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Posted: 9/16/2013 2:28 PM
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Yeah, Eagle66, you beat me to the punch.  I was going to post the same response.  Pretty funny, huh?


It is Jeff.  But you know what they say, great minds think alike... and so do ours.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:24 PM
Landon's column has made its appearance on Herd nation and the masses are lapping it up as if its their last meal. Clueless! The one thing he said that I do agree with is that Ohio University is not on par with Marshall. He is correct! Ohio University is a couple notches higher.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 5:04 PM
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Landon's column has made its appearance on Herd nation and the masses are lapping it up as if its their last meal. Clueless! The one thing he said that I do agree with is that Ohio University is not on par with Marshall. He is correct! Ohio University is a couple notches higher.

That's the saddest commentary I've ever heard regarding any school's fanbase. If Ohio lost to someone, and an Ohio journalist wrote something like that, I'd be ashamed for him. He takes poor sportsmanship to a whole new level. Contrast Herdistan to Penn State last year - their fans weren't happy to lose to Ohio, but gave Ohio it's due.
Last Edited: 9/16/2013 5:59:59 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 6:38 PM
He's actually almost entirely wrong about resources anyway.  Yes, they have a bigger football stadium but the Convo tops the Henderson Center by about the same amount.....  I found a thread on FBS athetic budgets.  Its on a Troy message board so I can't guarantee its right but...

01.)
University of Tulsa  $31,128,157
02.) Rice University  $30,256,637
03.) Florida International University  $27,428,277
04.) University of Alabama at Birmingham  $27,393,470
05.) Marshall University  $26,407,396
06.) The University of Texas at El Paso  $23,557,446
07.) Middle Tennessee State University  $23,155,761
08.) Florida Atlantic University  $21,742,054
09.) University of North Texas  $20,402,052
10.) University of Southern Mississippi  $19,770,938
11.) Louisiana Tech University  $17,047,077
  Average $24,389,933
     
01.) Ohio University  $28,669,498
02.) Miami University  $27,896,513
03.) University of Massachusetts  $27,308,899
04.) Central Michigan University  $25,738,891
05.) University of Akron  $25,530,582
06.) Western Michigan University  $24,782,334
07.) Kent State University  $23,841,395
08.) Eastern Michigan University  $23,093,749
09.) University of Toledo  $22,381,965
10.) Ball State University  $20,879,262
11.) Northern Illinois University  $20,465,019
12.) Bowling Green State University  $18,243,365
13.) University at Buffalo  $15,996,090
  Average $23,448,274


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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:24 PM
I tried to find the athletic budget number from last year for Ohio and Marshall, and they were Ohio 27,000,000+, Marshall 24,000,000 plus, so a whole 3 million lower for Marshall. That bigger stadium isn't very useful when they've never filled it either
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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:54 PM
cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
I tried to find the athletic budget number from last year for Ohio and Marshall, and they were Ohio 27,000,000+, Marshall 24,000,000 plus, so a whole 3 million lower for Marshall. That bigger stadium isn't very useful when they've never filled it either


According to the NCAA, they averaged 26,773 in their first two home games (Fiami, Gardner-Webb) this year, 70.31% capacity.  We averaged 24,674 in our first two home games (NT, Terd) this year, 102.81% capacity.  I know everybody fudges on the figures, but I assume that everybody fudges about the same.  Last year, we did 91.02% (with a couple midweek games) while they did 65.48%.  BTW, their highest attendance for a home game last year -- Ohio, by about 6,000 over the Tulsa game.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:50 PM
I did a simple google search and found a story regarding faculty at Marshall wanting the university to review the athletics budget at the university. According to a story this past May in the Herald Dispatch, Marshall's athletics budget is $24.8 million. This amount represents approximately 13% of the university's total budget.

I have not been able to find Ohio's most recent budget.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 11:03 AM
Let it go, Bobcats.  When you lie down with dogs,......
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Posted: 9/17/2013 12:56 PM
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Let it go, Bobcats.  When you lie down with dogs,......


Sometimes, people who make sweeping, factually incorrect statements need to be proven wrong.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:02 PM
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Let it go, Bobcats. When you lie down with dogs,......


Sometimes, people who make sweeping, factually incorrect statements need to be proven wrong.
I agree 100%! People that manipulate the truth need to be called out publicaly. The truth has no agenda.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:21 PM
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I tried to find the athletic budget number from last year for Ohio and Marshall, and they were Ohio 27,000,000+, Marshall 24,000,000 plus, so a whole 3 million lower for Marshall. That bigger stadium isn't very useful when they've never filled it either


And they probably spend at least $1 million more on travel expenses....so probably a larger disparity in what's available to teams.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:29 PM
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Landon's column has made its appearance on Herd nation and the masses are lapping it up as if its their last meal. Clueless! The one thing he said that I do agree with is that Ohio University is not on par with Marshall. He is correct! Ohio University is a couple notches higher.


Not one Marshall fan has disagreed with Landon. I thought I read that most Marshall fans don't buy into Landon's BS?
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:32 PM
Marshall touts their move to CUSA as producing a $1 million annual cash windfall for the department. I agree that travel cost alone drain most if not every penny of that amount. Does anyone know for sure that the MAC tv rights are being renegotiated? I read a story on Miami in the Cincy Equirer that stated ESPN was going to pay $1 million per school annually. That would be a nice influx of revenue without adding new expenses to the departments budget.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:47 PM
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Marshall touts their move to CUSA as producing a $1 million annual cash windfall for the department. I agree that travel cost alone drain most if not every penny of that amount. Does anyone know for sure that the MAC tv rights are being renegotiated? I read a story on Miami in the Cincy Equirer that stated ESPN was going to pay $1 million per school annually. That would be a nice influx of revenue without adding new expenses to the departments budget.
the problem is the other side of the equation , income has to be down when you play midweek games and I would guess even evening games. So it's not a simple positive. Then you get into value of games on TV.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:59 PM
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Marshall touts their move to CUSA as producing a $1 million annual cash windfall for the department. I agree that travel cost alone drain most if not every penny of that amount. Does anyone know for sure that the MAC tv rights are being renegotiated? I read a story on Miami in the Cincy Equirer that stated ESPN was going to pay $1 million per school annually. That would be a nice influx of revenue without adding new expenses to the departments budget.
the problem is the other side of the equation , income has to be down when you play midweek games and I would guess even evening games. So it's not a simple positive. Then you get into value of games on TV.
That's a valid point. But the fact is Ohio is already playing more weeknight games than most MAC schools. So the university is already taking that revenue hit. If Ohio had not already been playing those weeknight games then I would agree with you.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 9:35 PM
Three days later and he's still ranting about the "unacceptable loss to Ohio."  I'm glad Ohio isn't in a market that has such a total ass for a sports columnist.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 10:07 PM
He's an embarrassment. Any time you find a "journalist", using the term loosely, that thinks they know more than the coaches, you have to think about what it might be like if that "journalist" was actually coach and chuckle.

In any case, it's best to focus on the positive. Ohio doesn't get a lot of local press coverage, but the quality of what they do get is outstanding. Arkley is as good as any sportswriter around. He's thorough, competent, understands the game, and is respectful to foes. The same can be said of the Athens News coverage, when they have have it, or the Post, or WOUB.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 11:43 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
He's an embarrassment. Any time you find a "journalist", using the term loosely, that thinks they know more than the coaches, you have to think about what it might be like if that "journalist" was actually coach and chuckle.

In any case, it's best to focus on the positive. Ohio doesn't get a lot of local press coverage, but the quality of what they do get is outstanding. Arkley is as good as any sportswriter around. He's thorough, competent, understands the game, and is respectful to foes. The same can be said of the Athens News coverage, when they have have it, or the Post, or WOUB.


I agree that Arkley and the rest of the media in Athens are doing a good job.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 1:53 AM
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Three days later and he's still ranting about the "unacceptable loss to Ohio."  I'm glad Ohio isn't in a market that has such a total ass for a sports columnist.


Actually, we are now back  in the Huntington-Charleston Market, hence TWC has replaced at least one Columbus HD station with a W.Va. HD station.  At lot of people are angry about that; however, that's another story.

Let me translate Chuck's latest outburst for you. I feel I'm the most qualified person on this board to perform that feat.   If you read between the lines he's really saying that Ohio is much better coached than Marshall.  That's a point that I won't dispute.  If you note in the reader comments below his column at least two of the MU fans pick up on this "unacceptable loss" theme with assertions that MU has all this superior talent.  That's simply not true.  Marshall has some very good talent, but it's not any better than what Ohio has at this point.  That wasn't true back in the Knorr, PapaL and Old Freak Nasty years, but it is now.  We are getting pretty good talent and we are "coaching them up" as well.  I'm not sure about class rank in terms of the rating services, but any half-way knowledgeable fan knows that those ratings don't really mean all that much when it comes to actual on-the-field performance.  
Last Edited: 9/18/2013 2:11:30 AM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 9/18/2013 2:05 AM
This article by Chuck really isn't that bad, except the use of the word "unacceptable."  And most of the responses are reasonable.  
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Posted: 9/18/2013 11:45 AM
Today's complaint is that Terd schedules too many games against MAC teams that they can't beat (2-4 under Holliday, although three of the losses are to Ohio).   The reason so many MAC teams are on the schedule is to give fans a chance to have nearby OOC road games they could go to.  That's a real problem with being in a conference that's so spread out.  Fans don't have as good an opportunity to see their team on the road. 

I think his real problem is that he can't fathom how "superiority" off the field (money, resources, administration) doesn't automatically translate to wins on the field.  The factor he's missing is that it all comes down to recruiting and coaching.  He can't openly admit (he does it tacitly) that Ohio does a better job at both.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 11:54 AM
Honestly, I *like* that he's still going on and on about this.  He's keeping Ohio in his reader's minds, and obviously, we remain in the forefront of his thoughts.  He's got to move on, since he'll need to start talking about "the next game", but he'll be thinking about this for a long, long time.

This loss hurt him emotionally.  He was and still is extremely disappointed.

It seems to go past simple disappointment, though.  I don't know the root of his hated for Ohio; It's got to go back to some perceived slight that happened back in the 60's or 70's.

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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:02 PM
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This article by Chuck really isn't that bad, except the use of the word "unacceptable."  And most of the responses are reasonable.  


I know you put the "moderate" in Moderator (that's a compliment!), but you're off base here. His columns are no better than a message board rant from a delusional fan. I get that columns are opinions, but his are replete with obvious inaccuracies and petty invective.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:19 PM
I know, I am one of Landon's biggest critics on this board.  I'm the one who posted the poll about how Ohio should treat Chuck.    I just thought this most recent article wasn't as demeaning to Ohio as some of his other recent rants.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:23 PM
The point is that if its unacceptable , what are you going to do about it? You fire the coaches, get new players, or quit playing Ohio since there're so far below you. Make your choice.
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