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Posted: 11/5/2015 12:04 AM
Yes Situation, your comment about BG being a bad team is spot on. Of course with the 62-24 beat down we just suffered I am not sure where that leaves us?
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Posted: 11/5/2015 12:11 AM
Babers has gone into S. Florida to stock up. It shows on the field.

Doesn't take a bunch of wins over winning teams to know that BG is legit. Just watch them warm up pre-game. Watch how efficiently and blindingly fast they run the hurry-up for a few downs. Watch a couple deep balls and how their receivers run a fly pattern. They're real.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 7:10 AM
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Yes Situation, your comment about BG being a bad team is spot on. Of course with the 62-24 beat down we just suffered I am not sure where that leaves us?
This is remarkable. You didn't read what I posted to comprehend; you read to create some fictional position of oposition that you could take your frustration out on.

At no point did I say BG was a bad team. I literally even posted in this thread if I my life was on the line I'd pick BG to cover.

I've consistently stated BG has yet to prove they're a good team. Which again, if OHIO is as bad as you people say they are then BG still hasn't proved they're a good team. They haven't beaten anyone. Yes they've played a good team close. But this game is about winning not moral victories (something I've also already said in this thread). They can run up the score all day but they're still 0-2 against good "eye test" teams with one of those losses by 29 points.

If there's any crow to beat eaten it's that bshot and Billy should admit "Vegas" was "wrong". That guy who set the initial spread for this game last night really dropped the ball if his calculation predicted BG was only going to win by 14, 15, 18, 20......
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Posted: 11/5/2015 9:44 AM
Guys, I am an old fart. I have played, watched and coached sports of all kinds and at all levels. I have always felt that you can learn a lot by looking at what your best opponents do. I thought FS&Co did this a bit after the Troy debacle. I think they are back to that point. So, I would say if they are gonna stick around they better change what they are doing again. This is NOT elite MAC football we are watching.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 9:54 AM
On another note...

BG is having a pretty successful season and that's the best their fans can provide in terms of attendance? Feel bad for their players and coaches. I know we do not pack them in during weekday nights but I think there was a reason that the camera angles were more restricted last night.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 9:58 AM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
On another note...

BG is having a pretty successful season and that's the best their fans can provide in terms of attendance? Feel bad for their players and coaches. I know we do not pack them in during weekday nights but I think there was a reason that the camera angles were more restricted last night.
I was a little surprised by that too. And remember, the weather was absolutely perfect last night and was much warmer than a typical early November evening in NW Ohio.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 10:04 AM
OUCats...that's life in the MAC and why young and successful coaches leave while old guys are able to stick arOUnd.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 11:39 AM
I've been too busy to read all the threads. I did take the time to watch the BG game in entirety, though. Even though the score was ugly, I thought Ohio did a lot of good things in the game, and I was left feeling like Ohio solved the most pressing issue, the lack of a running game. Ohio seemed to have made a minor change in the spacing between the offensive linemen (they seemed tighter against BG), and the result was good. Yes, Sprauge was rusty passing. Yes, BG torched the places where Ohio was short handed due to injury (interior defensive line, linebackers, and Bass out), but that wasn't unexpected, nor preventable.

The places where I wanted to see improvement, I did. Now it's time to beat Kent.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 12:49 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
Yes Situation, your comment about BG being a bad team is spot on. Of course with the 62-24 beat down we just suffered I am not sure where that leaves us?
This is remarkable. You didn't read what I posted to comprehend; you read to create some fictional position of oposition that you could take your frustration out on.

At no point did I say BG was a bad team. I literally even posted in this thread if I my life was on the line I'd pick BG to cover.

I've consistently stated BG has yet to prove they're a good team. Which again, if OHIO is as bad as you people say they are then BG still hasn't proved they're a good team. They haven't beaten anyone. Yes they've played a good team close. But this game is about winning not moral victories (something I've also already said in this thread). They can run up the score all day but they're still 0-2 against good "eye test" teams with one of those losses by 29 points.

If there's any crow to beat eaten it's that bshot and Billy should admit "Vegas" was "wrong". That guy who set the initial spread for this game last night really dropped the ball if his calculation predicted BG was only going to win by 14, 15, 18, 20......
BG hasn't proved it's a "good" team??? Come on man, get real. I don't think anyone is calling them a "great" team, but they've more than proven to be at least a "good" team. They beat two Big Teams on the road, they lead nearly the entire game and lost by only 3 to an undefeated and ranked Memphis team (who has beaten 2 Power 5 teams), and have throttled nearly ever MAC team they've played. They also haven't lost a MAC East game in 4 years! Yes, I know the East hasn't been stellar, but still, that's pretty impressive being that they've gone up against teams that are familiar with them and what they do and were underdogs in several of them. I do want to see what they do in their next 2 games vs WMU & UT, but win or lose those games, it still doesn't change the fact they're at least good team. If Ohio did what BG did this season many people on here would be declaring OU a great team. But to say BG isn't at least a good team though is hogwash.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 1:08 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I've been too busy to read all the threads. I did take the time to watch the BG game in entirety, though. Even though the score was ugly, I thought Ohio did a lot of good things in the game, and I was left feeling like Ohio solved the most pressing issue, the lack of a running game. Ohio seemed to have made a minor change in the spacing between the offensive linemen (they seemed tighter against BG), and the result was good. Yes, Sprauge was rusty passing. Yes, BG torched the places where Ohio was short handed due to injury (interior defensive line, linebackers, and Bass out), but that wasn't unexpected, nor preventable.

The places where I wanted to see improvement, I did. Now it's time to beat Kent.
If I'm Frank Solich, this is pretty much my mantra for the team for Kent week. Keep the heads up, continue coaching/tweaking, pray for medical miracles and go get 'em. Save the rest of the drama and the drastic changes for the off season. Despite the obvious disgust here, there is still football to be played.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 2:49 PM
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BG hasn't proved it's a "good" team??? Come on man, get real. I don't think anyone is calling them a "great" team, but they've more than proven to be at least a "good" team. They beat two Big Teams on the road, they lead nearly the entire game and lost by only 3 to an undefeated and ranked Memphis team (who has beaten 2 Power 5 teams), and have throttled nearly ever MAC team they've played. They also haven't lost a MAC East game in 4 years! Yes, I know the East hasn't been stellar, but still, that's pretty impressive being that they've gone up against teams that are familiar with them and what they do and were underdogs in several of them. I do want to see what they do in their next 2 games vs WMU & UT, but win or lose those games, it still doesn't change the fact they're at least good team. If Ohio did what BG did this season many people on here would be declaring OU a great team. But to say BG isn't at least a good team though is hogwash.
I apologize. I guess I just can't keep the rules straight on this message board. I'm just trying to keep my definition of "good" up to the standards of Bobcat Attack.

Throttling Kent, Akron, and UMass, (with 4 wins between the lot of them) beating Buffalo by 6 points, and then beating a couple recognizable teams with two (2) FBS wins between the pair of them IS PROOF that a team is good. (Didn't OHIO win a bowl game against an 8-win team by the score of 45-14 "IN THE LAST 35 GAMES?!" I digress). Then going home empty handed against an undefeated non-P5 team (with three wins by a TD or less) and losing to Tennessee by 29 points is just icing on the cake.

If that's good, so be it. Write it in stone. I'll be back in a couple years to measure the Bobcats against this standard.

I apologize for wanting to see just a little bit more from the team I described above before passing judgement. I didn't mark them as bad. I didn't say they weren't good.

The irony in all this is my threshold for "good" is just a little bit higher than the very people who falsely accuse me of living in some apathetic green tinted delusion.

P.S.

You're F'N' kidding me right?

If only this message board could catch it's F'N' tail.
Last Edited: 11/6/2015 2:57:14 PM by The Situation
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The Situation wrote:expand_more
I've consistently stated BG has yet to prove they're a good team.
Ok....

The Situation wrote:expand_more
I didn't say they weren't good.
Hmmm....

Now I'm confused.

Who's chasing their tail here?

The Situation wrote:expand_more
If there's any crow to beat eaten it's that bshot and Billy should admit "Vegas" was "wrong". That guy who set the initial spread for this game last night really dropped the ball if his calculation predicted BG was only going to win by 14, 15, 18, 20......
Ok. I will eat crow. Serve it up. You were 100% right about Vegas.

Whatever.

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3. The spread is mystifying when the historical context is removed.
You were arguing that the spread at 20' was wrong....that it was too lopsided based on your "statistical analysis"

bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I love the 'Cats....but they are who they are....the 7th or 8th best team in the MAC.

That's why the spread is 20'

And that's why they'll lose by 30
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I'm still thinking more 63-14
I said 63-14 as my final score....obviously I didn't think Vegas was right with the 21 pt spread. I said that was low.

But keep trying to show us all how smart you are and how the rest of us are dumb.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 6:20 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I've been too busy to read all the threads. I did take the time to watch the BG game in entirety, though. Even though the score was ugly, I thought Ohio did a lot of good things in the game, and I was left feeling like Ohio solved the most pressing issue, the lack of a running game. Ohio seemed to have made a minor change in the spacing between the offensive linemen (they seemed tighter against BG), and the result was good. Yes, Sprauge was rusty passing. Yes, BG torched the places where Ohio was short handed due to injury (interior defensive line, linebackers, and Bass out), but that wasn't unexpected, nor preventable.

The places where I wanted to see improvement, I did. Now it's time to beat Kent.

This is an absurd analysis. The refusal to get the point is impressive. The ability to mistake the barest of crumbs for the main course is impressive.

I guess this was one of those good losses because it was by more than 18 points.



Let's take a look at who we should hire for our next coach. Let's hire this guy Solich who's doing so impressively at Ohio.

is this him? (quoting bshot44)


This is a perfect example of being absolutely content with mediocrity.

Since "The Sack" at Miami....to quote Monroe...we are in full meltdown mode.

2015:

L WMU 49-14
L Buffalo 41-17
L BG 62-24

2014:
L CMU 28-10
L BG 31-13
L WMU 42-21
L NIU 21-14

2013:
L Buffalo 30-3
L BG 49-0
L Kent 44-13

2012
L BG 26-14
L Ball 52-27
L Kent 28-6

THAT'S 0-13 TO ABOVE .500 MAC SCHOOLS?!?!?!

BY AN AVERAGE SCORE OF 38.6-13.5

That's flat out embarrassing and unacceptable. There's only one game on there we lost by less than 10 points.

C'mon. It's time. This is getting no better...only worse with every 62-24 loss.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 7:41 PM
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I've consistently stated BG has yet to prove they're a good team.
Ok....

I didn't say they weren't good.
Hmmm....

Now I'm confused.

Who's chasing their tail here?
Yet to prove they're good is open ended.

Thats what you're not comprehending.

No I haven't said they're good yet. I also haven't ruled out eventually concluding they're good at a later point this season when more data is available.

There is no contradiction here.

I would intellectually dismantle you in front of a jury.

Waiting to reach a conclusion is not a rejection of a possibility.

Go scribble on some sidewalk bro.

Your thought process is primitive.

The Situation wrote:expand_more
3. The spread is mystifying when the historical context is removed.

bshot44 wrote:expand_more
You were arguing that the spread at 20' was wrong....that it was too lopsided based on your "statistical analysis"

I was arguing that the spread was an anomaly.

These last three season have been bizzare. There's more to it than what lies on the surface.

But I did not say the spread was wrong. Because after all I stated that if my life was on the line I would pick BG to cover. (Which at the end of the day nothing is more valuable to most individuals than they're life)

I will say you picked the winning score while simultaneously picking BG to win by 20.

Hedge your bets much?
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:14 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
I've consistently stated BG has yet to prove they're a good team.
Ok....

I didn't say they weren't good.
Hmmm....

Now I'm confused.

Who's chasing their tail here?
Yet to prove they're good is open ended.

Thats what you're not comprehending.

No I haven't said they're good yet. I also haven't ruled out eventually concluding they're good at a later point this season when more data is available.

There is no contradiction here.

I would intellectually dismantle you in front of a jury.

Waiting to reach a conclusion is not a rejection of a possibility.

Go scribble on some sidewalk bro.

Your thought process is primitive.

3. The spread is mystifying when the historical context is removed.

You were arguing that the spread at 20' was wrong....that it was too lopsided based on your "statistical analysis"

I was arguing that the spread was an anomaly.

These last three season have been bizzare. There's more to it than what lies on the surface.

But I did not say the spread was wrong. Because after all I stated that if my life was on the line I would pick BG to cover. (Which at the end of the day nothing is more valuable to most individuals than they're life)

I will say you picked the winning score while simultaneously picking BG to win by 20.

Hedge your bets much?
Is it time to vote this guy off the island?
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:21 PM
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THAT'S 0-13 TO ABOVE .500 MAC SCHOOLS?!?!?!
(Monroe drools on the keyboard again. Forgets the only MAC school above 0.500 BG has beaten this year is OHIO)
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:23 PM
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Is it time to vote this guy off the island?
oh god I'm just stating my opinion god can't this just be a place where people can state their opinion god. I'm just stating my opinion god. My opinion feels so oppressed
Last Edited: 11/6/2015 9:25:28 PM by The Situation
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:25 PM
Honestly I'm just looking for a place where I can be negative in peace.

P.S.

I thought this was the place
Last Edited: 11/6/2015 9:32:47 PM by The Situation
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Posted: 11/7/2015 6:22 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I've consistently stated BG has yet to prove they're a good team.
Ok....

I didn't say they weren't good.
Hmmm....

Now I'm confused.

Who's chasing their tail here?
Yet to prove they're good is open ended.

Thats what you're not comprehending.

No I haven't said they're good yet. I also haven't ruled out eventually concluding they're good at a later point this season when more data is available.

There is no contradiction here.

I would intellectually dismantle you in front of a jury.

Waiting to reach a conclusion is not a rejection of a possibility.

Go scribble on some sidewalk bro.

Your thought process is primitive.

3. The spread is mystifying when the historical context is removed.

You were arguing that the spread at 20' was wrong....that it was too lopsided based on your "statistical analysis"

I was arguing that the spread was an anomaly.

These last three season have been bizzare. There's more to it than what lies on the surface.

But I did not say the spread was wrong. Because after all I stated that if my life was on the line I would pick BG to cover. (Which at the end of the day nothing is more valuable to most individuals than they're life)

I will say you picked the winning score while simultaneously picking BG to win by 20.

Hedge your bets much?
Is it time to vote this guy off the island?
You have my vote
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Posted: 11/7/2015 7:21 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Is it time to vote this guy off the island?
You have my vote
If only OHIO could've voted BG off the island instead of admit defeat.
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Posted: 11/7/2015 10:00 PM
The infallible litmus test Memphis is down 18 at home in the fourth to perinnnial power Navy.

Merely losing by 3 to the Tigers validates your presence.
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Posted: 11/7/2015 10:13 PM
Memphis down 25 at home to GOLIATH with 3 minutes left.

Time for Memphis to score. BG's reputation depends on it
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Posted: 11/7/2015 11:11 PM
I think reformatting Republican and Democratic candidates vying for their respective nominations should move to a Survivor/vote off the island format.

Debates? C'mon man.
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Posted: 11/8/2015 9:13 AM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
Memphis down 25 at home to GOLIATH with 3 minutes left.

Time for Memphis to score. BG's reputation depends on it
Yeah, yeah, we know, we know: Navy beat Memphis, but Memphis beat Ole Miss, and Ole Miss beat Alabama, but Alabama just beat LSU.....WTF is the world coming to?! Does this mean there isn't a single decent team in all of college football?? You probably didn't get a wink of sleep last night with all the turmoil.
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Posted: 11/8/2015 10:14 AM
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Memphis down 25 at home to GOLIATH with 3 minutes left.

Time for Memphis to score. BG's reputation depends on it
Yeah, yeah, we know, we know: Navy beat Memphis, but Memphis beat Ole Miss, and Ole Miss beat Alabama, but Alabama just beat LSU.....WTF is the world coming to?! Does this mean there isn't a single decent team in all of college football?? You probably didn't get a wink of sleep last night with all the turmoil.
And Ole Miss lost to Arkansas who lost to Toledo.

Looks like BG will get a chance to really shake things up if they can at least get a moral victory against Toledo.

The tail chase continues...
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