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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:12 PM
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If Blair Brown and Jovon Johnson are out we are in HUGE trouble. Combined with Poling they are the only thing about this defense that actually works.

And to make matters worse, their backups are bunch of walkons. UGGGH.

Saturday could be another one of those classic beat-downs we've grown accustomed to.
I have not been a fan of our linebacker group since about 2007. We must have the smallest linebackers in the country. I am tired of seeing us recruit guys who are barely 210 pounds and never get above 220. Lee Renfro, Alphonso Lewis, Jelani Woseley, Keith Moore, Jovon Johnson, Jake Schaney could all be classified as such. Don't get me wrong, with the exception of Schaney, each of those guys were good players and did some great things for Ohio football, but they were all essentially safeties playing linebacker. Where are my 230+ pound backers? How come you never see something like the image below at Ohio?

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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:12 PM
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I think your injury list should also include Jovon Johnson, Blair Brown, Thad Ingol, Devin Jones, and Blake Scipio, and possibly Herman Brunis or Joe Lowery, neither of whom played against CMU.

The good news is that AJ OUellette, Ian Wells and Brett Layton should all be back. It will be the first game for Layton, if he plays.

Per Arkley, J. Johnson, B. Brown, and Ingol are day to day. Jones is definitely out. Scipio and Layton are back. I haven't seen anything on Brunis or Lowery, as to why they didn't play at CMU, or if they will play against BGSU.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:18 PM
I've also seen mentioned on Twitter that Papi White is back to practice.

How come we haven't seen Zach Murdock play this year? Are Lowery and McCray better options?
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:37 PM
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I have not been a fan of our linebacker group since about 2007. We must have the smallest linebackers in the country. I am tired of seeing us recruit guys who are barely 210 pounds and never get above 220. Lee Renfro, Alphonso Lewis, Jelani Woseley, Keith Moore, Jovon Johnson, Jake Schaney could all be classified as such. Don't get me wrong, with the exception of Schaney, each of those guys were good players and did some great things for Ohio football, but they were all essentially safeties playing linebacker. Where are my 230+ pound backers?

Schaney was actually pretty good sized at 225, and had he not been injured, I think he'd have been a very good player.

I think that if you did a check across the country you'd find a lot of linebackers in the 210-220lb range. With passing now being the main source of yardage, linebackers need to be fast enough to cover, so they tend to be more like safeties. Some schools do have bigger linebackers, but pull them and use the nickle a lot of the time, which is basically the same thing. CMU seemed to use the nickle on every play.

Most years Ohio's MLB's have been 230+, with guys like Muncy (240), Henley (232), Keller (245), and Russell (233). It's just the OLB's that have been mostly 210-220 averaged about 218 over the last 10 years. That didn't start in 2007, though. Michal Graham was 212 and Tyler Russ was 221 in 2005-2006.

FWIW, Ohio's linebackers are bigger this year than in recent years, with Blair Brown at 230, and Ben Russell, if he were healthy, at 233. Jovon Johnson is only 215, but he has slimmed down from 224 and gained speed, so he's pretty solid at that weight. Poling is "little" for MLB, at 219, but he has been doing a good job.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:56 PM
I remember Brandon Atwell being in the 225 range, not so much Schaney. I went back to 2007 and didn't include a guy like Graham since he was not a Solich recruit.

To be fair, we have received verbals under Solich from some linebackers who were already pretty large in high school, but never panned out or even made it to Ohio (Dylan Reda, Jared Brumfield, Joe Morales, a few others whose names I am forgetting).

Aside from Poling, who has played very well thus far, our mikes have been prototypical.

Our two linebacker verbals, Cloud and Glasco, appear to be bigger guys.
Last Edited: 10/7/2014 3:02:38 PM by shabamon
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Posted: 10/7/2014 3:42 PM
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I am a brand new Bobcat fan who recently purchased tickets in the Tower
Section. I knew going into this year that it would be a rebuilding one. All I was hoping for was to watch a team that plays hard every game and shows steady and consistent improvement. The jury is still out on this season's entire body of work.
One thing I do know. The 'Cats have a golden opportunity to make a statement and become one game closer to bowl eligibility this Saturday. We are coming in off of a miserable loss while catching a team that is coming in off of an emotional late-game win. We will have a large ( hopefully raucous) Homecoming crowd, and we are desperate for a win.
Good teams find ways to win games like this at home. Let's go get this and continue to build from there! Bobcats 28-24.
This is my first post and I will appreciate any feedback.
Good contribution...keep posting!

Our linebackers aren't the problem; the problem is little marked activity from the D-line. Little pressure, few sacks against good teams, few TFLs.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 11:15 AM
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This BGSU defense could be exactly what our offense needs, although I'm not feeling that optimistic at the moment. Any success we're going to have is going to stem from better QB play (I assume if Ouellette plays, the run game won't be a problem) so let's hope that Sprague can have a decent day.

Better QB play will stem from better O Line Play. I want to be critical of the QB but I've watched every snap and our QB's have NO time to set up and look for receivers.

Fingers Crossed for this week.....
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Posted: 10/8/2014 11:42 AM
Rowdy Rufus wrote:expand_more
This BGSU defense could be exactly what our offense needs, although I'm not feeling that optimistic at the moment. Any success we're going to have is going to stem from better QB play (I assume if Ouellette plays, the run game won't be a problem) so let's hope that Sprague can have a decent day.

Better QB play will stem from better O Line Play. I want to be critical of the QB but I've watched every snap and our QB's have NO time to set up and look for receivers.

Fingers Crossed for this week.....
Really? Nothing like a post totally devoid of factual basis!!!

OHIO ranks 16th in the nation for fewest sacks allowed, at 1 per game. This young O-Line is doing fine, and getting better. Yes, they were over matched with CMU, but your analysis of not having time, is not factually supported.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 12:16 PM
Blows my mind. From the BGSU game notes.

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18 Robbie Walker (Fr., 5-9, 180, Reston, Va.)
19 Herman Brunis (Fr., 6-0, 170, Fairfield, Ohio)

That two true freshmen can be ahead of a long list of roster athletes that have had a long time with coach Dixon. That is a statement about improved recruiting. JMHO.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 12:24 PM
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This BGSU defense could be exactly what our offense needs, although I'm not feeling that optimistic at the moment. Any success we're going to have is going to stem from better QB play (I assume if Ouellette plays, the run game won't be a problem) so let's hope that Sprague can have a decent day.

Better QB play will stem from better O Line Play. I want to be critical of the QB but I've watched every snap and our QB's have NO time to set up and look for receivers.

Fingers Crossed for this week.....
Really? Nothing like a post totally devoid of factual basis!!!

OHIO ranks 16th in the nation for fewest sacks allowed, at 1 per game. This young O-Line is doing fine, and getting better. Yes, they were over matched with CMU, but your analysis of not having time, is not factually supported.
I think Ohio's line pretty much dominated its opponent in the three wins and was a bit over-matched in the three losses, though the line's play was just one of the many problems in those games. As a whole, the line has been better than I expected, but I'd like to see them play really well against a good team.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 12:25 PM
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Blows my mind. From the BGSU game notes.

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18 Robbie Walker (Fr., 5-9, 180, Reston, Va.)
19 Herman Brunis (Fr., 6-0, 170, Fairfield, Ohio)

That two true freshmen can be ahead of a long list of roster athletes that have had a long time with coach Dixon. That is a statement about improved recruiting. JMHO.
Or a statement of how bad the recruiting was before. Either way, improvement.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 12:46 PM
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I think Ohio's line pretty much dominated its opponent in the three wins and was a bit over-matched in the three losses, though the line's play was just one of the many problems in those games. As a whole, the line has been better than I expected, but I'd like to see them play really well against a good team.

We don't have line grades in the Game Notes anymore, so I can't confirm my opinions using those numbers like I could in the past, but I think you're about right. The worst thing about CMU is that they were able to get pressure, and sacks, using only 6 players in the box, which meant that the receivers were also covered well, with 5 DBs covering 3 receivers. If you think about the passes to Cochran, for example, he always had two DBs on him.

I don't think we will see another defensive line that good this year, and I think the line continues to improve, so I look for improving offensive output as the season goes on.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 12:47 PM
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Blows my mind. From the BGSU game notes.

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18 Robbie Walker (Fr., 5-9, 180, Reston, Va.)
19 Herman Brunis (Fr., 6-0, 170, Fairfield, Ohio)

That two true freshmen can be ahead of a long list of roster athletes that have had a long time with coach Dixon. That is a statement about improved recruiting. JMHO.
Or a statement of how bad the recruiting was before. Either way, improvement.
Not sure why you would even go there. Price, Foster, Brazill, Cochran. WR recruiting and coaching has been just fine at Ohio. Really, why did you feel the need to go there?
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Posted: 10/8/2014 1:02 PM
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Or a statement of how bad the recruiting was before. Either way, improvement.

I don't think the depth chart for WR is all that accurate, or indicative of much. There is about a 8 man rotation, and it includes Cochran, Landon Smith, Sebastian Smith, Bradley, Cope, Brunis, Reid and Walker. Most any of these could be listed at #1 or #2. All have made good plays this year.

Let's take a look at recruiting for WR the last few years:
2010 Cochran, Ingol (moved to safety), Atwell (move to OLB)
2011 L. Smith
2012 S. Smith, Rodriguez, Reid (+verbals from Roger Lewis, Chris Murray)
2013 Wyatt (moved to CB), Cedric Brown, Cope

Most of these guys are also in the WR rotation, or playing/played at another position. It looks to me like the recruiting for WR has in general produced some good athletes. The only ones on this list that we haven't seen yet are Rodriguez, Wyatt, and Cedric Brown, and they are still only Sophomores and Redshirt Freshmen.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 1:05 PM
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Blows my mind. From the BGSU game notes.

X-WR
18 Robbie Walker (Fr., 5-9, 180, Reston, Va.)
19 Herman Brunis (Fr., 6-0, 170, Fairfield, Ohio)

That two true freshmen can be ahead of a long list of roster athletes that have had a long time with coach Dixon. That is a statement about improved recruiting. JMHO.
Or a statement of how bad the recruiting was before. Either way, improvement.
Not sure why you would even go there. Price, Foster, Brazill, Cochran. WR recruiting and coaching has been just fine at Ohio. Really, why did you feel the need to go there?
I don't think he meant long-term recruiting at the position, but just the span of the last four or so years that serves to make up the current depth chart. When freshman are 1 and 2, you either got really good recruits in the past class or you had poor recruits in the few classes before (or a combination).
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Posted: 10/8/2014 1:18 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I don't think he meant long-term recruiting at the position, but just the span of the last four or so years that serves to make up the current depth chart. When freshman are 1 and 2, you either got really good recruits in the past class or you had poor recruits in the few classes before (or a combination).

Or you moved a number of them to other positions, and didn't recruit enough, possibly because of some non-qualifiers or people who don't end up attending for other reasons. In any case, WR is one of the positions where you see true Freshmen playing fairly often. This isn't that unusual.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 4:28 PM
Interesting discussion from BGSU fan site. Below are one BG fan's thoughts.

My thoughts on the program under Solich are mostly positive. Clawson used OU as a model for how to run a program - Solich has done a phenomenal job of recruiting players who make it all four years and he has built workable depth. When a senior graduates from a position, the position is generally filled by an experienced player. We all remember our dropoffs in 2006 and 2010 after big senior classes left, and those dropoffs just don't happen under Solich.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 4:29 PM
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I think Ohio's line pretty much dominated its opponent in the three wins and was a bit over-matched in the three losses, though the line's play was just one of the many problems in those games. As a whole, the line has been better than I expected, but I'd like to see them play really well against a good team.

We don't have line grades in the Game Notes anymore, so I can't confirm my opinions using those numbers like I could in the past, but I think you're about right. The worst thing about CMU is that they were able to get pressure, and sacks, using only 6 players in the box, which meant that the receivers were also covered well, with 5 DBs covering 3 receivers. If you think about the passes to Cochran, for example, he always had two DBs on him.

I don't think we will see another defensive line that good this year, and I think the line continues to improve, so I look for improving offensive output as the season goes on.
Didn't we use four wideouts a lot vs. CMU (and in other games)? I seem to remember a lot of sets with the qb, one rb, and five linemen--that leaves four receivers? It does seem from the vidcast view that our receivers are open a lot less than what we give the opposition.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:20 PM
Watching the line on this one has been very interesting. It opened with Ohio as a 3.25 point favorite. The early money took BG, and pushed the line up to +2, and since then the money has been in favor of Ohio. It was Ohio+1 yesterday, and today it's a pick-em.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:15 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Blows my mind. From the BGSU game notes.

X-WR
18 Robbie Walker (Fr., 5-9, 180, Reston, Va.)
19 Herman Brunis (Fr., 6-0, 170, Fairfield, Ohio)

That two true freshmen can be ahead of a long list of roster athletes that have had a long time with coach Dixon. That is a statement about improved recruiting. JMHO.
Or a statement of how bad the recruiting was before. Either way, improvement.
Not sure why you would even go there. Price, Foster, Brazill, Cochran. WR recruiting and coaching has been just fine at Ohio. Really, why did you feel the need to go there?
UpSan answered the question, but really, you need to relax.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:36 AM
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I think Ohio's line pretty much dominated its opponent in the three wins and was a bit over-matched in the three losses, though the line's play was just one of the many problems in those games. As a whole, the line has been better than I expected, but I'd like to see them play really well against a good team.

We don't have line grades in the Game Notes anymore, so I can't confirm my opinions using those numbers like I could in the past, but I think you're about right. The worst thing about CMU is that they were able to get pressure, and sacks, using only 6 players in the box, which meant that the receivers were also covered well, with 5 DBs covering 3 receivers. If you think about the passes to Cochran, for example, he always had two DBs on him.

I don't think we will see another defensive line that good this year, and I think the line continues to improve, so I look for improving offensive output as the season goes on.
Didn't we use four wideouts a lot vs. CMU (and in other games)? I seem to remember a lot of sets with the qb, one rb, and five linemen--that leaves four receivers? It does seem from the vidcast view that our receivers are open a lot less than what we give the opposition.

I think it was vs. EIU we went with a 5 wide formation several times, 2 to one side and 3 to the other. If I remember correctly, we had the RB line up in the slot to the 2 side and a TE in the slot on the 3 side. I don't know that I remember us ever previously going to that formation as often as we did in that game.

If our O line can handle the rush vs BG, I think an interesting twist on this would be to move the RB to the same side as the 3 (so you get 1 and 4 wide) with Cochran as the lone WR to his side. You lose the play action element, but you almost force the D to cover Cochran 1 on 1 there, or else someone on the other side will be open.

Another variant would be to leave it 2 and 3, but send the RB in motion towards the 3 and fake the jet sweep to him to add the play action element back in.

But, again, this all presupposes O Line protection. Hopefully we don't see another D Line as good as CMU's (I really didn't think I would be writing that sentence 6 weeks ago).
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:21 AM
Player comments on this week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV6sjS237vM
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Posted: 10/9/2014 12:55 PM
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This BGSU defense could be exactly what our offense needs, although I'm not feeling that optimistic at the moment. Any success we're going to have is going to stem from better QB play (I assume if Ouellette plays, the run game won't be a problem) so let's hope that Sprague can have a decent day.

Better QB play will stem from better O Line Play. I want to be critical of the QB but I've watched every snap and our QB's have NO time to set up and look for receivers.

Fingers Crossed for this week.....
Really? Nothing like a post totally devoid of factual basis!!!

OHIO ranks 16th in the nation for fewest sacks allowed, at 1 per game. This young O-Line is doing fine, and getting better. Yes, they were over matched with CMU, but your analysis of not having time, is not factually supported.

Seriously, I challenge you to run a stop watch on our QB vs others. I would say keep it simple and just do the Marshall game. Tell me this is not factual evidence that our QB's have only a fraction of the time to set up. We also don't give up as many sacks based on the fact we run the ball more than Most teams in college football. Im curious if there is a stat to reflect that.

While we are on the subject of factual evidence. How many of us on here have "Factual Evidence" to back up every statement. Most everyones comments stem from visual validations.. Im sorry but being ranked 16th is not a true tell of how well the OL is doing opening up holes or giving the QB enough time to see the field or enough time for our WR to separate from DB's. I agree we do not take sakes as much as most teams but this may be due to the fact we don't throw as often as most. I wish there was a stat for how we rank in QB time in the Pocket or how many times our QB is flushed out of the pocket and forced to pull down the pass and run.

I agree with you on the fact that our OL is young and getting better. I would agree that 100% and that is a FACT and the its Based on Visual Validation. Same as you.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 2:50 PM
After looking at the injury report on the front page, I am beginning to wonder if I really should go to the game! Then again, it is Athens in October and I was there in the 80s and 90s so,why not?
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