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Posted: 1/27/2013 3:28 AM
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First Question, why was Ping built without a pool in the damn building?  I know we have the Aquatic Center next to bird, but it's a piece of crap for only being 30 years old. 


Alternate opinion: Like New Baker, Ping was a semi-disaster from the start.


Baker was a disaster? It has won multiple awards for design and has influenced students to come to the school. How on earth is it a semi-disaster? I almost want to smack you through my computer. 


You want to smack me through the computer? What, did you build the thing. Settle down. The problem with Baker (and Ping) was they did a poor job anticipating capacity needs in the future. In some respects, they had outgrown new Baker before it even opened. I imagine they made additions since, but that's really really bad.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:09 AM
Ah, if only every building was as perfect as it would be with ts1227 and jsf in charge.  Alas.....


Last Edited: 1/27/2013 10:10:11 AM by Ohio69
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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:20 PM
I agree on the fact Ping needs to be expanded. I don't know if there are students on this board too, but basketball is extremely popular at Ping and all five courts destined for basketball use are used beyond capacity. Also, the free weights room is small. I would approve of making a larger free weight room, and adding two or three more basketball courts. 
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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:59 PM
I'm sure that no thought was given to future capacity and that money was left unused on the table.

We should have waited to build until everything was perfect. 

The minute that we lost at UMAss and Oklahoma I knew that we shouldn't have played them.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 4:21 PM
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First Question, why was Ping built without a pool in the damn building? I know we have the Aquatic Center next to bird, but it's a piece of crap for only being 30 years old.


Alternate opinion: Like New Baker, Ping was a semi-disaster from the start.


Baker was a disaster? It has won multiple awards for design and has influenced students to come to the school. How on earth is it a semi-disaster? I almost want to smack you through my computer.


The first few years were still a lot more "trial and error" than they should have been in way too many aspects, just an overall lack of planning IMO. Of course, most of that is Dining related because Rich Neumann is incompetent, but I digress. Swank is right regarding architectural awards, what new building doesn't win one from some organization? Just a marketing thing.

The ongoing complaint (and it came up in my one year on Senate w/ Kent Smith) is that while it is a magnificent building, it is still VERY sterile looking on the inside for a student center. You'd have no freaking clue you were at OU if someone blindfolded you and placed you in the building (they addressed that some on the first floor across from the cafeteria thankfully).

Don't get me wrong, I and most everyone LOVES the building, but let's not act like it was perfect in all facets from the get go.
Agreed when Baker opened there was nothing in there that identified you were on the campus of Ohio University.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 4:40 PM
To continue the threadjack, to call Baker and Ping disasters is a bit overdone. I mean, if you want to see a disaster, watch "Moonshiners".

From what I can learn from Google searches, the new buildings increased space by a significant percentage. The concept that space was used up as soon as they opened is a testament to how undersized the predecessors were as well as Parkinson's Law (work expands to fill the time available).

Grover Center was around 100,000 square feet (before the classroom remodel and increased footprint took it to 180,000). Ping Center bills itself as one of the largest buildings of its kind at 168,000 s.f.

Old Baker Center allegedly had 9,000 square feet, it's a number so small that I refuse to believe it. But the building's remodeling and purposing of space to the sole purpose of Schoonover Center will finish out at 118,000. New Baker Center says it is 183,000.

Hindsight is crystal clear. Library could have been 8 stories. Arena roof should hold a scoreboard. Burger King shouldn't be empty. The beat goes on.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:34 PM
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Ah, if only every building was as perfect as it would be with ts1227 and jsf in charge.  Alas.....




Ah, come on 69, when they opened Baker it wasn't but a few months later that they had to bring in refrigeration trucks because they didn't have enough freezer/refrigerator space built into the original plans.  Maybe if the university engaged those who would be living in the buildings in the planning process more often these issues wouldn't come up.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:37 PM
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Ah, if only every building was as perfect as it would be with ts1227 and jsf in charge. Alas.....


Ah, come on 69, when they opened Baker it wasn't but a few months later that they had to bring in refrigeration trucks because they didn't have enough freezer/refrigerator space built into the original plans. Maybe if the university engaged those who would be living in the buildings in the planning process more often these issues wouldn't come up.
Quite a few things needed ironing out at the beginning. My favorite was the floor murals being wrong.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:44 PM
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First Question, why was Ping built without a pool in the damn building?  I know we have the Aquatic Center next to bird, but it's a piece of crap for only being 30 years old. 


Alternate opinion: Like New Baker, Ping was a semi-disaster from the start.


Baker was a disaster? It has won multiple awards for design and has influenced students to come to the school. How on earth is it a semi-disaster? I almost want to smack you through my computer. 


You want to smack me through the computer? What, did you build the thing. Settle down. The problem with Baker (and Ping) was they did a poor job anticipating capacity needs in the future. In some respects, they had outgrown new Baker before it even opened. I imagine they made additions since, but that's really really bad.


George Bernard Shaw's quote, You see things; and you say ‘Why?’ But I dream things that never were; and I say ‘Why not?"  That is New Baker.

There are buildings all over the country that were designed perfectly and years later are still the rave.  The New Baker isn't what it could have been.  Too often architechts are hired that have done lots of business so a selection board says they must be good because everyone else is hiring them.  Lots of the professionals get the early jobs by greasing the palms of officials making the decisions.  I don't know who designed it but for the same dough it could have been much more welcoming and functional. 

Walking in the front door the room to the right is a waiste.  The banquet rooms are sterile.  The offices lack character.  The small theater is awesome.  The biggest mistake on the main floor is the Frontier room equivalent.  That deli/coffee counter jams up the flow of traffic into what should have been a room three or four times its size.  The most  inviting space to sit with friends, eat, drink and listen to the improve on the small stage.  It could have been so much more.  

The best part of old Baker was the older ladies working behind the counter.  Several of the students who man the crappy and shoe horned into a space little information counter could use some customer service training and act more like the students who conduct the campus tours.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:09 PM
This post could go on any area on this board - football, basketball, volleyball, etc.  What cracks me up in a very good way is that we're all complaining about architecture, ticket prices, student participation, old folks participation, etc. and none of it has to do with the sport at hand.  That my friends is the sign of a sports program that is taking care of business and winning games.  What a great time to be a Bobcat.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:47 PM
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This post could go on any area on this board - football, basketball, volleyball, etc.  What cracks me up in a very good way is that we're all complaining about architecture, ticket prices, student participation, old folks participation, etc. and none of it has to do with the sport at hand.  That my friends is the sign of a sports program that is taking care of business and winning games.  What a great time to be a Bobcat.


Yeah, it's almost like were arguing about having a Mercedes-Benz and not having a Mclaren. Would it be cool to expand everything and make everything top notch. Hell yeah. But lets be happy with what we have then what we could have had.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:59 PM
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Ah, if only every building was as perfect as it would be with ts1227 and jsf in charge. Alas.....


Ah, come on 69, when they opened Baker it wasn't but a few months later that they had to bring in refrigeration trucks because they didn't have enough freezer/refrigerator space built into the original plans. Maybe if the university engaged those who would be living in the buildings in the planning process more often these issues wouldn't come up.


Quite a few things needed ironing out at the beginning. My favorite was the floor murals being wrong.


When the original Madison Square Garden was completed, it was greeted by a chorus of "Oops."  Reason: architect had omitted ticket windows.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:51 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This post could go on any area on this board - football, basketball, volleyball, etc.  What cracks me up in a very good way is that we're all complaining about architecture, ticket prices, student participation, old folks participation, etc. and none of it has to do with the sport at hand.  That my friends is the sign of a sports program that is taking care of business and winning games.  What a great time to be a Bobcat.


A very adept observation. The more we win, the more we have to find other things to complain about!
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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:32 AM
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Ah, if only every building was as perfect as it would be with ts1227 and jsf in charge. Alas.....


Ah, come on 69, when they opened Baker it wasn't but a few months later that they had to bring in refrigeration trucks because they didn't have enough freezer/refrigerator space built into the original plans. Maybe if the university engaged those who would be living in the buildings in the planning process more often these issues wouldn't come up.


No building is perfect.  The complaining about the IPF will be non-stop.  I'm bummed to read its delayed until April.   I hope student senate finds something fun to do with the cash now available.



Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This post could go on any area on this board - football, basketball, volleyball, etc.  What cracks me up in a very good way is that we're all complaining about architecture, ticket prices, student participation, old folks participation, etc. and none of it has to do with the sport at hand.  That my friends is the sign of a sports program that is taking care of business and winning games.  What a great time to be a Bobcat.


Agreed.  
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:09 PM
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To continue the threadjack, to call Baker and Ping disasters is a bit overdone. I mean, if you want to see a disaster, watch "Moonshiners".


Ah come on - You're a "Tickle" fan.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:18 PM
Regarding Ping not having enough space, I'll agree that in my time in Athens I would have liked a few extra courts and a bigger weight room. But if you really want to see inadequate, check out what they have at the University of Delaware. In two years of grad school I played in one, yes one, pickup game because the line to get into a game was unbearable. They are currently expanding their facility, but that thing reaaallllllly made me appreciate Ping. The same can be said for their two student centers. Lackluster compared to Baker.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:32 PM
You should have seen the Grover weight room!
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:40 PM
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You should have seen the Grover weight room!


Amen. Or the single Universal machine on the mezzanine level.  Of course, lifting weights was "bad" for anyone who played a team sport then.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:20 PM
It could be worse!! WE COULD BE AKRON!
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:34 PM
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Regarding Ping not having enough space, I'll agree that in my time in Athens I would have liked a few extra courts and a bigger weight room. But if you really want to see inadequate, check out what they have at the University of Delaware. In two years of grad school I played in one, yes one, pickup game because the line to get into a game was unbearable. They are currently expanding their facility, but that thing reaaallllllly made me appreciate Ping. The same can be said for their two student centers. Lackluster compared to Baker.


Borna will tell you that no one every waits in line if they are a player.  In the old Grover days if you had next, you always held a spot for the best guy from the losing team.  Players were always on the court.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:26 PM
My reaction to the new Baker is something like Twain's reaction to The Breakers and Marble House.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:17 AM
So at the Spring Game we should see dirt moved and some progress?
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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:01 PM
ohio69 makes the excellant point  that no building is perfect. Although I would normally agree I do believe if you look at the Kenyon Athletic Center that is as close to perfect as you can get. Hopefully our new digs will be half as nice as the Crystal Palace in Gambier. Amazing what having Paul Newman for a grad will do for your fund raising.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:13 PM
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The new Baker is far superior to the old Baker!  I saw more people in the new Baker the first time I visited than I saw "total" in four years of my time at Ohio University.  The old Baker was never an attraction of any kind as I remember it.


At Ohio University for only 4 years?  Over achiever!!!!
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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:18 PM
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The new Baker is far superior to the old Baker!  I saw more people in the new Baker the first time I visited than I saw "total" in four years of my time at Ohio University.  The old Baker was never an attraction of any kind as I remember it.


At Ohio University for only 4 years?  Over achiever!!!!


Four years should be an expectation, not an exception - at least it used to be.  Anything less was considered under achieving or "finding one's way."  
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