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Thank you Mr. Obvious.

Of course, you are going to get a lot of wins vs. bad teams.

But to have ZERO win vs. good teams (in the MAC) the last four years is "not good"

Sorry. We don't even have a "consider yourself lucky" moment in this league the last four years.

If we had just a couple, I don't think a lot of these discussions would be happening.

A couple "consider yourself lucky" moments might mean 1 or 2 MAC titles or a couple more trips to Detroit to play for a MAC title in the Solich era.

Bottom line is....we don't have those moments....and have had none of them in the MAC the last four years.

That's not something I'm going to just say "Oh well, we're Ohio...so that's totally okay"

We should be better than that....so pardon me for setting my expectations a little higher.
I figured this would happen. Many others predicted it; few believed it. But here it is, right in front of y'all. A bunch of spoiled brats where anything less than GREAT just isn't good enough for you.

Let me take you back in time to 1962 when an unknown Bob Devany came to Lincoln from Wyoming and coached Nebraska to a 9-2 record, following decades of mediocre football. And for the next 10 years it was more of the same and the fans were riding high. Then came disaster: back-to-back seasons of 6-4 football ('67 and '68)... and the fans and the deep-pocketed alumni wanted Bob Devany's head on a platter: "This is a disgrace!" But the administration stayed with him, and 3 years later Devany coached the Huskers to back-to-back MNC's.

After one more year (trying for his 3rd MNC) he turned to Tom Osborne to be his successor. Ten years later, number one-ranked NU lost in the Orange Bowl and the fans and the alumni wanted his head on a platter: "Osborne simply can't win "the big one" and we need to find a coach who can!" And the chant continued for another 11 years until Osborne won the first of his 3 MNC's (just missing out on 4 in a row).

Do I have to remind you of the Solich story? You should all have that memorized by now. After a 9-3 season that included yet another bowl win, an A.D. who had a hard-on for Solich single-handedly brought the Husker football program to its knees, and it has yet to recover.

This is what happens when fans and alumni ... and administrations - forget to appreciate what they have.

But to many of you here on this board, it's simply not enough, is it?

You should take a long hard look at yourselves and where the program is today compared to where it was when Frank arrived.

You should all be very ashamed of yourselves. Spoiled brats.

WE'RE NOT 9-3 EVERY YEAR!!! WE'RE NOT WINNING CONFERENCE TITLES! WE'RE NOT EVEN COMPETING FOR CONFERENCE TITLES!

WE'RE 0-13 VS MAC TEAMS WITH WINNING RECORDS THE LAST 4 YEARS!

Comparing OU vs Nebraska situations is absolutely absurd! C'mon!

Get your head out of the sand.

To even insinuate we are unhappy about Nebraska-level success is silly. I think 85-90% of the people on here would take the Nebraska success and run.

But news flash! WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT KIND OF SUCCESS!

We're a 6-6 or 7-5 program the last four years (about to become 5 years)

Spoiled brats my ass.
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Let's stop trying to extend the coaching staff after a victory against Kent State. Let's aim higher, please. Thank you. Btw, I love Solich, he is a Clevelander and I remember him challenging the team to a push up contest when he first arrived. However, he has to get us over the hump. The one thing that dogged Solich at Nebraska is somewhat dogging him here, that was his predictability and lack of passing game on offense. He needs to get somebody on the staff that can recruit QB's, God bless him and the team.
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I figured this would happen. Many others predicted it; few believed it. But here it is, right in front of y'all. A bunch of spoiled brats where anything less than GREAT just isn't good enough for you.

Let me take you back in time to 1962 when an unknown Bob Devany came to Lincoln from Wyoming and coached Nebraska to a 9-2 record, following decades of mediocre football. And for the next 10 years it was more of the same and the fans were riding high. Then came disaster: back-to-back seasons of 6-4 football ('67 and '68)... and the fans and the deep-pocketed alumni wanted Bob Devany's head on a platter: "This is a disgrace!" But the administration stayed with him, and 3 years later Devany coached the Huskers to back-to-back MNC's.

After one more year (trying for his 3rd MNC) he turned to Tom Osborne to be his successor. Ten years later, number one-ranked NU lost in the Orange Bowl and the fans and the alumni wanted his head on a platter: "Osborne simply can't win "the big one" and we need to find a coach who can!" And the chant continued for another 11 years until Osborne won the first of his 3 MNC's (just missing out on 4 in a row).

Do I have to remind you of the Solich story? You should all have that memorized by now. After a 9-3 season that included yet another bowl win, an A.D. who had a hard-on for Solich single-handedly brought the Husker football program to its knees, and it has yet to recover.

This is what happens when fans and alumni ... and administrations - forget to appreciate what they have.

But to many of you here on this board, it's simply not enough, is it?

You should take a long hard look at yourselves and where the program is today compared to where it was when Frank arrived.

You should all be very ashamed of yourselves. Spoiled brats.
+1000

Say it like it is, Old Man.
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I figured this would happen. Many others predicted it; few believed it. But here it is, right in front of y'all. A bunch of spoiled brats where anything less than GREAT just isn't good enough for you.

Let me take you back in time to 1962 when an unknown Bob Devany came to Lincoln from Wyoming and coached Nebraska to a 9-2 record, following decades of mediocre football. And for the next 10 years it was more of the same and the fans were riding high. Then came disaster: back-to-back seasons of 6-4 football ('67 and '68)... and the fans and the deep-pocketed alumni wanted Bob Devany's head on a platter: "This is a disgrace!" But the administration stayed with him, and 3 years later Devany coached the Huskers to back-to-back MNC's.

After one more year (trying for his 3rd MNC) he turned to Tom Osborne to be his successor. Ten years later, number one-ranked NU lost in the Orange Bowl and the fans and the alumni wanted his head on a platter: "Osborne simply can't win "the big one" and we need to find a coach who can!" And the chant continued for another 11 years until Osborne won the first of his 3 MNC's (just missing out on 4 in a row).

Do I have to remind you of the Solich story? You should all have that memorized by now. After a 9-3 season that included yet another bowl win, an A.D. who had a hard-on for Solich single-handedly brought the Husker football program to its knees, and it has yet to recover.

This is what happens when fans and alumni ... and administrations - forget to appreciate what they have.

But to many of you here on this board, it's simply not enough, is it?

You should take a long hard look at yourselves and where the program is today compared to where it was when Frank arrived.

You should all be very ashamed of yourselves. Spoiled brats.
+1000

Say it like it is, Old Man.
I'm sorry. I'm not asking for great. I'm just asking for competitive.

We have played within 10 points of a MAC team with a winning record in the league ONCE in the last four years.

0-13 with most losses coming in blowout fashion.

Yup. Spoiled, we are.
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Do I have to remind you of the Solich story? You should all have that memorized by now. After a 9-3 season that included yet another bowl win, an A.D. who had a hard-on for Solich single-handedly brought the Husker football program to its knees, and it has yet to recover.

This is what happens when fans and alumni ... and administrations - forget to appreciate what they have.

But to many of you here on this board, it's simply not enough, is it?

You should take a long hard look at yourselves and where the program is today compared to where it was when Frank arrived.
I'm taking a hard look at how Solich is managing the program. He gets on the radio and says he was surprised the run game worked after seeing on film what Kent State did to opponents. Then Vick gets on and said he told the coaching staff that to have a chance they needed to call QB draws to keep the defense honest. Then Vick goes on to say that Reid, Smith and any TE were under double coverage the whole night. What it says to me is Vick made the game plan and understood what was happening on the field. I'm sure he's a bright guy and very capable of crafting a game plan but what does this say about the coaches? Also they put way too much emphasis on game experience over talent. They use a ranking system based on a players game reps. P.J. Fleck at WMU brought it some studs and playing the second they arrived. At QB experience is important I can agree with that. Its the cog of the offense. At running back how much game experience do you need? In the NFL RB is one of the positions easiest for a rookie to make an immediate impact. Some of the MAC coaches like Martin at Miami will put a true freshman QB mid way through the year if that is the guy with the talent and the seniors don't perform. Don't get me wrong the consistency of the program has been nice with only 2 losing seasons in 11 years but its mostly due to weak scheduling. Its inconceivable for Frank to win a conference MAC Championship with the conservative offenses he runs. Ohio is the best school in the MAC by most metrics. Princeton Review rated the campus 3rd most beautiful in FBS behind SMU and Ole Miss. The football program here can do better than no MAC Championships in 11 years. Nebraska program over achieved when there was no scholarship limits. Now its back to earth. Ohio's never gone undefeated in MAC play under Solich. Good stretches but its never been great.

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I figured this would happen. Many others predicted it; few believed it. But here it is, right in front of y'all. A bunch of spoiled brats where anything less than GREAT just isn't good enough for you.

Let me take you back in time to 1962 when an unknown Bob Devany came to Lincoln from Wyoming and coached Nebraska to a 9-2 record, following decades of mediocre football. And for the next 10 years it was more of the same and the fans were riding high. Then came disaster: back-to-back seasons of 6-4 football ('67 and '68)... and the fans and the deep-pocketed alumni wanted Bob Devany's head on a platter: "This is a disgrace!" But the administration stayed with him, and 3 years later Devany coached the Huskers to back-to-back MNC's.

After one more year (trying for his 3rd MNC) he turned to Tom Osborne to be his successor. Ten years later, number one-ranked NU lost in the Orange Bowl and the fans and the alumni wanted his head on a platter: "Osborne simply can't win "the big one" and we need to find a coach who can!" And the chant continued for another 11 years until Osborne won the first of his 3 MNC's (just missing out on 4 in a row).

Do I have to remind you of the Solich story? You should all have that memorized by now. After a 9-3 season that included yet another bowl win, an A.D. who had a hard-on for Solich single-handedly brought the Husker football program to its knees, and it has yet to recover.

This is what happens when fans and alumni ... and administrations - forget to appreciate what they have.

But to many of you here on this board, it's simply not enough, is it?

You should take a long hard look at yourselves and where the program is today compared to where it was when Frank arrived.

You should all be very ashamed of yourselves. Spoiled brats.
+1000

Say it like it is, Old Man.
I'm sorry. I'm not asking for great. I'm just asking for competitive.

We have played within 10 points of a MAC team with a winning record in the league ONCE in the last four years.

0-13 with most losses coming in blowout fashion.

Yup. Spoiled, we are.
You missed his point. Read it again and note the various timeframes referred to. All teams have bad stretches. It doesn't necessarily mean the coach is senile, forgot how to coach, is not in touch with the times, etc. If we fired Frank we might get a Bill Callahan. Nebraska has never gotten back to where they were under Frank. Get a little perspective. This doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize and it doesn't mean we shouldn't desired a MACC, but it does mean we should have a little more understanding that a few mediocre years by our new raised standards is something that almost all football programs go through from time-to-time even with the best of coaches.
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Uncle Wes: If Frank listened to Vick, more power to him. It takes a smart coach and one without an ego problem to listen to a player and adapt a game plan accordingly. I suspect that in reality Frank was being a little modest in his statement and Vick was bragging just a little. He is one smart cookie, though. The last I heard he was a 4.0 student in a tough major. Also, when Frank coached at Nebraska there were scholarship limits and he did make it to the National Championship game.
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I'm sorry...but comparing what when on at Nebraska and what is going on at Ohio is apples and oranges.

Nebraska fans were out of their minds when they complained about 9-3 and not playing for a national title every year.

I don't think that's the case here. We've totally flatlined as a program and are no longer competitive with the top half of the league. Is it lack of talent, bad game-planning?

Either one, it comes back to coaching (who is responsible for recruiting). Whether that's all on Frank or not, the fact that little to nothing has changed in last 4-5 years is disturbing.

That's not a blip. That's a trend. A downward slide that has no signs of ending.

Husker fans were irrational. I think the majority that question things here are rational. This program is in decline and I think changes in the staff would be beneficial. Whether that means Frank is out, I don't know. But the status quo these last five years is growing tiresome.
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Uncle Wes--very good point (and should be obvious) that running backs can play right away because that's mostly a 'just go out and do it' to be effective position.

Of course, it's why not using Irons is S t u p i d.


OCF --What the hell is wrong with you. We have six victories this year. Of those, we'd almost have to make an effort to choke it to end up losing to Idaho, SELA, 'kron and redhawk. That's typical of our schedule in the MAC. Those teams pretty much stink. Remove them and tell me our record, especially for the past four years.

If you don't see the that the last 3.5 seasons are very mediocre and Solich is extremely rigid and conservative, well, hey, good luck thinking one of your extreme right wing candidates really has a chance of getting elected POTUS.

Tell me how Solich would have fared with the same type of record/performance as we've seen over the last 40 games if he was coaching at OSU or Texas or Florida. The latitude given to Solich and his staff is absurdly liberal.

How bad does it have to get before you'll see it? Really, what would it take?
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Husker fans were irrational. I think the majority that question things here are rational. This program is in decline and I think changes in the staff would be beneficial. Whether that means Frank is out, I don't know. But the status quo these last five years is growing tiresome.
The staff isn't the problem. Recruiting here is as good as its ever been (not saying that much). Plenty of good position coaches on the staff. It's Solich who is the executive decision maker that's making decisions like not playing Irons because he doesn't have as much experience as AJ. AJ was a walkon fresh last year that only earned time out of desperation. Now Frank is treating him like he's a 5th year senior captain. Daz is too small to be an every down back. Frank has been coaching for 50 years and can't see the obvious. I get that fans like Frank. They see him as their pal. Coaches probably like working for him. He can win the MAC next year and I wouldn't give him an extension. Ohio is averaging 24.4 ppg on offense. That is 86th in the country. BGSU is averaging 45.4 ppg for 4th in the country. WMU is 35.2 ppg for 26th. The offense Ohio runs isn't in the ballpark from a production standpoint of where it needs to be.
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I figured this would happen. Many others predicted it; few believed it. But here it is, right in front of y'all. A bunch of spoiled brats where anything less than GREAT just isn't good enough for you.

Let me take you back in time to 1962 when an unknown Bob Devany came to Lincoln from Wyoming and coached Nebraska to a 9-2 record, following decades of mediocre football. And for the next 10 years it was more of the same and the fans were riding high. Then came disaster: back-to-back seasons of 6-4 football ('67 and '68)... and the fans and the deep-pocketed alumni wanted Bob Devany's head on a platter: "This is a disgrace!" But the administration stayed with him, and 3 years later Devany coached the Huskers to back-to-back MNC's.

After one more year (trying for his 3rd MNC) he turned to Tom Osborne to be his successor. Ten years later, number one-ranked NU lost in the Orange Bowl and the fans and the alumni wanted his head on a platter: "Osborne simply can't win "the big one" and we need to find a coach who can!" And the chant continued for another 11 years until Osborne won the first of his 3 MNC's (just missing out on 4 in a row).

Do I have to remind you of the Solich story? You should all have that memorized by now. After a 9-3 season that included yet another bowl win, an A.D. who had a hard-on for Solich single-handedly brought the Husker football program to its knees, and it has yet to recover.

This is what happens when fans and alumni ... and administrations - forget to appreciate what they have.

But to many of you here on this board, it's simply not enough, is it?

You should take a long hard look at yourselves and where the program is today compared to where it was when Frank arrived.

You should all be very ashamed of yourselves. Spoiled brats.
+1000

Say it like it is, Old Man.
I'm sorry. I'm not asking for great. I'm just asking for competitive.

We have played within 10 points of a MAC team with a winning record in the league ONCE in the last four years.

0-13 with most losses coming in blowout fashion.

Yup. Spoiled, we are.
You missed his point. Read it again and note the various timeframes referred to. All teams have bad stretches. It doesn't necessarily mean the coach is senile, forgot how to coach, is not in touch with the times, etc. If we fired Frank we might get a Bill Callahan. Nebraska has never gotten back to where they were under Frank. Get a little perspective. This doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize and it doesn't mean we shouldn't desired a MACC, but it does mean we should have a little more understanding that a few mediocre years by our new raised standards is something that almost all football programs go through from time-to-time even with the best of coaches.
I must've missed his point too. I thought it was that anyone who thinks the program should be better than average are spoiled brats and should be ashamed of themselves.
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I figured this would happen. Many others predicted it; few believed it. But here it is, right in front of y'all. A bunch of spoiled brats where anything less than GREAT just isn't good enough for you.

Let me take you back in time to 1962 when an unknown Bob Devany came to Lincoln from Wyoming and coached Nebraska to a 9-2 record, following decades of mediocre football. And for the next 10 years it was more of the same and the fans were riding high. Then came disaster: back-to-back seasons of 6-4 football ('67 and '68)... and the fans and the deep-pocketed alumni wanted Bob Devany's head on a platter: "This is a disgrace!" But the administration stayed with him, and 3 years later Devany coached the Huskers to back-to-back MNC's.

After one more year (trying for his 3rd MNC) he turned to Tom Osborne to be his successor. Ten years later, number one-ranked NU lost in the Orange Bowl and the fans and the alumni wanted his head on a platter: "Osborne simply can't win "the big one" and we need to find a coach who can!" And the chant continued for another 11 years until Osborne won the first of his 3 MNC's (just missing out on 4 in a row).

Do I have to remind you of the Solich story? You should all have that memorized by now. After a 9-3 season that included yet another bowl win, an A.D. who had a hard-on for Solich single-handedly brought the Husker football program to its knees, and it has yet to recover.

This is what happens when fans and alumni ... and administrations - forget to appreciate what they have.

But to many of you here on this board, it's simply not enough, is it?

You should take a long hard look at yourselves and where the program is today compared to where it was when Frank arrived.

You should all be very ashamed of yourselves. Spoiled brats.
+1000

Say it like it is, Old Man.
I'm sorry. I'm not asking for great. I'm just asking for competitive.

We have played within 10 points of a MAC team with a winning record in the league ONCE in the last four years.

0-13 with most losses coming in blowout fashion.

Yup. Spoiled, we are.
You missed his point. Read it again and note the various timeframes referred to. All teams have bad stretches. It doesn't necessarily mean the coach is senile, forgot how to coach, is not in touch with the times, etc. If we fired Frank we might get a Bill Callahan. Nebraska has never gotten back to where they were under Frank. Get a little perspective. This doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize and it doesn't mean we shouldn't desired a MACC, but it does mean we should have a little more understanding that a few mediocre years by our new raised standards is something that almost all football programs go through from time-to-time even with the best of coaches.
I must've missed his point too. I thought it was that anyone who thinks the program should be better than average are spoiled brats and should be ashamed of themselves.
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.
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. . . hey, good luck thinking one of your extreme right wing candidates really has a chance of getting elected POTUS.
Better chance than Hillary who will probably be in jail before long. Thanks for injecting partisan politics into this debate. Your extreme left-wine politics are as inane as your football analysis.
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I know we were in the dungeons for a while, but the coaches are among the highest paid coaches in the MAC and we are not competitive against the top 5 MAC teams and we have not been competitive for the last four years and if we don't get a QB next year, we may lose to Akron and Kent State. We are on the decline, this is why we are speaking up. I know you want me to eat my mediocrity popcorn, but we are on the verge of being a bottom tier MAC team. The team Frank inherited from Osbourne was loaded and began to regress because Solich was not innovative on the offensive side of the ball. Nebraska thought their program was sinking, Frank to his credit studied and came to Ohio with a new approach, but his approach is now outdated again.
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...if we don't get a QB next year, we may lose to Akron and Kent State.
I don't know why, but I actually agree with this. I haven't seen much of anything from the backup QBs behind Vick to tell me next year looks promising. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
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I may have my head in the clouds....but I'm hopeful Conner Krizancic can come in and win the job. Seems very athletic and was good enough to play in the B1G out of high school. Comes from really good HS program at Mentor.

At this point, I'm just hopeful for anything other than JD Sprague.

Give Joey Duckworth the keys before him....

Or even Quinton Maxwell.
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And while we are busy being spoiled brats for wanting/expecting something other than mediocre at best, BG just 3-peated as the MAC East Champion having done so under 2 different Head Coaches.
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And while we are busy being spoiled brats for wanting/expecting something other than mediocre at best, BG just 3-peated as the MAC East Champion having done so under 2 different Head Coaches.
EASILY. They have a three game lead on everyone else in the division, which is absurd.
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From one old man to another...give me a break! I am not spoiled, I am not cranky, I am not a pessimist and I am not always negative.I am a very happy guy and I am also a realist. I know where Ohio has been and where it now is in the football pecking order. So, I DO NOT expect GREATNESS. But, seriously, with the guy we got to Athens 10 years ago and the earlier successes, I thought the corner had been turned. And, I am sure if you asked coach solich he would tell you he thought he'd win one MACC in ten years and say that is what he came here to do. As was said earlier, we are no longer the doormat (great), we have had some winning records (great) we have won some bowl games (great) but the biggest prize of all has alluded us while others around us have won it...the MACC!

Why not expect/want more than has been delivered so far? I won't apologize for that.
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. . . Why not expect/want more than has been delivered so far? I won't apologize for that.
No need to. That's reasonable. And, I think you express your feelings about this in a rational manner. Not everyone on here does that. I guess us old men need to stick together. ;-) Like you I'd like to see a MACC in my lifetime. I, for one, haven't given up hope. I think Frank is more likely to lead us to that Promised Land than any replacement we'd be likely to hire. That's opinion, and might be wrong, but I that's my assessment of the situation. It's during Frank reign that we've added the IPF (MPF) and will soon be adding the Academic Center. I think the Schaus-Solich team work well together in upgrading things. I don't know the exact involvement of Frank in those last two projects, but I suspect he's had significant input. I do know that he was the driving force for some of the Tower and locker room improvements.
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OCF, we do need to stick together! We have one thing many on this board do not have: knowing what it feels like to win a MACC! Let's just keep the mantra..."one more" going so the young folks on here to get to have that same feeling.

Stand Up and Cheer!
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Posted: 11/13/2015 2:47 PM
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Or even Quinton Maxwell.

Or even? I'm still very hopeful that this guy will be very, very good. He's big, he's fast, he's strong, he's got hustle, he's not afraid to run, and he has a powerful arm. Now, that doesn't mean he'll have the "it" factor to be the guy, but I'm still hopeful. There is a big jump from low level high school football to the FBS level, and I don't expect him to make the jump overnight, which is why I'm glad he got a redshirt this year. We'll just have to see how things shake out next year, but I'm thinking he'll be the starter in 2017-9.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 2:58 PM
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. . . Why not expect/want more than has been delivered so far? I won't apologize for that.
No need to. That's reasonable. And, I think you express your feelings about this in a rational manner. Not everyone on here does that. I guess us old men need to stick together. ;-) Like you I'd like to see a MACC in my lifetime. I, for one, haven't given up hope. I think Frank is more likely to lead us to that Promised Land than any replacement we'd be likely to hire. That's opinion, and might be wrong, but I that's my assessment of the situation. It's during Frank reign that we've added the IPF (MPF) and will soon be adding the Academic Center. I think the Schaus-Solich team work well together in upgrading things. I don't know the exact involvement of Frank in those last two projects, but I suspect he's had significant input. I do know that he was the driving force for some of the Tower and locker room improvements.
Gents,

I totally, 1000000000% agree what Frank has done for this program is irreplaceable. I will the first to sign a petition to name the field after him and put a statue in front of the stadium. He saved Ohio football. I truly believe that.

But for some on here to call me and others "spoiled brats" because we would like to see OUr team be competitive with the top half of the MAC and compete for a MACC each year is just absurd and wrong.

This isn't a witch hunt and it's not spitting on Frank or kicking him while he's down....it's just the cold, hard truth of being a coach in college football. He has taken this program as far as he can in my humble opinion. We've climbed the mountaintop three times only to come up short of that MACC....but the last one was five years ago and we haven't got off the ground in the MAC since. Beating the Kents, Akrons, Miamis, UMasses, EMUs and UBs of the world almost every year don't make up for getting drummed by the BGs, NIUs, UTs, WMUs, BSUs and CMUs the last 4+ years.

There is nothing in the last 4+ years that has led me to believe that we can climb that mountain again.

With every 62-24 loss to BG...the Falcons are separating themselves that much more from us and our hopes of winning the East. If we can't line up with BG and have a realistic chance to beat them, then we are just hoping for some lucky bounces to put us in position.

If we want to win a MACC and be the best team in the East division don't you think we should be able to compete with the best in the East?

I applaud your loyalty to Frank. But don't come on here and tell me I'm a spoiled brat because I see things differently. I'm sorry...but as much as I love and respect Frank, I think his time has come here. And if he doesn't go....there need to be changes.

The road we're on is not headed to Detroit anytime soon
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Posted: 11/13/2015 4:09 PM
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Newsflash! Maxwell averaged 100 yards per game passing last year. There is absolutely now way that he is better than Vick and our heads are in the clouds. Come on!
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. . . hey, good luck thinking one of your extreme right wing candidates really has a chance of getting elected POTUS.
Better chance than Hillary who will probably be in jail before long. Thanks for injecting partisan politics into this debate. Your extreme left-wine politics are as inane as your football analysis.

OCF--I'm not injecting politics per se. I'm trying to get you to a reasonable grasp of reality.

Don't most polls show Hillary as the favorite at this time?. Whether you or I like it or not. Get a grip on reasonable reality.

She's going to be in jail--Seriously? Ask others on this board, ask an array of people if they think that's so.

My friend, after 11 years with no MACC, Solich is never going to MACC. Coach is a very good person. But you are smarter than to be under the sad thought that he's going to bring us a MACC.

You really don't understand how far away we are from a MACC, do you?
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