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The Optimist
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:00 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
The BE still has a BCS bid next year so these teams have some time. Either UC will go to the ACC or look to form a league with BE/CUSA schools. The MAC has nothing to offer them. If I were Ohio, I would at least be thinking about how I could fit into it a conference that will emerge with Marshall/Temple/UMass/Memphis/East Carolina/Toledo (and UC/UConn if they truly don't find homes). 

So like this? (dreaming)

East
Temple
UConn
UMass
Buffalo
Villanova
ECU
 
West
Cincinnati
Memphis
Marshall
Ohio
Toledo
Akron

I agree with OCF.  I think McDavis is a plus for our chances in this.  He has stated he likes the MAC, but if he sees an opportunity to benefit OHIO, he will jump on it.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:02 PM
I agree with this as well but would veto any move or new conference amalgamation that doesn't include Miami.


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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:20 PM
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:34 PM
Per one of my previous posts, the institutions named in the article feel they are in the 70-80 schools the BCS guys will allow to play in the sandbox.  It is also obvious that based on the lack of mention or plans, the MAC, Sunbelt, CUSA an the others NEVER mentioned in the 70-80 are the ones (40-50)  that will really be on the outside looking in.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:53 PM
Don't worry we're not coming back...  Even if the new Big East conference only gets $60 million.. .That's still 4 million per  year per school... Don't think the MAC is very attractive.

The only thing that will be hurt by the basketball schools leaving.. will be the basketball schools.

It's for the best.. they have a completely different philosophy.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:43 PM
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Don't worry we're not coming back...  Even if the new Big East conference only gets $60 million.. .That's still 4 million per  year per school... Don't think the MAC is very attractive.

The only thing that will be hurt by the basketball schools leaving.. will be the basketball schools.

It's for the best.. they have a completely different philosophy.


I hate to break it to you but...you're not getting $60 million...UNLESS QE3s inflation kicks in with a vengence before the contract details are finalized.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:52 PM
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I agree with this as well but would veto any move or new conference amalgamation that doesn't include Miami.


Miami either doesn't have the ability or desire to compete financially right now. We may want to consider leaving them.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:11 PM
What BE?  The conference won't exist to pay that money.  You're in denial, man. :-)
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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:35 PM
Hide and watch.... Those 7 schools are Georgtown, maybe Marquette and nothing... Nova is on a downward spiral and Providence, Seton Hall and DePaul are glorified A10 schools. 

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-12-14/cincinnati-uconn-acc-big-east-leaving-conference-realignment-connecticut

Don't worry.. no one will come break up the MAC.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 4:18 PM
TVGuy:  Do you really think Temple is one of those 70-80 football schools that will be allowed to play with the Big Boys?

If I was you guys, I'd be looking for a place to play basketball 'cause you will not be invited to the Big Time Football party.

And, i do agree, neither will any team from the MAC.

That's just the reality of the pecking order.  We are both on the outs.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 6:45 PM
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Nova is on a downward spiral.


Riiiiight.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 8:43 AM
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I agree with this as well but would veto any move or new conference amalgamation that doesn't include Miami.


Miami either doesn't have the ability or desire to compete financially right now. We may want to consider leaving them.


+1. We can't worry about dragging little brother along with us. They'll only bring us down and make our already slim chance of landing a new conference even slimmer.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:09 PM
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TVGuy:  Do you really think Temple is one of those 70-80 football schools that will be allowed to play with the Big Boys?

If I was you guys, I'd be looking for a place to play basketball 'cause you will not be invited to the Big Time Football party.

And, i do agree, neither will any team from the MAC.

That's just the reality of the pecking order.  We are both on the outs.



Yes.. I do..
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:10 PM
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Nova is on a downward spiral.


Riiiiight.


You don't watch Villanova basketball do you?  18 point loss to Columbia at home?  Destroyed by Temple.. at home.. .struggled with Delaware....at home?

These are bad times for Nova hoops
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Posted: 12/17/2012 1:01 AM
TUVideo...then why haven't you been invited yet?  I'll tell you why, like Cincinnati (where I live) your number has not been called by the Big Boys and further it is likely NOT to ever come up because it is greater than 70.  If they go to 80 you might make it just don't hold your breath.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 1:10 AM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
Nova is on a downward spiral.


Riiiiight.


You don't watch Villanova basketball do you?  18 point loss to Columbia at home?  Destroyed by Temple.. at home.. .struggled with Delaware....at home?

These are bad times for Nova hoops


Small sample size, bro.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:46 AM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
TVGuy:  Do you really think Temple is one of those 70-80 football schools that will be allowed to play with the Big Boys?

If I was you guys, I'd be looking for a place to play basketball 'cause you will not be invited to the Big Time Football party.

And, i do agree, neither will any team from the MAC.

That's just the reality of the pecking order.  We are both on the outs.



Yes.. I do..


Why?  We are sprinting towards 5 major conferences of 16 teams each.  To be part of the party, a school needs to be able to deliver on a number of fronts: be (somewhat) relevant geographically, bring a relevant TV market, bring academics, strong endowment (financials), be a relevant athletic program.  There are only two conferences that would consider Temple due to general geographic location - Big 10 and ACC - e.g., SEC or Big 12 have no interest in adding Philly market by adding Temple.  

Big 10 stands at 14 teams.  Temple brings nothing to the party that PSU doesn't already provide regarding the Philly market  (TV sets tuned in).  So that leaves the ACC - They are at 15 teams (with ND in everything but football) - 14 in football.  Could consider Temple, but the academics raise an issue. UConn is very attractive.  Cincy provides a new market.  Also of new, heightened interest, is Navy -- they immediately bring back the MD/DC market.  My money is on UConn as a whole member and Navy as a football only member (combining with their good friend ND) to fill the 16 slots.  So, in your mind, where does Temple fit in so nicely?
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:09 PM
The ACC isn't going to make any moves until their raided.. and when they are.. it won't be for just two teams.

Temple offers a top media market the ACC doesn't hit. New England is already covered by BC and frankly Cincy just isn't a fit.  But I'm not concerned about the ACC.. I'm looking forward to the conference Temple is already in growing and adding Western all sports schools. 

Again.. a 70 million dollar TV contract would earn Temple $5 million dollars per year.  How much does the MAC pay?  $750k?   This conference would keep the bowls the Big East already has which are better than the MAC.

EAST
UConn (AP votes in Basketball)
Cincy (Ranked in Basketball)
Temple
USF
UCF
ECU
Memphis

WEST
Boise St
San Diego St. (Ranked in Basketball)
Houston
SMU
Tulane
UNLV (Ranked in Basketball)
New Mexico (Ranked in Basketball)

Is it better than the ACC?  No.. but we still have a better shot of getting a BCS bowl game than the MAC, Sun Belt, CUSA or MWC.  And.. Temple is in this conference already...   I'm not concerned at all.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:13 PM
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Nova is on a downward spiral.


Riiiiight.


You don't watch Villanova basketball do you?  18 point loss to Columbia at home?  Destroyed by Temple.. at home.. .struggled with Delaware....at home?

These are bad times for Nova hoops


Small sample size, bro.


Small sample size?  13-19 last year....bad start this year....
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:18 PM
EAST
UConn (AP votes in Basketball) -- Gone soon
Cincy (Ranked in Basketball) -- Gone soon
Temple
USF
UCF
ECU -- 
Memphis

WEST
Boise St -- Having second thoughts, may never actually play a BE game
San Diego St. (Ranked in Basketball) -- Also having second thoughts
Houston
SMU
Tulane
UNLV (Ranked in Basketball) -- Will leave if Boise and SDSU do
New Mexico (Ranked in Basketball) -- Will leave if Boise and SDSU do

This is NOT a stable conference.  It's more likely to fold than to stay in business the way our friend from Temple believes is likely.  I like TUVideo, he's contribute lots of good posts to this board over the years, but I think he's living in a fantasy land right now on this question.  Hey, I should know, I've lived in fantasy land as regards my Bobcats on many occasions.  I guess it might take a delusional fan to spot that tendency in others.  
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:39 PM
Wait, were UNLV and New Mexico really announced as new/future BIG-E/W/? members, or is this a projected future conference lineup?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:06 AM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Wait, were UNLV and New Mexico really announced as new/future BIG-E/W/? members, or is this a projected future conference lineup?


According to recent remarks by the UNM AD (sorry, don't have a link), New Mexico remains committed to the MWC, but is monitoring the situation.
Last Edited: 12/18/2012 11:06:42 AM by Jeff Johnson
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:00 PM
The MWC, like the MAC, Sun Belt and other Little Guys is pretty much irrelevant in the discusions of the Big Guys.  In other words, they are not in the 5 major conference/70-80 team scenario. 

Just to add...I see that TVideo Guy has the Big East/West already develooped.  After Boise is snatched up you look at that list and you can see why the Big Guys will probably go with 70 not 80 schools and only 5 conferences.    None of those schools are really relevant in football and that is the sport wagging the tail right now.  It would sorta be like the MAC and Sun Belt combining into a North/South Conferences.  More schools just NO Big Guys in the lot.

Once again and to repeat, Temple, you (like another 50 or so schools) are on the outs when it comes to big Time football!  Sorry...
Last Edited: 12/18/2012 12:09:16 PM by Casper71
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:02 PM
If Cincy, UCONN, Boise and SD State all back out.. then there's a problem but until that happens  all are on board and committed to the conference so we move ahead with that.

The MWC's tv deal is terrible. In fact their own regional network "Mountain" folded.

The basketball schools leaving is actually a blessing. It allows the football/all sports schools to finally move ahead with this thing with everyone on the same page.

NBC/Comcast is the elephant in the room.. they NEED content and a national confernece will give them that.

I"m not posting here that I think Temple will go to the ACC.. The ACC is just as unstable.  I'm just stating that the conference (Big East or whatever it is called) is still alive and looking to grow and I'm happy Temple is part of it.
Last Edited: 12/18/2012 12:10:03 PM by TUVideo Guy
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:31 PM
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The ACC is just as unstable.  I'm just stating that the conference (Big East or whatever it is called) is still alive and looking to grow and I'm happy Temple is part of it.


This has to be about the dumbest thing I have read on here. The ACC will be around for years...yes, a few members may move, but it is much more stable than the "Big East or whatever it is called"

The simple fact you don't know what to call the conference should be a clue regarding it's stability. 
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