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Alan Swank
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Posted: 11/8/2015 8:34 PM
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Been reading about this all day. Wonder what the rest of Bobcatattack posters think:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/08/missouri-to-boycott-... /

And yes OCF, I posted a link to fox news.
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Posted: 11/8/2015 8:51 PM
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I think it's great, people need to make a stand! Not just let the establishment get away with crap
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Posted: 11/8/2015 10:04 PM
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Do you really think that 32 football players should be able to fire the president of the university? I would think their scholarships could be revoked if they refuse to play a game. If they don't play and Missouri forfeits what does this do to the SEC conference. How many games are left?

I am not saying something doesn't need to be done, but demanding the president be fired, or we won't play is not the way to have positive things happen.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:44 AM
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Perhaps next the Missouri football team can protest until all FBS teams play an equal number of home games.

Injustice anywhere! P5 Privilege!
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:45 AM
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From reading the Fox article,as well as articles in the papers out here in N.J.,there are racial issues at the school.However,from what's been published,they don't seem to be enough to warrant removing the President.

If I'm reading the articles correctrly:

1.They quote 2 incidents of racial slurs.
One from a pick up truck, that could have been anyone.
The other, a drunk student.

2.Stating that President should acknowledge being a "white male of privillege" to me,reduces the objectivity of the protestors' position.

3.Just what percentage of the faculty is black ?

4.Isn't hiring supposed to be based on qualifiactions not race ?

5.Out here a swastika is used as a racail symbol against Jews,not Blacks.
If a symbol was used to try to intimidate blacks I'd think they'd use "KKK" or "White Power".
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Posted: 11/9/2015 8:22 AM
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someone in a pickup truck yells racial slur....

"THE PRESIDENT MUST STEP DOWN!"


logic!
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Posted: 11/9/2015 9:40 AM
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Toast wrote:expand_more
someone in a pickup truck yells racial slur....

"THE PRESIDENT MUST STEP DOWN!"


logic!
Well, McDavis is toast. One of my sons-in-laws, who is Asian, claims that a few years ago when he was in Athens and was walking down Richland Avenue with his young daughter that a man in a pickup truck with a gun-rack leaned out the window and yelled "chink." Now, this son-in-law often makes things up, so whether or not this incident actually occurred is a matter of some debate. However, in these matters, truth is often the first casualty. I might add that my other son-in-law, who is African American, has never reported any racial issues in Athens; in fact, he is kind of fond of Athens.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 9:42 AM
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Could be an interesting day in Missouri as the storm continues to grow:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/concernedstudent1950-...

and:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/09/missouri-to-boycott-...
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Posted: 11/9/2015 9:50 AM
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According what I've read, 7% of the students are black and 17% of faculty/staff members are.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 9:56 AM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
According what I've read, 7% of the students are black and 17% of faculty/staff members are.
Looks closer to 3% for faculty:

https://diversity.missouri.edu/about/stats/faculty.php
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Where was the campus outrage in 2010?


http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10323102/universit...
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:12 AM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
According what I've read, 7% of the students are black and 17% of faculty/staff members are.
Looks closer to 3% for faculty:

https://diversity.missouri.edu/about/stats/faculty.php
If I'm reading the link correctly,the % you refer to only covers Full Time "Ranked,Tenured Track" faculty.
That would leave out a lot of faculty and staff.

I also just heard on the news that the Faculty/1950 or whatever its called not only want the President out,but want the students and faculty to be able to vote for the new President.

Sounds like the SDS or whatever they're calling themselves at O.U.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:15 AM
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Interesting that some of the players are saying if the football team was 9-0 and not 4-5 this wouldn't be an issue.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:16 AM
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Just announced his resignation.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:22 AM
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akroncat wrote:expand_more
Do you really think that 32 football players should be able to fire the president of the university? I would think their scholarships could be revoked if they refuse to play a game. If they don't play and Missouri forfeits what does this do to the SEC conference. How many games are left?

I am not saying something doesn't need to be done, but demanding the president be fired, or we won't play is not the way to have positive things happen.
It's way more than 32 football players, they are just the only ones who have the power to make the problems public.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:34 AM
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Here's my thought about this:

If there is such a deep rooted and "institutionalized" issue of racism on this campus, why are these football players and/or students committing to going to Missouri in the first place? Or why don't they transfer once they find out how bad it really is?

I use that word "institutionalized" because that's the word the black leaders are using in their open letter to the University. They're making it sound like this goes back further than just a couple of isolated incidents which have been given as examples and can't be guaranteed they are crimes even being committed by students.

If there is really something deeper and uglier than what's going on then yes, there certainly is a problem and it needs to be dealt with. However, I'm reserving judgement because some guy yelled a racial slur out of truck window. You think that stuff doesn't happen anywhere else but Columbia, Missouri?
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:35 AM
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Just now reading about this...this is really weird. So it is the university president's job to make sure nobody ever says anything offensive? What are they saying he should have done?

Just bizarre. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:06 PM
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Very interesting times at Yale, too. Similar issues, but no football team involvement. A few different takes:

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/11/05/students-confron... /

https://www.thefire.org/yale-students-demand-resignations... /

https://medium.com/keep-learning-keep-growing/what-s-real...


I was in Athens during the early 2000s, so protests against the invasion of Iraq is my barometer for campus activism. My personal take on this is it seems like there are lots of bigger issues to be protested than the random racial slur or offensive email.

I always heard the legends from the race riots in Athens back in the 60s and 70s, so I'm curious how these events compared to the climate going on back then if any of you who survived it wants to share stories.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:08 PM
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This goes deeper than a student called a name by a passing pickup truck. The President has even stated in the past that the campus needs to make changes. Those changes are simply not coming.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:11 PM
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The Presidents resignation: Saying he takes "full responsibility for the inaction that has occurred," he asked that the university community listen to each other's problems and "stop intimidating each other."

"This is not -- I repeat, not -- the way change should come about. Change comes from listening, learning, caring and conversation," he said. "Use my resignation to heal and start talking again."




And interesting note, Coach Pinkel fully supports his players and their stance. That is leadership!
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You guys are so funny.

The players are unpaid for all their effort and physical risk. They have no rights to profit from any of their success and they can't even freely move between universities without being penalized. They are paid with a scholarship to study...an activity they have little time to pursue. They are akin to indentured servants. And yet when they use their modicum of power for anything that doesn't directly server their masters, they get universal criticism from the "fans."

This is the plantation mentality of the modern college sports fan.

Good for them. They bring in millions for their school and if they decide that their current administration is behaving unjustly (or being unresponsive to a hostile campus environment) they have the right to do whatever they'd like to elicit change.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:13 PM
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
You guys are so funny.

The players are unpaid for all their effort and physical risk. They have no rights to profit from any of their success and they can't even freely move between universities without being penalized. They are paid with a scholarship to study...an activity they have little time to pursue. They are akin to indentured servants. And yet when they use their modicum of power for anything that doesn't directly server their masters, they get universal criticism from the "fans."

This is the plantation mentality of the modern college sports fan.

Good for them. They bring in millions for their school and if they decide that their current administration is behaving unjustly (or being unresponsive to a hostile campus environment) they have the right to do whatever they'd like to elicit change.

Well put Paul!!!!! And I noted above that Coach Pinkel fully supported his players.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:18 PM
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The situation at Missouri goes beyond racial slurs. The Jewish community has also felt threatened - as evident from the swastika drawn in human feces in an MU dormitory. The outcry is not about the incidents, but the lack of honest/open discussion and action from the administration when brought to their attention. I commend the students and student-athletes for taking a stand.
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
You guys are so funny.

The players are unpaid for all their effort and physical risk. They have no rights to profit from any of their success and they can't even freely move between universities without being penalized. They are paid with a scholarship to study...an activity they have little time to pursue. They are akin to indentured servants. And yet when they use their modicum of power for anything that doesn't directly server their masters, they get universal criticism from the "fans."

This is the plantation mentality of the modern college sports fan.

Good for them. They bring in millions for their school and if they decide that their current administration is behaving unjustly (or being unresponsive to a hostile campus environment) they have the right to do whatever they'd like to elicit change.
Paul I dont disagree with what you say and fully support and expect students on campuses to act out in protest if need be. This includes athletes.

I'm just wondering why now? Why hasn't this been done before? And like one of the football players has already stated, would this have happened if the team was performing better this season? Also, do you think Pinkel would support this if the team was 9-0 and in line for an SEC title game and Playoff appearance?

It just seems weird to me that all of a sudden since the team isn't performing well they can start caring about issues on campus. I'm sure they always care about the issues, but protesting and not participating in their sport is not an every day thing. Do it during a good year and THAT makes a statement.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 12:25 PM
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This could be a real game changer on college campuses. The message is clear, a group of students with power can affect change. It's sad though that it took the thought of not having a game on a Saturday afternoon to accomplish this. Talk about misplaced priorities.
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