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Mark Lembright '85
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Posted: 12/5/2012 5:56 PM
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Too bad that we're losing so many good coaches to the next level; the MAC will be good next year too and they skip town for greener pastures.  Could have been a year that was even more special than this one.  Have to see how everything plays out.


That's "life in the MAC".  Good coaches basically use the MAC as a stepping stone to greener pastures.  I thought I read somewhere today that 21% or 26 coaches at the FBS level are current or former MAC head coaches.

I'm cynical enough to believe that the only reason Coach Solich is still at Ohio is solely because of his age; I think if he were 10 years younger he would have left several years ago.





Several years ago?  He was less than .500 here several years ago.  Still hasn't won a title.


I'm not sure winning a title is the be-all end-all.  Hazell hasn't won a title but parlayed a good 2 year run into a supposedly guaranteed $10 million contract from Purdue. 
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Posted: 12/5/2012 8:09 PM
It's just like the business world, it's often who you know, not what you know.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 9:11 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Too bad that we're losing so many good coaches to the next level; the MAC will be good next year too and they skip town for greener pastures.  Could have been a year that was even more special than this one.  Have to see how everything plays out.


That's "life in the MAC".  Good coaches basically use the MAC as a stepping stone to greener pastures.  I thought I read somewhere today that 21% or 26 coaches at the FBS level are current or former MAC head coaches.

I'm cynical enough to believe that the only reason Coach Solich is still at Ohio is solely because of his age; I think if he were 10 years younger he would have left several years ago.



Is this taking into account the fact he had already coached at a national power (Nebraska) or no?


No, it's only based on the way I've seen things shake out in the coaching profession over the last couple of years.  I'm not really persuaded by how much a coach professes his love for Ohio University and the Athens area (i.e. Coach Groce).  It just seems that the general rule (and obviously there are exceptions) is that coaches will always bolt for more money.  Not that that's wrong-I only find the timing unseemly.


Yeah, Groce really shown us how far loyalty in the form of words comes.  While I hated to see Groce go, I also realize that coaches are businessmen.  I would not hate a man for deciding to move up in his job field.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 9:56 PM
I'll be honest, I hate it. To me, college sports is (or at least should be) so much more than a business. You're talking about players laying their heart and soul on the line for THEIR school. Students and alumni rallying around them in hopes of that one great moment.

College sports is all about loyalty. Your school is YOUR school, win or lose. It's not like a professional team where you "pick" who you root for. College is part of your identity.

It used to be that coaches were a loyal bunch. In many ways, schools were identified by their coaches. Now, especially at our level (but even in the "big time"), coaches rarely last more than a few seasons. Win and move up, or lose and disappear into the night. It's a sad, sad way of doing business...if you ask me.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:21 PM
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I'll be honest, I hate it. To me, college sports is (or at least should be) so much more than a business. You're talking about players laying their heart and soul on the line for THEIR school. Students and alumni rallying around them in hopes of that one great moment.

College sports is all about loyalty. Your school is YOUR school, win or lose. It's not like a professional team where you "pick" who you root for. College is part of your identity.

It used to be that coaches were a loyal bunch. In many ways, schools were identified by their coaches. Now, especially at our level (but even in the "big time"), coaches rarely last more than a few seasons. Win and move up, or lose and disappear into the night. It's a sad, sad way of doing business...if you ask me.


Here I thought I was the only guy with these old school thoughts.  I do yearn for the days of coaches like Bill Hess and Jim Snyder who stayed true to their school and spurned offers of more cash at another place to stay and coach the Bobcats.  And there were others in that day and time that did likewise.  Now, it seems there are very, very few like that.  At the very least, there ought to be a way to prevent coaches from moving to a new job while their teams are still playing games.  In the name of all that's sacred in the academy (which ain't much anymore) wait till the darn season is over before you go after the greener gra$$ in the next valley.  
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:33 PM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
I'll be honest, I hate it. To me, college sports is (or at least should be) so much more than a business. You're talking about players laying their heart and soul on the line for THEIR school. Students and alumni rallying around them in hopes of that one great moment.

College sports is all about loyalty. Your school is YOUR school, win or lose. It's not like a professional team where you "pick" who you root for. College is part of your identity.

It used to be that coaches were a loyal bunch. In many ways, schools were identified by their coaches. Now, especially at our level (but even in the "big time"), coaches rarely last more than a few seasons. Win and move up, or lose and disappear into the night. It's a sad, sad way of doing business...if you ask me.


FYI,,,During the last decade or so, the average tenure of corporate CEOs has been growing increasingly shorter - chiefly due to increasing pressures to deliver ever stronger results by Boards and investors.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:37 PM
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I'll be honest, I hate it. To me, college sports is (or at least should be) so much more than a business. You're talking about players laying their heart and soul on the line for THEIR school. Students and alumni rallying around them in hopes of that one great moment.

College sports is all about loyalty. Your school is YOUR school, win or lose. It's not like a professional team where you "pick" who you root for. College is part of your identity.

It used to be that coaches were a loyal bunch. In many ways, schools were identified by their coaches. Now, especially at our level (but even in the "big time"), coaches rarely last more than a few seasons. Win and move up, or lose and disappear into the night. It's a sad, sad way of doing business...if you ask me.


Here I thought I was the only guy with these old school thoughts.  I do yearn for the days of coaches like Bill Hess and Jim Snyder who stayed true to their school and spurned offers of more cash at another place to stay and coach the Bobcats.  And there were others in that day and time that did likewise.  Now, it seems there are very, very few like that.  At the very least, there ought to be a way to prevent coaches from moving to a new job while their teams are still playing games.  In the name of all that's sacred in the academy (which ain't much anymore) wait till the darn season is over before you go after the greener gra$$ in the next valley.  


Chief reason for newly recruited coaches to move on immediately: recruiting.  If such coaches waited until after their bowl games, given the mandated "quiet period" during the holidays, they would have only 4-5 weeks to recruit before National Signing Day.  I'm not applauding coaches who move on immediately, but I understand why they they do it - no doubt encouraged to do so by their hiring schools.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:53 PM
The NCAA could restructure the recruiting period and then put in a regulation that would puniish coaches for abandoning a team before its season was over.  I know that this might be challenged legally as some sort of indentured servitude, but I think the NCAA could win those legal battles.  At least they ought to try. 
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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:47 AM
I have no problems with coaches bolting for the bigger jobs, just wish it waited until after the bowl game. Never see someone take off to a new job between the conference tournament and the tournament in basketball.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:17 AM
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I have no problems with coaches bolting for the bigger jobs, just wish it waited until after the bowl game. Never see someone take off to a new job between the conference tournament and the tournament in basketball.


Michigan coach back in the day.  AD Bo Schembechler fired Bill Frieder for taking the job at Arizona (?) right before the tournament.  Bo, elevated assistant Steve Fischer to the post and they won a National Title.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:08 AM
Wow, Charlie Strong turns down Tennessee's offer (Wowed not because of Strong staying at Louisville, but because this is the second straight coaching search where Tennessee struggles to find a coach). If Larry Fedora declines, I think I'll send my resume to Tennessee.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:04 PM
Are NCAA-mandated coaching salary caps an option?
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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:08 PM
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Wow, Charlie Strong turns down Tennessee's offer (Wowed not because of Strong staying at Louisville, but because this is the second straight coaching search where Tennessee struggles to find a coach). If Larry Fedora declines, I think I'll send my resume to Tennessee.
Could Tenn be looking to purchase some ORANGE Sweater Vests????
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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:54 PM
Rowdy Rufus wrote:expand_more
Wow, Charlie Strong turns down Tennessee's offer (Wowed not because of Strong staying at Louisville, but because this is the second straight coaching search where Tennessee struggles to find a coach). If Larry Fedora declines, I think I'll send my resume to Tennessee.
Could Tenn be looking to purchase some ORANGE Sweater Vests????


Monte Kiffin's available.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 1:06 PM
I'd take Tressel.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 1:13 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Too bad that we're losing so many good coaches to the next level; the MAC will be good next year too and they skip town for greener pastures.  Could have been a year that was even more special than this one.  Have to see how everything plays out.


That's "life in the MAC".  Good coaches basically use the MAC as a stepping stone to greener pastures.  I thought I read somewhere today that 21% or 26 coaches at the FBS level are current or former MAC head coaches.


Yes, and there are many more coaches that come to the MAC with that intent, only for the "peter principle" to squash their career aspirations.  Look how many we have had at Ohio since Brian Burke came to town. 
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Posted: 12/6/2012 1:54 PM
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Are NCAA-mandated coaching salary caps an option?


Nope.

(1) Probably wouldn't get enough schools to vote for it
(2) Wouldn't stand up to anti-trust challenge. A similar scheme, the "restricted earnings coach" in basketball, resulted in the NCAA getting bent over a barrel http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-400_162-38197.html 
(3) Even without the prior court action on assisstant coach salaries, current coaches, or their agents, would sue and win on anti-trust grounds.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:05 PM
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I'll be honest, I hate it. To me, college sports is (or at least should be) so much more than a business. You're talking about players laying their heart and soul on the line for THEIR school. Students and alumni rallying around them in hopes of that one great moment.

College sports is all about loyalty. Your school is YOUR school, win or lose. It's not like a professional team where you "pick" who you root for. College is part of your identity.

It used to be that coaches were a loyal bunch. In many ways, schools were identified by their coaches. Now, especially at our level (but even in the "big time"), coaches rarely last more than a few seasons. Win and move up, or lose and disappear into the night. It's a sad, sad way of doing business...if you ask me.


Here I thought I was the only guy with these old school thoughts.  I do yearn for the days of coaches like Bill Hess and Jim Snyder who stayed true to their school and spurned offers of more cash at another place to stay and coach the Bobcats.  And there were others in that day and time that did likewise.  Now, it seems there are very, very few like that.  At the very least, there ought to be a way to prevent coaches from moving to a new job while their teams are still playing games.  In the name of all that's sacred in the academy (which ain't much anymore) wait till the darn season is over before you go after the greener gra$$ in the next valley.  
 The problem is that money has so corrupted college sports that the old rules about loyalty no longer apply.  Salaries have so outstripped any sense of reason in this regard. Anyway, the old days are long gone and pining about what used to be won't change it. All the recent conference insanity may be the final straw. The only thing left is a break off of the top 60 +/- schools forming their own semi-pro or pro league.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:43 PM
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I'll be honest, I hate it. To me, college sports is (or at least should be) so much more than a business. You're talking about players laying their heart and soul on the line for THEIR school. Students and alumni rallying around them in hopes of that one great moment.

College sports is all about loyalty. Your school is YOUR school, win or lose. It's not like a professional team where you "pick" who you root for. College is part of your identity.

It used to be that coaches were a loyal bunch. In many ways, schools were identified by their coaches. Now, especially at our level (but even in the "big time"), coaches rarely last more than a few seasons. Win and move up, or lose and disappear into the night. It's a sad, sad way of doing business...if you ask me.


Here I thought I was the only guy with these old school thoughts.  I do yearn for the days of coaches like Bill Hess and Jim Snyder who stayed true to their school and spurned offers of more cash at another place to stay and coach the Bobcats.  And there were others in that day and time that did likewise.  Now, it seems there are very, very few like that.  At the very least, there ought to be a way to prevent coaches from moving to a new job while their teams are still playing games.  In the name of all that's sacred in the academy (which ain't much anymore) wait till the darn season is over before you go after the greener gra$$ in the next valley.  
 The problem is that money has so corrupted college sports that the old rules about loyalty no longer apply.  Salaries have so outstripped any sense of reason in this regard. Anyway, the old days are long gone and pining about what used to be won't change it. All the recent conference insanity may be the final straw. The only thing left is a break off of the top 60 +/- schools forming their own semi-pro or pro league.


That loss of loyalty is a two way street: schools commonly fire coaches midseason and do not allow them to finish out the year, or a situation like FIU/Cristobal, being fired off a down year after two pretty good seasons. Not to sound crass, but if you're a coach, and you know you're one bad season from being fired, you've got to at least think long and hard if someone calls up and offers you big $$. I'm not talking about the difference between $2.3 million/year at Louisville and $4+ million/year at tennessee, I'm talking about the difference between a couple hundred thousand dollars/year and millions of dollars/year (Cristobal)
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:59 PM
To add insult to injury, apparently Sonny Dykes' buyout would have been $800K if  La Tech was scheduled for a Bowl. Instead it was $500K. So the La Tech AD gets kicked in the shorts again. 
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:47 PM
Is Mack Brown history at Texas?  He has the "full support" of UT's prez.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:24 PM
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I'd take Tressel.








That you would speaks volumes.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:07 AM
Another new horse on the carousel.........

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/8723192/tenness...
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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:35 AM
Should I go ahead and pencil in Dan Enos to Cincinnati or no? 
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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:04 AM
Feel free to speak any volume you choose, Slavin.
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