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Posted: 11/5/2013 9:00 PM
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Albin.....darn,would Tyler flicking run with the ball!
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Posted: 11/5/2013 9:52 PM
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Having watched about all of our offense this year, I see nothing new this game.  No wrinkles to surprise Beefs with.

Are we ever going to try to run the hurry-up?



 
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:23 PM
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The refs.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:27 PM
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
The refs.
All of them working this game, including the ones in the booth who said that play wasn't reviewable

 
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:38 PM
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cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
The refs.

All of them working this game, including the ones in the booth who said that play wasn't reviewable

That's simply the rule. Shitty call yes, but only certain calls are reviewable. Just as big a question would be how far back did TT run? 25 yards? Still no excuse for the safety, but even taking the sack for a 20 yd straight back loss Is tough.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:18 PM
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Fire the refs 
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Obviously the ref with the white hat who couldnt see the goal line...second the replay ref that couldn't see the knee down and doesn't know the egregious call rule (if it was explained correctly).  The mac should retire or fire those two and issue an apology to OHIO immediately for those botched calls.
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Posted: 11/6/2013 12:09 AM
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Burrow. The safety knocked the wind out of the team and he failed to get the D back off the mat. 
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Posted: 11/6/2013 8:19 AM
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Casper71 wrote:expand_more
Obviously the ref with the white hat who couldnt see the goal line...second the replay ref that couldn't see the knee down and doesn't know the egregious call rule (if it was explained correctly).  The mac should retire or fire those two and issue an apology to OHIO immediately for those botched calls.


The problem with the fumble play, was when you could see the knee down, you could not see where the ball was.  the announcers even said this after the play stood.
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Posted: 11/6/2013 8:30 AM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Obviously the ref with the white hat who couldnt see the goal line...second the replay ref that couldn't see the knee down and doesn't know the egregious call rule (if it was explained correctly).  The mac should retire or fire those two and issue an apology to OHIO immediately for those botched calls.


The problem with the fumble play, was when you could see the knee down, you could not see where the ball was.  the announcers even said this after the play stood.


But you could see the ball, in Watters possession, a couple of frames after his knee touched the turf. Simple deduction that the replay official chose to ignore. The worst outcome for Ohio should have been a "call stands" ruling from the officials. Instead, they ruled "call confirmed," which is beyond a reasonable explanation.
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Posted: 11/6/2013 7:16 PM
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Special Teams Coach

Punt should have been blocked--how did that kid miss it?

When a kick goes into the endzone, taking a knee gets you the ball at the 25 but our best in the nation at kickoff returns know they'll break one each kick so they take off with it and get to the 18.  Kickoff return muff and boot across the goalline set up the safety--and perhaps the downward spiral in the close game. 

Tell those boyz to not try and run it out--none of em are LaVon or that dude, number #2--oh what was his name--well that's when Ohio had kick returners.  If Daz isn't out there, take the knee.

The #2 was Garrett.
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Posted: 11/7/2013 9:22 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Obviously the ref with the white hat who couldnt see the goal line...second the replay ref that couldn't see the knee down and doesn't know the egregious call rule (if it was explained correctly).  The mac should retire or fire those two and issue an apology to OHIO immediately for those botched calls.


The problem with the fumble play, was when you could see the knee down, you could not see where the ball was.  the announcers even said this after the play stood.


Sorry, I call BS. I saw two different views where the knee was down clearly before the ball came loose. at game speed, that's a tough call. With the replays we had, that was an easy overturn. I know it's your favorite thing to play devils advocate on here, but there's no excuse for this. The call was absolutely 100% wrong and replays CLEARLY showed. Any human being with an IQ above 30 overturns that call.
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Posted: 11/7/2013 9:26 PM
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Obviously the ref with the white hat who couldnt see the goal line...second the replay ref that couldn't see the knee down and doesn't know the egregious call rule (if it was explained correctly). The mac should retire or fire those two and issue an apology to OHIO immediately for those botched calls.


The problem with the fumble play, was when you could see the knee down, you could not see where the ball was. the announcers even said this after the play stood.


Sorry, I call BS. I saw two different views where the knee was down clearly before the ball came loose. at game speed, that's a tough call. With the replays we had, that was an easy overturn. I know it's your favorite thing to play devils advocate on here, but there's no excuse for this. The call was absolutely 100% wrong and replays CLEARLY showed. Any human being with an IQ above 30 overturns that call.
I will admit I was not paying attention to all replays, but the one I saw I saw nothing that made me say it's a bad call. Want to avoid that situation? Hold on to the ball.
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Posted: 11/7/2013 10:15 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Obviously the ref with the white hat who couldnt see the goal line...second the replay ref that couldn't see the knee down and doesn't know the egregious call rule (if it was explained correctly). The mac should retire or fire those two and issue an apology to OHIO immediately for those botched calls.


The problem with the fumble play, was when you could see the knee down, you could not see where the ball was. the announcers even said this after the play stood.


Sorry, I call BS. I saw two different views where the knee was down clearly before the ball came loose. at game speed, that's a tough call. With the replays we had, that was an easy overturn. I know it's your favorite thing to play devils advocate on here, but there's no excuse for this. The call was absolutely 100% wrong and replays CLEARLY showed. Any human being with an IQ above 30 overturns that call.


I will admit I was not paying attention to all replays, but the one I saw I saw nothing that made me say it's a bad call. Want to avoid that situation? Hold on to the ball.

Go to ESPN3 and watch it. It's obvious. There are frames where you can see both the ball in Waters' possession and his knee on the ground. There are all kinds of frames after that (he possessed the ball for another second or more) with him in possession of the ball before it comes out. Even the MAC office saw this, so I think you can the replay official are in the minority.

And have you ever tried to hold onto the ball with four guys all around you trying to rip it out? Waters did his job by keeping it until well after he was down.


 
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Posted: 11/7/2013 10:44 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Obviously the ref with the white hat who couldnt see the goal line...second the replay ref that couldn't see the knee down and doesn't know the egregious call rule (if it was explained correctly). The mac should retire or fire those two and issue an apology to OHIO immediately for those botched calls.


The problem with the fumble play, was when you could see the knee down, you could not see where the ball was. the announcers even said this after the play stood.


Sorry, I call BS. I saw two different views where the knee was down clearly before the ball came loose. at game speed, that's a tough call. With the replays we had, that was an easy overturn. I know it's your favorite thing to play devils advocate on here, but there's no excuse for this. The call was absolutely 100% wrong and replays CLEARLY showed. Any human being with an IQ above 30 overturns that call.


I will admit I was not paying attention to all replays, but the one I saw I saw nothing that made me say it's a bad call. Want to avoid that situation? Hold on to the ball.


from the MAC: However, after careful review the runner’s right leg was down before the fumble. This play should have been ruled down and the fumble overturned with Ohio maintaining possession.
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Posted: 11/9/2013 8:31 AM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
The refs.

All of them working this game, including the ones in the booth who said that play wasn't reviewable



That's simply the rule. Shitty call yes, but only certain calls are reviewable. Just as big a question would be how far back did TT run? 25 yards? Still no excuse for the safety, but even taking the sack for a 20 yd straight back loss Is tough.
All scoring plays are reviewable.  So This play should have been reviewed.  
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Posted: 11/9/2013 12:28 PM
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Last time I say this, penalties are not reviewable. Their is an piton the egregious error clause, but evidently the error was not deemed so. Which is a head scratcher.
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Posted: 11/9/2013 4:26 PM
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Yeah, I go with the clause that allows for correcting any REALLY OBVIOUS, error by an official.  If they had corrected on the safety, do you think that Beefs would 1) have complained and/or 2) would have been seen as having any reason to complain?

The error on the 'fumble' on the pass completion was not nearly as glaring so I don''t see correcting that by use of an 'obvious error' clause.  I do see need for replay officials to get the obvious ones called correctly...so the league office should deal harshly with this one.
 
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Posted: 11/9/2013 5:04 PM
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The fumble was reviewable, and was reviewed. They should have gotten it right - there was no need for any special rule there. The offensive interference looked wrong to me when they called it against Waters, but also when they called it on Buffalo a bit later.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 8:30 AM
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If this was a European football match, those refs would be investigate.  Just sayin....
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Posted: 11/12/2013 8:17 PM
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Whoever is running the Defense. No one hits any of the receivers coming off the line. They give, what? A 10 yard cushion to every opposing receiver. Fire the DC. Now. Hit someone coming off the line, slow them down, disrupt the play. This ain't practice.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 9:29 PM
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It seems to be a matter of who should not be fired.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 10:22 PM
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We'll certainly have to replace the brilliant minds who conceive our offense--demand for their services will have to be huge.  They'll definitely be hired away.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 11:00 PM
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Stan Parrish for OC! 
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Posted: 11/12/2013 11:27 PM
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Im firing Frank Solich. This is an embarassment. 10 years is enough to win a MAC title, I respect what you have done for the program but its time to go
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