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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:08 AM
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Let the kid go. But get the kid's head coach to be Offensive Coordinator averaging 58 per game! I know, what would he know about COLLEGE football...
Runs much of the same offense as OHIO University, with the exception; NEVER uses a TE, NEVER has 2 backs in the house even in form of an H or a slot, and NEVER goes under center. Those things alone would drive a few of you absolutely bonkers!
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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:08 AM
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That is great for Joe, and great for Athens. We're going to head up the road to cheer on the Bulldogs over at OSU in an hour.

Of course it's a long shot for him to be so highly touted and choose Ohio, but I'm not so sure he'll be a lock to stick with the Buckeyes either. He's virtually assured to sit until his 4th year (RS JR) minimum if he goes there, short of a situation where multiple guys go down in front of him. Would be a shame to see another potential star rot on the sidelines, but we gotta remember it's his choice not ours.

GOOD LUCK ATHENS!

If you've watched this young man at all, how can you honestly make such a comment? On what do you base such an opinion?
Why would it be so wrong to choose OHIO the State University? I agree w/ McBin
It's not "wrong", its just not the young mans choice.
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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:13 AM
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Let the kid go. But get the kid's head coach to be Offensive Coordinator averaging 58 per game! I know, what would he know about COLLEGE football...
Next year we will see if it was the coach or the athletes.
I grew up in Athens. In the early 90's Ohio had a new coach, and Athens got a new starting quarter back for one year in Bubba Lichtenberg. We went to the state play offs that year (my freshman year). In the three years that followed, I'm pretty sure that Athens won 1 game.

From what I have heard, after this year there is a good chance that Athens could return to that early 90's form (post Lichtenberg).

Great game by the Bulldogs last night!
Athens will not be in the State Finals next year, but they are a far cry from the 1990's
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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:16 AM
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That is great for Joe, and great for Athens. We're going to head up the road to cheer on the Bulldogs over at OSU in an hour.

Of course it's a long shot for him to be so highly touted and choose Ohio, but I'm not so sure he'll be a lock to stick with the Buckeyes either. He's virtually assured to sit until his 4th year (RS JR) minimum if he goes there, short of a situation where multiple guys go down in front of him. Would be a shame to see another potential star rot on the sidelines, but we gotta remember it's his choice not ours.

GOOD LUCK ATHENS!
If you've watched this young man at all, how can you honestly make such a comment? On what do you base such an opinion?
Do you honestly think they will bench JT Barrett in favor of Burrow? No chance. He could be Joe Montana and he still isn't going to jump such a highly successful and respected incumbent. Mcbin is right that it would appear he won't be the guy for his first 3 years, and meant no offense to Burrow whatsoever.

That being said, he very easily could get 2 years as the starter, which is not a terrible situation.
NO one is saying Joe will go in and start from day 1, not even Joe. Most every single QB in the nation takes that redshirt or backup role in the 1st season, that's just life of a college QB. And with the numbers JT has put up, who's to say he will be in Columbus after next year? As talented as Joe is, he has lots of growth yet, and areas he can improve.
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Posted: 12/5/2014 10:16 AM
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N...And with the numbers JT has put up, who's to say he will be in Columbus after next year? ...

Or, who is saying he won't get hurt? That's why you need more than one good QB.
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Posted: 12/5/2014 11:33 AM
Burrow's competition isn't Barrett. As long as Barrett is on campus and healthy he is ahead of Burrows. That is not even open for debate. As a red-shirt soph, Barrett could leave after next year - but NFL teams will want him to show he can stay healthy. So he is looking at two more years at minimum (probably 3 as 6'1" QBs rarely come out early (he is no Johnny Football).

So Burrows is red-shirting a year and then sitting a year - probably two. His mission is in 24 months to be ahead of Gibson (and anyone else) - 1). so he gets anytime injury interrupts Barrett, 2). gets any garbage time and 3). is perceived as the next in line upon Barrett's departure.

Fly in ointment is if Barrett takes medical red-shirt next year and Miller returns as starter - pushes out assignment an extra year. How bad is the ankle? Cam Newton had surgery last off-season and is still not the same - and it wasn't a break.
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Posted: 12/6/2014 11:08 AM
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That is great for Joe, and great for Athens. We're going to head up the road to cheer on the Bulldogs over at OSU in an hour.

Of course it's a long shot for him to be so highly touted and choose Ohio, but I'm not so sure he'll be a lock to stick with the Buckeyes either. He's virtually assured to sit until his 4th year (RS JR) minimum if he goes there, short of a situation where multiple guys go down in front of him. Would be a shame to see another potential star rot on the sidelines, but we gotta remember it's his choice not ours.

GOOD LUCK ATHENS!

If you've watched this young man at all, how can you honestly make such a comment? On what do you base such an opinion?
Very simple, tOSU has a glut of QBs currently. It's not a matter of who is deserving, that not as relevant. They've no doubt got multiple QBs that could start D1 and start at tOSU, but every single week, they only have one starting QB, and the others stand on the sideline. Cardale is finally starting this week, the last game of his third year, and we all know he didn't come to play school.

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Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL classes are POINTLESS,
It's not a knock on Burrow at all, it's just that schools can only play one quarterback at a time. If tOSU still has 7 quarterbacks on the roster next year, only one gets the start, regardless of skill/ability.

I hope he gets his shot early and does well. I just don't expect it. Plenty of great players rot on big schools' sidelines and that's how it goes. He knows what he's up against. Maybe he'll be a benefactor of injuries & transfers to get his shot earlier than I expect. Hope he does because he would probably do well.

2015 tOSU will have 7 QBs on roster assuming nobody leaves. Do I expect Burrow to start of Miller or Barret in 2015? nope. Do you? Do I expect Barrett to be ousted in 2016 or 2017 based on his play this year? nope.

I know you're closer to the situation than I so you likely have a little more insight with the Burrow family, but as an outsider looking in, I would not be surprised if he chooses elsewhere either now or in a year or two. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.
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Posted: 12/6/2014 11:09 AM
oops, double post..
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Posted: 12/6/2014 12:19 PM
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That is great for Joe, and great for Athens. We're going to head up the road to cheer on the Bulldogs over at OSU in an hour.

Of course it's a long shot for him to be so highly touted and choose Ohio, but I'm not so sure he'll be a lock to stick with the Buckeyes either. He's virtually assured to sit until his 4th year (RS JR) minimum if he goes there, short of a situation where multiple guys go down in front of him. Would be a shame to see another potential star rot on the sidelines, but we gotta remember it's his choice not ours.

GOOD LUCK ATHENS!

If you've watched this young man at all, how can you honestly make such a comment? On what do you base such an opinion?
Very simple, tOSU has a glut of QBs currently. It's not a matter of who is deserving, that not as relevant. They've no doubt got multiple QBs that could start D1 and start at tOSU, but every single week, they only have one starting QB, and the others stand on the sideline. Cardale is finally starting this week, the last game of his third year, and we all know he didn't come to play school.

Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL classes are POINTLESS,
It's not a knock on Burrow at all, it's just that schools can only play one quarterback at a time. If tOSU still has 7 quarterbacks on the roster next year, only one gets the start, regardless of skill/ability.

I hope he gets his shot early and does well. I just don't expect it. Plenty of great players rot on big schools' sidelines and that's how it goes. He knows what he's up against. Maybe he'll be a benefactor of injuries & transfers to get his shot earlier than I expect. Hope he does because he would probably do well.

2015 tOSU will have 7 QBs on roster assuming nobody leaves. Do I expect Burrow to start of Miller or Barret in 2015? nope. Do you? Do I expect Barrett to be ousted in 2016 or 2017 based on his play this year? nope.

I know you're closer to the situation than I so you likely have a little more insight with the Burrow family, but as an outsider looking in, I would not be surprised if he chooses elsewhere either now or in a year or two. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

I'm not a big football fan so I probably shouldn't chime in, but I don't get it. Burrow has a chance to be the greatest passing quarterback in OHIO history and probably a lot of other places, or play for some other major school needing a qb sooner than later. Likely he'll sit a couple years or more before he gets his chance at State, which may or may not materialize. If he was my kid I'd tell him not to let his "gaga" for State mess with maybe his only chance in life to be a 4 year qb.
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Posted: 12/6/2014 1:45 PM
I'm sure Burrow trusts his ability and believes he will get his shot to play eventually. Some kids are okay with waiting there turn for a few years if it means a chance to play at a perennial top 5 school, instead of going to a lesser program and playing 4 years in anonymity. Its a huge opportunity to play for championships and not a lot of guys transfer from OSU voluntarily.
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Posted: 12/6/2014 2:17 PM
Disagree BIGTIME with the 'anonymity' thought. These days, if you have ability the pros will find you anywhere. In all sports, there's too much money at stake for pro teams to NOT find good players. I'll let somebody else list them, but there are a ton of pro qbs who played at 'anyonymous.'

Sorry, but it makes so much more sense to go where you're quite certain to play than to go where you could be great but never see the field/court.


Gotta think the last guy on Kentucky's basketball bench is a great player who might really shine at Toleo or Iowa State or Univ Central Florida.
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Posted: 12/6/2014 3:22 PM
I'm talking about college glory Monroe, not getting noticed by the pros.
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Posted: 12/7/2014 10:41 AM
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I'm talking about college glory Monroe, not getting noticed by the pros.
Remember 2013 when the 1st pick in the NFL draft was from a MAC school? Your argument is terribly outdated.
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Posted: 12/7/2014 12:31 PM
Geez, you quoted my comment, but did you even read my comment. When I say anonymity I'm talking about college glory playing at OSU vs college anonymity of playing at Ohio or some also ran power 5 school i.e Indiana. If you don't think that factored into Burrows decision I think you are mistaken. There's a reason guys are willing to be backups at OSU instead of going to OU. Obviously the pros will look at draft talent no matter what school you are at, that's not what I was referring to.
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Posted: 12/7/2014 1:06 PM
Buddy--okay, but don't guys want to play? And, if going pro is the goal, isn't that much more facilitated by playing at a 'moderate' school than being on the bench at 'big name?'

Plus, starters get chicks, not so much for benchers.
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Posted: 12/7/2014 1:47 PM
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Buddy--okay, but don't guys want to play? And, if going pro is the goal, isn't that much more facilitated by playing at a 'moderate' school than being on the bench at 'big name?'

Plus, starters get chicks, not so much for benchers.
I do believe that most high schoolers want to play, but other factors do influence choices.

My nephew Garrett is or was an example. Toledo offered him a full ride. He chose to enroll at OSU and try walking on. His choice surprised family members. But he wanted to run out of that tunnel. He did make the team, lasted all four years, saw smidgens of playing time and has no regrets.
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Posted: 12/7/2014 7:20 PM
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Buddy--okay, but don't guys want to play? And, if going pro is the goal, isn't that much more facilitated by playing at a 'moderate' school than being on the bench at 'big name?'

Plus, starters get chicks, not so much for benchers.
I do believe that most high schoolers want to play, but other factors do influence choices.

My nephew Garrett is or was an example. Toledo offered him a full ride. He chose to enroll at OSU and try walking on. His choice surprised family members. But he wanted to run out of that tunnel. He did make the team, lasted all four years, saw smidgens of playing time and has no regrets.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:27 PM
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Disagree BIGTIME with the 'anonymity' thought. These days, if you have ability the pros will find you anywhere. In all sports, there's too much money at stake for pro teams to NOT find good players. I'll let somebody else list them, but there are a ton of pro qbs who played at 'anyonymous.'

Sorry, but it makes so much more sense to go where you're quite certain to play than to go where you could be great but never see the field/court.


Gotta think the last guy on Kentucky's basketball bench is a great player who might really shine at Toleo or Iowa State or Univ Central Florida.
Ya, things always work out better in life if you never take a chance at greatness. Why go work for Microsoft when Frognet is hiring? Who cares that Saks Fifth Avenue wants you, you could be the best manager the Athens Elder Beerman has ever seen.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:46 PM
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. . .Ya, things always work out better in life if you never take a chance at greatness. Why go work for Microsoft when Frognet is hiring? Who cares that Saks Fifth Avenue wants you, you could be the best manager the Athens Elder Beerman has ever seen.
What a bogus analogy. Would Big Ben have ever been found by the NFL if he had sat on the bench for four years at Alabama? That would be a likely prospect if he had been discovered by one of the elite schools and had accepted their offer instead of Miami's.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:57 PM
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. . .Ya, things always work out better in life if you never take a chance at greatness. Why go work for Microsoft when Frognet is hiring? Who cares that Saks Fifth Avenue wants you, you could be the best manager the Athens Elder Beerman has ever seen.
What a bogus analogy. Would Big Ben have ever been found by the NFL if he had sat on the bench for four years at Alabama? That would be a likely prospect if he had been discovered by one of the elite schools and had accepted their offer instead of Miami's.
Matt Cassell was found, and I don't believe he ever started a game at USC.

And for the record, who was the last Ohio Bobcats QB to make it to the NFL?
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Posted: 12/8/2014 3:17 PM
It is so laughable, even as a fan of Ohio athletics, that people judge a kid negatively for daring to pursue this opportunity at an extremely high level. You really think he should stay here and play on a Wednesday night on ESPN2 against Buffalo instead of Saturday on ABC against Michigan. He should stay here and play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl instead of having a chance to play in a playoff for a national title. This kid has the opportunity to go and pursue his dream, and some people selfishly want him to stay here for obvious reasons: he's extremely talented. He may go and sit on the bench in Columbus, but that's his decision. Guys that came before him like Craig Krenzel, Troy Smith, Braxton Miller, and JT Barrett made the same decision he has made. Were there guys who never saw the field during the time those guys were winning National Titles, Big Ten titles, and Heisman Trophies? Sure, and that's the choice they made. It's pathetic, in my humble opinion, to knock a kid for making this decision. It's not like he spurned Ohio to go play at Miami or Akron.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 3:28 PM
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. . .Ya, things always work out better in life if you never take a chance at greatness. Why go work for Microsoft when Frognet is hiring? Who cares that Saks Fifth Avenue wants you, you could be the best manager the Athens Elder Beerman has ever seen.
What a bogus analogy. Would Big Ben have ever been found by the NFL if he had sat on the bench for four years at Alabama? That would be a likely prospect if he had been discovered by one of the elite schools and had accepted their offer instead of Miami's.
Matt Cassell was found, and I don't believe he ever started a game at USC.

And for the record, who was the last Ohio Bobcats QB to make it to the NFL?
Well, technically Phil Bates who's currently on the Browns practice squad. Sorry, couldn't resist.....

As to Joe Burrow, maybe just maybe the kid wants to go away for college. I know I did. Just speaking for myself, the last place, and I mean last place, I wanted to go to college was where I grew up. Maybe it's the same for Mr. Burrow and if it is, good for him!
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Posted: 12/8/2014 3:35 PM
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. . .Ya, things always work out better in life if you never take a chance at greatness. Why go work for Microsoft when Frognet is hiring? Who cares that Saks Fifth Avenue wants you, you could be the best manager the Athens Elder Beerman has ever seen.
What a bogus analogy. Would Big Ben have ever been found by the NFL if he had sat on the bench for four years at Alabama? That would be a likely prospect if he had been discovered by one of the elite schools and had accepted their offer instead of Miami's.
Matt Cassell was found, and I don't believe he ever started a game at USC.

And for the record, who was the last Ohio Bobcats QB to make it to the NFL?
Yeah, but who's the last QB we had where everyone said "Man, this guy is NFL material?" but just didn't make it because he wasn't seen? (Answer: Never). If a quarterback at Ohio is good enough, he will be found. TT broke every damn school record we had. He was talented and fun to watch but no one had any delusions that he had a career at the next level.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 4:01 PM
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. . .Ya, things always work out better in life if you never take a chance at greatness. Why go work for Microsoft when Frognet is hiring? Who cares that Saks Fifth Avenue wants you, you could be the best manager the Athens Elder Beerman has ever seen.
What a bogus analogy. Would Big Ben have ever been found by the NFL if he had sat on the bench for four years at Alabama? That would be a likely prospect if he had been discovered by one of the elite schools and had accepted their offer instead of Miami's.
Matt Cassell was found, and I don't believe he ever started a game at USC.

And for the record, who was the last Ohio Bobcats QB to make it to the NFL?
Yeah, but who's the last QB we had where everyone said "Man, this guy is NFL material?" but just didn't make it because he wasn't seen? (Answer: Never). If a quarterback at Ohio is good enough, he will be found. TT broke every damn school record we had. He was talented and fun to watch but no one had any delusions that he had a career at the next level.
What you need to do is ask yourself the question, "Why would an NFL quality QB come to Ohio?"

There are QB's who come to Ohio and never see the field. Are there people here saying "Man he should have went to Mount Union and been a stud instead of coming here?"
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Posted: 12/8/2014 4:25 PM
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. . .Ya, things always work out better in life if you never take a chance at greatness. Why go work for Microsoft when Frognet is hiring? Who cares that Saks Fifth Avenue wants you, you could be the best manager the Athens Elder Beerman has ever seen.
What a bogus analogy. Would Big Ben have ever been found by the NFL if he had sat on the bench for four years at Alabama? That would be a likely prospect if he had been discovered by one of the elite schools and had accepted their offer instead of Miami's.
Matt Cassell was found, and I don't believe he ever started a game at USC.

And for the record, who was the last Ohio Bobcats QB to make it to the NFL?
Yeah, but who's the last QB we had where everyone said "Man, this guy is NFL material?" but just didn't make it because he wasn't seen? (Answer: Never). If a quarterback at Ohio is good enough, he will be found. TT broke every damn school record we had. He was talented and fun to watch but no one had any delusions that he had a career at the next level.
DCF--I think that there were a few posts speculating about TT getting drafted or getting NFL tryout. You have to remember that there's a solid core here which has a higher assessment of our talent/program than is objectively warranted. Apparently, they watch a lot of high school ball but little NFL or top level college.
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