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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:26 PM
its not "all the sudden", these issues have been building and building and last spring there were promises of change, but 6 months later there has been no change, only more issues and problems.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:27 PM
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This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Yeah that's another problem. I'm wondering how big of a story this had been had the Missouri football team not been connected to it. The President might still have a job, might not. Tough to tell.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:29 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
From what I understand the faculty was joining the protest and were going to refuse to teach.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:32 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Yeah that's another problem. I'm wondering how big of a story this had been had the Missouri football team not been connected to it.
Good for them. They (athletes) are raised up on a platform by the university, alumni, media, etc. Excellent to see them use that platform when asked to by other students (and joined in by faculty).
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:42 PM
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This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Yeah that's another problem. I'm wondering how big of a story this had been had the Missouri football team not been connected to it.
Good for them. They (athletes) are raised up on a platform by the university, alumni, media, etc. Excellent to see them use that platform when asked to by other students (and joined in by faculty).
Of course. That's all well and good. It doesn't make the issues on campus any more significant though. As BTC has pointed out, this is a problem that has been going on. It should have been a bigger story before the football team got involved.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:46 PM
Yes it should have been a bigger issue. Shame on the Administration for ignoring the issue and shame on the media for slighting the actions that were reported. Applause to the students for finally saying, enough is a enough. And special recognition to the athletes for using their leverage to shine a light on the actual significance of the situation.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:49 PM
All I'm hearing is a lot of general stuff "this has been a problem for awhile" and "things need to change" and so on. What has been going on - Are professors openly racist, does the university apply tougher standards to minorities, do campus businesses shun minority customers? What is happening?

And then, depending on your answer to the first...what should the university have been doing to help the problem?
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:53 PM
Question is,does this make things better or worse.

The campus is primarily white.
It doesn't seem like this was an issue to the majority of students before last weekend.

How they react is what will determine if the President's resignation accomplishes anything positive.

I also thought Mizzu was this great inclusive place.
Micheal Sam had nothing but positive comments about the school when he came out.
You would think,if Mizzu was that bad,an openly gay,black football player would have been an easy "target".




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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:00 PM
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You guys are so funny.

The players are unpaid for all their effort and physical risk. They have no rights to profit from any of their success and they can't even freely move between universities without being penalized. They are paid with a scholarship to study...an activity they have little time to pursue. They are akin to indentured servants. And yet when they use their modicum of power for anything that doesn't directly server their masters, they get universal criticism from the "fans."

This is the plantation mentality of the modern college sports fan.

Good for them. They bring in millions for their school and if they decide that their current administration is behaving unjustly (or being unresponsive to a hostile campus environment) they have the right to do whatever they'd like to elicit change.
maybe they should try sweeping floors or flipping burgers to pay for their education and see how well that goes. I'm not saying being an athlete at the scholarship level is easy... if it were, everyone would do it... but a little perspective, please. Indentured servants? That is one of the all-time dumb-shit sentiments ever expressed on this board.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:06 PM
And now the game is back on and practice resumes.

The President's speech sounded pretty positive towards change, albeit he wasn't the one who made the change.

But there is an example of a football team's power over a university.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:08 PM
A campus group, Concerned Student 1950, which refers to the year the first black student was admitted to the university, has held multiple demonstrations this fall protesting what Missouri graduate student Jonathan L. Butler described as a “slew of racist, sexist, homophobic” incidents on the university’s Columbia, Mo., campus, and Wolfe’s response to them.

A group of black students were rehearsing a skit in early October when a white student climbed onto stage and shouted racial slurs. Protesters blocked the president’s car during the homecoming parade a few days later; he looked detached and did not engage with them as they shouted. Later that month they issued a list of eight demands, including Wolfe’s removal as president.

The group also accused Wolfe of allowing his driver to hit one of the protesters, and of not intervening when the local police department “used excessive force” to deal with the demonstration. Unless Wolfe “acknowledge[s] his white male privilege, recognize that systems of oppression exist, and provide a verbal commitment to fulfilling Concerned Students 1-9-5-0 demands,” the group insisted that he resign.

Apparently, not engaging shouting demonstrators who block traffic is a firing offense in Missouri. Who knew?
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:10 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
And now the game is back on and practice resumes.

The President's speech sounded pretty positive towards change, albeit he wasn't the one who made the change.

But there is an example of a football team's power over a university.
Not sure if it was the team's power or the power of the money that it represents. Regardless, the times will be changing at Missouri and soon and that is a good thing.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:21 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Note Missouri played on a Thursday last week, and the strike wasn't declared till Friday/Saturday (I'm not sure which). Strategic timing on the players' parts.
(Note, I'm not saying 'strategic' there in a negative or judgemental way. I would say it was good timing on their part to avoid putting their season/fan/alumni support at risk.)
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:24 PM
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All I'm hearing is a lot of general stuff "this has been a problem for awhile" and "things need to change" and so on. What has been going on - Are professors openly racist, does the university apply tougher standards to minorities, do campus businesses shun minority customers? What is happening?

And then, depending on your answer to the first...what should the university have been doing to help the problem?
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I also thought Mizzu was this great inclusive place.
Micheal Sam had nothing but positive comments about the school when he came out.
You would think,if Mizzu was that bad,an openly gay,black football player would have been an easy "target".
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:28 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Note Missouri played on a Thursday last week, and the strike wasn't declared till Friday/Saturday (I'm not sure which). Strategic timing on the players' parts.
(Note, I'm not saying 'strategic' there in a negative or judgemental way. I would say it was good timing on their part to avoid putting their season/fan/alumni support at risk.)
While many on here and across the nation applaud the players and coaches for what they have done, there are many others who would throw them under the bus because the game/season is more important than justice. Oh, they'll say "that's not what I'm saying" but if cancelling the season makes them angry, their anger is saying exactly that. For after all, actions speak louder than words.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:45 PM
We got the President! Next up is that damn statue!

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/10/23/deba...
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:12 PM
Good riddance. Discontent with him went far deeper than the football team. At best the guy may have made some seriously tone-deaf communication errors. He might have had more of a leg to stand on if his initial appointment was not so questionable. He had absolutely no experience in academia to go along with no fundraising experience. His highest degree earned was a bachelor's (his other certificate is a one-month, deeply cynical moneymaker for Harvard).

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/the-platform...
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:18 PM
Having friends and family from Missouri (and ties to the University), it has always surprised me how racists the state is - especially down in the Lake of the Ozarks area. The University system has also had issues (cotton balls strewn in front of African American facilities, noose placed on dorm doors, racial slurs, etc.) While these can always be dismissed as isolated incidents, when the Governor, US Senator, student leaders (student senate, athletes, alumni - such as Michael Sam), as well as faculty and coaches, call for change - it appears the situation is real (the fact that the majority of students who are white do not see an issue does not even warrant a response).

As someone stated above, now what? Impacting change is relatively easy. Impacting improvement is the challenge. What the University system appears to have embraced (as did the President in his departing remarks), is the status-quo was not working.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:22 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Note Missouri played on a Thursday last week, and the strike wasn't declared till Friday/Saturday (I'm not sure which). Strategic timing on the players' parts.
(Note, I'm not saying 'strategic' there in a negative or judgemental way. I would say it was good timing on their part to avoid putting their season/fan/alumni support at risk.)
While many on here and across the nation applaud the players and coaches for what they have done, there are many others who would throw them under the bus because the game/season is more important than justice. Oh, they'll say "that's not what I'm saying" but if cancelling the season makes them angry, their anger is saying exactly that. For after all, actions speak louder than words.
Justice ?

If what I heard on the radio is accurate,the faculty never liked the President because if only had a Bachelors degree.

It doesn't sound like the majority of the students had any issues with him.

Sounds like there was a lot of political pressure just to make this go away.

Where I come from that's not justics,that's "pandering".

I also want to know what kind of compensation they had to give the President to get him to resign.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:43 PM
The protesters wanted the president to proclaim his "white privilege." That tells it all right there.

Bet that Thomas Jefferson statue gets removed soon 'cause we need our "safe spaces!!!!!"



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This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Note Missouri played on a Thursday last week, and the strike wasn't declared till Friday/Saturday (I'm not sure which). Strategic timing on the players' parts.
(Note, I'm not saying 'strategic' there in a negative or judgemental way. I would say it was good timing on their part to avoid putting their season/fan/alumni support at risk.)
While many on here and across the nation applaud the players and coaches for what they have done, there are many others who would throw them under the bus because the game/season is more important than justice. Oh, they'll say "that's not what I'm saying" but if cancelling the season makes them angry, their anger is saying exactly that. For after all, actions speak louder than words.
Justice ?

If what I heard on the radio is accurate,the faculty never liked the President because if only had a Bachelors degree.

It doesn't sound like the majority of the students had any issues with him.

Sounds like there was a lot of political pressure just to make this go away.

Where I come from that's not justics,that's "pandering".

I also want to know what kind of compensation they had to give the President to get him to resign.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:50 PM
In my humble opinion, on the surface this appears to be institutionalized oppression by the minority rather than institutionalized oppression of the minority. I don't anticipate any additional details surfacing beyond the superficial.

I genuinely didn't even know people identifying as black (or African American), in general, were offended by swastikas. Moreover, I personally find it really hard to believe someone with complete control of their mental faculties would take the time to draw a swastika with feces in an attempt to oppress blacks.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:54 PM
The swastika was obviously targeting the Jewish community - agree it takes a fool to do such a thing - actually knew someone at OHIO that played with their own feces. Odd fellow indeed.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:58 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
In my humble opinion, on the surface this appears to be institutionalized oppression by the minority rather than institutionalized oppression of the minority. I don't anticipate any additional details surfacing beyond the superficial.

I genuinely didn't even know people identifying as black (or African American), in general, were offended by swastikas. Moreover, I personally find it really hard to believe someone with complete control of their mental faculties would take the time to draw a swastika with feces in an attempt to oppress blacks.
Blacks were not exterminated the ways others were during Nazi Germany, but they were still considered an inferior race. That's what made Jesse Owens' triumph in the Olympics so special.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 3:31 PM
One thing that struck me as odd was that only the football team took issue with the President.

I would think the men's and women's B.B. teams have a number of blacks on their teams too.
If the situation was as bad as advertised,they shoud have been on board with the football team too.

There seems to be a lot of "selective outrage" with this issue.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 4:03 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
One thing that struck me as odd was that only the football team took issue with the President.

I would think the men's and women's B.B. teams have a number of blacks on their teams too.
If the situation was as bad as advertised,they shoud have been on board with the football team too.

There seems to be a lot of "selective outrage" with this issue.
The game this weekend is at Arrowhead - a very big deal for the University. Not sure where the basketball team's voice is (they play Winthrop Friday), but the football team's situation provided more weight at this time (per folks in KC).
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