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Posted: 9/16/2013 8:44 AM

And someone on this board called me out for calling him a loser?

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Posted: 9/16/2013 8:59 AM
I liked this comment on the online version of the article.

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Landon says "...Ohio isn't on par with Marshall's talent, facilities, or resources. Why should the Herd ever lose to them?" Funny thing. On the rare occasion when Marshall happens to stumble on an acorn, and gets by a school that has superior talent, resources and facilities,it's an entirely different tune. It's proof that Marshall "belongs", and evidence that the Herd can "play with anybody". Landon's rationalizing is pathetic. Here it is Chuck. Ohio U. leads this series 32-19. Ohio U. has beaten Marshall the last three times in a row, both in Huntington and Athens. The evidence says that the Bobcats dominate this rivalry. If Marshall had beaten a "bigger" opponent three consecutive times, regardless of the circumstances, you think Landon would be saying "...there is no way Marshall should win those games"? He would instead be crowing that the Herd has proven beyond any doubt that they were better. Likewise here. Currently, Ohio U. is a better football program than Marshall. The overall records and results over the past five seasons speak for themselves. You can accept it, and make an effort to change it, but there in no logical way to deny it.

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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:04 AM
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I was talking with a lady I work with and is also a WVU fan that lives in Huntington and she commented that "Landon is a Marshall ball sniffing hack that does nothing more than bad mouth WVU." Her words not mine but accurate none the less.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:14 AM
Yeah, Eagle66, you beat me to the punch.  I was going to post the same response.  Pretty funny, huh?
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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:23 AM
Landon is very representative of the echo chamber that is the Marshall fan base. They really believe their own mythology, and none of it is based on results on the field or court. It's pathetic, but it makes beating them repeatedly more fun.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:32 AM
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... It's pathetic, but it makes beating them repeatedly more fun.

Indeed, but now it's time for Peay.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:43 AM
To get more insight into how Landon thinks and the reasons for it, read this column about his hatred for MIami.  Also, read the responses to the article.  Some of their fans hate Ohio and the MAC for similar reasons related to when Marshall was kicked out of the MAC for a time.  

This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest.  This is truly living in the past.  Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War.  Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?

OCF, I know you were around when all this went down so feel free to add your comments.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1840144133/Chuck-Landon-Marshalls-rivalry-with-Miami-has-deep-roots?r=mc&show=all
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:00 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest.  This is truly living in the past.  Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War.  Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?



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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:25 AM
I posted his email address above because it might be nice to send him a few emails. He is the only "journalist" (and I use that term loosely) that makes no secret of his hatred for Ohio university and therefore takes a loss to the Bobcats so personally. He is a huge Marshall fan first and "journalist" second. If he were a journalist first and a fan second then it would be a waste of time to drop him a note.

I did not see him this past Saturday and wondering if he still has a mollutt haircut?
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:31 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
To get more insight into how Landon thinks and the reasons for it, read this column about his hatred for MIami.  Also, read the responses to the article.  Some of their fans hate Ohio and the MAC for similar reasons related to when Marshall was kicked out of the MAC for a time.  

This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest.  This is truly living in the past.  Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War.  Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?

OCF, I know you were around when all this went down so feel free to add your comments.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1840144133/Chuck-Landon-Marshalls-rivalry-with-Miami-has-deep-roots?r=mc&show=all


That story is amazing when you consider it was Landon himself who brings attention to an obscure moment some 42 years previous, and as a journalist, attempts to use that moment to drum up hatred within a current Marshall player who wasn't even around back then. Does it occur to Landon that the only story the Marshall player hears is filtered through Chuck himself? He's actually manipulating a Marshall player with some BS story he remembers from long ago, and then basing his entire column on it. Not to mention, the story itself is a bit hard to believe. Something tells me the college student Chuck may have gotten himself all lathered up over something quite benign--and is still fuming about it.

Crazy.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:55 AM
As nervous as I was during the last few minutes of that game is nothing compared to how Landon must have felt, sitting there in Peden Tower watching his beloved team lose for the 3rd straight year to Ohio. How difficult it must have been for him not to break down into tears before climbing into his Landonmobile and making that agonizing drive back to Huntington. I take great pleasure knowing the last thing he thought of before falling asleep was 34-31 and the first thing he thought of when he opened his eyes was losing 3 in a row. Kind off makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:13 AM
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I believe we are undefeated this year in ConfUSA.  Actually, we are 2-0 in that conference and supposedly have defeated two of their "better" teams.  So, perhaps we should move to CUSA because this year it appears we own that conference.

GO BOBCATS!
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:26 AM
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In all honesty, Ohio shouldn't be playing the likes of Marshall. Why do we need to associate with a school that is pretty much Hocking Tech South? I hate our university's pandering to the bloodroot and moss gathering crowd. Is it really worth the few extra dollars to have a throng of the unwashed sully our campus every couple years? Is the self-hatred of some of our fanbase so strong that they need this game to exorcise the demons grandpappy learned them about?

Country roads, please take this "rivalry" back home to the hollows of West Virginia and dispose of it in some forsaken kin grave site...

xxooxx


This may be sarcasm but I endorse the tagline.  I don't understand the love of this rivalry.  It may have been fun back in the days before the crash, when Marshall was just another school that happened to be nearby.  Nowadays, they obviously think playing us will be an automatic W and anything less is beneath them.  That's not a rivalry, that's subjugation.  Not one Marshall fan I ran into said as much as "Nice game", "Good luck ", "Looking forward to seeing you next year".   It's a good feeling to beat down a bully (legends in their own minds) and especially the a-hole that jumped on the bench pre-game to taunt our fans but that's it.

I, personally, have no interest in traveling to Huntington every other year to see a repeat performance and if Saturday's crowd was any indication, there are apparently thousand's of "no-show" Marshall fans who feel the same way about Athens.  Not one "We Are Marshall" was heard in Section 105 and that's OK by me. 
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:41 AM
I'm guessing Marshall does spend more money and does have better facilities.

And, I know for sure they do have more rabid fans.

Yet, we win.  3 years in a row including a 44-7 blowout.

Our students cared so little they walked out en masse because they couldn't wait 2 hours to have a beer.  Walked out on a rivalry game.  What serious football program has that happen?

I don't understand how we beat them given all of this.

So, I can appreciate Chuck Landon's disbelief.  And die hard Marshall fan's disbelief.

They indeed should be a better program and should beat us.

Yet, we win. 

Hee hee.....
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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:19 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest.  This is truly living in the past.  Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War.  Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?




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+1  Couldn't have said it better myself.  As I mentioned in another thread recently, I consider WTS to be a subway alumnus since Thomas Ewing (his stepfather and father-in-law) was in the first Ohio graduating class.  No, Jeff, I wasn't around to witness WTS' recruitment of our first coach from Dartmouth.  Perhaps in his honor we should regularly utilize a fullback and name the position The Sherman Tank.  Right, Monroe?
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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:46 PM
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To get more insight into how Landon thinks and the reasons for it, read this column about his hatred for MIami.  Also, read the responses to the article.  Some of their fans hate Ohio and the MAC for similar reasons related to when Marshall was kicked out of the MAC for a time.  

This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest.  This is truly living in the past.  Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War.  Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?

OCF, I know you were around when all this went down so feel free to add your comments.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1840144133/Chuck-Landon-Marshalls-rivalry-with-Miami-has-deep-roots?r=mc&show=all


Well, yes, Jeff, I have a different take on this and on Chuck.  Do I think he went overboard on his statements about the Ohio program vs. the Marshall program in yesterday's paper?  Yes.  Do I think he needs to have a little more forgiveness in his heart?  Yes.  Do I understand where he is coming from?  Yes.   I, too, remember that Miami butt-whipping.  While I wasn't there, as Chuck was, I was listening to it on the radio.  As I recall this game occurred the week after the miracle upset of Xavier in Marshall's first post-crash home game.  No one was surprised that Marshall lost, but it was very clear that Miami was running up the score.  Frank would never do that to any team, and especially not to a team that was coming off the greatest sports tragedy in US history.  That was plain wrong.  

Look at it this way.  Chuck got the Marshall team so emotionally high for the Miami game that they probably couldn't duplicate that level of intensity against us.  So, he may have done us a favor, unwittingly.  

I will always have a fond spot in my heart for Chuck, despite my many disagreements with the opinions expressed in his column.  For it was Chuck who came in a took over as the sports editor of The Parthenon when Jeff Nathan was killed in the crash.  Chuck worked long hours and devoted tremendous energy to revitalizing the student newspaper's sports reporting.  He and I had many a conversation in the newsroom that year, and I recall often disagreeing with him even then; however, I always admired his work ethic and his commitment getting the story and digging for details.  (Yes, I was appalled at the grammatical error in the lead paragraph of the game story yesterday.  I'd be willing to bet that Chuck didn't make that error but that some numbskull copy editor did.)

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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:50 PM
I'm not saying that Chuck has no good qualities.  I am saying I strongly disagree with his take on Ohio and I think he's being unprofessional in this regard.  
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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:56 PM
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Our students cared so little they walked out en masse because they couldn't wait 2 hours to have a beer.  Walked out on a rivalry game.  What serious football program has that happen?


Part of the problem is I doubt many of them know it's a rivalry game.  Unless you are a rabid fan who has researched Ohio athletics to find out who are the rivals and such (that is if you weren't raised a Bobcat), then you aren't going to know who's our rival outside of conference foe Miami.  Most of the students who show up are just the casual fans.  They don't know Marshall was once a conference rival and still remains our regional rival (given the temp and time of night on a saturday, I doubt many would have cared anyway).
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Posted: 9/16/2013 1:02 PM
The Marshall 1971 Football Schedule.  In my never to be humble opinion (see Chuck and I do share a few character traits), Coach Jack Lengyel should have been the national Coach of the Year in 1971.  To win two games with that ragtag bunch was a tremendous coaching job.  One that I've not see equaled in my lifetime.  


 
vs Xavier

 

 

 
vs Dayton

 

 

 

 
vs Toledo

 
vs Ohio
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To get more insight into how Landon thinks and the reasons for it, read this column about his hatred for MIami.  Also, read the responses to the article.  Some of their fans hate Ohio and the MAC for similar reasons related to when Marshall was kicked out of the MAC for a time.  

This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest.  This is truly living in the past.  Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War.  Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?

OCF, I know you were around when all this went down so feel free to add your comments.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1840144133/Chuck-Landon-Marshalls-rivalry-with-Miami-has-deep-roots?r=mc&show=all


Well, yes, Jeff, I have a different take on this and on Chuck.  Do I think he went overboard on his statements about the Ohio program vs. the Marshall program in yesterday's paper?  Yes.  Do I think he needs to have a little more forgiveness in his heart?  Yes.  Do I understand where he is coming from?  Yes.   I, too, remember that Miami butt-whipping.  While I wasn't there, as Chuck was, I was listening to it on the radio.  As I recall this game occurred the week after the miracle upset of Xavier in Marshall's first post-crash home game.  No one was surprised that Marshall lost, but it was very clear that Miami was running up the score.  Frank would never do that to any team, and especially not to a team that was coming off the greatest sports tragedy in US history.  That was plain wrong.  

Look at it this way.  Chuck got the Marshall team so emotionally high for the Miami game that they probably couldn't duplicate that level of intensity against us.  So, he may have done us a favor, unwittingly.  

I will always have a fond spot in my heart for Chuck, despite my many disagreements with the opinions expressed in his column.  For it was Chuck who came in a took over as the sports editor of The Parthenon when Jeff Nathan was killed in the crash.  Chuck worked long hours and devoted tremendous energy to revitalizing the student newspaper's sports reporting.  He and I had many a conversation in the newsroom that year, and I recall often disagreeing with him even then; however, I always admired his work ethic and his commitment getting the story and digging for details.  (Yes, I was appalled at the grammatical error in the lead paragraph of the game story yesterday.  I'd be willing to bet that Chuck didn't make that error but that some numbskull copy editor did.)




You're saying that a copy editor changed the tense of the word?  Come on, Chuck made the mistake and the copy editor didn't notice it.

Or maybe Vernon Alden changed it.

As to the Miami game, is it not true that Miami didn't throw the ball in the second half?  Yet you, who were not there, insist that they ran up the score?  Should they have put a knee down on every play?
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Posted: 9/16/2013 1:20 PM
Bill Hess against Kentucky in that same year (I was there), ordered his players not to score in the last part of the game with Ohio up 35-6 and you never saw so many tackles by the turf monster.  If you want to hold the score down you can do it.  Miami didn't want to do it.  Just one more example of why Miami sucks!

Thanks for suggesting Vern Alden as villain.  I hadn't thought of that.  It makes perfect sense.  It's amazing the number of places that man pops up! 


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Posted: 9/16/2013 1:27 PM
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..As to the Miami game, is it not true that Miami didn't throw the ball in the second half?  Yet you, who were not there, insist that they ran up the score?  Should they have put a knee down on every play?

Just because the score was high does not mean they ran up the score. Were the starters still in? Were they throwing the ball? I recall a game, years ago that ended up 77-7. The winning team was on the road, so they had only a travel squad of 60 players, and no 4th stringers to put in. They did play offensive linemen on defense, and defensive linemen on offense, and the kicker played linebacker, a position he had always wanted to play, while a wide receiver took over the kicking. They ran the ball up the middle on every play in the second half. Even with all that, they still won the fourth quarter, 14-7. Were they running up the score? I think not.

Losing teams often claim that the other team ran up the score. Sometimes it is true, but often it isn't. You put your last-string players in, and you call predictable plays, and vanilla defenses, but you still want the players that are in to do their best. I disagree with having players take dives, or miss tackles. If you want to insult the other team, that's even worse - you're saying "You are so bad, you can't even tackle us, so we're just going to make a mockery of this".
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To get more insight into how Landon thinks and the reasons for it, read this column about his hatred for MIami. Also, read the responses to the article. Some of their fans hate Ohio and the MAC for similar reasons related to when Marshall was kicked out of the MAC for a time.

This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest. This is truly living in the past. Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War. Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?

OCF, I know you were around when all this went down so feel free to add your comments.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1840144133/Chuck-L...


Well, yes, Jeff, I have a different take on this and on Chuck. Do I think he went overboard on his statements about the Ohio program vs. the Marshall program in yesterday's paper? Yes. Do I think he needs to have a little more forgiveness in his heart? Yes. Do I understand where he is coming from? Yes. I, too, remember that Miami butt-whipping. While I wasn't there, as Chuck was, I was listening to it on the radio. As I recall this game occurred the week after the miracle upset of Xavier in Marshall's first post-crash home game. No one was surprised that Marshall lost, but it was very clear that Miami was running up the score. Frank would never do that to any team, and especially not to a team that was coming off the greatest sports tragedy in US history. That was plain wrong.

Look at it this way. Chuck got the Marshall team so emotionally high for the Miami game that they probably couldn't duplicate that level of intensity against us. So, he may have done us a favor, unwittingly.

I will always have a fond spot in my heart for Chuck, despite my many disagreements with the opinions expressed in his column. For it was Chuck who came in a took over as the sports editor of The Parthenon when Jeff Nathan was killed in the crash. Chuck worked long hours and devoted tremendous energy to revitalizing the student newspaper's sports reporting. He and I had many a conversation in the newsroom that year, and I recall often disagreeing with him even then; however, I always admired his work ethic and his commitment getting the story and digging for details. (Yes, I was appalled at the grammatical error in the lead paragraph of the game story yesterday. I'd be willing to bet that Chuck didn't make that error but that some numbskull copy editor did.)



You're saying that a copy editor changed the tense of the word? Come on, Chuck made the mistake and the copy editor didn't notice it.

Or maybe Vernon Alden changed it.

As to the Miami game, is it not true that Miami didn't throw the ball in the second half? Yet you, who were not there, insist that they ran up the score? Should they have put a knee down on every play?
If he went overboard once on slamming Ohio as an unworthy opponent then I might forgive him. But he does it year after year which makes him an enemy of the university, it athletics program and its fans and therefore he should be treated as such. I am glad you have pleasant memories because there is nothing pleasant about (up)Chuck in the here and now.

I wonder if OU Southern buys ad space in the Herald Dispatch? I say pull the ads and put that money in another area. I am guessing every ad dollar is valuable when you consider the demise of print media. Hit them in the pocket book and let them know why!
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I disagree, LC.  I thought it real class that Hess directed his team not to score in the latter part of the 4th quarter.  As a fan at the time, I wanted him to run up the score.  I was disappointed when I saw our RB Garry ("Carry on the carry" as the PA announcer said all game) break through the center of the line at about the UK 25 with nothing but green space ahead and fall flat on his face as he tripped over the 20 yard line.  But, in retrospect, I think it was the right thing to do.  Why Garry was still in the game at that point I don't know.  Lots of other backups were playing.   
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Posted: 9/16/2013 2:00 PM
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To get more insight into how Landon thinks and the reasons for it, read this column about his hatred for MIami.  Also, read the responses to the article.  Some of their fans hate Ohio and the MAC for similar reasons related to when Marshall was kicked out of the MAC for a time.  

This has been so long ago, they need to let it rest.  This is truly living in the past.  Reminds me of some southerners who are still fighting the Civil War.  Why hold something against the current generation for things that happened way in the past?

OCF, I know you were around when all this went down so feel free to add your comments.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1840144133/Chuck-Landon-Marshalls-rivalry-with-Miami-has-deep-roots?r=mc&show=all


Well, yes, Jeff, I have a different take on this and on Chuck.  Do I think he went overboard on his statements about the Ohio program vs. the Marshall program in yesterday's paper?  Yes.  Do I think he needs to have a little more forgiveness in his heart?  Yes.  Do I understand where he is coming from?  Yes.   I, too, remember that Miami butt-whipping.  While I wasn't there, as Chuck was, I was listening to it on the radio.  As I recall this game occurred the week after the miracle upset of Xavier in Marshall's first post-crash home game.  No one was surprised that Marshall lost, but it was very clear that Miami was running up the score.  Frank would never do that to any team, and especially not to a team that was coming off the greatest sports tragedy in US history.  That was plain wrong.  

Look at it this way.  Chuck got the Marshall team so emotionally high for the Miami game that they probably couldn't duplicate that level of intensity against us.  So, he may have done us a favor, unwittingly.  

I will always have a fond spot in my heart for Chuck, despite my many disagreements with the opinions expressed in his column.  For it was Chuck who came in a took over as the sports editor of The Parthenon when Jeff Nathan was killed in the crash.  Chuck worked long hours and devoted tremendous energy to revitalizing the student newspaper's sports reporting.  He and I had many a conversation in the newsroom that year, and I recall often disagreeing with him even then; however, I always admired his work ethic and his commitment getting the story and digging for details.  (Yes, I was appalled at the grammatical error in the lead paragraph of the game story yesterday.  I'd be willing to bet that Chuck didn't make that error but that some numbskull copy editor did.)



Actually, I was actually in attendance at that 1971Marshall-Miami game.  I went with my father, who holds degrees from both MUs.  I remember how he had a Marshall 12th man sticker along with a big Miami "M" on his VW Bug.  We went to a number of events supporting the university that year.  One of the reasons we went to the football game is that the back-up quarterback for Miami, Steve Williams, was one of my dad's former students as was John Wiggins, one of Miami's  wide-outs. Because of the mismatch we knew that Williams and Wiggins (who were a part of the famed 30-0 Teams in Sidney) would get some playing time.  Williams played most of the game with the exception of the first series.  Marshall's starting QB, Reggie Oliver was hurt and did not play.  It was a complete mismatch and Miami pulled its starters pretty early. Miami was not running up the score as much as Marshall was not able to stop them from scoring.  Its always seemed silly for Marshall to hold Miami in such contempt for running the score up in this game.  This Miami team was 2 years away from an 11-0 season and a Tangerine Bowl victory over Florida.  So, it actually - considering the injuries and playing with a ton of true freshman, winning or even competing with Miami in this game on that date was a pretty tall task for the Young Thundering Herd.
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