I suppose since Frank played NIU competitive last year in Athens. That and a win against Ball State would get him to an even 80 wins.

The ESPNU announcers were woefully unprepared in their commentary last nite as it was obvious they did no pre-telecast research on BobcatAttack. They were embarrassingly unaware that the natives have moved from GOT Frank to NOT Frank!

They remarked gushingly about how successful Frank has been for OHIO and the stability that he has brought to the program. My goodness they even gave credit to Frank retaining Albin and Burrows and that that stability has probably been a huge factor in OHIO having multiple winning years, being bowl eligible and obtaining bowl wins multiple times, etc., etc....

Someone may want to clue next weeks broadcast duo that the real skinny on the state of the program comes from the greatest minds pontificating on "THE" Attack.

I agree - when Bowl Eligible = 7 wins, I'll talk about it meaning something. When it's a .500 season, it's not. Seven wins would also make smaller bowl games a little more compelling because of the caliber of teams in them. Of course, it's not happening, but in my pipe dream world, it should.

And before Frank we'd be consistently among the remaining 43. I get it that we are not an elite team, even in the MAC right now and that the number of bowls is absurd. But it is the system, they provide exposure, a couple extra weeks of practices and a recruiting tool. And since there are degrees of happy, I guess I'm happier to be among the chosen rather than among the ones that stay home.

Call me "laughably ignorant" or whatever. But a win over Kent State isn't going to make me stop in my tracks and say "WOW FRANK HAS THIS PROGRAM SOARING...WE ARE CERTAINLY ON THE RISE. EVERYTHING IS GREAT"

I'm sorry. But that was far from an impressive showing last night. We scored on a long TD pass because a defender fell down....scored after Kent ran the most absurd "trick play" I've seen since the Colts fake punt disaster and it backfired in their face....and we scored a TD vs. their back-up defense. (And went 2-4 in FGs missing two very makeable ones)

Yes...I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED the effort. It was great to see this team DID NOT throw the towel in on the season (as they have in the past)

But c'mon...you could not have watched that game and thought we looked good. It was hard to watch. Our offense was inept most of the night. Bad, bad play-calling on 3rd and short.....

I know they piled up a bunch of yards against a pretty good defense...but that was far from impressive.

I again....absolutely LOVE Frank what has done for this program....but I just don't get the sense watching Ohio play that they are an upper-level MAC team.....AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD ASPIRE TO BE!

We were four years ago....but since we have slowly dropped back to the middle-of-the-pack or lower level.....and there are no signs that it's going to change. This has been four straight years of not reaching expectations.....and it's been 10+ years in the Solich system.

Either we just accept mediocrity and say "We're going to be 7-5 (4-4) to 8-4 (5-3) every year with wins over Akron, Kent, Miami, EMU and maybe one other vs. a fill-in-the-black middle of the pack team in the MAC and blowout losses to BG and two of either NIU, Toledo, WMU, CMU....and two lackluster non-conference wins over an FCS and some baaaaad FBS school....and a 'we played them close' loss to a P5 school"......and we accept that.

Or we ask for something more. A roll of the dice...a change that might bring us closer to being an upper level team in the MAC

Sorry...but I'll strive for excellence over settling for mediocrity. I know this program has it in them to be great....and not just settle for average.

We're average these last four years. This isn't a blip on the radar....this is becoming a disturbing trend.

You can accept it....but don't mock me for wanting more

Agree, and agree. The more I watch, the more I actually have questions about schemes and play calling than I do the talent (or lack of that is sometimes discussed).




I agree - I can't see how it's "okay" to continue to see results like the prior three games and then say, but "oh well, we went 7-5 and made a bowl game" after beating Kent and hopefully BSU.

Based on everything I've either read from Frank, or heard in press interviews, that's not his goal either. Which is why I've got to hope that he and Schaus can work together after the season is over to come up with some things to change to take strides toward getting better. The first place I'd be looking for coming seasons is the quarterback position, both for a QB coach, and adding more talent at the position for competition. I just can't deal with the "we've got to execute better" stuff again and again. Maybe it's time to change what they're trying to execute instead.

I think that Frank agrees with you. I've notice that since the end of the BG game Frank hasn't used the mantra of better execution in any public statement that I've seen or heard. He seems now to be emphasizing the need to "play better football" and to "become a good football team." This, I think, is coachspeak for, "Boy, we've played horrible football in the last few games, and something major needs to be changed." I'm not enough of an Xs and Os guy to tell what it was, but the offensive line play last night appeared to me to be much better against a defensive line that was higher ranked in most statistical categories than any we've faced in the last three weeks. They were opening up bigger holes on running plays. Perhaps someone can tell me if they were using different blocking schemes or were just playing with more desire.

What????? Since when has 9-4 been not good enough for Ohio football? These exspectations are ridiculous.

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Are you suggesting that what the Pats system is successful because it's the Pats system, or does it have anything to do with one of the best QB's to ever play the game? Horrid comparison!

I get so tired of this "we only beat bad teams, so we're not good" stuff. That is the definition of a good team. They beat bad teams. Occasionally, you also beat a good team. You consider yourself lucky when that happens. If you look at other teams' schedules you'll see the same thing.

Take the NFL: NE, Denver, and Cincy have combined for 23 wins this year. Of those wins, 18 have been against teams with records of .500 or worse. Only five of those wins have been against winning teams. Winning teams don't lose, by definition. So of course MOST of your wins are going to come against teams with losing records.

Thank you Mr. Obvious.

Of course, you are going to get a lot of wins vs. bad teams.

But to have ZERO win vs. good teams (in the MAC) the last four years is "not good"

Sorry. We don't even have a "consider yourself lucky" moment in this league the last four years.

If we had just a couple, I don't think a lot of these discussions would be happening.

A couple "consider yourself lucky" moments might mean 1 or 2 MAC titles or a couple more trips to Detroit to play for a MAC title in the Solich era.

Bottom line is....we don't have those moments....and have had none of them in the MAC the last four years.

That's not something I'm going to just say "Oh well, we're Ohio...so that's totally okay"

We should be better than that....so pardon me for setting my expectations a little higher.