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Posted: 9/8/2015 12:31 PM
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No talk of Peden expansion until we MACC.

None.
How about no talk of expansion until Ohio consistently has to turn away fans because the game is sold out and there's nowhere to put them.
What is "consistently" to you? I believe Gallia mentioned 2-3 games a year over stadium capacity. Over stadium capacity and turning away fans are not parallel, but they are close enough that I think DISCUSSION at the very least is merited.
2-3 games a year seems reasonable to me. Even the biggest and best have games where the crowds are less than other games. The MACtion games are not going to sellout unless Athens sees a major population boom. Just because those games aren't selling out, I don't think we should be avoiding this discussion.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 1:08 PM
I have worked with Mike Dina in the past. His son's story can be found here. http://www.gogold.org/about /.

I post about it here simply because they have partnered with Ohio to raise awareness of childhood cancer during the Marshall game.

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The Ohio University Football Team is partnering with the Go Gold Fund to recognize September as Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. Gold ribbons will be painted on the field, placed on players’ helmets, and worn by coaches. Announcements throughout the game will raise awareness about the reality of childhood cancer and the need for change.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 3:22 PM
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No talk of Peden expansion until we MACC.

None.
How about no talk of expansion until Ohio consistently has to turn away fans because the game is sold out and there's nowhere to put them.
Can we please include the ridiculous idea of having a "home" game in Cleveland or Cincinnati. That would be a huge disaster.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 4:00 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
No talk of Peden expansion until we MACC.

None.
How about no talk of expansion until Ohio consistently has to turn away fans because the game is sold out and there's nowhere to put them.
What is "consistently" to you? I believe Gallia mentioned 2-3 games a year over stadium capacity. Over stadium capacity and turning away fans are not parallel, but they are close enough that I think DISCUSSION at the very least is merited.
2-3 games a year seems reasonable to me. Even the biggest and best have games where the crowds are less than other games. The MACtion games are not going to sellout unless Athens sees a major population boom. Just because those games aren't selling out, I don't think we should be avoiding this discussion.
Even with the 2-3 sellouts every year, there's still 3-4 games a year that are nowhere near sellouts. It also depends on what the athletic department considers a "good crowd" but not necessarily a sellout. Given Ohio's recent history, I would say anything between 17-20K that isn't a sellout isn't bad.

Let's look at it another way. What games are almost guaranteed to be sellouts every year?

1. Home opener - regardless of opponent as has been shown
2. Hosting a Power 5 program - probably always going to be a sellout, but I think the program matters a bit (Kansas might not, but it probably will)
3. Homecoming - obvious
4. Miami - this game should never be scheduled the same day as Homecoming. It was a nice idea at the time, but this game needs be to a different day to boost attendance. Preferably when it's warm. The "rivalry has to be the last game of the year thing" shouldn't be a factor.
5. Marshall - proximity factor and rivalry.

That's only five scenarios that could possibly sellout every year (that I can think of, feel free to provide more). Miami, Marshall and the Power 5 program aren't guaranteed to happen the same year. In fact, that's probably only going to happen once in a while, if ever. At best, like you said, we're maybe getting three in a year, most likely two.

Flip side, what are the bad things:

1. Inferior FCS opponent not in a home opener
2. Bad weather
3. November games close to Thanksgiving
4. Weeknight games - sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
5. MAC games that nobody outside of season ticket holders and BA.com care about - if it's an inferior MAC opponent and the division title isn't on the line, it's hard to get people out to Peden.
6. Games where OSU kicks off close to the same time - this will always be an issue unfortunately.
7. Games where other big college games kickoff at the same time.

Whereas the the good scenarios would need stars to align for things to happen, it seems like these bad things happen every year. It's just the nature of the beast Ohio has to deal with.

Would I like to see Peden expanded? Sure. I just don't know if it's feasible or reasonable at this point. How much of a discussion does it really warrant? Very little I think. But we're getting closer...
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No talk of Peden expansion until we MACC.

None.
How about no talk of expansion until Ohio consistently has to turn away fans because the game is sold out and there's nowhere to put them.
What is "consistently" to you? I believe Gallia mentioned 2-3 games a year over stadium capacity. Over stadium capacity and turning away fans are not parallel, but they are close enough that I think DISCUSSION at the very least is merited.
2-3 games a year seems reasonable to me. Even the biggest and best have games where the crowds are less than other games. The MACtion games are not going to sellout unless Athens sees a major population boom. Just because those games aren't selling out, I don't think we should be avoiding this discussion.
Even with the 2-3 sellouts every year, there's still 3-4 games a year that are nowhere near sellouts. It also depends on what the athletic department considers a "good crowd" but not necessarily a sellout. Given Ohio's recent history, I would say anything between 17-20K that isn't a sellout isn't bad.

Let's look at it another way. What games are almost guaranteed to be sellouts every year?

1. Home opener - regardless of opponent as has been shown
2. Hosting a Power 5 program - probably always going to be a sellout, but I think the program matters a bit (Kansas might not, but it probably will)
3. Homecoming - obvious
4. Miami - this game should never be scheduled the same day as Homecoming. It was a nice idea at the time, but this game needs be to a different day to boost attendance. Preferably when it's warm. The "rivalry has to be the last game of the year thing" shouldn't be a factor.
5. Marshall - proximity factor and rivalry.

That's only five scenarios that could possibly sellout every year (that I can think of, feel free to provide more). Miami, Marshall and the Power 5 program aren't guaranteed to happen the same year. In fact, that's probably only going to happen once in a while, if ever. At best, like you said, we're maybe getting three in a year, most likely two.

Flip side, what are the bad things:

1. Inferior FCS opponent not in a home opener
2. Bad weather
3. November games close to Thanksgiving
4. Weeknight games - sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
5. MAC games that nobody outside of season ticket holders and BA.com care about - if it's an inferior MAC opponent and the division title isn't on the line, it's hard to get people out to Peden.
6. Games where OSU kicks off close to the same time - this will always be an issue unfortunately.
7. Games where other big college games kickoff at the same time.

Whereas the the good scenarios would need stars to align for things to happen, it seems like these bad things happen every year. It's just the nature of the beast Ohio has to deal with.

Would I like to see Peden expanded? Sure. I just don't know if it's feasible or reasonable at this point. How much of a discussion does it really warrant? Very little I think. But we're getting closer...
Parents weekend and band day are almost always full houses as well. I think SE Louisiana is Parents weekend and there will be a very large crowd on hand. I will challenge on the OSU games impacting attendance as much as it use to. I just don't think it does as much as it use to.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 7:02 PM
If hotel room availability means anything, good luck if you do not already have a room reserved for either Parent's Weekend (S.E. La.) or Homecoming (Miami). There are no rooms available in Athens those two weekends. By none, I literally mean none!
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Posted: 9/8/2015 10:36 PM
Can't you guys see that Billy the Cat is being sarcastic?
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Posted: 9/9/2015 3:58 AM
MACC. Follow with consistent top talent. Then, play Michigan State in Cleveland.



And do it now.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 7:13 AM
From the Marshall Game Notes.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/...

Near the top
With back-to-back season of double-digit victories – 10-4 and 13-1 – Marshall enters 2015 owning one of the best FBS records in that two-plus-season span. Only fi ve FBS teams have a better record since the start of the 2013 season than Marshall’s 24-5.
Florida State (28-1), Ohio State (27-3), Michigan State (25-3), Oregon (25-4) and Alabama (24-4) are the top five. Marshall’s 24-5 shares the next spot with Missouri and Northern Illinois, which the Herd downed last December in the inaugural Boca Raton Bowl.
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Marshall’s 52-23 win over NIU last season was the 14th time that the Thundering Herd has reached the 50+-point plateau under coach Doc Holliday.

Marshall has won nine of its last 10 bowl appearances, including four in a row, three of those under Coach Doc Holliday.

Holliday’s six Herd teams have a combined 41-25 record. When Marshall has an edge in turnover margin, it is 23-4. When the turnover number is equal, Marshall is 10-4. But when the opponent is more sure-handed, the Herd is 8-17.

The graduates
Marshall will play the 2015 season with 13 players already owning their MU undergraduate degrees – a record for a Herd football team.

Big additions
Marshall’s program – its entire athletic program, in fact – had two big additions this summer, when the final two facilities funded by the Vision Campaign for Athletics opened as part of the Chris Cline Athletic Complex.
In early June, the Buck Harless Student-Athletic Academic Center opened, giving Herd athletes a welcome place to do their studies outside the classroom and the campus libraries. The Harless Center’s 14,150 square feet include 98 computer work stations, private tutoring room, a 34-seat classroom and 75-seat
auditorium, among other amenities.
In mid-July, the Marshall University Sports Medicine Institute opened its doors for Herd athletes as well as the general public. It’s a cooperative effort among MU Athletics, Cabell Huntington Hospital’s SMART Center (Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation Therapies), Marshall Orthopaedics and a hospital-run franchise of Stack Velocity Sports Performance.

Coaches Pay
Holliday’s six-year deal is for a total package of $755,500 -- up from $600,000 -- with additional dollars available through incentives tied to conference championships, bowls and season ticket sales. Holliday’s new contract includes a base salary from the university of $175,000. He also is guaranteed $330,500 annually for appearances on his weekly radio and TV shows and $200,000 (beginning this July) for annual appearances at Big Green Scholarship Foundation fundraising functions
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Posted: 9/9/2015 7:40 AM
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Can't you guys see that Billy the Cat is being sarcastic?
Absolutely. I usually ignore Billy The Buckeye outside of the game chat.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 7:48 AM
This game preview calls Ohio underrated although they have Marshall winning a close one.
http://collegefootballnews.com/2015/marshall-vs-ohio-pred...
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:01 AM
My favorite Herd talking point of the day- "Ohio is 0-7 vs Purdue, that's all you need to know."

Fascinating. Let's take a closer look at those games-

1988 @Purdue(4-7)
1978 @Purdue(9-2-1)
1977 @Purdue(5-6)
1966 @Purdue(9-2)
1964 @Purdue(6-3)
1936 @Purdue(5-2-1)
1933 @Purdue(6-1-1)

So yes its true, Between 1933 and 1988 Ohio lost on the road at Purdue 7 times, which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the 2015 Herd are better than the Bobcats. You can't argue with facts, people.

Since we're looking at the results of games between 1933-1988 to determine the outcome of Saturday's contest maybe we should also take a look at Marshall's record vs Ohio during that time frame-

9-25-5

Or how about Marshall's record at Peden Stadium, all time-

6-21-3

Marshall week is always one of the most amusing weeks of the year. Endless entertainment.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:05 AM
Video: Doc Holliday press conference, 9-8-2015, vs. Ohio

 

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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:14 AM
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My favorite Herd talking point of the day- "Ohio is 0-7 vs Purdue, that's all you need to know."

Fascinating. Let's take a closer look at those games-

1988 @Purdue(4-7)
1978 @Purdue(9-2-1)
1977 @Purdue(5-6)
1966 @Purdue(9-2)
1964 @Purdue(6-3)
1936 @Purdue(5-2-1)
1933 @Purdue(6-1-1)

So yes its true, Between 1933 and 1988 Ohio lost on the road at Purdue 7 times, which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the 2015 Herd are better than the Bobcats. You can't argue with facts, people.

Since we're looking at the results of games between 1933-1988 to determine the outcome of Saturday's contest maybe we should also take a look at Marshall's record vs Ohio during that time frame-

9-25-5

Or how about Marshall's record at Peden Stadium, all time-

6-21-3

Marshall week is always one of the most amusing weeks of the year. Endless entertainment.
I chuckled reading that on their board as well. We last played Purdue in 1988. 1988 is a very famous year. That is only one year before the fall of the Berlin Wall and just three years before Nathan Carpenter, our 6th year Senior, was born.

The last time Marshall won in Athens? October 9th, 2004. 12 year old Nathan Carpenter was not in attendance. Neither was Frank Solich. Marshall has failed to win in all three trips to Athens since Frank Solich took over.

0-4 coming soon.
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
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The last time Marshall won in Athens? October 9th, 2004. 12 year old Nathan Carpenter was not in attendance. Neither was Frank Solich. Marshall has failed to win in all three trips to Athens since Frank Solich took over.

0-4 coming soon.

Interesting note about the 2004 game- Marshall beat Ohio 16-13 without scoring an offensive touchdown, a pick-6 was their only TD. OU missed a 32yrd FG with 25 seconds left that would have tied the game. The game was played a week after OU beat Kentucky in Lexington 28-16.

EDIT:

To continue that thought, here's a list of the dates when Marshall won in Athens and the margin of victory-

2004: +3
2002: +3
1998: +7
1986: +14
1972: +27
1964: +10
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Posted: 9/9/2015 9:48 AM

perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
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The last time Marshall won in Athens? October 9th, 2004. 12 year old Nathan Carpenter was not in attendance. Neither was Frank Solich. Marshall has failed to win in all three trips to Athens since Frank Solich took over.

0-4 coming soon.



Interesting note about the 2004 game- Marshall beat Ohio 16-13 without scoring an offensive touchdown, a pick-6 was their only TD. OU missed a 32yrd FG with 25 seconds left that would have tied the game. The game was played a week after OU beat Kentucky in Lexington 28-16.

EDIT:

To continue that thought, here's a list of the dates when Marshall won in Athens and the margin of victory-

2004: +3
2002: +3
1998: +7
1986: +14
1972: +27
1964: +10


Ah yes, the 2004 game. Marshall fumbled on their own 17 giving Ohio the ball with about two minutes to go. I started to panic because an Ohio win would have made them 4-2 and 2-1 in the MAC. Had I been wrong about Brian Knorr all along? No. As I recall, the Bobcats were unable to get a play off after the change of possession and took a 5-yard delay penalty. They ended up getting back to the 17 on 4th down and Brooks Rossman sailed a potential game-tying FG right which ended the game, season and ultimately Knorr's tenure at Ohio.
 

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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:08 AM
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Ah yes, the 2004 game. Marshall fumbled on their own 17 giving Ohio the ball with about two minutes to go. I started to panic because an Ohio win would have made them 4-2 and 2-1 in the MAC. Had I been wrong about Brian Knorr all along? No. As I recall, the Bobcats were unable to get a play off after the change of possession and took a 5-yard delay penalty. They ended up getting back to the 17 on 4th down and Brooks Rossman sailed a potential game-tying FG right which ended the game, season and ultimately Knorr's tenure at Ohio.
IIRC, we figured out late in that game that we could run wide on Marshall, for about 4-5 yards a pop, pretty consistently. I always thought that if there had been another minute or two on the clock we would have scored 6 on that last possession.

As it was, we had to play for the tying FG, and WHOOPSIE! Knorr'ed again...
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:16 AM
I thought it was a blocked punt returned for a TD, not a pick 6. And I think it was their stud little DE, Goddard, who got it.

Parents weekend game. Torpedoed the rest of that season.
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I thought it was a blocked punt returned for a TD, not a pick 6. And I think it was their stud little DE, Goddard, who got it.

Parents weekend game. Torpedoed the rest of that season.
Pretty sure it was a middle screen. Goddard just swiped it out of the air and took it in for the score.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 11:48 AM
I have a good feeling about this game. I think that 9 days rest for Ohio versus 6 days for Marshall, and the home field for Ohio, will swing this one to Ohio. The fact that it's early in the year may help Marshall overcome it, but the last time Ohio had less than 7 days rest while the foe had more than 7 days, the result was not favorable. That was the BG game in 2012, and Ohio had 6 days while BG had 11.

I call this one Ohio 27, Marshall 24.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 12:14 PM
I like our odds better than last season. Home field, more experienced team. T'erd's offense scored 27 last week (their D had 14), and if we can hold their offense to 27 we should have a good shot. Our guys need to make good decisions so they don't beat themselves.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 12:26 PM
Marshall needs to be careful. I think they like to anticipate short/mid routes. Some of those might just become stop n goes that get deeper. Such things require more time in the pocket. Hope it all works out. #6 is due.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 3:40 PM
We have 10 penalties or whatever that big number, I doubt we win. We take care of the ball and play error free, I think it will be a real good game. Can't wait to get back to Athens and see it!
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This is an interesting quote by a Marshall player from the Chuck Landon article posted on the home page-

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"What makes it hard to play there," said Marshall's standout senior right offensive tackle, "is those guys have so much pride in protecting what is theirs and what they consider valuable, which is giving their fans a 'W' and also playing hard for their coaches and each other.

"They play as a team. They are extremely physical. And they play together. You don't see that with a lot of teams. I know they had a different unit last year, but those guys played together until the end."

That's wasn't easy considering the Bobcats trailed Marshall 41-0 before settling for a 44-14 loss in Huntington in 2014.

"I didn't see anybody blaming everybody else," pointed out Van Horn. "And you saw that with a lot of teams we beat last year. Ohio plays hard. They pick each other up off the ground, win or lose a play.

"They play to the whistle. ... every single play to the end. And that's something you don't see with a lot of teams. That's a tribute to their coaching staff."

That pride translates into another key factor - physicality.

"They're going to do a good job of coming out and trying to establish being physical," said the 6-foot-5, 322-pound Beckley native. "And they will be physical. So, we're going to have to be physical back.

"It's not like they might be physical. They were physical last year although the score didn't show it. But they were truly physical last year. Their offensive line was physical, the defensive line was physical and the linebackers were physical.

"So, that's what we expect."


Given some of the rumored challenges that began to surface in the locker room in the second half of 2012 and continue through 2013 its good to hear that the team seems to have turned a corner. Hope it continues.
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This is an interesting quote by a Marshall player from the Chuck Landon article posted on the home page-
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That's a great quote, perimeter, thanks. That quote exactly states what Solich-style football has always been all about, and what I respect about it. Ohio hasn't always had the most talent on the field, but they have always played hard, and they always play until the whistle. We saw that from 2005 until mid-2012, and we saw that again last year. The 2014 team didn't have the experience, nor depth, to win but half their games, but they always played hard, and they won all the close ones except NIU. In games decided by under 15, the 2014 team was 6-1.

Some negative types will ask "why didn't they have the talent", but I think we've already covered that one, and I'm not going there again. Instead, my question is, "how do you get a team to play hard when they are already down 41-0, and how do you keep them playing as a team, instead of pointing fingers at each other?" As the Marshall player said, that isn't something all teams do.

In any case, Monroe starts his "down period" from the arbitrary starting point of the Miami game in 2012. Therefore I will create an arbitrary ending point for that period, and an arbitrary beginning for the new "up period", beginning with the 2014 Buffalo game. Ohio is now 3-1 since that game, and the only loss was a 7 point loss to the MAC Champions.

Monroe's arbitrary starting point isn't actually completely arbitrary. That's the point where TT made an error at the end of the game and failed to win it a the end, and the fans turned on him. Similarly my ending point isn't completely arbitrary. I feel like the attitude and effort went back to normal at the beginning of 2014, but the team was young. As the season wore on, the team got better, but it wasn't until the Buffalo game where the team finally really got things going, and got their confidence going.

I have confidence that the 2015 team will similarly continue to improve as the season goes on, and they will build up for even better 2016-2017 seasons. At some point in the next few years I think Solich will most likely retire, and I think he'll go out on a high note.
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