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Casper71
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Posted: 12/2/2014 12:43 PM
Situation, Monroe, and others...my last comment on this thread: I repeat, people on a Board like this being negative has minimal if any impact on the program. The players, the coaches and the administration of Ohio University do not make their decisions based on what 1 or 2 or 5 or 10 or 100 on BobcatAttack.com say (unlike at perhaps the P5 schools). We all have the Athletics Department best interests at heart we just see the program through different eyes and experiences.

Now, can we let this string go to the back pages?
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Posted: 12/2/2014 1:22 PM
No jameshallunited. My Armon Bassett photo is not symbolic of the type of contribution I hope to bring to this university. I do not believe I'm going to put Ohio University on my back like Armon did in the NCAA tourny run. People sure do love to make up philosophical positions of the artist by looking at their pictures. At least that's what I learned in Art 110.

Swank made a comment about me changing the Armon Bassett photo to someone "more representative of the OU I want you all to be". Well to be honest I'm not quite sure I know what Alan thinks I want us all to be.

How free Alan is to overlook the positive contributions that Armon made to this university. Armon's positive contributions to OHIO far outweigh the negative. That's why I referenced situational ethics.

At the time Armon set the NCAA record for points in a conference tournament. And then dropped 32 on Georgetown. He did put the team on his back. And then he found himself in a tough position in the offseason when a Courtside doorman created a difficult situation that could've been avoided if either party backed down. Armon had no choice but to leave when the dust settled.

I lived on the 2nd floor of James Hall the night OHIO beat Georgetown. OHIO dominated Georgetown. I hopped in the car with three other buddies the next morning and we drove to Providence to watch us play the next game against Tennessee. A cornerback for the Oakland Raiders was in that car. The Armon photo, if nothing else, is a tribute to the memories that most people here can thank Armon Bassett for.

P.S.

Armon's 32 points against Georgetown led OHIO to their first NCAA tournament win since 1983.

Some posters here don't understand the guys that produce results don't always fit the perfect picture they have in their mind's eye. There's nothing posters here can do to change Armon Bassett. And there's nothing posters here can do to change Frank Solich. Nitpick if you choose to, but boy did those guys get $#!t done for Ohio University.

What most people think it's going to take to get something done and what it actually takes to literally get something done usually isn't even close.
Last Edited: 12/2/2014 3:03:04 PM by The Situation
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Posted: 12/2/2014 1:25 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
I repeat, people on a Board like this being negative has minimal if any impact on the program.
Allegedly.

I said it before. The public can fire, but the public can't hire.

What is a message board but public opinion amplified?
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Posted: 12/2/2014 3:58 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
. . . What most people think it's going to take to get something done and what it actually takes to literally get something done usually isn't even close.
+1 I had a much longer post not too long ago where I took a long paragraph or two to say what this compact sentences does. This is very precise, pithy and profound!
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Posted: 12/2/2014 4:33 PM
OUBobcat13 wrote:expand_more
I hear the pot talking to the kettle, over and over and over and over again.
Matthew 7:3

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

I'll tell you why Jesus..

Hypocrisy is irrelevant when assessing the validity of an argument.

If we are attempting to determine if there is something in Monroe's eye. The plank in my eye is not relevant.

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b2nc,

Who between Monroe and myself do you believe to be the kettle? I'll assume your stake is in Monroe the kettle.

After all, the kettle is supposed to have the metallic finish and the pot is the cooking utility living in denial.

"Pot, kettle, black" is not a break even allegation.
Whatever you're ingesting, you oughta cut it down.

Quoting the bible--please don't tell me that you're one of the Religious Right who allow no viewpoint other than their own.

I can't even figure out what you're trying to say above. When I get fringe, it's intentional and with whimsy. When you do it....it's frightening.
Allow me to elaborate then.

I currently have a working hypothesis that a reasonable person on this board may conclude we both are delusional (That's not my personable belief; but I can see how reasonable people who take a glance sporadically at our posts with no real intention of reading to comprehend may conclude that). I don't believe a reasonable person can conclude that you are not delusional and I am delusional.

Therefore, I addressed b2nc's comment, which can be taken 1 of 2 ways.

Way #1:

b2nc was calling me a hypocrite.

"Pot, Kettle, Black" labels the pot a hypocrite. The pot does not realize or does not acknowledge that he himself is black.

Religion aside, that quote is from the best selling book in human history. And it addresses hypocrisy in the way I feel most people, including b2nc would address hypocrisy.

b2nc may have been calling me out for crimes I'm alleging you of committing. But as I respond to Jesus' quote from the Bible, hypocrisy is irrelevant. If we are to determine if you, Monroe, are making yet another logically invalid statement. My allegedly logically invalid statements are irrelevant. It's irrelevant that I may potentially be a hypocrite.

Way #2:

b2nc was calling me delusional, but not calling you delusional.

A common mis-conception nowadays with "Pot, Kettle, Black" is that the pot and kettle are both black.

The kettle is not black. The kettle has a shiny reflection (copper or steel) and therefore when pot looks at the kettle, the pot sees their own reflection and concludes the kettle is also black. This is a delusion.

So I addressed Way #2 as well.

In conclusion:

b2nc, do you think Monroe is the kettle? Am I the kettle? Or were you just operating under the common misconception of "Pot, Kettle, Black"?
Is this really where this thread has gone? Can't we come back to the basic premise of the argument here, which I read as "Despite what Franky has done for our program, do alumni have a right to ask "What have you done for me lately?"

Troublemaker! (jk)
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Posted: 12/2/2014 6:14 PM
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Baylor and TCU are in the Power 5. Ohio is not. We are never going to be on par with Baylor or TCU. The comparison doesn't fit. There are no deep pocket alums sitting on the sideline.
You know, it's interesting. I'm just a few hours from Fort Worth, but nobody around here cares about TCU. At all. I could probably count on one hand the number of shirts and hats I've seen around the city.
What about Baylor? I assume folks are mainly Texas fans. And then some A&M?
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Posted: 12/2/2014 8:12 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Baylor and TCU are in the Power 5. Ohio is not. We are never going to be on par with Baylor or TCU. The comparison doesn't fit. There are no deep pocket alums sitting on the sideline.
You know, it's interesting. I'm just a few hours from Fort Worth, but nobody around here cares about TCU. At all. I could probably count on one hand the number of shirts and hats I've seen around the city.
What about Baylor? I assume folks are mainly Texas fans. And then some A&M?
Here you go:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa...
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Posted: 12/3/2014 12:12 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Baylor and TCU are in the Power 5. Ohio is not. We are never going to be on par with Baylor or TCU. The comparison doesn't fit. There are no deep pocket alums sitting on the sideline.
You know, it's interesting. I'm just a few hours from Fort Worth, but nobody around here cares about TCU. At all. I could probably count on one hand the number of shirts and hats I've seen around the city.
What about Baylor? I assume folks are mainly Texas fans. And then some A&M?
Houston is solidly A&M territory. Some people care about the U of H, but not really. Texas a distant second with some Baylor here and there. I see billboards for Oklahoma around the city, which is interesting. A fair amount of LSU fans, actually. Might see that more than Baylor.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 12:49 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Baylor and TCU are in the Power 5. Ohio is not. We are never going to be on par with Baylor or TCU. The comparison doesn't fit. There are no deep pocket alums sitting on the sideline. We are always going to be a mid-major. And mid-majors have up and down seasons/spells. That's who we are.
Its not that I see us matching the money of TCU or Baylor football salaries only that I see a movement in the athletic department to becoming more donor focused with the possibility of a large keep the coach salary if the performance justifies it. The academic center is doubling as infrastructure to elicit donors. The school is growing. Half of the alumni base has graduated since 1995. Its only the last 5 years or so that football and basketball programs have shown consistent winning. Saul takes us to an elite 8 in a few years and you'll see pockets open up. A 2 million dollar basketball coach possibly. The donations have to be there for a 2 million salary and I believe some day they will be if the school continues its trajectory.
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