turmoil and uncertainity... I'd still prefer this to the MAC.

Interesting comparison of MWC and Big East

http://www.mwcconnection.com/2012/12/31/3803268/big-east-vs-mountain-west-by-the-numbers

TUVG, I don't think anyone here is trying to deny you your love of your current conference.  We simply don't prefer it for OHIO.  And the author of the article you cite acknowledges in the comments section below the article that his premise is incorrect because it compares the OLD Big East schedules when comparing to the MWC, not what the NEW Big East schedules would be, and certainly not what it will be when UC and UCONN split.

Either way you still probably get a SOS in the NBE that is greater in FB than the MAC, but most if not all of us could care less.  We would rather a better value proposition for our program in ALL SPORTS, not just the revenue generators.  And we certainly don't see the ROIC for being in the NCUSA or NBE versus a MAC where if you live in OHIO you can drive to damn near every conference game on our schedule, and we have competitive history of at least two decades against every team save for UMASS in FB.

Apples and oranges, and we like the taste of apples.  No offense, we just don't really care if you prefer oranges.



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Posted: 1/6/2013 1:32 PM
I have to agree with TUVideoGuy that in the very long run this is the best thing for the remaining members.  I think I said so earlier in the thread.  It was only a matter of time before in fell apart anyway.  Really, that's been obvious almost since the football Big East came into existance.  It was too late and a compromise internally when it did.  The widely varying interests need to go into various conferences.  The parochial schools need to go focus on their interests.  The Western Schools need to go back to the MWC.

Revenue will be lower in the short term but at least the Temples, East Carolinas, and Central Floridas of the world can focus long term on building a stable all sports conference over the long term instead of constantly making compromises that none of them members really like.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:53 PM
If the Catholic 7 schools can get 500 million or whatever was reported for basically mediocre basketball... I can't see an all sports conference with basketball members UConn, Cincy, Memphis and Temple getting less.

 

Looks like SD State is begrudgingly staying the MWC.. I think it was Aresco's plan all along to get rid of the Western expansion idea and have the bball only schools go to create a more unified conference...

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Posted: 1/8/2013 3:03 PM
TVGuy, you're feverishly polishing a dog terd and trying to pawn it off as gold.

The new Big East is one thing, and one thing only:  BAD.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 3:45 PM
Bad because you're not included? You'd rather be able to make bus trips to games rather than build your programs?  I guess I just don't understand the mentality.

Here's an update on the NBE situation.. if you care.

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=4671#more-4671
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Posted: 1/8/2013 4:18 PM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
Bad because you're not included? You'd rather be able to make bus trips to games rather than build your programs?  I guess I just don't understand the mentality.

You've been around enough to know that very few on this board would want any part of your conference right now.  Nobody on the Titanic who missed out on a lifeboat was anywhere close to as happy as you seem to be.

You've always been a pretty standup guy around here, unlike your buddy MH55.  But you continue to try and sell us this notion that you're still in a better position and we'd love to be in your shoes.  We're plenty comfortable, and we're doing some big things. 

I won't tell you that the MAC is awesome.  I will tell you it is the best place for OUr programs, and 7 MAC teams played (poorly, I'll add - except Ohio) in bowl games this year.  Not too shabby for the lil' ol conference that you never came close to winning.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:42 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Boise leaving is not necessarily a bad thing. 

A: Their contract demands are ridiculous.
B: SD State will soon be gone as well.

Hopefully this will allow the NBE to focus away from the national conference idea and build a strong Eastern bloc.

Big East still has a contract for next year and the AQ bid.

Even with all of this turmoil and uncertainity... I'd still prefer this to the MAC.

Interesting comparison of MWC and Big East

http://www.mwcconnection.com/2012/12/31/3803268/big-east-vs-mountain-west-by-the-numbers

TUVG, I don't think anyone here is trying to deny you your love of your current conference.  We simply don't prefer it for OHIO.  And the author of the article you cite acknowledges in the comments section below the article that his premise is incorrect because it compares the OLD Big East schedules when comparing to the MWC, not what the NEW Big East schedules would be, and certainly not what it will be when UC and UCONN split.

Either way you still probably get a SOS in the NBE that is greater in FB than the MAC, but most if not all of us could care less.  We would rather a better value proposition for our program in ALL SPORTS, not just the revenue generators.  And we certainly don't see the ROIC for being in the NCUSA or NBE versus a MAC where if you live in OHIO you can drive to damn near every conference game on our schedule, and we have competitive history of at least two decades against every team save for UMASS in FB.

Apples and oranges, and we like the taste of apples.  No offense, we just don't really care if you prefer oranges.



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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:42 AM
Ozcat wrote:expand_more
Bad because you're not included? You'd rather be able to make bus trips to games rather than build your programs?  I guess I just don't understand the mentality.

You've been around enough to know that very few on this board would want any part of your conference right now.  Nobody on the Titanic who missed out on a lifeboat was anywhere close to as happy as you seem to be.

You've always been a pretty standup guy around here, unlike your buddy MH55.  But you continue to try and sell us this notion that you're still in a better position and we'd love to be in your shoes.  We're plenty comfortable, and we're doing some big things. 

I won't tell you that the MAC is awesome.  I will tell you it is the best place for OUr programs, and 7 MAC teams played (poorly, I'll add - except Ohio) in bowl games this year.  Not too shabby for the lil' ol conference that you never came close to winning.


As usual, I must agree with Ozcat.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:17 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Bad because you're not included? You'd rather be able to make bus trips to games rather than build your programs?  I guess I just don't understand the mentality.

You've been around enough to know that very few on this board would want any part of your conference right now.  Nobody on the Titanic who missed out on a lifeboat was anywhere close to as happy as you seem to be.

You've always been a pretty standup guy around here, unlike your buddy MH55.  But you continue to try and sell us this notion that you're still in a better position and we'd love to be in your shoes.  We're plenty comfortable, and we're doing some big things. 

I won't tell you that the MAC is awesome.  I will tell you it is the best place for OUr programs, and 7 MAC teams played (poorly, I'll add - except Ohio) in bowl games this year.  Not too shabby for the lil' ol conference that you never came close to winning.


As usual, I must agree with Ozcat.


Same here.  I don't think we're excited about the lack of respect the MAC gets, but the conference was the best of the non-AQs this season, and could continue its run for some time.  I like being in a conference where rivalries spur fan interest, and that's what the MAC is all about.  We're developing our programs, and the rivalries are a big part.  The Big Least was once a formidable conference with some well-respected programs (WVU, Pitt, Syracuse).  Now, however, it's loaded with schools that (to use a line from "Holiday Inn") went in search of greener pastures and found spinach.  Instead of being an AQ, they'll be part of the same group as the MAC.  And any rivalries in the conference were either already there from the schools' participation in other conferences or could have developed based on regionality (I know that's not a word) anyway.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:01 PM

After giving this some serious consideration, if the following scenario ever occurred, it would be hard in my opinion to pass up.  I also realize that the chances of this occurring are about the same as the proverbial snowball in Hades, but here goes anyway.

If a new conference were to form in all sports with the following teams joining, I think we would be hard-pressed to pass.  If UConn, UC, Temple, Memphis, Marshall, UMass, Villanova (everything but football unless they ungrade), ECU and a select group of MAC teams came together, that IMHO would be hard for us  to walk away.  Is it top flight in football, probably not, but a lot better than the MAC.  In basketball that would have the potential to be a good conference. 

However, I know it will never occur but it is fun to dream.

GO BOBCATS!

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Posted: 1/9/2013 8:47 PM
After SDSU leaves later this month, looks like the BE will try to take UMASS off of our hands.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8825986/moun...
Last Edited: 1/9/2013 10:27:49 PM by ts1227
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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:56 PM
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After SJSU leaves later this month, looks like the BE will try to take UMASS off of our hands.


I think it was pretty much a given when they entered the MAC that UMass would eventually join whatever "Group of 5" conference UConn would happen to be in or would be courted by the ever-increasingly desperate remnants of the Big Least if UConn goes to something like the ACC.  The MAC might increase their chances of keeping them by persuading Army to join the conference.  I don't think Army and Navy want to be in the same conference because of the "specialness" of their annual game; they were able to play it the week after all the conference championships this season so it would be the last regular season game of the year.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:03 PM
I'm hearing rumblings that UMASS is regretting moving up to FBS football. 
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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:55 PM
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I'm hearing rumblings that UMASS is regretting moving up to FBS football. 


Go to UMasshoops.com and check out the threads.  There has been some poor coverage of the move by the Globe, but it sounds like their chancellor is now providing some public support for their long term participation in FBS.  And ultimately I think most of their posters feel very much the same that you do about their program being better than the MAC, and hoping they get an invite to move on to whatever conference Temps ends up in for football.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 2:25 PM
CBSSports.com is reporting that SDSU will NOT be going to the Big East and will instead be going to the Mountain West. Huge surprise there, huh, sportsfans!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:22 PM
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I'm hearing rumblings that UMASS is regretting moving up to FBS football. 


They should be playing their games on Campus in Amherst, not in Foxboro.  Amherst is in the Berkshire mountains, and would be a great fall destination. Foxboro, is probably and hour and half away from campus at least.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:17 PM
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They should be playing their games on Campus in Amherst, not in Foxboro.  Amherst is in the Berkshire mountains, and would be a great fall destination. Foxboro, is probably and hour and half away from campus at least.


I agree completely about playing in Amherst.  There is no charm to playing in front of 12,000 in an NFL stadium, as was the case both at the Link as well as at the Razor this fall, aside from the obvious creature comforts of an NFL stadium.  And playing in an NFL venue certainly boosts the program's ability to recruit, and UMASS is playing in the Razor for essentially nothing thanks to the kindness of Robert Kraft an his desire to boost foot traffic at his adjacent mall.

We had 250 OHIOans at the Bobcat Bash last season, and I venture to guess that we would not have drawn quite as well were we playing in a 17,000 seat venue two hours outside of Boston.  But living in Boston, I would much prefer the experience of attending a game ON CAMPUS, and in a town that mirrors Athens in many ways.  We had a very high number of out of market attendees for that game, and would venture to guess proximity to Boston/playing at the Razor had a lot to do with that.  In theory, the move to play at Gillette seemed genius, as I believe that an insanely high number of UMASS living alumni live within an hour of Boston. (something like 80%)  And few of those people went to Amherst to support football.

UMASS will garner more support for the move to FBS from Faculty and Staff, not to mention students, if games were on campus instead of two hours from campus, where the game day experience is readily accessible to those above, and the long time local supporters.  UMASS did a great job of busing students to the games, but the only significant support they received for the trips was their game against Indiana.  And on a sympathetic note, many of the UMASS chronics have lamented on their message board that at on campus games, students would show up to pre-game tailgate, but often would not even enter the game to watch the first half! (we thought we had it bad with students leaving after half time)

Many of their posters are very Temple-esque, lamenting for the next move up before they have beaten a winning team in the MAC, and with their rationale really being tied to wanting to be in a stronger hoops conference regardless of whether or not their football team has accomplished anything.

Ultimately, I think UMASS needs to do a better job of marketing the success of the MAC and the challenge of winning in the MAC to their fan base in order to garner more support from their alumni.  Until they do that, I think attendance will struggle regardless of where the games are played.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 12:30 PM
Well, Kraft's plan worked on us, as we did spend some money on food and snacks at his little shopping plaza by Gillette.

Playing all their games on campus is pretty much impossible for a while, as their deal with Gillette requires 4 home games there from 2014-2016 (and the improvements being made to McGuirk will take a couple years).  It would be nice for them to at least be able to bring a homecoming game to campus in the medium-term.
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