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Posted: 12/25/2013 9:50 AM
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Just wondering if any of you atttackers think anyone of the current staff will replace Frank when he does retire? For the life of me, I can't see anyone that jumps out to me. It is true that the QB's have been consistently setting new records regardless of who it is, but I'm guessing that is due to hurry up and more open offenses more than real talent level. Any thoughts ?


A. Most importantly, a very Merry Christmas to all of you and your families!!

B. Great question! As a disqualifier I know virtually nothing about anyone on the staff, so take this for the grain of salt this is worth. As an outsider looking in, there's no one on the staff that excites me as a potential replacement for Coach Solich. Coach Dixon's done a great job with the wide receivers! Is he head coaching material? I have no idea. Haines appears to be doing a great job with the recruiting. Does that qualify him to be head coach? Doubtful but maybe I'm wrong. My point is, to me there's no one that screams head coach. But I live over 200 miles away. What do I know?

Again, Merry Christmas to all of you!
Check the bios, there is one on staff who has won a lower division NC as an HC. Reason he is still here likely is family men enjoy security and Solich seems to hire good family men. Can't knock that. Good types to lead the young men.
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Posted: 12/25/2013 2:46 PM
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...Here is where you guys are losing me. And please do NOT take this the wrong way, because i am in no way the we need a new coach camp However, some of you keep poo-poo-ing these 1-4 year coaching changes. However each school you've named has won an MAC Football title while we are again talking about next year.

What you miss is this: Other than Ohio, all the other 12 teams in the MAC are in the New-Coach-Every-few-years routine. Thus, if Ohio isn't the one winning the MAC, the other team must, obviously, be one of those 12 teams with a Coach-de-jour.  It is certainly not true that rotating coaches regularly assures you will win a MAC Championship. EMU, Ball State, WMU, Kent, Toledo, Temple, and U.Mass have not won the MAC despite regularly changing coaches.

What Ohio has managed to do is maintain relative consistency, and has always been in the hunt for the championship. They have never finished worse than 3-5 in the MAC under Solich. Since 2005, none of the other current MAC teams can say that - all have had at least one really bad season, most more than one. BG, NIU, Toledo, and Ball State have each had only1 bad season, CMU, WMU, Kent, and U.Mass only 2, but Akron, Miami, and Buffalo, despite winning MAC championships in there have all three had 4 awful seasons to go with their one good one.
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If FS and Co. would win just MAC Championship, this talk would disappear.  He has won everything but that.  The disappointment is the fact that other teams we think we have a better program than have one the Championship.  I'd still like to see ONE before I die but the seasons keep counting down.

Merry Christmas to all!

 
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Posted: 12/25/2013 6:31 PM
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If FS and Co. would win just MAC Championship, this talk would disappear....

For a time, perhaps, but as I'm sure you know, the grass is always greener on the other side. It hasn't been so long ago since JD Brookhart was Coach of the year in the MAC (2004) and won the MAC Championship in 2005, yet was fired in 2009 and replaced with iCoach.
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We should follow the JC mold. Go get another guy that kicked butt outside the BCS, got a crap BCS gig and got canned.

 

Technically JC didn't get fired from TCU... We just lured him away. Using that logic though, Bryant lured TOS away from Ohio.
 

I agree though, I want a coach like JC who is committed to staying at Ohio long term.
 

JC's wife is an Ohio alum and he talked about wanting to raise his kids in this area. JC knew our conference and had recruiting ties to the region while also having experience recruiting at a higher level. I don't know that there are any coaches in FBS football as successful as JC was in hoops who have a similar interest in the OHIO job, but that should be the goal.
 

I am hoping Frank sticks around for a few more years. I want to see how recruiting picks up with the IPF.
 


 

 

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L.C. wrote:expand_more
If FS and Co. would win just MAC Championship, this talk would disappear....

For a time, perhaps, but as I'm sure you know, the grass is always greener on the other side. It hasn't been so long ago since JD Brookhart was Coach of the year in the MAC (2004) and won the MAC Championship in 2005, yet was fired in 2009 and replaced with iCoach.

A MAC Championship will give the fans a warm and fuzzy feeling for about a month and then it will be that Frank has only won 1 MAC title. The bottom line is this program plays for bowls and ESPN TV appearances. Also home games to fill the hotel rooms. 

 
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Posted: 12/25/2013 9:51 PM
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Just wondering if any of you atttackers think anyone of the current staff will replace Frank when he does retire? For the life of me, I can't see anyone that jumps out to me. It is true that the QB's have been consistently setting new records regardless of who it is, but I'm guessing that is due to hurry up and more open offenses more than real talent level. Any thoughts ?

I wouldn't expect it from Schaus in basketball or a lot of other sports but in football it might be a case where Schaus makes an internal hire to try to keep the veteran staff he has intact. The staff has 3 promotion options; Burrow, Albin and Gdowski. I couldn't imagine a position coach promoted ahead of either of these 3. Gdowski could be the best option out of the 3 and let Burrow retire out at DC. I'm not sure where that leaves Albin in that case. Gdowski was promoted within the staff before and sounds like the most ambitious of the group.

 
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If anyone else on here even mentions fickell they need to be lobotomized. He was 6-6 at osu and their fans want him fired as DC..I would rather have a turner battle or even mr. Grobe!
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Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Just wondering if any of you atttackers think anyone of the current staff will replace Frank when he does retire? For the life of me, I can't see anyone that jumps out to me. It is true that the QB's have been consistently setting new records regardless of who it is, but I'm guessing that is due to hurry up and more open offenses more than real talent level. Any thoughts ?

I wouldn't expect it from Schaus in basketball or a lot of other sports but in football it might be a case where Schaus makes an internal hire to try to keep the veteran staff he has intact. The staff has 3 promotion options; Burrow, Albin and Gdowski. I couldn't imagine a position coach promoted ahead of either of these 3. Gdowski could be the best option out of the 3 and let Burrow retire out at DC. I'm not sure where that leaves Albin in that case. Gdowski was promoted within the staff before and sounds like the most ambitious of the group.

 



Brian knorr was also promoted

 
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Posted: 12/25/2013 11:55 PM
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Brian knorr was also promoted

Yes, promotions sometimes work, and sometimes don't. I don't have any idea whether on the whole promotions are more or less likely to be successful than bringing in someone from the outside, though I do have the strong suspicion that promotions are more apt to lead to someone less quick to leave at the first hint of success. I also have the strong feeling that promotions are more apt to be successful if they involve an entire staff staying, largely intact.

In Knorr's case, Grobe took most of the staff with him to Wake Forest, and Knorr had to hire a staff from scratch. As such he was in some ways more like bringing someone in new, yet unlike most cases where someone new is brought in, he had no track record of building a new, successful staff from scratch,

By the way, getting back to the thread title, "Is this Frank's last game", I could be all wrong, but I don't think we're there yet. I think that when he gets to the point that he's thinking it's his last year or two, one thing he may do is to choose who he thinks would be the best successor, and give that person the job title "Assistant Head Coach". That's what his mentor did, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him do the same thing. The fact that he hasn't named an "Assistant Head Coach" to me is in indication that he isn't thinking about retirement at the moment.
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Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
If FS and Co. would win just MAC Championship, this talk would disappear....

For a time, perhaps, but as I'm sure you know, the grass is always greener on the other side. It hasn't been so long ago since JD Brookhart was Coach of the year in the MAC (2004) and won the MAC Championship in 2005, yet was fired in 2009 and replaced with iCoach.

A MAC Championship will give the fans a warm and fuzzy feeling for about a month and then it will be that Frank has only won 1 MAC title. The bottom line is this program plays for bowls and ESPN TV appearances. Also home games to fill the hotel rooms. 

 

I disagree vehemently.  A MAC title will be well-appreciated here.  Absolutely.

And this program should be playing for MAC championships (which will bring bowls, TV, etc).

The hallmark is MAC Championship.

 
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I'd have to say Wes is right. A MAC title will keep people happy for a month or so, but not much more than that. It's always something new, something more. Win  B1G championship? So? Why no National Championship? Win a National Championship, but then don't win one for awhile, and you end up fired (ask Mac Brown about this). Football is not the same game as it was when I started being a fan.
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Evidence is very solidly against that viewpoint.  After Coach led us to the MAC title games and the bowl wins, did you read here a lot of 'that's okay but what have you done for me lately?'

No you didn't--until this year after the horrid at the end of last season combined with the horrid in the middle and end of this season.

In columbus, they think what have you done for me lately, you gotta win the national championship every year.  Here the temperature is so much lower as to barely register.  Apart from this board--where there must be 30 to 50 regulars--there is hardly even a pulse.



 
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I can only speak for myself, but a MAC Championship makes the season. There's nothing to yearn for above it because it is the only award, only accomplishment, only goal a team can control. Just win every game and win the MAC title. That is success at Ohio University. That is success in the MAC.

To me, everything else is football politics. Rankings. Bowl bids. BCS. All-Americans. All are subjective. Even NFL draft picks.

There's nothing subjective about a MAC title (unless you win it via a safety call at the 5 yard line in the MAC title game or something...WHICH IS APPARENTLY POSSIBLE!).

Until Ohio gets that, there should be some restlessness in the program. A healthy restlessness.
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Posted: 12/26/2013 10:45 AM
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...There's nothing subjective about a MAC title (unless you win it via a safety call at the 5 yard line in the MAC title game or something...WHICH IS APPARENTLY POSSIBLE!). ...

Note the head official in the 2006 MAC Championship game and the 2008 MAC Championship Game. Anything is possible.

There is nothing wrong with or surprising about a healthy level of restlessness.
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I can only speak for myself, but a MAC Championship makes the season. There's nothing to yearn for above it because it is the only award, only accomplishment, only goal a team can control. Just win every game and win the MAC title. That is success at Ohio University. That is success in the MAC.

To me, everything else is football politics. Rankings. Bowl bids. BCS. All-Americans. All are subjective. Even NFL draft picks.

There's nothing subjective about a MAC title (unless you win it via a safety call at the 5 yard line in the MAC title game or something...WHICH IS APPARENTLY POSSIBLE!).

Until Ohio gets that, there should be some restlessness in the program. A healthy restlessness.
a MAC championship is nice, and I would like to see us win one in my lifetime, but I don't base everything I think about Ohio football on a MAC title. To me a win over Ohio State would mean more to me. In fact , I enjoyed the win over Penn State last year a lot, maybe as much as a MAC title. There is nothing really subjective to me about wins and losses, and all the other things you mentioned. There're in the books, they draw crowds, they make the University money and garner it attention. We got the SI article last year and didn't win the MAC, why is that subjective or football politics? Draft picks make players real money, nothing subjective or political about that. It's reality. All-American and drafted players draw other players, etc. if all that really matters is winning some second rate conference, then I think you're missing a lot.
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The only thing that matters is winning the MAC East.  Do that and everything falls into the realm of possibility.  Lose and you may or may not get a bowl game and no way to win in Detroit.

I would have called this season a raging success had victories in the MAC come against all but say, Kent, followed by NIU pulverizing OHIO or OHIO pulling a MIAMI..

Be the best in the east.... 
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I can only speak for myself, but a MAC Championship makes the season. There's nothing to yearn for above it because it is the only award, only accomplishment, only goal a team can control. Just win every game and win the MAC title. That is success at Ohio University. That is success in the MAC.

To me, everything else is football politics. Rankings. Bowl bids. BCS. All-Americans. All are subjective. Even NFL draft picks.

There's nothing subjective about a MAC title (unless you win it via a safety call at the 5 yard line in the MAC title game or something...WHICH IS APPARENTLY POSSIBLE!).

Until Ohio gets that, there should be some restlessness in the program. A healthy restlessness.
a MAC championship is nice, and I would like to see us win one in my lifetime, but I don't base everything I think about Ohio football on a MAC title. To me a win over Ohio State would mean more to me. In fact , I enjoyed the win over Penn State last year a lot, maybe as much as a MAC title. There is nothing really subjective to me about wins and losses, and all the other things you mentioned. There're in the books, they draw crowds, they make the University money and garner it attention. We got the SI article last year and didn't win the MAC, why is that subjective or football politics? Draft picks make players real money, nothing subjective or political about that. It's reality. All-American and drafted players draw other players, etc. if all that really matters is winning some second rate conference, then I think you're missing a lot.
I agree.

We won the MAC in basketball last year. Two years ago, we didn't win the MAC but made the Sweet 16. I enjoyed the Sweet 16 more.

I want to win the MAC but winning the MAC isn't the only thing I am hoping our head football coach accomplishes for us.
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For me it's different (and  I recognize that). I just like football for the sake of football. I want watching it to be a positive experience. I like seeing the players progress and develop, and become the best that they can be. I like seeing the ones that have the ability move on to the NFL. I like seeing the teamwork, and camaraderie and competition. And, in the end, I like seeing entertaining football on the field. For me this season wasn't a disappointment because they failed to win, but rather because I don't think they achieved to their potential, particularly in the 2d half against Buffalo, and the games against BG and Kent.

For me the best season was 2006 because those players achieved so much more than one could have realistically hoped for them. The 2011 team was a close second.
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I can only speak for myself, but a MAC Championship makes the season. There's nothing to yearn for above it because it is the only award, only accomplishment, only goal a team can control. Just win every game and win the MAC title. That is success at Ohio University. That is success in the MAC.

To me, everything else is football politics. Rankings. Bowl bids. BCS. All-Americans. All are subjective. Even NFL draft picks.

There's nothing subjective about a MAC title (unless you win it via a safety call at the 5 yard line in the MAC title game or something...WHICH IS APPARENTLY POSSIBLE!).

Until Ohio gets that, there should be some restlessness in the program. A healthy restlessness.
a MAC championship is nice, and I would like to see us win one in my lifetime, but I don't base everything I think about Ohio football on a MAC title. To me a win over Ohio State would mean more to me. In fact , I enjoyed the win over Penn State last year a lot, maybe as much as a MAC title. There is nothing really subjective to me about wins and losses, and all the other things you mentioned. There're in the books, they draw crowds, they make the University money and garner it attention. We got the SI article last year and didn't win the MAC, why is that subjective or football politics? Draft picks make players real money, nothing subjective or political about that. It's reality. All-American and drafted players draw other players, etc. if all that really matters is winning some second rate conference, then I think you're missing a lot.


I agree.

We won the MAC in basketball last year. Two years ago, we didn't win the MAC but made the Sweet 16. I enjoyed the Sweet 16 more.

I want to win the MAC but winning the MAC isn't the only thing I am hoping our head football coach accomplishes for us.


We did not win the MAC this past year.  We tied for the MAC east regular season title.
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We did not win the MAC this past year.  We tied for the MAC east regular season title.


We are recognized co-champions.
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For me it's different (and  I recognize that). I just like football for the sake of football. I want watching it to be a positive experience. I like seeing the players progress and develop, and become the best that they can be. I like seeing the ones that have the ability move on to the NFL. I like seeing the teamwork, and camaraderie and competition. And, in the end, I like seeing entertaining football on the field. For me this season wasn't a disappointment because they failed to win, but rather because I don't think they achieved to their potential, particularly in the 2d half against Buffalo, and the games against BG and Kent.

For me the best season was 2006 because those players achieved so much more than one could have realistically hoped for them. The 2011 team was a close second.

Yes.  For all of those who think that I gripe for gripe's sake, it's not that at all.  It's the failure to perform to potential that irks me.

I'm beginning to wonder if we've vastly overestimated our lads' potential, given what we saw this year...have seen over the last 18-19 games.

 
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Now, I am starting to agree with Monroe.  I don't think we have near the talent some on this board seem to think we have.
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Frank is the man!

MAC Championship in 2014

 
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Now, I am starting to agree with Monroe.  I don't think we have near the talent some on this board seem to think we have.


 A lack of talent, lack of game plan that leads to a win, lack of player commitment, lack of heart, lack of ability to stay focused for entire season, and lack of ability to stay focused for an entire game have all been mentioned as reasons for disappointing seasons.  

If the game plan is due to lack of talent then that is, at least, understandable. If we have the talent to move horizontally then the game plan we seem to adopt makes no sense. Players that cannot stay focused is harder to understand. Is it a player issue or some other "team" issue. Most of us just don't know enough about either situation to talk about it other than by opinion.

I am not in the "Frank's got to go" camp. I am, however, in the "would like to see an entire season of solid play" camp. I also think what Frank has done for Ohio Football is amazing but I don't think it is terrible to wonder if he is the one to keep it moving unless he makes some changes. 

it happens in every organization that is moving forward. There are certain needs for every phase and sometimes one person can do it all and sometimes it means different leadership for another phase of growth. Successful organizations celebrate the movement forward and give credit where credit is due but allow for continuous growth. It is my sincere hope that Frank is able to find the right mix of coaches and players to develop a long time successful system at Ohio with some built in plan for succession.

If Frank retires then we should all hope that Ohio recognizes what has transpired under Frank and builds on it rather than tossing it aside for a temporary quick fix that is not sustainable.
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