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Posted: 11/15/2025 9:47 PM
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I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
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Posted: 11/15/2025 11:15 PM
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STVCastle wrote:expand_more
I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
This season is not going to look good on his resume going forward. If he survives this year and wins 5-6 next year and 7-8 the next, he may make it. Otherwise he’s going to end his head coach hopes in the future.
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Posted: 11/16/2025 7:46 AM
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Everybody lost in this deal: Timmy, who destroyed his legacy in Athens and likely his career as a head coach by jumping to a job that turned out to be lower paying; and Ohio fans, who could/should be enjoying a trip back to Ford Field and back to back titles. No way does Albin lose at Ball State. This team is just barely above mediocre. Charlotte lost as well.
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Posted: 11/16/2025 10:12 AM
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Everybody lost in this deal: Timmy, who destroyed his legacy in Athens and likely his career as a head coach by jumping to a job that turned out to be lower paying; and Ohio fans, who could/should be enjoying a trip back to Ford Field and back to back titles. No way does Albin lose at Ball State. This team is just barely above mediocre. Charlotte lost as well.
Just curious. What reason or reasons led to your assertion "No way does Albin lose at Ball State."
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Posted: 11/16/2025 11:58 AM
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I've seen troubling signs of a lack of accountability in this team. I've twice watched Parker Navarro return to the sideline after throwing a terrible interception only to shrug his shoulders and smile at the coach.

I'm far from an Albin apologist but his teams (beyond year one) had a lot more toughness. And so did Albin. I remember a game at Akron 3 (?) years ago, on a very cold day, when Albin lit into his team at halftime and had the heated sideline benches unplugged and moved. We dominated the second half. We needed that in Muncie.
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Posted: 11/16/2025 12:13 PM
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I've seen troubling signs of a lack of accountability in this team. I've twice watched Parker Navarro return to the sideline after throwing a terrible interception only to shrug his shoulders and smile at the coach.

I'm far from an Albin apologist but his teams (beyond year one) had a lot more toughness. And so did Albin. I remember a game at Akron 3 (?) years ago, on a very cold day, when Albin lit into his team at halftime and had the heated sideline benches unplugged and moved. We dominated the second half. We needed that in Muncie.
Hard for me to believe that the dude who bailed on a bus ride back from Detroit the moment news broke of the Charlotte job is somehow a paramount of accountability.
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Posted: 11/16/2025 12:14 PM
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SBH wrote:expand_more
I've seen troubling signs of a lack of accountability in this team. I've twice watched Parker Navarro return to the sideline after throwing a terrible interception only to shrug his shoulders and smile at the coach.

I'm far from an Albin apologist but his teams (beyond year one) had a lot more toughness. And so did Albin. I remember a game at Akron 3 (?) years ago, on a very cold day, when Albin lit into his team at halftime and had the heated sideline benches unplugged and moved. We dominated the second half. We needed that in Muncie.
Since you speculate any of us can do the same. If Albin would have stayed, Parker Navarro likely goes for bigger NIL as he would rather have a coach to smile at vs one who would take his gloves away on a cold day. With Albin still in Athens in 2025, without Navarro this season and Ohio loses to BGSU and Eastern as well. All counterfactual history!
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Posted: 11/16/2025 12:56 PM
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Smith knew Navarro, having recruited him previously, but Albin is the one who hosted him and sold him on Ohio.
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Posted: 11/16/2025 1:31 PM
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Everybody lost in this deal: Timmy, who destroyed his legacy in Athens and likely his career as a head coach by jumping to a job that turned out to be lower paying; and Ohio fans, who could/should be enjoying a trip back to Ford Field and back to back titles. No way does Albin lose at Ball State. This team is just barely above mediocre. Charlotte lost as well.
Just curious. What reason or reasons led to your assertion "No way does Albin lose at Ball State."
I’m old enough to remember that Albin went 3-9 in his first season as a head coach.
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Posted: 11/16/2025 1:55 PM
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Nowhere did I state that I want Tim Albin back. I just wish our rookie HC would demand more of his team.
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Posted: 11/16/2025 4:46 PM
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Nowhere did I state that I want Tim Albin back. I just wish our rookie HC would demand more of his team.
As you said, he is a rookie head coach, and he's learning a lot about himself and his team. we've had some rookie head coaches not be this productive but still have good careers. I wish we were clicking better right now too and I believe coach Smith will adjust. The portal giveth and the portal taketh away, but we have to rebuild our culture every year with the losses we've sustained and still almost won 2-3 against power schools and we're still in the title race. the MAC is also much more competitive than in recent years. Umass is the only freebie win.
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Posted: 11/17/2025 8:39 AM
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I agree it seems Smith could use a little more fire, hopefully that comes with experience.
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Posted: 11/17/2025 9:52 AM
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I believe that Smith is going to be a very good head coach, but this is just his first year in that role. He has Ohio in contention for the top of the MAC, and Ohio had good games in the OOC part of the schedule, too. I think it's more likely that he'll be hired away in a few year than it is that he will be terminated. His first year is certainly a lot better than Tim's first year, or Frank's, for that matter, though, in fairness, he did inherit a better team.
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I believe that Smith is going to be a very good head coach, but this is just his first year in that role. He has Ohio in contention for the top of the MAC, and Ohio had good games in the OOC part of the schedule, too. I think it's more likely that he'll be hired away in a few year than it is that he will be terminated. His first year is certainly a lot better than Tim's first year, or Frank's, for that matter, though, in fairness, he did inherit a better team.
What if it becomes a Jason Candle type situation where Ohio locks him up with a longer term contract? In the past the coach the won the MAC could expect a head job in the P4 but that is no longer a given anymore.
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Posted: 11/17/2025 9:21 PM
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It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become.
What's the scam, exactly?
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
An institution such as Penn State has multiple options to avoid paying $57,000,000 in dead money for James Franklin not to coach. They just chose not to exercise any of them.

1) They could have let Franklin coach out the remaining years on the contract. Voila: NO DEAD MONEY

2) They could use annual contracts. Sure, they'd probably have to take a MUCH bigger budget hit each year (bigger salary in exchange for little/no security), but they wouldn't have any dead money

3) [Somewhat less sarcastic] they could trying to negotiate paying him less money each year for more years (e.g. instead of 8 million/year for 7 years, 4 million/year for 20 years, numbers made up). This wouldn't reduce the total amount of dead money, but it would reduce the annual impact...until they fire their next coach in less than 20 years
I'd add:

4) They -- and other college football programs -- could actually use program revenue to pay their coaches and run their operations in a sustainable way instead of using donor money to increase coaching salaries. Doing so 1) artificially inflates the market rates going to coaches, and 2) gives donors outsized power in coaching decisions.

There's a reason college coaches negotiate such aggressive guarantees and buyouts -- because there's basically no job security or patience amongst elite college football programs. Donors paying for coaches is a big part of that. It's also a very big part of how schools pay the buyouts.

as expected - resulted in a settlement not for $57 million, but $9 as Franklin signs with Virginia tech
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Posted: 11/18/2025 12:31 AM
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cc-cat wrote:expand_more
It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become.
What's the scam, exactly?
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
An institution such as Penn State has multiple options to avoid paying $57,000,000 in dead money for James Franklin not to coach. They just chose not to exercise any of them.

1) They could have let Franklin coach out the remaining years on the contract. Voila: NO DEAD MONEY

2) They could use annual contracts. Sure, they'd probably have to take a MUCH bigger budget hit each year (bigger salary in exchange for little/no security), but they wouldn't have any dead money

3) [Somewhat less sarcastic] they could trying to negotiate paying him less money each year for more years (e.g. instead of 8 million/year for 7 years, 4 million/year for 20 years, numbers made up). This wouldn't reduce the total amount of dead money, but it would reduce the annual impact...until they fire their next coach in less than 20 years
I'd add:

4) They -- and other college football programs -- could actually use program revenue to pay their coaches and run their operations in a sustainable way instead of using donor money to increase coaching salaries. Doing so 1) artificially inflates the market rates going to coaches, and 2) gives donors outsized power in coaching decisions.

There's a reason college coaches negotiate such aggressive guarantees and buyouts -- because there's basically no job security or patience amongst elite college football programs. Donors paying for coaches is a big part of that. It's also a very big part of how schools pay the buyouts.

as expected - resulted in a settlement not for $57 million, but $9 as Franklin signs with Virginia tech
That's interesting. When Frank came here, Nebraska paid him the difference between his OHIO salary and his Nebraska contract for the length of the Nebraka contract. I believe that lasted for his first two and half years at OHIO. It's my understanding that that is the usual practice. I wonder why Franklin didn't hold PSU to the contact? I can't believe it would be because the numbers were so outrageous. Nobody seems to care about that kind of thing today. Money rules.
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become.


What's the scam, exactly?


It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.


An institution such as Penn State has multiple options to avoid paying $57,000,000 in dead money for James Franklin not to coach. They just chose not to exercise any of them.

1) They could have let Franklin coach out the remaining years on the contract. Voila: NO DEAD MONEY

2) They could use annual contracts. Sure, they'd probably have to take a MUCH bigger budget hit each year (bigger salary in exchange for little/no security), but they wouldn't have any dead money

3) [Somewhat less sarcastic] they could trying to negotiate paying him less money each year for more years (e.g. instead of 8 million/year for 7 years, 4 million/year for 20 years, numbers made up). This wouldn't reduce the total amount of dead money, but it would reduce the annual impact...until they fire their next coach in less than 20 years


I'd add:

4) They -- and other college football programs -- could actually use program revenue to pay their coaches and run their operations in a sustainable way instead of using donor money to increase coaching salaries. Doing so 1) artificially inflates the market rates going to coaches, and 2) gives donors outsized power in coaching decisions.

There's a reason college coaches negotiate such aggressive guarantees and buyouts -- because there's basically no job security or patience amongst elite college football programs. Donors paying for coaches is a big part of that. It's also a very big part of how schools pay the buyouts.



as expected - resulted in a settlement not for $57 million, but $9 as Franklin signs with Virginia tech


That's interesting. When Frank came here, Nebraska paid him the difference between his OHIO salary and his Nebraska contract for the length of the Nebraka contract. I believe that lasted for his first two and half years at OHIO. It's my understanding that that is the usual practice. I wonder why Franklin didn't hold PSU to the contact? I can't believe it would be because the numbers were so outrageous. Nobody seems to care about that kind of thing today. Money rules.


Because in most of these contracts (like Franklin and Kelly) there is an obligation to mitigate. Both must make efforts to secure similar employment at market rates. Penn State would be on the hook for the difference. Or you can negotiate a settlement as done here.
 

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Posted: 11/18/2025 11:36 AM
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That's interesting. When Frank came here, Nebraska paid him the difference between his OHIO salary and his Nebraska contract for the length of the Nebraka contract. I believe that lasted for his first two and half years at OHIO. It's my understanding that that is the usual practice. I wonder why Franklin didn't hold PSU to the contact? I can't believe it would be because the numbers were so outrageous. Nobody seems to care about that kind of thing today. Money rules.
he did hold them to the contract... as did they hold him.

PSU was on the hook for any difference in his Va Tech contract and his PSU contract. sum is probable a bit north of $9 (but not much) - the negotiation means he is taking the difference in lump sum vs. each year - Ala the lottery approach.
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Posted: 11/19/2025 7:02 AM
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I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
Some of you have ZERO idea on why Coach Albin left for Charlotte! Most of you don't know the man and have never talked to him. Did any of you ask him why he left Ohio University? Many of you continue to ridicule the Coach who brought the Bobcats the only league title in the last 56 years. You continue to bash the guy who was the most successful Coach in the MAC during his tenure as head coach in Athens. Do you think that your constant criticism of Coach Albin will help you sleep better at night?
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Posted: 11/19/2025 5:09 PM
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Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
Some of you have ZERO idea on why Coach Albin left for Charlotte! Most of you don't know the man and have never talked to him. Did any of you ask him why he left Ohio University? Many of you continue to ridicule the Coach who brought the Bobcats the only league title in the last 56 years. You continue to bash the guy who was the most successful Coach in the MAC during his tenure as head coach in Athens. Do you think that your constant criticism of Coach Albin will help you sleep better at night?
Not a Albin basher at all, he is a good coach. I don’t know why he left and I guess I don’t care. That is his business. I think the way he left was classless, but that’s just my opinion.
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Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
Some of you have ZERO idea on why Coach Albin left for Charlotte!
So why don't you tell us.
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Posted: 11/20/2025 8:18 PM
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Big Willy wrote:expand_more
I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
Some of you have ZERO idea on why Coach Albin left for Charlotte!
So why don't you tell us.
Here we go!

There are like 17 rolls of microfilm of 1996's comments on the topic--please, no more!
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Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
Some of you have ZERO idea on why Coach Albin left for Charlotte! Most of you don't know the man and have never talked to him. Did any of you ask him why he left Ohio University? Many of you continue to ridicule the Coach who brought the Bobcats the only league title in the last 56 years. You continue to bash the guy who was the most successful Coach in the MAC during his tenure as head coach in Athens. Do you think that your constant criticism of Coach Albin will help you sleep better at night?
I'm sleeping just fine.

OU has the chance at another 10 win season, meanwhile Albin is about to lose by 75 to Georgia to finish 1-11.



I think one team in green is sleeping a whole lot better than the other.
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Posted: 11/21/2025 11:29 AM
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M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
I asked this question the moment Albin left for Charlotte:

"Does he really think he's stepping into a better situation there?"

Now I'll ask this question again... And the obvious answer to it is "No."
Some of you have ZERO idea on why Coach Albin left for Charlotte! Most of you don't know the man and have never talked to him. Did any of you ask him why he left Ohio University? Many of you continue to ridicule the Coach who brought the Bobcats the only league title in the last 56 years. You continue to bash the guy who was the most successful Coach in the MAC during his tenure as head coach in Athens. Do you think that your constant criticism of Coach Albin will help you sleep better at night?
I'm sleeping just fine.

OU has the chance at another 10 win season, meanwhile Albin is about to lose by 75 to Georgia to finish 1-11.

I think one team in green is sleeping a whole lot better than the other.
If we’re comparing apples to apples, Timmy’s first season as head coach he went 3-9 before all the NIL and transfer portal things came to a head. At worst Coach Smith is going to go 7-6 his first year.
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If we’re comparing apples to apples, Timmy’s first season as head coach he went 3-9 before all the NIL and transfer portal things came to a head. At worst Coach Smith is going to go 7-6 his first year.

There really isn't an apples to apples comparison possible. Probably the closest I can come up with is this:
1. In his first year as Ohio head coach, Albin was 3-9. Since 2020 wasn't really a season, we can compare it to 2019, when Ohio was 7-6, so call it -3.5 (4 less wins, 3 more losses).
2. In his first year at Charlotte, Albin will almost certainly finish 1-11, down from 5-7 last year. Call that -4.
3. In his first year at Ohio, Smith could end up anywhere from 7-6 to 10-4, down from 11-3. That could be anywhere from -3.5 (4 less wins, 3 more losses) to -1.

Both have some dropoff in their first year, but hopefully both drops will be short-lived. I think Smith and Albin are both fine coaches, and I hope both have a better 2d year than first year.

Now, back to the task at hand. Beat Buffalo, and hope the tiebreakers shake out in a good way, and win all remaining games.
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