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Posted: 1/23/2014 12:09 AM
State laws and regulations usually REQUIRE a ten day posting...I believe an Asst FB coach would fall under tose guidelines (even if they have some promotions planned).  Stupid but that is the way it is.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 5:25 PM
Funny how not all Universities seem to do the 10-day posting thing.

Regarding the loss of these three to Vandy, how about using this as an opportunity to schedule a home and home with Vandy?
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Posted: 1/23/2014 5:39 PM
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Funny how not all Universities seem to do the 10-day posting thing.

Regarding the loss of these three to Vandy, how about using this as an opportunity to schedule a home and home with Vandy?

The chances of a home and home are pegged on ticket prices. Vanderbilt tickets are only 15-20 for endzone seats, 40 for sideline when they played UMass last year. They don't make any ticket revenue unless its an SEC game. Perfect candidate for a home-home for Ohio. Ohio from what the future schedules look like is moving away from the money game.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:25 PM
Haven't needed anything much for Ohio FB recently, but http://coachingsearch.com/coaching-search-ticker is pretty helpful.

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Ohio University: A source tells CoachingSearch that former UMass and West Virginia assistant Dave Johnson will interview for a position on the staff at Ohio



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Ohio University: Ohio University coaches have spoken with Toledo quarterbacks coach Scott Isphording, but no decision has been reached, a source tells CoachingSearch.

Didn't Isphording already do a quick stint at Ohio? Maybe then to EMU, if I'm not mistaken.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:41 PM
Dave Johnson
Scott Isphording coached TE's and was the recruiting coordinator at Ohio during 2009, meaning the recruiting class he recruited was the class of 2010.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:51 PM
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Dave Johnson
Scott Isphording coached TE's and was the recruiting coordinator at Ohio in 2010.

Dave Johnson sounds like a huge get for Ohio. This guy was recruiting coordinator for Marshall in the 90's plus everything he's done at the Offensive Line position. Most likely he was lost in the shuffle after Butch Jones left for Tennessee and that is how he landed at UMass. 

 
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Posted: 1/23/2014 7:16 PM
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Dave Johnson
Scott Isphording coached TE's and was the recruiting coordinator at Ohio in 2010.

Dave Johnson sounds like a huge get for Ohio. This guy was recruiting coordinator for Marshall in the 90's plus everything he's done at the Offensive Line position. Most likely he was lost in the shuffle after Butch Jones left for Tennessee and that is how he landed at UMass. 

 


You mean that period of time at Marshall where their recruiting/retention tactics got them placed on NCAA probation? Not sure I like this possibility.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 7:18 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Dave Johnson
Scott Isphording coached TE's and was the recruiting coordinator at Ohio in 2010.


Dave Johnson sounds like a huge get for Ohio. This guy was recruiting coordinator for Marshall in the 90's plus everything he's done at the Offensive Line position. Most likely he was lost in the shuffle after Butch Jones left for Tennessee and that is how he landed at UMass.


Johnson would be good.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 7:26 PM
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You mean that period of time at Marshall where their recruiting/retention tactics got them placed on NCAA probation? Not sure I like this possibility.

NCAA News Archive re: Marshall

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Johnson would be good. Below is the list of his returning UMASS linemen. I get why he would want to join Ohio.

I think he's out of work at the moment. He was an assistant to Molnar, who was terminated.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 7:36 PM
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You mean that period of time at Marshall where their recruiting/retention tactics got them placed on NCAA probation? Not sure I like this possibility.

NCAA News Archive re: Marshall

Johnson would be good. Below is the list of his returning UMASS linemen. I get why he would want to join Ohio.

I think he's out of work at the moment. He was an assistant to Molnar, who was terminated.
Never mind. Thanks L.C..
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Posted: 1/23/2014 8:38 PM
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This feels like the beginning of the end.


So if  we hire Isphording  and Johnson is it The Beginning of the End or The Beginning of a New Beginning.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:10 AM
 Isphording was the architect of the worst recruiting class under Solich (2010), described by one coach as "almost a total loss."  Then he bailed as quickly as possible to go to another school.  And we're considering taking him back?  


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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:15 AM
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Isphording was the architect of the worst recruiting class under Solich (2010), described by one coach as "almost a total loss." Then he bailed as quickly as possible to go to another school. And we're considering taking him back?
I think considering is the word....I'd rather have Ganz from Nebraska ....Johnson would be a decent get.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:36 AM
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 Isphording was the architect of the worst recruiting class under Solich (2010), described by one coach as "almost a total loss."  Then he bailed as quickly as possible to go to another school.  And we're considering taking him back?  




Without going down the roster name by name, I count only five players who were still with the team this past season which would have been their fourth year in the program.  I realize a few were transfers and JC recruits, but there were some bad apples with grades and off the field issues.  I did not realize or had forgotten how bad this class was "overall" and it explains in part the past two years.

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2010/ohio-54

And Isphording left us for Eastern Michigan????
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Posted: 1/24/2014 1:29 PM
I just looked up Isphording and his resume is: "Eastern Michigan, Wittenberg, Colorado School of Mines and Fort Hays State"

He played QB at something called "Hanover College", which after googling I found out is somewhere in Indiana.

What kind of pedigree is that? Backwater after backwater! This is the best we can find? A guy who cut his teeth at the Colorado School of Mines?

Would Steve Hays and Co. hire a new faculty member for the Classics and World Religion department that got their PhD from one of those dumpy schools? No. Its strictly Berkeley, Duke, Oxford and UChicago for those guys. Only the best.

Oh, and you then let him run recruiting? He doesn't even know what a good D1 player looks like! He's only seen them on the TV!

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Posted: 1/24/2014 2:48 PM
Given the legend of Bob Stitt, I'd be much more concerned about the EMU on a coach's resume than Colorado School of Mines.  (Frankly as far as EMU, we could say School of Mimes and my response would be the same).
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Posted: 1/24/2014 3:09 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
This feels like the beginning of the end.


So if  we hire Isphording  and Johnson is it The Beginning of the End or The Beginning of a New Beginning.

I've heard nothing but good things about his coaching abilities.  Yes, The 2010 class was small.  However, I would not say a total loss.  There were many unfortunate things that happened after the signing day to many of the players and frankly there was not a lot of offers made that year if my memory serves me right.   

So, is that Isphordings fault or is that the fault of all the coaches who are on the recruiting trail.   

I think he would be great addition to our coaching staff.   I predict this will happen soon...
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Posted: 1/24/2014 3:31 PM
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
 Isphording was the architect of the worst recruiting class under Solich (2010), described by one coach as "almost a total loss."....

Without going down the roster name by name, I count only five players who were still with the team this past season
.... And Isphording left us for Eastern Michigan????

Those 5 players man 2 positions. At SLB, Atwell and Grady started most games unless they started in the nickle, in which case they were replaced by Nathan Carpenter, all three from the 2010 class. A walkon, Nieco Teipel also started 2 games at that position.  The other position with players from the 2010 class is FS where Kristoff and Ingol shared time. If every recruiting class only filled 2 positions, you'd be in big trouble. Given that in most years the 22 starters all come from 3 classes, than means that the other 2 classes needed to supply about 10 starters and 10 backups each last year, and will need to again next year. That means that when a class is as bad as 2010, the classes before and after it need to be near perfect, as each needs to supply nearly 20 players to the 2-deep.

He didn't leave Ohio for EMU, he came from there. He left for Toledo. Part of the trouble at Ohio may have been that he was doing the wrong thing. He may be a great QB coach, but at Ohio he was a recruiting coordinator and coached tight ends. Given that Toledo's QB's have been pretty good the last few years, I'll keep an open mind.

in 2013 Toledo's pass efficiency was 128.6 (6th), Ohio's was 134.2 (4th).
In 2012 Toledo's pass efficiency was 133.1 (6th), Ohio's was 144.2 (1st).
In 2011 Toledo's pass efficiency was 160.4 (1st), Ohio's was 150.5 (4th).
in 2010 Toledo's pass efficiency was 134.8 (3rd), Ohio's was 133.2 (4th).
Four year average for Toledo 139.2, Ohio 140.5, not much different.

As for Johnson, the thing on his Bio that intrigued me most was this blurb:
Dave Johnson's Bio at UMass wrote:expand_more
In 2009,.... Of the 855 plays by the offense in 2009, each the five offensive linemen logged in more than 830 plays.

Does he teach different techniques than Lightner? Is that a factor in the high injury rate for Ohio's linemen? I'm not saying that he does, just asking.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 3:39 PM
Rowdy Rufus wrote:expand_more
This feels like the beginning of the end.


So if  we hire Isphording  and Johnson is it The Beginning of the End or The Beginning of a New Beginning.

I've heard nothing but good things about his coaching abilities.  Yes, The 2010 class was small.  However, I would not say a total loss.  There were many unfortunate things that happened after the signing day to many of the players and frankly there was not a lot of offers made that year if my memory serves me right.   

So, is that Isphordings fault or is that the fault of all the coaches who are on the recruiting trail.   

I think he would be great addition to our coaching staff.   I predict this will happen soon...


You see the class in a more positive light than a longtime member of our staff.  2010 turned out to be an awful class and we're feeling the effects.


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Posted: 1/24/2014 4:05 PM
Why are we reduced to bringing in retread coaches from other MAC schools? Why not bring in some younger, fresher blood that has actually spent time at the top levels of college football?
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:23 PM
Someone old, someone new? Someone with a proven track record, or someone with new ideas and energy? Someone who has been a few places and seen a lot of things, or someone who is from Ohio, and loyal?

All we know is that these two interviewed, but I'm sure a number of other people did as well. I can see reasons for hiring these two, but I could also see reasons to choose people like Ganz, Everson, Mooney, or Rodgers. Hopefully Solich chooses wisely. In less than a week we should know.
Last Edited: 1/24/2014 5:24:28 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 8:21 PM
Rowdy Rufus wrote:expand_more
This feels like the beginning of the end.


So if  we hire Isphording  and Johnson is it The Beginning of the End or The Beginning of a New Beginning.

I've heard nothing but good things about his coaching abilities.  Yes, The 2010 class was small.  However, I would not say a total loss.  There were many unfortunate things that happened after the signing day to many of the players and frankly there was not a lot of offers made that year if my memory serves me right.   

So, is that Isphordings fault or is that the fault of all the coaches who are on the recruiting trail.   

I think he would be great addition to our coaching staff.   I predict this will happen soon...

Good prediction, or can it be a prediction if you know?

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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:22 PM
If our coaches are good (and certain poster tells us that they are not good...rather they are god...they are infallible), then they gotta have an idea when turnover is about to occur and they gotta, as a normal, ongoing part of their job, be keeping tabs on potential hires.  Shouldn't be as if 'oh, we have an opening, what will we do?'
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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:34 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If our coaches are good (and certain poster tells us that they are not good...rather they are god...they are infallible), then they gotta have an idea when turnover is about to occur and they gotta, as a normal, ongoing part of their job, be keeping tabs on potential hires.  Shouldn't be as if 'oh, we have an opening, what will we do?'


Is your goal to maximize your posts and minimize your content?

First, our coaches are GOOD!

Second, we don't know when turnover might occur .. the FACT, yes a FACT, is that 3 have been lured away to a BETTER opportunity.

Post away .. soon you'll be at 5000 posts.
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Posted: 1/25/2014 10:23 PM
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I just looked up Isphording and his resume is: "Eastern Michigan, Wittenberg, Colorado School of Mines and Fort Hays State"

He played QB at something called "Hanover College", which after googling I found out is somewhere in Indiana.

What kind of pedigree is that? Backwater after backwater! This is the best we can find? A guy who cut his teeth at the Colorado School of Mines?

Would Steve Hays and Co. hire a new faculty member for the Classics and World Religion department that got their PhD from one of those dumpy schools? No. Its strictly Berkeley, Duke, Oxford and UChicago for those guys. Only the best.

Oh, and you then let him run recruiting? He doesn't even know what a good D1 player looks like! He's only seen them on the TV!
back off of School of Mines, it's rated 91st among national universities. I wish Ohio were rated that high. Now football wise, it's nowhere. That's different.
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