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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:38 PM
Is there a cure for ignorance?
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Posted: 9/18/2013 1:36 PM
Obviously, facts do not mean anything to this guy.  Assuming that MU's athletic budget last year was $24.8M and further assuming that this figure represents approximately 13% of MU's entire annual budget, then it appears that MU's budget last year would be approximately $191M.  If true, that represents about 1/3rd of OUr annual budget which is somewhere around $600M.  Secondly, our athletic budget last year was a little over $28M which is somewhere close to $4M greater than what MU spent.  So how can we be the weak, poor sister to MU that Landon infers in his columns?  Granted, the Joan holds more then OUr beloved Peden, but that is where the superiority ceases.  We have been to more bowl games in both football and basketball in recent years.  In the last 3 years we have owned MU in football, and if you look at the overall series record, we still own MU.  Finally, as for CUSA, if we were in that conference we would be undefeated right now (2-0) against a couple of the "better" teams in that conference.  Even Bowling Green trucked that conference's "premier" team on opening night when it crushed Tulsa. 

So what do I take from Chuck's column?  It just proves to me that he is a bush-league writer for a small newspaper in Jerkwater, America writing about a joke of a so-called "university" (I use that term loosely).  Basicallly, if he was writing about OUr program I would consider him nothing more than an embarrassment.  As it stands, his column only serves to reinforce most peoples' beliefs that Marshall is small-time and the Huntington Dispatch and Chuck Landon are bit players in some out-of-the-way place in West Virginia. 

GO BOBCATS!
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Posted: 9/18/2013 7:03 PM
Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon.  You are talking about him, you are reading his stories, and he is under your skin.  HAHA. 

He is correct though.  Losing to Ohio University is unacceptable.  We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.

Good luck the rest of the season.

Go Herd.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 7:27 PM
mckayt wrote:expand_more
Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon.  You are talking about him, you are reading his stories, and he is under your skin.  HAHA.


Nope. Never clicked on the link. But if his mission is to laugh at him while not patronizing his paper, fly the banner!
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Posted: 9/18/2013 7:35 PM
Yes, making himself look foolish does get us talking about him for a little while, though he will be forgotten quickly enough. Writing thought provoking, intelligent commentary, and earning respect would get him more attention over the long run, however. Opinions such as he expresses will make it harder for Marshall to regain their old winning tradition, but that's your problem, not ours.

In any case, the better team won on the field, as usually happens. Which team will be better next year? We'll have to wait and see, but I expect another close, hard fought game. Good luck to you the rest of the year.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 8:59 PM
mckayt wrote:expand_more
  We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.


You guys have used this excuse the last 3 years.  Not to mention the losers on your message boards that blame officiating.  Ultimately it comes down to talent, smarts and coaching.  We beat you on all three counts.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 9:07 PM
mckayt wrote:expand_more
No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.


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Posted: 9/18/2013 9:38 PM
mckayt, you can't back up your assertion that you guys would have won by three or four TDs without the turnovers.

But really, last I heard, turnovers are part of the game.  Ohio forced two out of the four Marshall turnovers.  That's a weakness of the Herd program, especially over the past three years vs. Ohio.  It isn't just a "luck" thing.

Chuck Landon writes the same tripe regarding men's basketball, with the same reasons for why it's "unacceptable" to lose to Ohio.  Yet, the Herd keeps getting clocked by MAC teams like Ohio and Akron.

Good luck the rest of the season.  I really do root for Marshall except when they play Ohio.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 9:38 PM
mckayt wrote:expand_more
  We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.


Go Herd.


It's a good point.  Heck, I'm sure that stupd cow considers last Saturday a stupd cow victory.


Hey, do ya think that those turnovers and the fact that OHIO recovered or intercepted may have actually had to do with effort and effect by the OHIO players.

You might want, also, to look at the extreme youth (rs soph, true soph, rs fresh, true fresh) on the OHIO offensive and defensive lines.  You all got out-talented.

Three losses in a row by stupd cow can only mean one thing:  stupd cow thinks it won all three games.



mckayt--generally, you seem to be fairly reasonable if memory serves me here.  but the above remark is not very intelligent.

Do you ask the bank for more money 'cause your paycheck would've been bigger if you'd've just gotten 3 or 4 promotions?
Last Edited: 9/18/2013 9:39:18 PM by Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 9/18/2013 10:00 PM
mckayt wrote:expand_more
Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon.  You are talking about him, you are reading his stories, and he is under your skin.  HAHA. 

He is correct though.  Losing to Ohio University is unacceptable.  We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.

Good luck the rest of the season.

Go Herd.


you live in a fantasy world. Once Ohio went up by 2 scores in the 2nd quarter they controlled the pace for the rest of the game and bled the clock to prevent Marshall from having more possessions. Marshall never had the lead and never tied after it was 7-7, Ohio played slow, grind it out, drain the clock football on purpose. The lead was never in doubt, there was never a reason for Ohio to play up tempo.

BUT, in your little mind, without the turnovers Marshall would have scored more points early, and for some reason that makes absolutely no sense Ohio would have completely ignored this and would have continued to play at a slow, methodical, grind it out pace, totally oblivious to the scoreboard and the word around them. really?

and let's not forget, regardless of turnovers, Marshall's defense, full of "more talented" players, COULD NOT GET OFF THE FIELD. Marshall had zero turnovers in the 3rd quarter but only had the ball for ONE possession. How is Marshall going to run up the score when they are down by 2 TDs but only get the ball 1 time in the 3rd quarter?

Face it, Marshall didn't lose, Marshall got beat.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 1:15 AM
You can't play "what if" because all the things that follow are affected. IF Marshall doesn't start out giving Ohio a lead, Ohio calls different plays and defenses. Everything changes. Is the result the same? Who knows, but it isn't as simple as just pulling out the turnovers, and leaving everything else the same.

While we're at it, what if...Ohio didn't have 7-8 starters out? If Ohio can win with 1/3 of the team missing, does Ohio win by 3 TDs with a whole team?
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Posted: 9/19/2013 1:38 AM
mckayt wrote:expand_more
Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon.  You are talking about him, you are reading his stories, and he is under your skin.  HAHA. 

He is correct though.  Losing to Ohio University is unacceptable.  We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.


First of all, he's not under our skin. He's a punchline.  We read his column because it's so pathetically predictable. He reads like a bad poster on a message board. 

As for the game, you are correct, if Marshall doesn't turnover the ball they probably win.  The problem is that you do turn the ball over...and Ohio wins...and wins...and wins.   If you read the Marshall message boards you would think that there isn't a player on Ohio that could even see a locker room at Marshall.  Yet, we beat you and keep beating you and if you've paid any kind of attention Ohio is actually a better football program than Marshall and has been for a few years now.  The players we get may not be as highly graded when they leave high school but they certainly are when they leave college.  Think about that.

And by the way,  lather, rinse, repeat for basketball season.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 2:07 AM
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Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon.  You are talking about him, you are reading his stories, and he is under your skin.  HAHA. 

He is correct though.  Losing to Ohio University is unacceptable.  We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.


First of all, he's not under our skin. He's a punchline.  We read his column because it's so pathetically predictable. He reads like a bad poster on a message board. 

As for the game, you are correct, if Marshall doesn't turnover the ball they probably win.  The problem is that you do turn the ball over...and Ohio wins...and wins...and wins.   If you read the Marshall message boards you would think that there isn't a player on Ohio that could even see a locker room at Marshall.  Yet, we beat you and keep beating you and if you've paid any kind of attention Ohio is actually a better football program than Marshall and has been for a few years now.  The players we get may not be as highly graded when they leave high school but they certainly are when they leave college.  Think about that.

And by the way,  lather, rinse, repeat for basketball season.


Nice double sting with the basketball reminder.

Uh, what happened the last time we played stupd cow in hoops?  What happened even though stupd cow is clearly so much better than us at the roundball?
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Posted: 9/19/2013 9:01 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon.  You are talking about him, you are reading his stories, and he is under your skin.  HAHA. 

He is correct though.  Losing to Ohio University is unacceptable.  We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.


First of all, he's not under our skin. He's a punchline.  We read his column because it's so pathetically predictable. He reads like a bad poster on a message board. 

As for the game, you are correct, if Marshall doesn't turnover the ball they probably win.  The problem is that you do turn the ball over...and Ohio wins...and wins...and wins.   If you read the Marshall message boards you would think that there isn't a player on Ohio that could even see a locker room at Marshall.  Yet, we beat you and keep beating you and if you've paid any kind of attention Ohio is actually a better football program than Marshall and has been for a few years now.  The players we get may not be as highly graded when they leave high school but they certainly are when they leave college.  Think about that.

And by the way,  lather, rinse, repeat for basketball season.


......or for almost any other sport.  This is the pattern across the board.  They make mistakes. We don't.
Last Edited: 9/19/2013 9:27:42 AM by Victory
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Posted: 9/19/2013 9:40 AM
I shouldn't be doing this... but we should share our game plan with Marshall.

Create turnovers and take care of the ball...
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Posted: 9/19/2013 10:39 AM
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Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon.  You are talking about him, you are reading his stories, and he is under your skin.  HAHA.


www.theonion.com/articles/pepsi-super-bowl-commercial-got-you-talking-report,6567/
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:06 AM
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I think his real problem is that he can't fathom how "superiority" off the field (money, resources, administration) doesn't automatically translate to wins on the field.  The factor he's missing is that it all comes down to recruiting and coaching.  He can't openly admit (he does it tacitly) that Ohio does a better job at both.


Marshall does have a larger donor base than Ohio as they make 2.6 million off athletics. Ohio made over 1 million on ticket revenue last season but that didn't count the OBC in that total. What Marshall is making in athletics isn't the kind of revenue that you find in Louisville making 25 million off the Yum Center or anything else significant. Anyone at that game could see that Walter Fieldhouse is under construction behind the stadium. Peden Tower is a 36,000 square feet football operations center that a non-BCS program could dream of. The president of Marshall was the provost at Ohio so I don't know how that gives the Herd a superior administration. The MAC is a step up in tradition over the new CUSA a mesh of schools few people have heard of.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:09 AM
All 4 of the turnovers were in situations where Marshall had not crossed midfield.  Why does every Marshall fan assume that each of those 4 possessions would have resulted in 7 points? 
  • If Marshall has the superior athletes, then why can't a running back absorb a powerful hit (not once, but twice) from one of our "smaller, slower, weaker" defensive players that basically popped him in the mouth? 
  • If Marshall has superior athletes, why can't they find one kick returner that can actually catch a ball kicked to him?
  • If Marshall has superior athletes, why can't they find a wide receiver to run a 10 yard curl route without falling flat on his face on brand new, dry turf?
Turnovers and field postion matter.  Ohio won both.  Ohio had fewer yards on offense because they kept getting the ball with a short field.  I live in West Virginia and hear the same BS rationalizations for why Marshall could never beat WVU.  Why can't Herd fans just admit defeat occasionally?  Bobcat fans have at least learned how to do that over the past 4 decades.  Eventually Marshall will beat Ohio.  The two programs are pretty evenly matched.  When it does happen,  I can't imagine us using words like, "unnacceptable, blasphemy, never, and superior".  That's what makes Landon such a clown to us. 
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Why can't Herd fans just admit defeat occasionally?  Bobcat fans have at least learned how to do that over the past 4 decades.  Eventually Marshall will beat Ohio.  The two programs are pretty evenly matched.  When it does happen,  I can't imagine us using words like, "unnacceptable, blasphemy, never, and superior".  That's what makes Landon such a clown to us. 


Exactly.  Its one thing to have message boarders claiming superiority and etc. 

I assume we could easily find level headed Marshall fans who understand and admit it is not 1990s and Ohio is now a program to be reckoned with. 

But Chuck Landon's comments are simply nonsensical.  And, make the Marshall community look delusional.

By the way, I wonder if Chuck Landon and Elton Alexander are BFFs.....
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Posted: 9/19/2013 11:28 AM
The biggest resource in Ohio's favor is that OH has 11.5 million people while WV has 1.8 million. Ohio has enough talent in-state alone for a very strong MAC team. A team full of West Virginia players couldn't even win the OVC and that is a fact that Marshall has to live with for eternity.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 12:09 PM
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We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.
Go Herd.


If you would have scored more points than Ohio you would have won.  

"We blew it and gave it to them" is what losers say when they can't handle the fact they lost.  They can't bear to think they just aren't as good as they think they are.  Good teams don't turn the ball over.  

Of the last eight contests six have been close - one blowout for MU (2003), one for OU.  That to me shows me two programs on par, and one particular program and fan base that needs to come to terms with the fact they aren't superior in any way.  
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Posted: 9/19/2013 8:18 PM
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We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.
Go Herd.

Good teams don't turn the ball over.  


I agree.  That is why it is unacceptable to lose the way we did.  We can't hold onto the ball and we have four turnovers and we lose by 3 points.  Unacceptable.  If Marshall handles the ball, we win by 3 or 4 TDs.  We didn't though and we lose.  We can't help it if we feel that it is unacceptable for our program to lose to Ohio University the way we did.  It surely isn't acceptable, now is it? 
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Posted: 9/19/2013 8:47 PM
mckayt wrote:expand_more
We turn the ball over 4 times and we lose by 3 points. Unacceptable. No turnovers and the Herd wins by 3 or 4 TDs.
Go Herd.

Good teams don't turn the ball over.


I agree. That is why it is unacceptable to lose the way we did. We can't hold onto the ball and we have four turnovers and we lose by 3 points. Unacceptable. If Marshall handles the ball, we win by 3 or 4 TDs. We didn't though and we lose. We can't help it if we feel that it is unacceptable for our program to lose to Ohio University the way we did. It surely isn't acceptable, now is it?
I think you missed the point. Marshall fans and Chuckie are saying they shouldn't lose under any circumstances because We Are Marshall and we shouldn't lose to MAC teams because we're better than that. Chuckie says they should stop playing MAC teams because they keep losing to them. You show that you're better by winning games, not by looking at the past or recruiting rankings.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 8:52 PM
I went to a poor, small rural High School that almost was merged into neighboring school districts during my Sophomore year.  The school survived with limited resources after an emergency tax levy passed by a few votes.  When, during my senior year, we won our conference in just about every sport we had I was proud to say that we did this IN SPITE of the handicaps.

When Ohio won the preseason NIT when I was in school beating multiple ranked teams including Back-to-Back Big Ten Champion Ohio State and then Top Ten ranked Virginia I was more than proud to say we did this IN SPITE of being resource handicapped.

I don't think that having a lack or a plenty of athletic resources is anything for a school to be proud or ashamed of. Some might contend that a school not spending much on athletics means that it has its priorities in order.  It wouldn't bother me at all to hear someone say we beat them in spite of a handicap if it were true and said with at least some small measure of respect (see most 2012 Penn State writers).  But it isn't at all true in this case.  I could list about twenty things that you could consider pointing to a resource advantage.  Its pretty even here.  If anything I think its in Ohio's favor now after CUSA has fallen to arguably the worst 1A league.

Landon is understandably frustrated at a three game losing streak to a rival.  That's OK.  But trying to make yourself feel better by printing things that are clearly false and repeated talking down to someone else isn't "Mission accomplished by Mr. Landon" its at worst libel and at best really poor journalism and sportsmanship. McKayt you've usually been a pretty considerate, mostly friendly rival, and sensible poster.  I'm not telling you to accept losing but if you have any sense you shouldn't be defending Landon.  If any pro-Ohio writer wrote something like that I assure you I'd be writing him telling him to stop embarrassing the University rather than going on a rival message board defending what he wrote.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 9:21 PM
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  If Marshall handles the ball, we win by 3 or 4 TDs.  


**sigh** Against my better judgment of trying to use logic on someone who clearly is incapable of thinking logically, here we go:
  • You can look (as you have) at the turnovers as gifting Ohio 17 points while denying Marshall at least another score.
  • If football were an algebraic formula, maybe that would be a sensible way of looking at it.
  • Football is not algebra. Football is multivariable calculus with at least 22 variables (but probably closer to 100, but we're simplifying here for you) on any given play, with the formula playing out a different way 150-200 times over the course of a given game.
  • Let's say Marshall doesn't have 4 turnovers. Does it improve Marshall's chances? All other variables remaining the same, sure.
  • All other variables do not stay the same.
  • One of the not infrequent points of discussion (and frankly frustration) on this board is how Ohio goes conservative offensively and defensively at times. We burn clock on offense and play prevent defense if we're up by 2 scores or more.
  • Marshall's FG at the end of the first half occurred after Ohio, knowing it would receive the 2nd half kickoff, was up 10 and went to a prevent defense in an effort to keep Marshall from driving 93 yards in 2 minutes.
  • Marshall's last TD occurred when Ohio, up 10 and knowing that Marshall needed 2 scores in less than 3 minutes, went to a prevent defense.
  • Marshall's lone TD pass occurred on blown coverage when, you guessed it, Ohio was in prevent defense and Cato had all day to find the receiver who the defense lost track of.
  • Ohio could have played for the TD when it kicked its last FG, but the coaches instead ran the ball 3 straight plays to force Marshall to burn all of its timeouts.
  • So, if we want to control the variables for Marshall turnovers, giving Marshall an additional 20-24 points, let's control for Ohio's conservatism, and give Ohio an additional 17-21 points.
  • That leads us right back to......a tie.
  • Football would be boring if you could control all the variables and all the games ended in ties as a result.
  • You cannot control the variables and football is awesome.
  • You lost. Deal with it.
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