+1 All excellent points that seem to be ignored by a certain segment of this board. These fall into three distinct groups: 1. Those who truly want OHIO football to get better but don't really understand football, can't evaluate talent, and don't understand the difference between building a football team and building a football program (a subset of these has a tendency to trip over their own egos). 2. Those who truly love OHIO football, but are just very impatient and live in constant fear of returning to our Wilderness Years. 3. Those who want OHIO football to fail, usually so that we can pour extra resources into basketball. There's probably a fourth group, too, that's made up of folks who just get their kicks out of being negative.

I would agree with this. I remember the Fire Larry Hunter web page with the bouncing Larry head, and the constant complaint to fire him for only winning 1 title in 11 seasons. Today the investment is significantly higher than in those days.

OCF, I'd say I am pretty much a #2 guy. Like you, I've loved OHIO FB for close to 50 years! And, at 65, I am impatient for another MACC! The one thing I do not do, however, is fret over that every minute of every day (it's more like only on Saturdays in the Fall thing).

As for Situation, I guess he is 24 and a youngster. So, once he is 65 and lived a full life I'll let him tell me all about it.

As for the Situation's "facts"...they would be great if we were talking about Kansas State and Bill Snyder. I will give him FS was in a National Championship game, a two time Champ in the Big 8, and a Coach of the year in the Big 8. Which is why when we hired him, I, like many thought better days were ahead. And they were...except for that MACC thing and the seeming decline in the project of building a program over the last three years.

I have stated FS has done some outstanding things for OHIO. He has taken us from the outhouse to indoor plumbing and respectability but not the Penthouse! When he was hired, I knew he could make us respectable. It just seems to me that the last three years have not been the trajectory I (and probably most) thought we would be on in year ten of this program. I am hopeful that next year we return to the Top two or three of the MAC and finally get the monkey of FS and all of our backs.

Stay tuned...

I don't know what must be more frustrating for you...

- Waiting to for a MAC Championship
- or having every conversation with someone your own age end in a stalemate.

Some people like to think of themselves as a fine wine that gets better with time.

Maybe others are actually a more like rock, which gets weaker fighting the wind and the rain as the years go by.

Could you be more of an arrogant, inconsiderate, know-it-all arse? (hint: it'd be difficult)

It's truly awesome how smart you think you are versus everyone else and all their years of experience.

I hear the pot talking to the kettle, over and over and over and over again.

Situation...I am curious as to whether or not you are looking for a job. If so, I'd like to offer you one...as my boss. I would expect that after increasing sales and productivity from the bottom of the barrel to respectable levels, it would be acceptable to then settle for a mediocre status quo year in and year out without fear of losing my job.

Unfortunately, in the real world many of us are measured in growth in some way or another. Whether it is productivity, sales, efficiency, employee retention, etc. most businesses like to see increases and growth amongst their departments, teams, employees, etc.

So, with that said, I'm not on the Fire Frank bandwagon yet. I can see the frustration amongst the alumni growing and understand it. I also believe that this last recruiting class, coupled with the next one, are Frank's last chance. Without marked improvement on the field, frustration with continue to mount and Schaus will have a decision to make.

Baylor and TCU are in the Power 5. Ohio is not. We are never going to be on par with Baylor or TCU. The comparison doesn't fit. There are no deep pocket alums sitting on the sideline. We are always going to be a mid-major. And mid-majors have up and down seasons/spells. That's who we are. And, the Power 5 is made sure schools like Ohio get no better with all their recent moves. They won. It is over. No need to dream about any sort of sustained top 10 greatness.

Solich's contributions to Ohio football are far deeper than just the wins and losses of the last 3 years. Unless we see some 2-10 records, he leaves when he wants.

Touché! Akron's $61 million (or thereabouts) football stadium isn't too shabby either. Or BG's Sebo Athletic Center.

Ohio has definitely upgraded their football facilities over the years but they have been significantly outspent by some other MAC schools.

Allow me to elaborate then.

I currently have a working hypothesis that a reasonable person on this board may conclude we both are delusional (That's not my personable belief; but I can see how reasonable people who take a glance sporadically at our posts with no real intention of reading to comprehend may conclude that). I don't believe a reasonable person can conclude that you are not delusional and I am delusional.

Therefore, I addressed b2nc's comment, which can be taken 1 of 2 ways.

Way #1:

b2nc was calling me a hypocrite.

"Pot, Kettle, Black" labels the pot a hypocrite. The pot does not realize or does not acknowledge that he himself is black.

Religion aside, that quote is from the best selling book in human history. And it addresses hypocrisy in the way I feel most people, including b2nc would address hypocrisy.

b2nc may have been calling me out for crimes I'm alleging you of committing. But as I respond to Jesus' quote from the Bible, hypocrisy is irrelevant. If we are to determine if you, Monroe, are making yet another logically invalid statement. My allegedly logically invalid statements are irrelevant. It's irrelevant that I may potentially be a hypocrite.

Way #2:

b2nc was calling me delusional, but not calling you delusional.

A common mis-conception nowadays with "Pot, Kettle, Black" is that the pot and kettle are both black.

The kettle is not black. The kettle has a shiny reflection (copper or steel) and therefore when pot looks at the kettle, the pot sees their own reflection and concludes the kettle is also black. This is a delusion.

So I addressed Way #2 as well.

In conclusion:

b2nc, do you think Monroe is the kettle? Am I the kettle? Or were you just operating under the common misconception of "Pot, Kettle, Black"?

Now we have to discuss what do we each mean by "lately." Then, do we have to be all-inclusive during the term or can we cherry pick?

My final message on this topic...Situation, you accuse Monroe of not listening to reason and relentless hammering the same nail. All I was saying is that you appear to be doing the same thing. Maybe I used the wrong phrase but that is a commonly accepted use of the pot and kettle phrase.



I am not "taking sides" in this topic but I do have my own opinion. That opinion is that the past 3 seasons have looked to me to be a regression or at least a standstill of what was steady progression. The end of the season was an improvement and may point to better things again. However, if improving from lousy to mediocre is our goal then that is not good enough from my perspective. I am not comparing Frank to anyone else and I don't have any idea who might make a difference. My only point has been that sometimes it takes more than one change to get to the end goal. Maybe Frank was only the first step of bringing us closer. If there is more to come from Frank then I will be very happy to see it. If, on the the other hand, Frank has put Ohio in a better place for better things to come then I do not see that as a failure.


That is all.

I usually stay out of this but couldn't resist....
Situation -
So you are you are implying that you will put the 'team' on your back like Bassett did in that great tourney run? You do realize he left Indiana because it was too difficult after a coaching change? And then left us early to play in the developmental league. He had his universities' best interest in mind.
I live in Columbus and like many of you have to butt heads with osu fans all the time, defending our university. If I can't question what's happening in Athens here with like minded fans, where would you like me to go to do that?
I find you exhausting on these type of threads.