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rpbobcat
12/9/2015 7:16 AM
TheBobcatBandit wrote:expand_more
16 team playoff
10 automatic bids to conference champions (MAC, C-USA, etc. included too)
6 at-larges

Play as many rounds as the big boys want at the higher seeds' home stadiums.

Somewhere in late October, my enthusiasm for college football snuffs out. I don't make it a point to watch any games not featuring Ohio because Ohio is not connected to the bigger picture. It's not like basketball where your November non-con game against Tennessee State, even in a 20 degrees of Kevin Bacon sort of way, is still connected to the national championship.

Make a 16-game playoff, and my personal college football viewership will skyrocket.
+1 I have always thought 16 would be the right amount for the playoffs. 4 is way too few. 8 wouldn't be bad but I would rather have 16, any more than that is too many,
Last year there was a lot of discussion about going to an 8 team playoff.
One B1G stumbling block was that the the P5 conferences wanted their conference champions to be guaranteed a playoff spot,regardless of rankings.

Unless you start the playoffs before 1/1,an 8 team format pretty much eliminates the "major" bowls having any signifigance,realative to the National Championship.

16 teams means trying to fit in 4 additional games.
Assume colleges keep the same schedules and conference championships.
The playoff teams would be named the beginning of Decemeber.
You're looking at playing well into January and trying to compete with the NFL playoffs.
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SWBC
12/9/2015 7:50 AM
Regarding an 8 team playoff, two problems could be solved by taking four of the pre-christmas bowls and making them playoff bowls.

1. Get all the P5 conference champs in plus maybe two of the G5 champs plus an at large.

2. reduce the total bowl count available to all D-IA teams by four.

The problem with doing this is the cost of the teams/fans/students/parents going to three bowls.

Last year, tOSU subsidized parents going to the championship game. With a cinderella G5 team, I would think this would be tough to do.
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ou79
12/9/2015 8:26 AM
Uh, D-III, D-II and FCS/D-IAA have been doing the playoff format for the last couple decades with the first round starting at I think 16 teams. Only in FBS/D-IA does the 16 team format somehow all of a sudden become a "problem". As the old saying goes "Bull$$$$ walks and money talks..."
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bshot44
12/9/2015 9:00 AM
ou79 wrote:expand_more
Uh, D-III, D-II and FCS/D-IAA have been doing the playoff format for the last couple decades with the first round starting at I think 16 teams. Only in FBS/D-IA does the 16 team format somehow all of a sudden become a "problem". As the old saying goes "Bull$$$$ walks and money talks..."
FCS is up to a 24-team playoff
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
12/9/2015 9:20 AM
I love the low-stakes of the bowl season. Because the games occur so far after the regular season, it's completely unpredictable. There are interim coaches, trick plays cooked up as coaches have too much time on their hands and weird time slots. Coaches get weirdly and properly aggressive during bowl season.

I love this. It's more of what I want out of college football than the regular season.

I watch the NFL for proficiency (once the Browns game is over at 4 p.m.). I watch college for how goofy and fun and weird it is. Bowl season is extra weird. I watch teams play that I would never watch otherwise just because it's a bowl and something stupid could happen.

Also, I'm 50 percent more likely to be intoxicated during the holidays, so I'm more easily amused.

"A Fun Belt team vs. MACtion AND I have Christmas Ale? Heehee!"
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Only one OHIO
12/9/2015 10:17 AM
I love college football so I don't mind all the extra bowls. I do wish more pitted the P5 against the G5, but at least there are plenty of chances for us to get in a bowl now.

As far as the playoff, i think going to 16 would greatly diminish the regular season. That's what makes CFB so good. I would be happy with going to 8, provided at least one G5 team is included.
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Bobcatbob
12/9/2015 10:49 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Uh, D-III, D-II and FCS/D-IAA have been doing the playoff format for the last couple decades with the first round starting at I think 16 teams. Only in FBS/D-IA does the 16 team format somehow all of a sudden become a "problem". As the old saying goes "Bull$$$$ walks and money talks..."
FCS is up to a 24-team playoff
and all those games are played on one home field or another. Guaranteed attraction for at least one side of the stands and no travel.
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rpbobcat
12/9/2015 10:51 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Uh, D-III, D-II and FCS/D-IAA have been doing the playoff format for the last couple decades with the first round starting at I think 16 teams. Only in FBS/D-IA does the 16 team format somehow all of a sudden become a "problem". As the old saying goes "Bull$$$$ walks and money talks..."
FCS is up to a 24-team playoff
I presume, with 24 teams,there are some type of first round byes.

If I recall correctly,FCS teams don't play as many regular season games as FBS.

I also don't think there are any conference championship games.

So, even though they may have additional playoff games,there may not be more total games then an FBS team in the playoffs.

I also think they don't use neutral sites for their playoff games.
Last Edited: 12/9/2015 10:53:11 AM by rpbobcat
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OU_Country
12/9/2015 12:04 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
16 team playoff
10 automatic bids to conference champions (MAC, C-USA, etc. included too)
6 at-larges

Play as many rounds as the big boys want at the higher seeds' home stadiums.

Somewhere in late October, my enthusiasm for college football snuffs out. I don't make it a point to watch any games not featuring Ohio because Ohio is not connected to the bigger picture. It's not like basketball where your November non-con game against Tennessee State, even in a 20 degrees of Kevin Bacon sort of way, is still connected to the national championship.

Make a 16-game playoff, and my personal college football viewership will skyrocket.

I love this idea. But....NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN. The P5 doesn't want to share the pie.

I've proposed an 8 team, where by every P5 conference winner gets an auto bid, and then every team with 10 regular season D1 wins gets thrown into a pot, with the 3 concrete evaluators being road wins, non-conference wins/SOS, wins vs winning teams. Eliminate teams based on that, and pick 3 at large teams. Any undefeated teams from other 5 conferences get an auto bid as well. Simple. Straight forward.

I'm not against the 16 team idea, and frankly, I love it. Just don't think it's likely for ages.

I'm opposed to the bowl system as it is, only because I think 7 wins should be required for bowl eligibility. Rewarding 6-6 doesn't make sense. Having a season like this one, with 40 or 41 bowl games, now gives us the joy of 5-7 teams getting in. Let's just have everyone get a bowl game.

If you like watching the competition, this is absurd. Everyone knows its all TV money driven. Does anyone honestly watch all these goofy games besides fans and alumni of the specific teams? Are you going to watch the Bahamas Bowl, or the Cure Bowl? Speaking only for myself, I will watch OU play. I will watch UC play and I'll watch the playoffs, and maybe a little of Ohio State or another New Year's Day bowl game. The rest of the games won't likely see my TV. And that's a shame, because there are good games in there. But there's just too many, too much. Get rid of 7-10 of these games. Reward teams that win with a bowl game the way it used to be.
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OU_Country
12/9/2015 12:06 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Uh, D-III, D-II and FCS/D-IAA have been doing the playoff format for the last couple decades with the first round starting at I think 16 teams. Only in FBS/D-IA does the 16 team format somehow all of a sudden become a "problem". As the old saying goes "Bull$$$$ walks and money talks..."
FCS is up to a 24-team playoff

But the kids are missing too much school! The injuries!!! (says no one)
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Mark Lembright '85
12/9/2015 12:23 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Speaking only for myself, I will watch OU play. I will watch UC play and I'll watch the playoffs, and maybe a little of Ohio State or another New Year's Day bowl game. The rest of the games won't likely see my TV. And that's a shame, because there are good games in there. But there's just too many, too much. Get rid of 7-10 of these games. Reward teams that win with a bowl game the way it used to be.
I....NEVER......EVER.....MISS......THE ROSE BOWL!!

For me, the Rose Bowl is must-see TV! Always has been. I just love the pageantry, the setting, the importance of the game, etc. I've been a huge college football fan ever since I was a kid and the Rose Bowl always seemed like a classic, especially when it was only the PAC vs. Big 10. It didn't hurt that the game seemed like it was being played in a warm climate while I was at home in the great winter tundra known as NE Ohio. In fact the game and its parade are on my bucket list-I would have loved to have been at the parade a couple of years ago when the Marching 110 were there.
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GoCats105
12/9/2015 1:00 PM
There was a funny little side effect of the BCS and the current Playoff system: it inherently created a quasi-Playoff during the regular season. At the Power 5 level, there is no more exciting regular season in sports in my opinion. Every weekend is a playoff elimination weekend when you think about it.

They're kind of playing a 62-team playoff from the time the season kicks off to the time it ends with the conference championships. Once the Big 12 goes to 12 teams again, it will be a 64-team playoff. That's a nice round number isn't it? Sound familiar?

That being said, us bottom feeders are still scraping the bottom of the barrel for any leftovers.
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Pataskala
12/9/2015 1:08 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Speaking only for myself, I will watch OU play. I will watch UC play and I'll watch the playoffs, and maybe a little of Ohio State or another New Year's Day bowl game. The rest of the games won't likely see my TV. And that's a shame, because there are good games in there. But there's just too many, too much. Get rid of 7-10 of these games. Reward teams that win with a bowl game the way it used to be.
I....NEVER......EVER.....MISS......THE ROSE BOWL!!

For me, the Rose Bowl is must-see TV! Always has been. I just love the pageantry, the setting, the importance of the game, etc. I've been a huge college football fan ever since I was a kid and the Rose Bowl always seemed like a classic, especially when it was only the PAC vs. Big 10. It didn't hurt that the game seemed like it was being played in a warm climate while I was at home in the great winter tundra known as NE Ohio. In fact the game and its parade are on my bucket list-I would have loved to have been at the parade a couple of years ago when the Marching 110 were there.
Funny thing is, I don't watch the Rose Bowl...and I don't miss it. I guess what made the New Year's bowls special for me when I was growing up is that they were mostly on different networks, so you got a real variety of announcers. NBC had Curt Gowdy doing the Rose Bowl and Jim Simpson at the Orange Bowl; Lindsey Nelson did the Cotton Bowl for CBS; Keith Jackson did the Sugar Bowl for ABC (which sometimes was on New Year's Eve). Now we get the same stale lineup of blithering ESPN announcers that we get all season long. I think lately Mussberger has done the Rose Bowl. Godawful. And the teams/games are always over-hyped. Don't need it.
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Only one OHIO
12/9/2015 1:41 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Funny thing is, I don't watch the Rose Bowl...and I don't miss it. I guess what made the New Year's bowls special for me when I was growing up is that they were mostly on different networks, so you got a real variety of announcers. NBC had Curt Gowdy doing the Rose Bowl and Jim Simpson at the Orange Bowl; Lindsey Nelson did the Cotton Bowl for CBS; Keith Jackson did the Sugar Bowl for ABC (which sometimes was on New Year's Eve). Now we get the same stale lineup of blithering ESPN announcers that we get all season long. I think lately Mussberger has done the Rose Bowl. Godawful. And the teams/games are always over-hyped. Don't need it.
Good point about the announcers and different networks. I think the announcers were a lot better back then. I can still remember bringing down the 13" TV and putting in on top of the console one so we could watch 2 games at once. However, I still like laying on the couch with a Christmas Ale now watching the sun set in Pasadena while it's cold and dark outside in Ohio.
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bshot44
12/9/2015 2:12 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Uh, D-III, D-II and FCS/D-IAA have been doing the playoff format for the last couple decades with the first round starting at I think 16 teams. Only in FBS/D-IA does the 16 team format somehow all of a sudden become a "problem". As the old saying goes "Bull$$$$ walks and money talks..."
FCS is up to a 24-team playoff
I presume, with 24 teams,there are some type of first round byes.

If I recall correctly,FCS teams don't play as many regular season games as FBS.

I also don't think there are any conference championship games.

So, even though they may have additional playoff games,there may not be more total games then an FBS team in the playoffs.

I also think they don't use neutral sites for their playoff games.
Top 8 teams get a bye. All games are played at home sites until the championship game which is played on a neutral field
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OhioStunter
12/9/2015 2:18 PM
An 8-team playoff based on the final rankings would've been interesting this year for a couple of reasons:

-3 Big Ten teams would be in, which would drive the other conferences crazy
-If OSU or MSU won the title, they might have to beat two conference teams to do so, also driving other conferences crazy
-There could be a potential OSU-OU national championship
-A rematch of last year's semi-final game would happen again in the first round
-There could be a potential ND-MSU match-up, sending Michiana into a frenzy
-Notre Dame could have a chance for the ultimate revenge with match-ups vs. their only losses (Clemson and Stanford)

Left Bracket
1-Clemson
8-Notre Dame

4-Oklahoma
5-Iowa


Right Bracket
2-Alabama
7-OSU

3-Michigan State
6-Stanford
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GoCats105
12/9/2015 3:25 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
An 8-team playoff based on the final rankings would've been interesting this year for a couple of reasons:

-3 Big Ten teams would be in, which would drive the other conferences crazy
-If OSU or MSU won the title, they might have to beat two conference teams to do so, also driving other conferences crazy
-There could be a potential OSU-OU national championship
-A rematch of last year's semi-final game would happen again in the first round
-There could be a potential ND-MSU match-up, sending Michiana into a frenzy
-Notre Dame could have a chance for the ultimate revenge with match-ups vs. their only losses (Clemson and Stanford)

Left Bracket
1-Clemson
8-Notre Dame

4-Oklahoma
5-Iowa


Right Bracket
2-Alabama
7-OSU

3-Michigan State
6-Stanford
If they did this, they would find a way to get out of the 3 teams by doing the BCS model of only allowing two teams in per conference. I don't ever see why this is a problem. The best teams should be in, period.
Last Edited: 12/9/2015 3:25:38 PM by GoCats105
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OU_Country
12/9/2015 3:34 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
An 8-team playoff based on the final rankings would've been interesting this year for a couple of reasons:

-3 Big Ten teams would be in, which would drive the other conferences crazy
-If OSU or MSU won the title, they might have to beat two conference teams to do so, also driving other conferences crazy
-There could be a potential OSU-OU national championship
-A rematch of last year's semi-final game would happen again in the first round
-There could be a potential ND-MSU match-up, sending Michiana into a frenzy
-Notre Dame could have a chance for the ultimate revenge with match-ups vs. their only losses (Clemson and Stanford)

Left Bracket
1-Clemson
8-Notre Dame

4-Oklahoma
5-Iowa


Right Bracket
2-Alabama
7-OSU

3-Michigan State
6-Stanford
If they did this, they would find a way to get out of the 3 teams by doing the BCS model of only allowing two teams in per conference. I don't ever see why this is a problem. The best teams should be in, period.

Defining those best teams in a real, quantifiable way is the challenge. The "Eye test" is something I'm truly tired of hearing about. My disdain for the current system is the way in which the four teams are decided, and the month and a half media circus that comes with it.
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GoCats105
12/9/2015 3:45 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
An 8-team playoff based on the final rankings would've been interesting this year for a couple of reasons:

-3 Big Ten teams would be in, which would drive the other conferences crazy
-If OSU or MSU won the title, they might have to beat two conference teams to do so, also driving other conferences crazy
-There could be a potential OSU-OU national championship
-A rematch of last year's semi-final game would happen again in the first round
-There could be a potential ND-MSU match-up, sending Michiana into a frenzy
-Notre Dame could have a chance for the ultimate revenge with match-ups vs. their only losses (Clemson and Stanford)

Left Bracket
1-Clemson
8-Notre Dame

4-Oklahoma
5-Iowa


Right Bracket
2-Alabama
7-OSU

3-Michigan State
6-Stanford
If they did this, they would find a way to get out of the 3 teams by doing the BCS model of only allowing two teams in per conference. I don't ever see why this is a problem. The best teams should be in, period.

Defining those best teams in a real, quantifiable way is the challenge. The "Eye test" is something I'm truly tired of hearing about. My disdain for the current system is the way in which the four teams are decided, and the month and a half media circus that comes with it.
I don't disagree. That Playoff Selection show was insufferable on Sunday. They didn't even talk about the other bowls until about 3 hours into it.
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OhioCatFan
12/9/2015 4:12 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Defining those best teams in a real, quantifiable way is the challenge. The "Eye test" is something I'm truly tired of hearing about. My disdain for the current system is the way in which the four teams are decided, and the month and a half media circus that comes with it.
+1
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Jeff McKinney
12/9/2015 6:07 PM
I favor the 16 team playoff with five or six at large teams. Conference championship games would be eliminated.
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OhioStunter
12/10/2015 12:51 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
An 8-team playoff based on the final rankings would've been interesting this year for a couple of reasons:

-3 Big Ten teams would be in, which would drive the other conferences crazy
-If OSU or MSU won the title, they might have to beat two conference teams to do so, also driving other conferences crazy
-There could be a potential OSU-OU national championship
-A rematch of last year's semi-final game would happen again in the first round
-There could be a potential ND-MSU match-up, sending Michiana into a frenzy
-Notre Dame could have a chance for the ultimate revenge with match-ups vs. their only losses (Clemson and Stanford)

Left Bracket
1-Clemson
8-Notre Dame

4-Oklahoma
5-Iowa


Right Bracket
2-Alabama
7-OSU

3-Michigan State
6-Stanford
If they did this, they would find a way to get out of the 3 teams by doing the BCS model of only allowing two teams in per conference. I don't ever see why this is a problem. The best teams should be in, period.

Defining those best teams in a real, quantifiable way is the challenge. The "Eye test" is something I'm truly tired of hearing about. My disdain for the current system is the way in which the four teams are decided, and the month and a half media circus that comes with it.

Would you suggest going back to the old BCS computer models? Not sarcasm. Honest question.
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rpbobcat
12/10/2015 6:56 AM
There's an article in today's The Record about reworking the bowl system.

According to the article, things that have been suggested include:

1.Requiring a record of 7-5 to be bowl elibable.
(SEC has an issue with this)

2.Not allowing any team with a losing record to play in a bowl.

Another issue is that, in one bowl,2 teams from the same conference (Mountain West) will be playing each other.

From what the article says,depending on rule changes, some bowls would have to go "dark".

Question is,city's work on Bowl Game prep. for months.
How do you tell them a couple of weeks out,sorry,no game.
Plus,who decides what bowls get cut ?

Article also says that more bowls are on the horizon.
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Only one OHIO
12/10/2015 9:45 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record about reworking the bowl system.

According to the article, things that have been suggested include:

1.Requiring a record of 7-5 to be bowl elibable.
(SEC has an issue with this)

2.Not allowing any team with a losing record to play in a bowl.

Another issue is that, in one bowl,2 teams from the same conference (Mountain West) will be playing each other.

From what the article says,depending on rule changes, some bowls would have to go "dark".

Question is,city's work on Bowl Game prep. for months.
How do you tell them a couple of weeks out,sorry,no game.
Plus,who decides what bowls get cut ?

Article also says that more bowls are on the horizon.

Start with cities with multiple bowl games. I think there are 3 different bowls in Orlando this year.
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Bobcatbob
12/10/2015 10:11 AM
At first, I really didn't get all the gnashing of teeth surrounding the MWC opponents in a single bowl. I mean, so what?; it's an exhibition and a vacation.

Then today I read that the likely cause of the match-up as it is was the BIG having the right of first refusal on some bowls and picking off places the MWC teams might have gone otherwise. In that sense, then, it's more of the P5 "me first" BS that drives everything and I am now firmly in the MWC court on this.
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