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Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 9/9/2015 11:55 PM
Whatever, L.C. You can write all the lengthy posts and quote all the obscure stats that you want. But there's no denying that for the last 2.5 years we've been decidedly mediocre.

Hopefully, this year is significantly better.



I don't enjoy this quick, obviously accurate, analysis. But it's the readily apparent truth. In life, it's helpful to have, and to exercise, one's M.O.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 11:57 PM
In 2014, what was our record in games decided by 15 points or more?
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Posted: 9/10/2015 12:10 AM
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My favorite Herd talking point of the day- "Ohio is 0-7 vs Purdue, that's all you need to know."

Fascinating. Let's take a closer look at those games-

1988 @Purdue(4-7)
1978 @Purdue(9-2-1)
1977 @Purdue(5-6)
1966 @Purdue(9-2)
1964 @Purdue(6-3)
1936 @Purdue(5-2-1)
1933 @Purdue(6-1-1)

So yes its true, Between 1933 and 1988 Ohio lost on the road at Purdue 7 times, which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the 2015 Herd are better than the Bobcats. You can't argue with facts, people.

Since we're looking at the results of games between 1933-1988 to determine the outcome of Saturday's contest maybe we should also take a look at Marshall's record vs Ohio during that time frame-

9-25-5

Or how about Marshall's record at Peden Stadium, all time-

6-21-3

Marshall week is always one of the most amusing weeks of the year. Endless entertainment.
We(110) marched at the 1988 game The on field temp was near 100. Sent a half dozen band members to the hospital due to heat exhaustion. purdue fans chanting "we want your band!" US chanting "we want your football team".
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Posted: 9/10/2015 12:10 AM
LC, Frank would disagree with you. Given his *many* conversations with other coaches this offseason, his desire to shake things up and the slogan "restore the roar" (amongst several other examples)...it seems quite clear that Frank was unhappy with the momentum of the program.

Thank god Frank realized that things had gotten stale instead of blaming the fans, graduated players or departed coaches. We needed a shake-up and I'm optimistic that Frank and staff have delivered it.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 12:17 AM
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This series should not have breaks! I also feel that at some point Peden ultimately should have a 30,000 capacity with the hill for overflow. I know Ohio won't average 30,000 but for games against Marshall, Cincinnati, Homecoming, band day, parents weekend, Kansas, etc most seats would be filled. A larger capacity may also help get the Purdue types to Peden. An additional 6,000 seats at $40 a head for a P5 opponent could generate an additional $240,000 which could be used pay a higher guarantee to the visiting teams. It seems at least 2 or 3 times per season Peden's capacity is exceeded. Keep that up and at some point it will happen.
I agree 100% that we should be playing Marshall every year.

In the years we are AT Marshall, we bring in an opponent like Cincinnati or Kansas. Rotating between Marshall and teams like Cincinnati/Kansas every year would give us 1 OOC home game that I would consider very strong from the fan interest standpoint. The season ticket base has grown incredibly since Frank came in. As we start to see Kansas and Cincinnati in Peden, I think the interest there will only continue to grow. The MACtion games are never going to sell out the stadium. I don't think that needs to happen to justify expanding Peden.
I didn't renew my season tickets last year due to lame OOC home games and can't use weeknight games. I bought season tickets this year since wanted to go to Marshall and Miami(homecoming) games. You'd think one interesting OOC home game a season would be achievable.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 6:31 AM
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I thought it was a blocked punt returned for a TD, not a pick 6. And I think it was their stud little DE, Goddard, who got it.

Parents weekend game. Torpedoed the rest of that season.
Pretty sure it was a middle screen. Goddard just swiped it out of the air and took it in for the score.
Goddard scored on an interception for the Herd's only TD of the game. He did also block a punt that game and had 3 sacks. He won that game for Marshall by being a superhero. It was an incredible performance.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 9:02 AM
One needs to keep in mind all the injuries the team suffered these past 2-3 years had to impact the teams performance. I would venture to say if injuries we more in what would be considered "normal" that would have translated to an additional 2-3 wins in 2012, 2013, & 2014.

LINE IS NOW DOWN TO 3 POINTS





GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 9/10/2015 11:29 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
One needs to keep in mind all the injuries the team suffered these past 2-3 years had to impact the teams performance. I would venture to say if injuries we more in what would be considered "normal" that would have translated to an additional 2-3 wins in 2012, 2013, & 2014.

LINE IS NOW DOWN TO 3 POINTS

GO BOBCATS

Wow. Given Marshall's season last year, and throttling of Purdue (no matter how bad Purdue is), that seems like an aggressive line.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 11:49 AM
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One needs to keep in mind all the injuries the team suffered these past 2-3 years had to impact the teams performance. I would venture to say if injuries we more in what would be considered "normal" that would have translated to an additional 2-3 wins in 2012, 2013, & 2014.

LINE IS NOW DOWN TO 3 POINTS

GO BOBCATS

Wow. Given Marshall's season last year, and throttling of Purdue (no matter how bad Purdue is), that seems like an aggressive line.
I wouldn't call that a "throttling" seeing that Marshall only took the lead with 2:50 remaining. Marshall won by 10, but that was a very close game.

Solid win, yes. But not a throttling.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 11:50 AM
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LC, Frank would disagree with you. Given his *many* conversations with other coaches this offseason, his desire to shake things up and the slogan "restore the roar" (amongst several other examples)...it seems quite clear that Frank was unhappy with the momentum of the program.

Thank god Frank realized that things had gotten stale instead of blaming the fans, graduated players or departed coaches. We needed a shake-up and I'm optimistic that Frank and staff have delivered it.

Frank's desire to shake things up really happened a year earlier, between 2013 and 2014. That's when we saw Frank really unhappy, and we saw major changes, things like new methods for electing Captains to improve leadership, and the Navy Seal Training, to improve unity.

I felt like the changes this year were more fine-tuning the changes he had made before, things like new stretching methods, or changes in how much and when the team had contact in Fall Camp. Putting it another way, I felt like the changes between 2013 and 2014 were designed to totally change the direction, and the changes between 2014-15 were designed to keep the team healthy, and thus to keep the new uptrend from getting sidetracked by injuries.

I believe that the direction changed last year, and I still mark the Buffalo game last year as the reversal point.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:47 PM
I thought maybe through the American Sports Network (ASN) I could see the game on cable TV instead of streaming on ESPN3. The channel they own in my area is WNWO, NBC 24 in Toledo. On Saturday at 7:00 PM they're showing "Judge Judy." Then, at 7:30, don't miss the exciting informercial, "Best Blower Ever!"
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:57 PM
I was thinking that with the extra few days between games, we'd see the Game Notes posted early. Now I'm wondering if there will be Game Notes at all this week.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 5:51 PM
Could it be that Ohio's D is faster and quicker than Purdue's?

You could argue that Marshall's O speed made Purdue's D look slower.

But it could be that Ohio's LBs and DBs are at least a bit faster and quicker than the Boilers.'
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Posted: 9/11/2015 12:29 AM
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My favorite Herd talking point of the day- "Ohio is 0-7 vs Purdue, that's all you need to know."

Fascinating. Let's take a closer look at those games-

1988 @Purdue(4-7)
1978 @Purdue(9-2-1)
1977 @Purdue(5-6)
1966 @Purdue(9-2)
1964 @Purdue(6-3)
1936 @Purdue(5-2-1)
1933 @Purdue(6-1-1)

. . . Marshall week is always one of the most amusing weeks of the year. Endless entertainment.
Was anyone else on this board at the 1964 game? It was a 17-0 loss with one very interesting statistic, perhaps not repeated in the history of American football. If you were there, you probably know what I'm talking about.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 12:31 AM
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Then, at 7:30, don't miss the exciting informercial, "Best Blower Ever!"
They are showing the Miami game instead?!
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Posted: 9/11/2015 9:42 AM
RPO R6V wrote:expand_more
I thought maybe through the American Sports Network (ASN) I could see the game on cable TV instead of streaming on ESPN3. The channel they own in my area is WNWO, NBC 24 in Toledo. On Saturday at 7:00 PM they're showing "Judge Judy." Then, at 7:30, don't miss the exciting informercial, "Best Blower Ever!"

That's WNWO's main channel that's showing that crap. WNWO's secondary channel, WNWO-2, is being used for ASN games. Their schedule still shows Doctor Who, but it's showing that on the secondary channels for just about all the Scripps stations. You might call them or email them to find out if they're carrying it, and contacting them just might get them to thinking about carrying it if they're not.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 9:57 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I thought maybe through the American Sports Network (ASN) I could see the game on cable TV instead of streaming on ESPN3. The channel they own in my area is WNWO, NBC 24 in Toledo. On Saturday at 7:00 PM they're showing "Judge Judy." Then, at 7:30, don't miss the exciting informercial, "Best Blower Ever!"

That's WNWO's main channel that's showing that crap. WNWO's secondary channel, WNWO-2, is being used for ASN games. Their schedule still shows Doctor Who, but it's showing that on the secondary channels for just about all the Scripps stations. You might call them or email them to find out if they're carrying it, and contacting them just might get them to thinking about carrying it if they're not.
Fun Fact: Marshall's coach's full name is Doctor Who Holliday.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 10:44 AM
FYI.....I live in RI, and have DirecTV, and my channel guide shows that our game is on channel 628.




GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 9/11/2015 10:48 AM
If we have the depth that consensus here says we have (backs, O-line in particular), will we: run two-back sets or hurry-up?
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Posted: 9/11/2015 11:02 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If we have the depth that consensus here says we have (backs, O-line in particular), will we: run two-back sets or hurry-up?
We ran two-back sets against Idaho.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 2:02 PM
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Was anyone else on this board at the 1964 game? It was a 17-0 loss with one very interesting statistic, perhaps not repeated in the history of American football. If you were there, you probably know what I'm talking about.
I wasn't there, but the Internet tells me that Bob Griese threw and ran for TDs, kicked 2 extra points, and kicked a field goal.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 2:45 PM
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If we have the depth that consensus here says we have (backs, O-line in particular), will we: run two-back sets or hurry-up?
We ran two-back sets against Idaho.
I don't think that we ran that many.

And in those that we did, were both running backs lined up in a position such that they could actually get a handoff? My memory is that the 2nd rb would be out to the side and almost in front of the qb (sort of on the wing) such that a handoff to that running back wouldn't work.

I mean we should run true two-back sets.


And, you apparently agree about the need for more use of hurry-up?!
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Posted: 9/11/2015 3:57 PM
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I don't think that we ran that many.

And in those that we did, were both running backs lined up in a position such that they could actually get a handoff? My memory is that the 2nd rb would be out to the side and almost in front of the qb (sort of on the wing) such that a handoff to that running back wouldn't work....

They ran them quite a bit versus Idaho, but as you say, they didn't use them for much. Basically what happened was that when Daz or Papi came in, AJ often slid up to the H-Back position (instead of using a tight end there). From that formation, they just ran traditional plays. That isn't to say that they don't have some other things they plan to do from that formation, but rather that, whatever they are, they didn't show them. I think they showed the formation to get other teams "used" to seeing two running backs in at the same time. In the end, we'll have to wait and see as the year progresses how they use the formation.
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Posted: 9/11/2015 4:08 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If we have the depth that consensus here says we have (backs, O-line in particular), will we: run two-back sets or hurry-up?
We ran two-back sets against Idaho.
I don't think that we ran that many.

And in those that we did, were both running backs lined up in a position such that they could actually get a handoff? My memory is that the 2nd rb would be out to the side and almost in front of the qb (sort of on the wing) such that a handoff to that running back wouldn't work.

I mean we should run true two-back sets.


And, you apparently agree about the need for more use of hurry-up?!
Monroe. The key being running effectively. Sir, vs Idaho Ohio averaged 5.4 per rush. The sets they used contributed to averaging 11.4 yards per passing attempt, per attempt!!! Ohio averaged 7.8 yards per play over 63 plays. Why are you demanding a different scheme when what they did averaged 7.8 per play? Monroe, what would they have to average for you to say, all right, good job, keep it up? The hurry up was off the table early, for good reason. The TV commenters were praising Vick for his patience and clock burning. Ohio owned this game. When was there a need to hurry-up and why, really?
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